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Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:00 PM Nov 2014

Fucking lying Prosecutor just said that all black witnesses testified that they saw Brown charge!

Wlson!

HE'S A FUCKING LIAR!! HE JUST SAID THAT BLACK WITNESSES TESTIFIED THAT THEY SAW MIKE BROWN CHARGE WILSON!!

When that reporter asked him what evidence he has, he says "he doesn't know". What a fucking liar!!!

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Fucking lying Prosecutor just said that all black witnesses testified that they saw Brown charge! (Original Post) Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 OP
He did not say that all black witnesses testified they saw Brown charge SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #1
+1 nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #3
I may have typed it wrong, but that doesn't negate his contradiction. He's speaking of the Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #4
You don't have to agree with the decision SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #7
Now you add "deemed as credible"...how convenient.... pkdu Nov 2014 #15
To say he didn't get a vote or the decision was not his is either dishonest or GoneFishin Nov 2014 #18
The fact that you typed it wrong AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #10
You're a piece of work. kwassa Nov 2014 #16
Thank you AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #27
Enjoy your timeout U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #50
lying about it doesn't help the cause hugo_from_TN Nov 2014 #33
It's what the grand jury found credible, not what he found credible. Yo_Mama Nov 2014 #61
well then, they can't be trusted. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #5
Apparently the grand jury disagrees with you SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #9
I see all the racists have are here to cheerlead. Good-bye. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #13
Got it SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #14
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #19
Isn't Ferguson somewhere around 70 percent black? jmowreader Nov 2014 #55
the prosecutor sounded more like darren wilson's defense atty......wtf? spanone Nov 2014 #2
That's because Hayabusa Nov 2014 #6
+1000 noiretextatique Nov 2014 #12
Yep, he was Bettie Nov 2014 #60
+100000. He makes Angela Corey look good ecstatic Nov 2014 #11
+1 gollygee Nov 2014 #24
Blood evidence. simak Nov 2014 #8
A matter for the jury to consider aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #32
Perhaps. simak Nov 2014 #58
What matters is truth and justice aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #64
Do all fatal police shootings have to go to a hearing or a grand jury? simak Nov 2014 #71
Three different medical examiners testified TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #67
Do you have any proof he was lying? Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #17
There was contradictory statements throughout. I'm not listening to ANY racists in my thread Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #20
I am with you Robbins Nov 2014 #22
As well. I can imagine what Disgustingest is like now. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #25
So is disagreement with you AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #28
The sad thing is Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #57
I feel sorry for you Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #56
Everybody who disagrees with you is a racist? Seriously? Lurks Often Nov 2014 #63
He was definitely lying by omission n/t Nevernose Nov 2014 #23
It was pretty shameless. ucrdem Nov 2014 #21
Vote in a new prosecutor and go after Officer Wilson all over again aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #26
And the forensics evidence AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #29
Do we even know what it indicates? aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #30
Initial analysis AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #31
Since none of the evidence considered by the grand jury has reached the light of day aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #35
I want to know how closely the testimony of the examiner for the FBI TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #68
You are WRONG. He said that most witnesses saw Brown charge. NO race was implied. I watched it. Beausoir Nov 2014 #34
Racists get out of this thread!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #36
Your hysteria does not help. Beausoir Nov 2014 #38
So to be clear... Oktober Nov 2014 #49
McCulloch: All the witnesses who said Brown was advancing on Darren Wilson were black. Cha Nov 2014 #37
Thank you, Cha! I know what I heard!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #39
I agree with you Robbins Nov 2014 #41
I know. I do know this and I appreciate it. I really do. Thank you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #65
The time stamp on your copy and paste disproves your claim. 4:46PM? That's hours before Beausoir Nov 2014 #42
I'm not "making shit up".. So fucking chill. Matt Pierce is in LA. Cha Nov 2014 #44
That is STILL wrong. Jesus. You don't even have the time correct. Beausoir Nov 2014 #45
Like I said.. Chill. Cha Nov 2014 #46
Oh...cool. Beausoir Nov 2014 #48
Or better yet - put enormous political pressure on Gov. Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to go aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #40
The Brown family will go after Civil Damages. They will go after $$$$$$$$$$$ Beausoir Nov 2014 #43
All or some? Oktober Nov 2014 #47
Stop being a smart ass. The only witness' testimony that were accepted were the ones that confirmed Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #53
I ask only because I watched it as well... Oktober Nov 2014 #54
And again, only those witnesses who corroborated Wilson's account were accepted as credible Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #66
Skimming the transcript, that seems to be what most of the witnesses said Recursion Nov 2014 #51
It's true, some witnesses saw Brown charge Wilson Lil Missy Nov 2014 #52
Charged him like a football player was one quote. maced666 Nov 2014 #59
Holder left town? No he most certainly has not. Holder has been back to Ferguson many times. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #70
But the one with Brown clearly saw. MaeScott Nov 2014 #62
I'm sure there will start to be more reports of this asshole's many LIES!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #69

