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malaise

(296,105 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 07:43 PM Dec 2011

Fugging hell -In Bags at J.F.K., Handlers Found Niche for Crime

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/nyregion/cocaine-smuggling-case-shows-airline-baggage-handlers-misconduct.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=jfk%20smuggling%20&st=cse&scp=1
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When federal investigators announced they had broken up a cocaine-trafficking ring, the crime boss was not a member of a Mexican cartel or the Mafia.

The ringleader was Victor Bourne, a low-wage baggage handler for American Airlines at Kennedy International Airport. And his associates in the enterprise were other airline employees: baggage handlers and crew chiefs who delivered contraband while they delivered luggage to the baggage-claim area.

Their cunning provided luxury watches, cars, tuition for their children and expensive vacations. Now they face prison.

Testimony at Mr. Bourne’s trial in Federal District Court in Brooklyn during September and October revealed a culture of corruption among some baggage handlers at Kennedy. They stowed drugs in secret panels inside planes; stole laptops, lobsters and fine clothing flown as freight; and rifled through passengers’ belongings for perfume, liquor and electronics.

“ ‘Everybody did it.’ That’s a line that a lot of the witnesses said,” recalled Rebecca Grefski, a juror at Mr. Bourne’s trial, part of a case in which 12 American Airlines employees either pleaded guilty or were convicted. “Everybody was doing it.”
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Fugging hell -In Bags at J.F.K., Handlers Found Niche for Crime (Original Post) malaise Dec 2011 OP
I bet this is more rampant than just this case. Something tells me that would be teddy51 Dec 2011 #1
Absolutely - read the entire article malaise Dec 2011 #2
Holy crap, that's quite a read malaise. Certainly doesn't make me want to teddy51 Dec 2011 #3
I haven't flown with them since they forgot to shut BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #24
For many years, Miami International Airport was the reputed epicenter Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #40
Never put valuables in your checked luggage jberryhill Dec 2011 #4
Everybody should know that, but like everything else there are some very naive teddy51 Dec 2011 #5
Do you ever get the impression that malaise Dec 2011 #12
I never have valuables in checked luggage malaise Dec 2011 #6
The TSA has stolen more from my carry-ons Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #8
How do they steal from your carry -ons? malaise Dec 2011 #10
They take the object they desire and put it in their pocket Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #13
How - don't they check your bag in front of you? malaise Dec 2011 #16
no your bag goes thru an xray device, you go thru a DIFFERENT device or patdown pitohui Dec 2011 #19
have you ever flown before? CreekDog Dec 2011 #26
I traveled up to two weeks ago malaise Dec 2011 #27
we're talking about stealing...do you remember the thread topic you were posting in? CreekDog Dec 2011 #28
Actually, if you are in the scanner and the bag needs a check or re-scan jberryhill Dec 2011 #33
while you're distracted by the patdown, an associate grabs your wallet, etc out of yr carryon pitohui Dec 2011 #18
Makes a good argument for chartering your own wings! gateley Dec 2011 #21
Wow malaise Dec 2011 #22
I can't see how you'd let that happen more than one jberryhill Dec 2011 #23
No, they don't. They cut the lock off. Damage your case? Tough. Don't lock it next time. saras Dec 2011 #30
Sorry, but we are talking about carryon luggage here jberryhill Dec 2011 #32
If they are I have never seen it malaise Dec 2011 #35
I'm not trying to blame the victim here, but Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #41
They let you walk though the metal detector with a cell phone, ipod, prescriptions and wallet? Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #43
I get it now... Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #44
A woman's purse also goes through that scanner and can be checked the way carry-on bags are tblue37 Dec 2011 #46
These assholes have nothing on London Thiefrow Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #7
You do know that airlines deliver misrouted luggage jberryhill Dec 2011 #34
And this is done in beat up Vauxhall Astra's with screaming children in the back Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #37
Wouldn't surprise me jberryhill Dec 2011 #38
I didn't have to, security came on their own Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #39
And that is where the necklace my partner gave me disappeared to Matariki Dec 2011 #9
Any good jewelry I travel with is on me malaise Dec 2011 #11
oh schipol is just as bad pitohui Dec 2011 #20
My Dad lost a camera from his luggage that he packed when leaving the Netherlands AllyCat Dec 2011 #25
What is almost more terrible is the statement putting tuition in the same list of luxuries as AllyCat Dec 2011 #14
Well some of the crooks want tuition fees for their kids malaise Dec 2011 #17
A lesson to be learned. Texasgal Dec 2011 #15
Absolutely. I never check anything if I can help it ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2011 #29
Lots of good reasons to file airline flight with cocaine as a stupid idea that didn't pan out saras Dec 2011 #31
you use to be able to lock your luggage Johonny Dec 2011 #36
See, they were not Too Big To Fail Rex Dec 2011 #42
‘Everybody did it.’ progressoid Dec 2011 #45
Baggage Handlers make $8 an hour for humping 80 Lb bags all day.... lib2DaBone Dec 2011 #47
It's very hard work but are you suggesting malaise Dec 2011 #48
Meanwhile, in upstate Michigan, a State-licensed MMJ grower is busted. You're going DOWN grandma! Scuba Dec 2011 #49
 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
1. I bet this is more rampant than just this case. Something tells me that would be
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 07:47 PM
Dec 2011

