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The level of opposition and disrespect and hate toward this President is epic!! (Original Post) kelliekat44 Nov 2014 OP
Yes shenmue Nov 2014 #1
k&R.. spanone Nov 2014 #2
Eh, it would only result in the Republicans looking petty . . . Journeyman Nov 2014 #3
Just post it online. former9thward Nov 2014 #13
No more so than towards Bush, and not much more than towards Clinton. You just notice it more. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #4
They're threatening to ban a sitting President from giving the SOTU... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #7
DUers want Bush impeached for war crimes, if it comes to that. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #11
The "justifications" is the issue. To ban Obama from a STOTU address for Presidenting while black? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #14
I think it's "while liberal" - that's the issue - remember the impeachment of Clinton. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #21
The fuck it is, it is racial prejudice mixed in with the liberal, did you just wake up? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #24
From Jefferson to Wilson, the annual address was presented in written form. . . Journeyman Nov 2014 #27
Again, this is Congress we are talking about quit distracting with the DU narrative. Rex Nov 2014 #17
Posters on an Internet forum vs elected officials. NYC Liberal Nov 2014 #29
You're wrong. The manifestations ARE materially different. Martin Eden Nov 2014 #34
No one is threatening to ban him from the SOTU. former9thward Nov 2014 #16
The National Review is not DU, it actually has some influence over the GOP. Rex Nov 2014 #20
Who in Congress is saying this? former9thward Nov 2014 #23
Here you go: Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #26
The link did not name one person. former9thward Nov 2014 #28
way more than clinton...and bush noiretextatique Nov 2014 #35
They wouldn't treat a white POTUS that way. Rex Nov 2014 #5
right here on DU GW Bush was routinely reviled as being a chimpanzee, chimperor etc along with msongs Nov 2014 #6
I'm talking about Congress. Rex Nov 2014 #8
Congress is now depicting Obama that way, see the difference? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #15
Congress is? former9thward Nov 2014 #19
For fucks sake, it was rhetorical, regarding why they many not allow his SOTU...clear now? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #22
Yes, the thread is rhetorical. former9thward Nov 2014 #25
thats because is his a chimp olddots Nov 2014 #30
Obama didn't start two wars for the purpose of obscene profits. Initech Nov 2014 #31
Except Bill Clinton AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #10
He was stabbed in the back by his own party. Rex Nov 2014 #12
Had they thought of it, they would have done it AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #36
there is no surprise there samsingh Nov 2014 #9
Controlled for about 3 weeks...that control? And remember Liebermann? I remember. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #18
good point. But Obama had a mandate for change samsingh Nov 2014 #32
I think there hasn't been this much hatred for a president since Lincoln. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #33

Journeyman

(14,979 posts)
3. Eh, it would only result in the Republicans looking petty . . .
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:27 PM
Nov 2014

From Jefferson to Wilson, the annual message wasn't given to Congress in person. The President submitted his report in writing and it was read by the Sergeant at Arms in a dispassionate voice. I wish we'd go back to that. Then the emphasis might be on the content and not the presentation. The presidency is treated too much as a monarch as it is. Better to bring the whole government down to a level of discourse in which we can all better participate.

former9thward

(31,472 posts)
13. Just post it online.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:20 PM
Nov 2014

Congress, everybody could see it. No need of 'analysts' telling us what he said afterwords.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
4. No more so than towards Bush, and not much more than towards Clinton. You just notice it more.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:33 PM
Nov 2014

There may be a difference in the *justification* for that hatred and disrespect, but the hatred and disrespect itself is pretty much interchangeable.

The one thing that I think *has* been unique to Obama is that some of that hatred and disrespect has manifested itself as trying to claim that he is not American.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
7. They're threatening to ban a sitting President from giving the SOTU...
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:07 PM
Nov 2014

I think their hatred is a little different...

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
11. DUers want Bush impeached for war crimes, if it comes to that.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:12 PM
Nov 2014

You can argue about the justifications, but the manifestations are not materially different.