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
1. He did not say that all black witnesses testified they saw Brown charge
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:01 PM
Nov 2014

He said that all the witnesses that testified they saw Brown charge were black.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
4. I may have typed it wrong, but that doesn't negate his contradiction. He's speaking of the
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:03 PM
Nov 2014

*credible* witnesses. The only witnesses that he deemed credible were the ones that corroborated Wilson's side of the story.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
7. You don't have to agree with the decision
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:07 PM
Nov 2014

but you should at least be honest about what he said.

He said that the witnesses deemed as credible were the ones who's stories stayed consistent and that matched the physical evidence.

Not to mention the fact that he didn't get a vote in this - if he presented all of the evidence, it doesn't matter whether he found the witnesses credible or not; to indict or no indict was not his decision.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
18. To say he didn't get a vote or the decision was not his is either dishonest or
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:34 PM
Nov 2014

ill informed.

If he chose to sabotage the process he would have no problem doing so.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
61. It's what the grand jury found credible, not what he found credible.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:19 AM
Nov 2014

And witnesses who changed their story after first testifying to events that were disproved by the forensic evidence are NOT credible, nor are witnesses who persist on telling of events that are disproved by the forensics.

This was a chaotic event and the end happened quite quickly. It is not surprising that eyewitness accounts would vary - many may not even have intended to lie. But the grand jury's job is to collect and sift the evidence, and a confused witness will have his/her story discounted.

The bottom line is that this cop wasn't indicted because there isn't probable cause.

I can't believe this guy was lying about the witness statements, because the Feds have everything, and they will not permit a distortion here. And the federal investigation is ongoing.

Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #14)

Bettie

(15,893 posts)
60. Yep, he was
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:09 AM
Nov 2014

there was never any intent to try to secure an indictment, it was a dog and pony show.

 

simak

(116 posts)
8. Blood evidence.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:07 PM
Nov 2014

Apparently some of Brown's blood was found around 25 feet further from the Tahoe than his body. This has been interpreted as evidence Brown had turned around and headed back toward the cop.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
32. A matter for the jury to consider
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:25 PM
Nov 2014

with competing forensics experts and the opportunity to cross examine them. Right now, all we have is the police version, which places them in a conflict of interest between serving the public good and protecting one of their own. Without cross examination, the findings of the police lab are suspect.

 

simak

(116 posts)
58. Perhaps.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:01 AM
Nov 2014

However, I would not bring a murder charge against every policeman who shoots someone in the line of duty.

Beyond that, you would have to consider criteria for deciding which cases should result in a charge. I like to think that the racial makeup of the parties to the shooting would not be one of those criteria.

It sounds like a great deal of eyewitness testimony did not support an indictment once witnesses were provided with anonymity and protection. Shouldn't we be thinking witnesses are more reliable under those circumstances?

