PHOTO Of Darren Wilson's Injuries Released

[Segami]

HARDLY THE STUFF OF LIFE-THREATENING INJURY.

A second set of images -- seemingly taken days later -- show Wilson wearing a St. Louis Blues hockey T-shirt, his cheek and lip clear of any bruising.

Here's the terrible injury that Jim Hoft aka Stupidest Guy on the Internet described as a "shattered eye socket."

That injury isn't anywhere near his eye.

Here's my question. If Brown popped Wilson in the face at the car then ran away, how was it that Darren Wilson feared for his life? I'm not seeing a life-threatening injury there, but I can see how it might make him really angry.

So much doubt, but not enough for a trial. How is that possible?


http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/photo-darren-wilsons-injuries-released

Read Darren Wilson's full grand jury testimony

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/read-darren-wilsons-full-grand-jury-testimony/1472/

[pipoman]

1. The absence of back entry bullet

Wounds sort of destroys the fleeing assertion, no? And it really doesn't have to be a life threatening injury to justify a lethal response, a life threatening situation would be if an unarmed person assaults an armed person and disarms that person....life threatening for the officer and the public, especially if you happen to be a clerk at the next convenience store. ..

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. Did every bullet hit?

From the start, I've though he was 'shot at' from behind, but not necessarily hit. He certainly also was quite far from the vehicle if he didn't attempt to flee. Are you saying that rather than simply attempt to overpower Wilson at the car, he ran off specifically for the purpose of 'getting a running start' and 'charging Wilson'? How do you 'charge at' someone you're already fighting close up, anyway?

He quite obviously ran in a direction away from Wilson (and Wilson's car) for at least 35 feet or so, based upon the shortest estimates, and wasn't chasing Wilson, so you've got two choices - he was actually trying to flee, or he 'wanted a running start' to 'charge' Wilson.

From witnesses early on, what I heard was that he started to flee, shots were fired, he turned, putting his hands up, and then was shot with a further volley of bullets.

[pipoman]

50. Or maybe he was shot then fled...

Whatever the case, this was most easily avoided by Brown. ..the whole thing...

[heaven05]

10. blame the dead person

so typical, such a 'balanced and fair' american attitude against someone not able to defend themselves. One bullet did strike Michael from the back. It was proven. That's why he stopped, put his hands up and turned around. This selective evidence BS is just that.

[pipoman]

38. Link?

..more empirical evidence that the grand jury overlooked?

[heaven05]

53. take your wilson loving self to a

search page and google murder/michael brown /darren wilson/ferguson. Do your own goddamn work. The nerve of you wilson lovers. geez

[pipoman]

56. He wasn't shot in the back while fleeing...

The criminal lovers in these parts wouldn't know what to do if confronted with this situation. ..

[heaven05]

57. he was shot once from the rear

go find someone else to care about the wilson loving bullshit you have to spew. It's not me. It was an execution and that's it. Period.

[pipoman]

58. Oh the injustice!!1!

[heaven05]

61. It's hateful people like you

that explains everything wrong about this racist culture. You're one of it's poster children. That is the injustice, people like you.

[pipoman]

70. ...

[heaven05]

71. I can't handle

stupidity and ignorance all wrapped in one very sloppy package......

[Leopolds Ghost]

42. "doesn't have to be life threatening to justify lethal, esp. if clerk at the next convenience store"

Oh, so we're (Missouri Democrats?) preemptively killing "black hoodlums" now?

* I ASSUME there's no white Republicans here, right

[pipoman]

52. Lethal force against one fleeing after committing a felony is a justifiable homicide

In most (if not all) states....probably the basis for the nobill

[heaven05]

54. okay according to you then

browns death was his own fault. and poor executioner wilson was justified in killing him, right?

[pipoman]

59. Yep

Where the rubber meets the road..nobody should expect anything less if they choose to commit felonies, let alone batter a cop..

