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Building on fire now. (Original Post) GGJohn Nov 2014 OP
it is a Walgreens. n/t dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #1
Someone said that the protesters put it out, GGJohn Nov 2014 #3
earlier one of the CNN reporters actually LiberalElite Nov 2014 #4
I'm watching CNN and I think I heard some protesters telling others to stop it, GGJohn Nov 2014 #6
they just mentioned it again on CNN "self policing" nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #9
In the end of the day people are going to see the mess and blame who??? Historic NY Nov 2014 #8
No true Scotsman... I mean protester... I mean provocateur... Oktober Nov 2014 #41
Fire trucks on scene. Still active fire Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #10
Dunno.....I am following on Twitter. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #11
It may be a combo of protesters and owners trying to stop the agitators. GGJohn Nov 2014 #15
I saw protestors guarding restaurants Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #19
So much for violence is not going to happen. maced666 Nov 2014 #2
The state prepared for and ensured violence. morningfog Nov 2014 #5
What did the state do to break into a meat shop, beauty shop and liquor store? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #7
Kill a young black man Depaysement Nov 2014 #12
So, if women started to get raped in the crowd, would the rapers be innocent joeglow3 Nov 2014 #14
The State can blame the protestors Depaysement Nov 2014 #16
So rape is okay and the states fault joeglow3 Nov 2014 #18
Are you happy that the police kill black men, women and children? Depaysement Nov 2014 #46
I do not like to see anyone die joeglow3 Nov 2014 #50
No, obviously I don't want to see anyone hurt but Depaysement Nov 2014 #51
Gosh.. That sure is convenient... Oktober Nov 2014 #42
No Depaysement Nov 2014 #44
Let's see shall we? Oktober Nov 2014 #47
It means just what it says Depaysement Nov 2014 #48
Ask that when it happens, eh? morningfog Nov 2014 #26
Don't worry. I understand why you don't want to answer it. joeglow3 Nov 2014 #29
It is a stupid fucking bullshit question. morningfog Nov 2014 #30
So, which crimes are not the fault of the perpetrators. joeglow3 Nov 2014 #31
You don't understand. I'll try to help. morningfog Nov 2014 #34
I have more faith in humanity than you joeglow3 Nov 2014 #38
You still don't get it. I don't think you want to. morningfog Nov 2014 #39
of course they can. what a ridiculous assertion. history is replete cali Nov 2014 #45
Generations of oppression and injustice and a triggering event. morningfog Nov 2014 #13
+1 Depaysement Nov 2014 #17
What did the hundreds of people who got pummeled with tear gas Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #21
CNN reporter said it was a beauty store that was on fire rollin74 Nov 2014 #20
Fully engulfed now. It's a total loss. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #22
Fire Department now on location brooklynite Nov 2014 #23
I heard on CNN Jenoch Nov 2014 #24
Little Ceasar's pizza shop on fire rollin74 Nov 2014 #25
also "chicken n grill" or? uncle ray Nov 2014 #27
Three buildings on fire now. n/t RebelOne Nov 2014 #28
Little Ceasar's looks like a total loss. just about completely burned down rollin74 Nov 2014 #32
Just said fire department pulling back due to 'shots fired' Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #33
Walgreens being looted right now rollin74 Nov 2014 #35
These assholes just need to stop and respect the wishes of Michael Brown's family of no violence. GGJohn Nov 2014 #36
O'Reillys Auto Parts store now being looted. GGJohn Nov 2014 #37
Auto Zone now fully engulfed. GGJohn Nov 2014 #40
Red's BBQ now also on fire rollin74 Nov 2014 #43
PETA provocateurs? Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #52
The provocateurs did a good job... Historic NY Nov 2014 #49

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
4. earlier one of the CNN reporters actually
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:05 AM
Nov 2014

said there were protesters trying to calm down provocateurs.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
6. I'm watching CNN and I think I heard some protesters telling others to stop it,
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:08 AM
Nov 2014

that's not what they're about.
Good for them.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
8. In the end of the day people are going to see the mess and blame who???
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:10 AM
Nov 2014

the people from Ferguson....the provocateurs don't give a flying f--k except to cause mayhem. Nobody seems to learn.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
41. No true Scotsman... I mean protester... I mean provocateur...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:54 AM
Nov 2014

Maybe there should be badges or something....