Also, a jury trial that results in an acquittal would still leave many people unsatisfied with the verdict. So for those individuals, trying Wilson and finding him not guilty would not be an improvement over this.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
64. What matters is truth and justice
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:16 AM
Nov 2014

If the jury trial results in an aquittal, let the chips fall where they may. I'm not ready to claim that Wilson is a murderer. But as a retired California attorney of many years, I know how corrupt many prosecutors are. They are political animals with agendas beyond truth and justice.I find this McCullouch character very disturbing, especially because he went so far out of his way to present exculpatory evidence favorable to Wilson. That's simply not done. The prosecutor presents only his side of the case in seeking an indictment. Wilson should not have testified at all. After all, a grand jury proceeding is not a trial. As far as whether or not the eyewitness testimony supported an indictment, I'm not taking McCulloch's word for it by any means. The 4,000+ page transcript may shed more light. So far I don't know anything about the testifying witnesses, whether they were biased, had criminal records or other credibility issues, were in fact percipient, and why a prosecutor whose only job at the grand jury stage is to obtain an indictment would even call witnesses favorable to Wilson who he does not intend to cross examine. Witnesses not subject to cross examination and who have no fear of cross examination are not more reliable than those who have to state their observations in a court room in the light of day. Preliminary hearings before a judge to determine probable cause are much preferable to the Grand Jury process which has been met with a great deal of dismay among the legal community.

 

simak

(116 posts)
71. Do all fatal police shootings have to go to a hearing or a grand jury?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:46 PM
Nov 2014

Aside from a judge or grand jury, what other procedures exist that could decline to advance the case for prosecution? If this was an open and shut, no-brainer justified shooting, what is the minimum procedure that must occur before the case can be closed?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
67. Three different medical examiners testified
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:11 PM
Nov 2014

including the examiner for the FBI.

What is interesting about a grand jury is that they get to ask their own questions; they don't have to rely on the prosecutor to think for them.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. There was contradictory statements throughout. I'm not listening to ANY racists in my thread
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:34 PM
Nov 2014

tonight. I'm putting all racists on IGNORE. Good-bye!!

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
22. I am with you
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:07 PM
Nov 2014

This has been disgrace.

And it's getting tiring for politicans to not critize police but tell public to be calm.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
28. So is disagreement with you
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:14 PM
Nov 2014

enough to be labelled a racist? Because if you limit yourself like that, you will have troubles

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
57. The sad thing is
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:10 AM
Nov 2014

Just one look at my family portrait and you would have a hard time calling me a racist. I don't get mad at people like this, I feel sorry for them.

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
56. I feel sorry for you
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:08 AM
Nov 2014

You don't belong here, to call everyone a racist that does not follow your narrative of events for an incident you were not at is foolish. To call everyone a racist that does not agree with you deminishes the word racist.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
63. Everybody who disagrees with you is a racist? Seriously?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:34 AM
Nov 2014

Says a lot more about you then it does about them.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
26. Vote in a new prosecutor and go after Officer Wilson all over again
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:12 PM
Nov 2014

Double jeopardy doesn't attach with a grand jury's failure to indict, but only when a regular trial jury is empaneled. Make Wilson worry some more with a new grand jury. It would drive him crazy.

Block the streets with tens of thousands of protesters for as many months as it takes for McCullough to resign. Then demand a special election to vote in an honest D.A. and then reempanel a new grand jury to get it right.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
30. Do we even know what it indicates?
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:20 PM
Nov 2014

You seem to be suggesting that the D.A. actually considered all incriminating evidence to obtain an indictment, which seems unlikely.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
31. Initial analysis
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:25 PM
Nov 2014

(and I am open minded enough to reconsider my opinion if something changes) shows that Brown reached into the car, it also shows that he ran away and then from blood spatter patterns that he was in the process of coming back. The gunpowder residue and blood in the car and on both brown and wilson inside the car shows that the altercation started at the car, in direct opposition to at least one eyewitness. Forensics data like that is hard to overcome. Granted there could be more, but if that is all there is, we will never get a conviction. Any forensics specialist worth his or her salt can run laps around eyewitness accounts if they have blood, DNA, and chemicals.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
35. Since none of the evidence considered by the grand jury has reached the light of day
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:33 PM
Nov 2014

and not one witness or forensics expert has been subject to cross examination, there really is no value whatever to the information you describe as "initial analysis". You do realize that witnesses before the grand jury aren't subject to cross examination to test their specific findings and their credibility in general? What the D.A. spouted tonight as part of worthless litany of the things HE found (and he refused to describe what the grand jury itself found to make up its mind) is not evidence. It's his personal opinion. We don't know what the actual evidence says.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
68. I want to know how closely the testimony of the examiner for the FBI
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:17 PM
Nov 2014

aligned with the medical examiner for Ferguson.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
34. You are WRONG. He said that most witnesses saw Brown charge. NO race was implied. I watched it.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:31 PM
Nov 2014

Get your facts and your shit together.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
49. So to be clear...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:20 AM
Nov 2014

You get to make a 'mistake'...