[heaven05]

60. You're not kidding

okay. Brown was due his execution, according to you. I expect people like you to believe everything people like you feed them without any critical evaluation and lap it up like a dog at it's bowl. No surprise, especially in this country founded on genocide, built by forced slavery and perpetuated by systemic and institutionalized racial hate. I'm going to leave you people to your wilson loving selves and I truly hope the reality of living while black in this culture is something you can realize with empathy one day. But I seriously doubt it.

[pipoman]

65. Card carrying member of the ACLU here

You have probably not met anyone who has been on the other side of the police more than I have..in court rooms. Police get civil liberties too, and are also humans. Society places responsibility on them to deal with the underbelly of society. We arm them and put them in offensive situations against criminals. The rest of society has no authority to act offensively, only defensively. In this charge we have no choice but to allow the benefit of the doubt to fall on our agents. Without leeway to make snap decisions based on training law and order will not exist.

Now there is no doubt that there are police who cross the line. There are racist cops and racist cultures within law enforcement. There are individual cops with complaints of racism...Wilson isn't one of them. He has worked in a predominantly black neighborhood for years, yet not a single person has come forward with an allegation of racism. His personal life has been tirelessly investigated. .no sign of racism. This was a person who acted according to accepted police practices. A person who acted in a split second necessarily. The (almost definitely racially diverse) grand jury saw the evidence. .all of it...they found he acted within the law.

Brown on the other hand, started his day by victimizing a smaller person, committing a robbery, and resisting arrest (at the minimum) and possibly attempted to disarm a police officer....the same person placed on the street to stop people like Brown from further victimizing society.

No, I would rather Brown been arrested, but the unfortunate outcome of this incident is all predicated on Brown's own illegal activity and actions.

[heaven05]

68. okay

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but you do set a low bar for state sanctioned executions, I think. All the 'proof' you're predicating your conclusion(s) on is suspect. Yeah while you as a card carrying ACLU person have taken the GJ conclusions on everything without questioning the veracity of those presenting evidence, I don't believe half of it. The witness testimony was stupendously divergent. The witness testimonies right after the incident were all remarkable the same. No your civil liberties bonifieds don't impress me here with your conclusions based on biased and contrived evidence and possibly coerced testimony. Too much at stake here for a "privileged" view of this incident saying . "yes., brown caused his own murder". I'll never buy that BS. The store incident? No one knows what the situation really was. You're "demonizing" Michael Brown just like wilson, so join many on here and have at it. You over 21. No I can't believe any conclusions you have reached are based in a fair and balanced way. Hell zimpigs jury was "definitely racially diverse" so that particular tidbit doesn't mean a thing to any one who knows darren the pig wilson is a cold blooded, state sanctioned executioner. I pray for his karma to come due.

[pipoman]

69. pretend the world is your tulip patch if you wish...

The reality of crime and punishment, and law and order are so necessarily divergent from your view of it, it is almost unbelievable.

Anyone who could deny the reality of the state of mind of someone who committed strong arm robbery (by definition in my state and I suspect it is in MO too) 5 minutes prior to a confrontation with uniformed police is out of touch with reality. The reality is desperate people do desperate and dangerous shit.

Pretending my lying eyes (and virtually any other objective persons), are lying and Mr. Brown was just clownin' around with his buddy at the cstore don't help your case. Pretending Mr. Brown wasn't responsible for his actions is demeaning to anyone who doesn't rob stores and resist arrest.

No, the law doesn't work that way. If person 'a' drives the car for robber 'a' and robber 'a' is shot and killed outside the bank fleeing a robbery by a private individual, person 'a' can be charged in robber 'a's death.

[GoCubsGo]

2. What injuiries?

I'm still not seeing anything other than a razor burn on his cheek.

[Segami]

7. Cheek redness is probably a result...

...from a tight-fitting Klan hat....

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. A picture's worth a thousand words and it's saying "racist killer cop."

[uponit7771]

39. lofl...

[smirkymonkey]

41. Yeah, that was my reaction.

I can't even believe they are trying to pass off a bit of chafing as "injuries".

[merrily]

3. How about photos of Wilson's injuries side by side with photos of Brown's injuries?

A red bruise on his cheek?

