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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/
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SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Clearly the few(2) outweigh the many(14).
jonno99
(2,620 posts)not only what any given witness says - but more importantly, how credible is the statement...
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 28, 2014, 01:55 AM - Edit history (1)
jonno99
(2,620 posts)and the credibility of the witnesses is one (key?) component.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)becomes that this whole thing will be thrown out. From a prosecutor who turned into a Defense Atty, AND has a connection to a fundraiser for his 'suspect' to witnesses lying etc, there is no way this decision will ever be accepted.
I am happy to see that the Bar Association is asking for an explanation for what happened in this case.
McCullough did not 'prosecute' he defended the suspected killer.
I did hear that another GJ can be seated, this time with an Independent Prosecutor. Let's hope so. Because this was just a sham.
pnwmom
(110,263 posts)The prosecutor usually only puts forth his best witnesses, and the defense doesn't speak at all. This prosecutor did the work of the defense on their behalf.
SweetieD
(1,673 posts)Wilson also testified that Brown's hands were up when Brown was supposedly facing him. It is in the passage where he calls Brown a demon. Yet the chart has N/A next to Wilson's testimony for that incident.
I'd have to read all the evidence to see about the others. I'd love to know the identity of some of these witnesses because I have a feeling there were a lot of shenanigans that went on on how they found these people. If the "racist diary" witness person was called, it means they didn't vet any witness before putting them up on the stand because that person's diary was not credible at all, and the FBI said the same crackpot came to them but that they could not verify that the witness was at the scene because none of the evidence showed her/his car was there. anyway. It seems like any looney tune could've come to McCullough's office and said they were a witness, and if their testimony even kind of supported Wilson's bogus account, they would've put them on the stand, regardless if they were at the scene or not.
Spazito
(55,579 posts)he was not a witness in the case, he was the 'defendant'.
SweetieD
(1,673 posts)So take it up with the chart maker. They are the one's who inserted Wilson in the chart.
The chart maker put a check mark next to the "charging" statement for Wilson but N/A next to the hands up section. I'm saying that is wrong and not what his testimony said. So I do not trust that any of the other checkmarks/x's/N/A's are correct either.
Spazito
(55,579 posts)are directly related to questions involving the actions of Michael Brown and his interactions with the 'defendant' Wilson.
helpmetohelpyou
(589 posts)in his statement ( Wilson did say Browns hands were up at one point)
I know for a fact I read it , but during the interview Wilson said at no time were Browns hands up when Stephanopoulos
asked the question.
SweetieD
(1,673 posts)he mentions that Browns hands were up.
How you charge someone with your hands up, I am still trying to figure out. Maybe Brown was Frankenstein.
jillan
(39,451 posts)WTF!
underpants
(196,614 posts)from what I know, cops are always aware of how many shots they fire. That is a governor on firing because they have to file a report.
Wilson's only report of the day, incident, or firing was to his lawyer. There is no official report from that night. The report he filed is covered under client - lawyer privileges. There is no official report. Wilson only went to the hospital (who officially reported that there was nothing really wrong with him) when his lawyer told him to. His lawyer was there as soon as he got back to the station - which was at least 4 hours after he murdered Brown. Wilson overwatched the body for about 4 hours. Police camera man's batteries had run out.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)NOT to file a report when there is a shooting. Apparently, that is union standard operating procedure. I've always wondered why, and it seems that we know, now.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)All cops. All the time.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)
panader0
(25,816 posts)or "bull rush" as was once said, would you have your hands up?
That, like everything else about this sham "justice", just doesn't make sense.
Wilson is a liar. And a murderer.
maced666
(771 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)the wilsonthepig lovers needed. They will be in an orgy of revelry soon. This by the way this is obvious bullshit as was the whole GJ kabuki theater. Fuck the racists in ferguson who put this shit out as proof of a "good shoot". Amerikkkan wilsonthepig lovers, people are not as gullible and/or as stupid as you would like to believe. The stupid I've read from wilsonthepig lovers shows me who's willfully ignorant and/or stupid.
Bryce Butler
(338 posts)So Brown charged Wilson then ran away?
maced666
(771 posts)Reach into car? 11-3 most witnesses who answered said yes. Been told repeatedly he was NEVER near car or reached in.
Charge police officer? 6-5, again most side with officer. Been told repeatedly he never confronted officer.
Put hands at his waist? 4-2, side with officer AGAIN. Been told repeatedly no, he never did THAT...
Face officer when fired upon? Wow - 15-2 - been told REPEATEDLY he was on ground, knees, back turned, hands in air -
These facts are VERY helpful.
trekbiker
(768 posts)Facts are inconvenient, basically a waste of time. Cognitive dissonance must be avoided.
this is mob rule here at DU
Chico Man
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SweetieD
(1,673 posts)Almost all witnesses said there was a struggle at the car. Also, almost all witnesses that came out said that Brown turned around and was facing the officer when he was shot. Even Dorian, Mike's friend said that in his interviews to the media.
As far as charging, based on the audio (which was vetted by an independent source), there is no way that Brown could have "charged". I also do not understand how someone charges with their hands up unless you are frankenstein. The entire account is ridiculous. But somehow people can suspend all rationality when the victim is black because we are superhuman.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)and that some people lie or omit inconvenient facts... on BOTH SIDES.
cstanleytech
(28,486 posts)and thats why such testimony isnt perfect also keep in mind just because there is a witness doesnt mean they saw everything that happened.
Some witnesses could have been 50 feet behind the officers where as others might be 300 feet or more off to the side so their view would be totally different than each other and one might see something that the other missed.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)different angles from which to perceive scene differently, etc. And lies, since people claimed in the media to have seen things they didn't actually see. I think that is very common and not just in Ferguson, or among black folks, or poor folks, or whatever. You see part of it, feel outraged, and fill in with what others have said. You saw part of it, you heard it...pretty soon you are going along with what other folks said.
zentrum
(9,870 posts)...is not a Jury in a trial where guilty or not-guilty is decided.
Their sole job was to determine if there is enough evidence, or enough conflict between pieces of evidence, to bring the case to a trail where all witnesses, including those who present forensic evidence, will be cross-examined.
There was no cross-examining attorney in the room. The Grand Jury is not in a position to judge forensic evidence or eye witnesses without the explanations shown in a trial.
This prosecutor presented the case as he would in from of a Trial Jury, i.e trying to prove the innocence of Wilson. He had complete control over what the Grand Jury knew and how they interpreted evidence. He got the outcome he engineered.
It's disgusting.