the perfect job to have for drug trafficking.

malaise

(296,105 posts)
2. Absolutely - read the entire article
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 07:55 PM
Dec 2011

It is - and has been for decades but everything has changed since 9/11 and with the new airport security, men and women are getting caught across the globe.
gr.

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
3. Holy crap, that's quite a read malaise. Certainly doesn't make me want to
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:14 PM
Dec 2011

fly American Airlines any time soon.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
24. I haven't flown with them since they forgot to shut
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 10:39 PM
Dec 2011

the baggage door and killed all the passengers. Sloppy and careless.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
40. For many years, Miami International Airport was the reputed epicenter
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 04:16 PM
Dec 2011

of smuggling, black marketing and a lot else...If you knew the right people to talk to and had the cash, there was nothing in the world you couldn't buy (or so I've heard)

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
5. Everybody should know that, but like everything else there are some very naive
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:18 PM
Dec 2011

people out there. Maybe trusting is another reason, not dreaming that all airline employee's aren't honest.

malaise

(296,105 posts)
12. Do you ever get the impression that
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:32 PM
Dec 2011

everyone is out to rob us and there is very little protection from the vultures?

malaise

(296,105 posts)
6. I never have valuables in checked luggage
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:24 PM
Dec 2011

Don't check electronics either.
Still just imagine if one of these scumbags hides the cocaine in an innocent passenger's luggage.

malaise

(296,105 posts)
16. How - don't they check your bag in front of you?
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:47 PM
Dec 2011

<aybe I'mjust lucky or no one wants my trash

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
19. no your bag goes thru an xray device, you go thru a DIFFERENT device or patdown
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:51 PM
Dec 2011

you are separated from your bag every time you go thru security

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
26. have you ever flown before?
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:22 AM
Dec 2011

the bags go through a machine and it's hard to keep an eye on them when they TSA is scanning, wanding, groping you.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
33. Actually, if you are in the scanner and the bag needs a check or re-scan
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:48 PM
Dec 2011

They call you over first and ask if it is your bag. They do that so you don't deny it if they find something.

And secondly, the entire area is under multiple video surveillance. It's a dumb place to steal something.

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
18. while you're distracted by the patdown, an associate grabs your wallet, etc out of yr carryon
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:49 PM
Dec 2011

it has happened to me also

when you're traveling solo, you are vulnerable going thru security/x-ray etc. while you can't see your bag, then it's possible for the security personnel to steal goodies out of the bag

it has happened to me, fortunately i put a throwdown wallet with a bunch of ones and fives in it at the top of my carry-on and that's what they stole, the big money was zipped way down and well hidden

i also saw it attempted on another traveler at the same airport and called out, hey, i'm watching your bag [name of traveler], as soon as i said it, the tsa agent who was grabbing stuff from his bag dropped it and took off

it takes at least two agents to work the scam, one to distract/detain, and the other to snitch stuff from the temporarily neglected back

checked bags hold nothing of value, the real loot (electronics, ipods, wallets, jewelry, and other small grabbable goodies) are in the carryons

gateley

(62,683 posts)
21. Makes a good argument for chartering your own wings!
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 09:03 PM
Dec 2011


Seriously, there's no other way you can be totally protected.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
23. I can't see how you'd let that happen more than one
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 10:34 PM
Dec 2011

My carry-on case locks. If they want to look inside, they can, but they'll need me to open it.
 

saras

(6,670 posts)
30. No, they don't. They cut the lock off. Damage your case? Tough. Don't lock it next time.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:03 PM
Dec 2011

Or lock it with a TSA-approved lock that they (or any third-rate criminal) can remove at will.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
32. Sorry, but we are talking about carryon luggage here
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:06 PM
Dec 2011

I put in over 70,000 miles on airplanes in the last year.