Journeyman

(14,979 posts)
27. From Jefferson to Wilson, the annual address was presented in written form. . .
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:40 PM
Nov 2014

How refreshing it would be, for Obama to eschew the trappings of the imperial presidency and renew a tradition older than the present model.

Martin Eden

(12,760 posts)
34. You're wrong. The manifestations ARE materially different.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 06:42 PM
Nov 2014

You're talking about DUers, whereas the level of opposition to Obama is manifested in major media and, more importantly, in Congress. Democrats in Congress worked with Bush quite often, whereas Republicans in Congress have engaged in unprecedented obstructionism and the vitriol from actual elected officials simply cannot be compared to the behavior of elected Democrats towards Bush.

Also, justification -- legitimacy of the accusations -- is extremely relevant to any comparison of the opposition to Bush and Obama. If the intensity of the rhetoric from comparable sources was equal (which it is not) the logical and relevant question is how much validity is there to it?

But you apparently dismiss that question as unimportant.

former9thward

(31,472 posts)
16. No one is threatening to ban him from the SOTU.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:23 PM
Nov 2014

Its conservative bloggers trying to grab some attention. They were obviously successful. No one in Congress is saying this. Would you hold Obama accountable for anything that is posted on DU?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. The National Review is not DU, it actually has some influence over the GOP.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:25 PM
Nov 2014

Again with the DU stuff. It's like a broken record.

former9thward

(31,472 posts)
28. The link did not name one person.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:34 PM
Nov 2014

Pure speculation by the writer. As I thought. The link with-in the link was an article about avoiding a shutdown -- nothing at all about the SOTU.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
35. way more than clinton...and bush
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 02:43 AM
Nov 2014

bush didn't even "win" the first election, and probably not the second. clinton was pursued relentlessly...that much is true. however, the level of irrational, crazy...and racist nonsense directed at Obama is something else entirely.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. They wouldn't treat a white POTUS that way.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:37 PM
Nov 2014

The GOP is full of sick people that enjoy being cruel.

msongs

(66,989 posts)
6. right here on DU GW Bush was routinely reviled as being a chimpanzee, chimperor etc along with
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:00 PM
Nov 2014

graphics and images depicting him as such

Initech

(99,757 posts)
31. Obama didn't start two wars for the purpose of obscene profits.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:47 PM
Nov 2014

Nor did he ignore the warnings on 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for Bush was justified, the hatred for Obama really isn't.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. He was stabbed in the back by his own party.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:17 PM
Nov 2014

Did they ever talk about denying him the right to the SOTU speech? Did the GOP work with Bill Clinton? The way Obama is being treated is far below the norm imo. Which other POTUS gets questioned about his heritage? Did the GOP ever block a bill 50 times while Clinton or Carter were in office? Obama gets different treatment.

Clinton had to deal with Newt. Obama has to deal with the entire GOP party.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
36. Had they thought of it, they would have done it
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:46 PM
Nov 2014

They wanted to impeach him again after he was out of office. This sort of viscous nonsense will happen every time a Democrat is in office as long as we have this stupid two party system in place.

samsingh

(17,512 posts)
9. there is no surprise there
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014

I just with President Obama had governed with more urgency and recognition that this was the case. there is no more powerful position than the one he had to change things - especially at the beginning of his first term when we controlled the Presidency, The House, The Senate.

samsingh

(17,512 posts)
32. good point. But Obama had a mandate for change
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

in his first term he went conservative and alienated a lot of people who wanted big change.

- he should have taken a more progressive stand on weed
- should have been faster on healthcare and immigration
- should have gone as far left as bush had gone right
- should not have let bush's crimes be swept away
- should have talked to the people more

remember the difference in his performance between the first and second debates? I think he's spent more time governing as he was in debate 1 and a few times he's governed like in debate 2 (e.g. his recent immigration stand).

repugs will bend and destroy the law for their means. if we can't even show passion and fierceness for what we believe, then they will continue to steamroll over us.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
33. I think there hasn't been this much hatred for a president since Lincoln.
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:23 PM
Nov 2014

Let that sink in for a minute.

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