When will law enforcement finally get that everything is not automatically worth shooting someone dead?

[HappyMe]

4. Injuries?

Really?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. If that slight reddening is supposed to be the 'injury',

it appears to be on the right side of his face, away from the driver's side window of a regular American vehicle. Unless Wilson was turned so he was looking over his shoulder out the window, I don't see how Brown could have gotten much behind it anyway to impact with any real force. He'd have a lot more damage if it had been a direct hit, so the slight puffiness and redness suggests that he actually took a glancing blow at best, that maybe trapped the edge of his lip against his teeth and grazed the area between the right side of the mandible and the zygomatic bone.

[kelliekat44]

6. What an empty, soulless looking individual. nt

[Segami]

8. AND.....

...they gave him a gun and a badge to maintain law and order (HA!) over people he despised.

Net result is murder.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. POS it's what I'd call him.

[heaven05]

11. awwwww, he looks close to death

doesn't he? I'm willing to bet a lot of his 'injuries are not that.

[ryan_cats]

12. A fat lip?

A fat lip is justification for a lethal response? Where's his shattered eye socket?

[Segami]

14. Take a look at the photo taken a few days later...

..of that so called 'fat-lip'.......its non-existent.

[ryan_cats]

21. That's what happens with a fat lip

That's what happens with a fat lip, they heal quickly because of the amount of blood flow. I've done worse to myself by walking into a door. It was 'leaked' that he had a shattered eye socket. I'm not a doctor but it doesn't look like it to me.
I don't know exactly what happened between him and Brown but Brown's dead and this guy isn't and the wounds that Brown supposedly put on Wilson don't exist. I do think his wounds were enough to make him angry and we've seen the results of that.

[City Lights]

13. A canker sore and sunburn.

BFD.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. Looks more like your typical redneck of you ask me.

[marble falls]

15. "Injuries"? Not even worth a squeeze of Windex.

[Travis_0004]

16. Should wilson have waited until the injuries were life threatning?

The threat of injuries is enough to justify self defense. I dont think any cop would wait and take a few more punches before trying to defend themselves.

[jillan]

18. He didn't have to kill. He could have shot his foot, made Michael fall and then handcuffed him.

There are other options besides murder.

[Travis_0004]

19. stupid idea

If somebody is threatning, you aim for center mass.

If they are not threatning you dont shoot. If a cop ever aimed for the foot, they would probably be found guilty because the aegument could be made he wasnt a threat.

[jillan]

24. Murder should always be the last option. I guess I have more regard for human life than you.

[LonePirate]

25. Center mass, eh?

How many bullets hit Brown in his center mass? One?

Wilson is such a poor marksman that he should never be allowed to carry a gun again while on duty. He's a danger to innocent bystanders given his pathetic aim.

[GeorgeGist]

64. Nonsense.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Seriously.

[mikeysnot]

20. good luck with this...

[LonePirate]

22. Was emptying his gun's chamber the appropriate response?

Why not tase Brown instead? Why not stay in the squad car?

Wilson is the antithesis of a good police officer.

[brush]

34. Wilson had pepper spray, a baton, a taser and lastly, a gun

With three other options at hand he chose to empty his gun into the unarmed Brown and murder him.

And how the hell was a guy running away life-threatening? HE WAS RUNNING THE FU_CK AWAY.

I'm sick of hearing from these scared ass cops that they were afraid for their life (a red bruise on his cheek, the right cheek even, not the one nearest to someone at his car window, is a life-threatening injury? I don't think so. It's just about a non-injury. I mean how much power could have been behind that little red bruise?)

If these cops are cowards and afraid they need to get in another line of work.

And he could have just called for back up and let Brown runaway. How far was this huge kid goinf to get and how hard was it going to be to find him in that neighborhood?

Just judgment error after judgment error and he goes un-indicted. He should have been indicted just for being a moron — an unarmed kid killed and his body allowed to lay in street for 4 hours like garbage

[Union Scribe]

47. So he didn't have pepper spray?

He didn't have a Taser?
He didn't have a baton?
He didn't have fists?
He wasn't in a fucking car that could extricate him from the "threat"?

