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helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:36 PM Nov 2014

My take on the sequence of events and why Wilson killed Michael Brown

It was nothing but pure panic when Wilson fired the final shots that ended Michael Browns life.

If Wilson told the actual truth to the grand jury I can't say if they would have indicted him or not
but Wilson knows he made a bad shoot.

Wilson and Michael Brown couldn't hear a damn thing after those two gun shots inside that car.

And Michael Brown did not charge Wilson after having a bullet go through his hand. The pain involved
in this is unbelievable due to all the bones in side a human hand.

Michael Brown ran from Wilson but due to temporary hearing loss he stopped and did
what he thought Wilson was yelling for him to do , to avoid being shot again.

This is where the hands up came in , this is what Michael Brown believed he was being told
through the pain in his hand , his ears ringing from hearing two shoots fired inside a vehicle .

Wilson was also pretty much deaf at this point and panicked because he thought Michael Brown
was not following his orders . At this point Michael Brown was no threat to Wilson.

He was shot , he was in pain , his ears were ringing and he couldn't make out everything Wilson was saying.

But Michael Brown believed it was enough to not be shot again. That's where the arms came up .

Did Wilson say raise your arms , did Wilson say get down on the ground , did Wilson say turn around and lay down on the ground?

Michael Brown wasn't sure so according now to Wilsons statement Michael Brown did have his arms raised at one point.

Makes sense?

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My take on the sequence of events and why Wilson killed Michael Brown (Original Post) helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 OP
Actually that makes a lot of sense Turbineguy Nov 2014 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #2
It is a guess I grant you that helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #5
Still doesn't answer my question Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #3
Sadly, we know the not-openly-admitted answer to that question. arcane1 Nov 2014 #7
I generally agree with what you wrote with one exception, GGJohn Nov 2014 #4
You were in a firefight but Brown wasn't , he was just trying to survive from being shot again helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #8
But he still would have had the same adrenaline dump, GGJohn Nov 2014 #9
Brown wasn't a soldier though. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #11
why would he "panic?" noiretextatique Nov 2014 #6
Is there any chance that Wilson used FLyellowdog Nov 2014 #10
I don't believe so helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #12
In some ways it makes sense Kalidurga Nov 2014 #13
He shot him because in a panic he thought Michael Brown wasn't following helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #14
This never had to happen Kalidurga Nov 2014 #15
Except that the blood evidence Mojo Electro Nov 2014 #16
Do you have a link to that? helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #17
I'll dig it up Mojo Electro Nov 2014 #18
No you don't have to search , I'll find it I just thought you might have a quick link to it helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #19

Turbineguy

(40,074 posts)
1. Actually that makes a lot of sense
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:46 PM
Nov 2014

But it also lets Wilson off the hook. Although you would expect that sort of thing to be dealt with in a basic policeman's training course.

Response to helpmetohelpyou (Original post)

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
5. It is a guess I grant you that
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:58 PM
Nov 2014

It's just the testimony Wilson gave the grand jury isn't true.

It doesn't add up but I guess at this point you're right

It won't get us anywhere

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
3. Still doesn't answer my question
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:48 PM
Nov 2014

which is why are supposedly belligerent white kids able to be regularly apprehended without the use of lethal force...

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
7. Sadly, we know the not-openly-admitted answer to that question.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:00 PM
Nov 2014

Black kids are "scarier" to some people

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
4. I generally agree with what you wrote with one exception,
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:52 PM
Nov 2014

being shot in the hand doesn't immobilize one, I got hit in my right hand during a firefight in Vietnam and was able to keep on fighting, the adrenaline dump plays hell with the body's physiology, I didn't even feel the pain until after it was over.

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
8. You were in a firefight but Brown wasn't , he was just trying to survive from being shot again
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:02 PM
Nov 2014

I don't think he had blocked out that pain in order to keep fighting.

I remember looking at the path of the bullet wounds that were posted.

It looked like every bone in his hand had been shattered and broken

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
9. But he still would have had the same adrenaline dump,
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:16 PM
Nov 2014

I got hit with a 7.62X39 round fired from an AK-47, much more enery than Wilsons handgun, tore my hand up, required several surgeries to repair, and I was still able to keep on shooting.

His body probably went into a fight or flight mode where survival is instinctive and the brain will shut down pain for a period of time.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
11. Brown wasn't a soldier though.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:53 PM
Nov 2014

He was probably scared out of his mind after being shot by Wilson, regardless of the pain. It would be better to realize that not only the physical reactions were at play here. Soldiers are trained to keep going. Sure, adrenaline and the body's physical response might work the way you described, but soldiers also have the mental training to keep on going and handle things differently. The average civilian would be scared out of their mind and not react the same exact way a soldier would react.

I get your point, but there is more than the physical in any type of fight or flight situation.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
6. why would he "panic?"
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:00 PM
Nov 2014

IF he told the truth, there would have been no need for a cover-up and a defense from the prosecutor. so...what did they do THAT, if the truth would have exonerated him, in your scenario? was that "panic" too?

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
10. Is there any chance that Wilson used
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:41 PM
Nov 2014

a racial slur when he first encountered Brown? That might account for the young man confronting the officer and then the fight ensued.

No one has said why they think Brown approached the car. There had to be a reason. It's not a usual thing one would do.

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
12. I don't believe so
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:24 PM
Nov 2014

Dorian Johnson would have said so in the first interview and statement he made.

I don't remember him saying anything like that.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
13. In some ways it makes sense
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:29 PM
Nov 2014

what doesn't make sense though is that Wilson thought shooting a kid was the best solution even with his ringing ears and non-existent pain from not actually being hit by Brown.

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
14. He shot him because in a panic he thought Michael Brown wasn't following
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:52 PM
Nov 2014

his commands . When at least in my opinion , Michael Brown was following his commands or so he thought.
That is why the arms came up , that's in Wilsons statement now. When Wilson then fired at Michael again .
At that point Michael Brown didn't know why he was being shot at because to the best of his knowledge he did comply .

All Wilson had to do was take a few more seconds to think clearly what was happening and
why Michael Brown was reacting the way he was.

This never had to happen.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
15. This never had to happen
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:55 PM
Nov 2014

That is completely true. Wilson just had to think for a few seconds. Apparently thinking is not his strong suit if he is capable of it at all. I think at this point Wilson should admit he was wrong, he has had months to think about this, but then thinking isn't his strong suit.

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
16. Except that the blood evidence
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:25 PM
Nov 2014

indicates that he did turn around and advance 20 feet towards the cop.

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
18. I'll dig it up
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:45 PM
Nov 2014

I heard the prosecutor mention it last night during his speech and heard some legal analyst mention it on the radio on the way home today. It doesn't say anything about how fast he was moving, just that the blood trail in the street went 20 feet beyond where his body was ultimately found indicating he turned back. He could have been stumbling forward, who knows.

 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
19. No you don't have to search , I'll find it I just thought you might have a quick link to it
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:47 PM
Nov 2014

thanks though.

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