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. Dunno.....I am following on Twitter.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:12 AM
Nov 2014

There HAVE been pics of people guarding stores, but it was not pointed out if they were part of the protest crowd.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
15. It may be a combo of protesters and owners trying to stop the agitators.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:14 AM
Nov 2014

God bless those that are trying to keep this peaceful and shame on those, police and agitators, who would sully the name of Michael Brown and his family.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
19. I saw protestors guarding restaurants
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:21 AM
Nov 2014

from a couple people who started trying to smash windows. It was definitely protestors trying to stop the provocateurs or whatever they were.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
14. So, if women started to get raped in the crowd, would the rapers be innocent
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:14 AM
Nov 2014

If not, what crimes are the protestors absolved of because it is the states fault?

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
18. So rape is okay and the states fault
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:19 AM
Nov 2014

That is some fucked up,logic. I hope you don't have daughters protesting the decision.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
46. Are you happy that the police kill black men, women and children?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:47 AM
Nov 2014

I suppose you like the grand jury's decision?

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
51. No, obviously I don't want to see anyone hurt but
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

I understand the rage. A man died after being rudely accosted by a police officer because he was jaywalking while black.

I will agree that the state should prosecute the protesters who commit crimes if it gives the same regard to those protesters that it gave to Officer Wilson, presenting ALL the evidence to the Grand Jury, not asking for specific charges, spending enormous resources on forensics and numerous witness interviews.

It's called equal protection under law and it is enshrined in the Constitution. The State should follow its own rules.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
42. Gosh.. That sure is convenient...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:55 AM
Nov 2014

Disagreement with the court is apparently a license to do what you please....

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
47. Let's see shall we?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:55 AM
Nov 2014
The State can blame the protestors When the State delivers Justice.


Direct inference is that the protesters are blameless until something happens that is entirely outside of their control and also incredibly subjective...

How is that not what you said?

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
48. It means just what it says
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:41 AM
Nov 2014

Get justice for a guy killed because he was walking in the road while black and it can prosecute the protesters who committed crimes. The State has no legitimacy if it doesn't mete out equal protection under the law. Here it surely didn't.

Or maybe you think the authorities did exactly what they should have done.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
30. It is a stupid fucking bullshit question.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:34 AM
Nov 2014

The answer is obvious. Of course not. Get your head out of your ass.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
34. You don't understand. I'll try to help.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:38 AM
Nov 2014

The state is a direct cause of these riots. No one is absolved from their individual actions. But, the state asked for this, set it up and created it.

This is the culmination of oppression and injustice and police militarization. The state is a cause, but that is not the same as saying they are solely responsible. This is complicated and nuanced stuff. Good luck.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
38. I have more faith in humanity than you
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:08 AM
Nov 2014

I don't think the vast vast vast majority of people can't be manipulated into committing crimes.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. Generations of oppression and injustice and a triggering event.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:13 AM
Nov 2014

The state declared a state of emergency before anything happened. They brought in the National Guard. The boxed the people in. They lined up like a military marching to war. They asked for it, they got it.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
21. What did the hundreds of people who got pummeled with tear gas
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:22 AM
Nov 2014

while peacefully protesting do to deserve violent, collective punishment for what a handful of vandals did?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
24. I heard on CNN
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:24 AM
Nov 2014

that looters broke into a store (a woman's clothing store?) and then a group of protesters linked arms in front of the store to stop more looting. I wish there were more actions like this.

So far, it appears the protestes in other cities are calm.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
36. These assholes just need to stop and respect the wishes of Michael Brown's family of no violence.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:40 AM
Nov 2014

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
49. The provocateurs did a good job...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:29 AM
Nov 2014

wiping out business'....others damaged and looted.

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said that there was basically “nothing left” along West Florissant between Solway Avenue and Chambers Road. “Frankly, I'm heartbroken about that," he said.

Auto By Credit dealership
Conoco service station convenience store
Fashions R Boutique
Title Max
Auto Zone
Sam's Meat Market
Red's Barbecue
cell phone business
HealSTL office
Family Dollar Store
Little Caesar's pizzeria
Walgreens
Beauty Town
St. Louis Fish Chicken and Grill
O'Reilly auto parts.

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