[seabeyond]

51. he opened the door into the kid, and it slammed back into the side of his face. he did it to himself

being an asshole from the start.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. So the 'brave' man got a sock to the jaw and then emptied a gun on

the kid that hit him? How can a police officer be trained to respond like that?

[Segami]

23. Since this was a Grand Jury hearing

and NOT a criminal trial,...does the 'double-jeopardy' law still apply or can Wilson still be charged at a later date if new evidence surfaces?

Double jeopardy is a procedural defence that forbids a defendant from being tried again on the same (or similar) charges following a legitimate acquittal or conviction. In common law countries, a defendant may enter a peremptory plea of autrefois acquit or autrefois convict (autrefois means "in the past" in French), meaning the defendant has been acquitted or convicted of the same offence and hence that they cannot be retried under the principle of Double Jeopardy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy

[Triana]

26. Saw that. A bug bite and some razor burn...

THAT justifies killing an unarmed black teen? Bullshit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025865044

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. Apparently so in today's United Racists of America. It's disgusting.

[LynneSin]

27. I suffered way more injuries tripping down a flight of steps in my house

Perhaps I should have shot up my stairwell 6 times. That would have taught those steps good and plenty.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

33. K&R.

I look in worse shape rolling out of bed in the morning.

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. Amazing how Brown hit him on the right side of his face while he was sitting in the driver's seat

of a car.

That's some plastic man shit going on there. Did he reach around through the passenger side window?

This fucking guy.

Murderer.

[TBF]

36. Graphic Warning - let's compare and contrast

with Mike Brown's injuries:

[niyad]

37. I have a mark on my left cheek right now that bears a striking resemblance to wilson's--it's an

insect bite that I rubbed. truly life-threatening.

[uponit7771]

40. Wait, sitting in the drivers seat how did Wilson get a mark on the RIGHT side of his face...

... unless Brown has some REALLY long arms... I'm calling bullshit on that one

[Leopolds Ghost]

43. He was "bulking up" n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. He makes Gomer Pyle look smart.

[Ken Burch]

46. "Shazam! Shazam! Shazam!" "Gollee, Sargeant Carter!" n/t.

[AverageJoe90]

62. Although I'm sure Gomer Pyle would be much nicer.....nt

[Ken Burch]

45. AWWWW....he had an "owwie". Poor BABYYYYYYYY.

(or at least he said he did.)

Yeah...a tiny face bruise definitely justifies popping twelve caps in somebody's ass.

[AverageJoe90]

48. Oh, spare me......really? REALLY?!?!

(BTW, Segami, that wasn't directed at you, just so we avoid any misunderstandings.)

I mean, come on, now. This is hardly the kind of thing that would warrant anything. Jim Hoft isn't just stupid, folks: he's an out-and-out LIAR, and yes, a fuckin' racist ass to boot, and I'm sure most folks here will agree with that.

[Cha]

49. I got his injuries right here..

[Rex]

55. Where are the injuries? I don't see anything but a healthy person.

SO where are they? I see no broken eye socket. No imprint on his face or body from a fist. Wow...that guy got away with having no injuries and killing a kid.

People that murder kids deserve a special place in hell.

[Autumn]

66. I think I see a zit on the right side of his face. If that's where Michael

hit him Michael had a very, very small fist. In that second pic the zit like looking mark is right across from the bottom of his nose and the pinkish looking mark goes to the bottom of his lip. That's maybe what 2 or 2 and 1/2 inches tops?

[Number23]

63. Well, we can't have blue eyed white men getting lightly bruised, now can we??

Where was his "justice" for that chapped lip in the first pic?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

67. What happened to the blown orbital socket?

And in the George Stephanopoulos interview, Wilson said he didn't think he could survive another attack like he endured in the police car when Brown allegedly turned and charged him. I don't see signs that Wilson came to within an inch of his life of being beaten nearly to death in the photos.