Get corrected on it...

Double down at which point it becomes a lie...

Then call anyone who reminds you of it a racist...

Classy...

Cha

(294,766 posts)
37. McCulloch: All the witnesses who said Brown was advancing on Darren Wilson were black.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:36 PM
Nov 2014

Matt Pearce ✔ @mattdpearce
Follow
McCulloch: All the witnesses who said Brown was advancing on Darren Wilson were black.
4:46 PM - 24 Nov 2014 80 Retweets 30 favorites

Joy Reid ✔ @JoyAnnReid
Follow
Former prosecutor Paul Butler on @TheLastWord: "AA men have no rights white police officers are bound to respect. That's why ppl are angry."
5:58 PM - 24 Nov 2014 152 Retweets 72 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/11/24/president-obama-to-make-a-statement-ferguson/#comment-1197921

Liberal_Stalwart

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
39. Thank you, Cha! I know what I heard!!!
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

All of the evidence that was favorable to Wilson was heard by that Grand Jury. Anything that was contradictory to Wilson's testimony was ignored. Bottom line.

Racists who come to this thread will be put on FULL IGNORE. Fair warning!!

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
41. I agree with you
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:52 PM
Nov 2014

Just to let you know not every white person Is blind to truth here.

Wilson executed Michale brown.And Mccullogh put Brown on trial.

It's all sickening.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
42. The time stamp on your copy and paste disproves your claim. 4:46PM? That's hours before
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:54 PM
Nov 2014

the live statement was read.

Stop making shit up. It does not help anyone.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
48. Oh...cool.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:20 AM
Nov 2014

You knowingly post misinformation....get caught at it and just want peeps to chill.

Got it.

I like your style.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
40. Or better yet - put enormous political pressure on Gov. Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to go
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:48 PM
Nov 2014

after Officer Wilson again, since jeopardy doesn't attach to a grand jury failure to indict.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
43. The Brown family will go after Civil Damages. They will go after $$$$$$$$$$$
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:56 PM
Nov 2014

They will not be awarded any civil damages, but they will try. I don't blame them.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
53. Stop being a smart ass. The only witness' testimony that were accepted were the ones that confirmed
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:08 AM
Nov 2014

Wilson's version of events. So yes, ALL of them. Really, I'm not in the mood for this bullshit. Stop it!

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
54. I ask only because I watched it as well...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:22 AM
Nov 2014

... And that isn't what he said.

Maybe you should review it again...

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
66. And again, only those witnesses who corroborated Wilson's account were accepted as credible
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:07 PM
Nov 2014

witnesses, so of course, those were going to be the ones who's word were taken as truth.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
52. It's true, some witnesses saw Brown charge Wilson
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:39 AM
Nov 2014

He also said that some who initially said Brown had his hand up later admitted they didn't witness the incident/shooting.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
59. Charged him like a football player was one quote.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:07 AM
Nov 2014

Not on the ground, back to him, hands raised surrendering - was all a lie.
Eric Holder knew all this. Why he left town so quickly and has not had a problem with the decision.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
70. Holder left town? No he most certainly has not. Holder has been back to Ferguson many times.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:06 PM
Nov 2014

There is an ongoing investigation.

Here's the medical report:

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Again, Wilson is a lying motherfucker!

MaeScott

(878 posts)
62. But the one with Brown clearly saw.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:22 AM
Nov 2014

.....and was summarily dismissed.

Black folk have no rights that white police are bound to recognize....writ larger on Monday night.

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