They are not fiddling with locks in the scanner line.

In the baggage area, sure. But that is not what the context of this subthread is.

malaise

(296,105 posts)
35. If they are I have never seen it
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 03:02 PM
Dec 2011

There are some unbelievable tales re carry-on luggage on this thread

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
41. I'm not trying to blame the victim here, but
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 04:19 PM
Dec 2011

You actually put valuables in your carry-on? When I travel they are always on my person (unless it's the rare case of something impractical to have on me)

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
43. They let you walk though the metal detector with a cell phone, ipod, prescriptions and wallet?
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 04:22 PM
Dec 2011
 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
44. I get it now...
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 06:32 PM
Dec 2011

I know every case is different, but personally I always double check my gear when putting my shoes on and pulling my pants back up...

In addition:
Cash/Passport/Driver's Lic.--On me
Wallet--Only a couple of cards 'worth' anything and I always double check...

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
46. A woman's purse also goes through that scanner and can be checked the way carry-on bags are
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:14 PM
Dec 2011

Last edited Tue Dec 13, 2011, 01:42 AM - Edit history (2)

checked, and women do put their wallets in their purses! In fact, when they travel, some women leave the purse behind and carry one big bag as both carryon and purse.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
7. These assholes have nothing on London Thiefrow
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:25 PM
Dec 2011

Waiting for a pickup you can see airport employees wander out with with multiple mismatched suitcases, toss them into waiting cars that take-off and then repeat five minutes later.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. You do know that airlines deliver misrouted luggage
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:50 PM
Dec 2011

I've had luggage not make a connection, and the airlines deliver it to where you live (or are staying if you are on your outbound leg).
 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
37. And this is done in beat up Vauxhall Astra's with screaming children in the back
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 03:49 PM
Dec 2011

from the curb of the passenger terminal?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. Wouldn't surprise me
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 03:57 PM
Dec 2011

So, to whom did you report your observation of stolen luggage?

The last two times I had luggage delivered, I was, shall we say, surprised by the appearance of the independent contractors, their vehicles, and their disaquaintance with English. That said, they did a fine job.

malaise

(296,105 posts)
11. Any good jewelry I travel with is on me
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:30 PM
Dec 2011

I never check in jewelry. Anything else is in my handbag.

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
20. oh schipol is just as bad
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:54 PM
Dec 2011

i never wear jewelry of value to europe but someone close to me is out a $5K gold bracelet for not listening to this advice

the artful dodger ain't just a nice story, we have violent crime but they have skilled crime and i prefer to let them practice their skills on someone else

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
25. My Dad lost a camera from his luggage that he packed when leaving the Netherlands
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:14 AM
Dec 2011

Not sure if it was Schipol, but all this makes me realize why I don't fly anymore.

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
14. What is almost more terrible is the statement putting tuition in the same list of luxuries as
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:42 PM
Dec 2011

cars, watches, and expensive vacations. Friggin' M$M

malaise

(296,105 posts)
17. Well some of the crooks want tuition fees for their kids
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:49 PM
Dec 2011

Some of the IOC folks caught up in the Sal Lake City Olympic scandal also took tuition fees over other gifts.

Texasgal

(17,240 posts)
15. A lesson to be learned.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:45 PM
Dec 2011

Never check your valuables!

I never do, always bring my laptop, wallet any jewelry with me. Oh, and Prescription eyewear!

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
29. Absolutely. I never check anything if I can help it
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:52 PM
Dec 2011

Last time I did, my suitcase lock had been TWISTED off (it was a standard FAA approved lock) and the zipper pull also twisted/pulled off. It was clear to me someone was impatient and determined to get in there - but nothing was stopping them from doing it correctly ie: via the FAA key for the lock. They just apparently twisted it off with pliers. It was a brand new lock, too.

Nothing was missing but nothing was in there that would interest a thief either.

NEVER AGAIN.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
31. Lots of good reasons to file airline flight with cocaine as a stupid idea that didn't pan out
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:04 PM
Dec 2011
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
42. See, they were not Too Big To Fail
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 04:21 PM
Dec 2011

if so, the govt would be handing out free money checks to them for keeping the economy up and running. So how is that War on Terror...er...War on Drugs working out fer ya!?

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
47. Baggage Handlers make $8 an hour for humping 80 Lb bags all day....
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 08:51 PM
Dec 2011

So how attractive do you think it is when baggage workers can make an extra $50 bucks letting something illegal go thru?

If you have never crawled on your knees in 100 degree heat in a baggage hold with cockroaches running everywhere while the sweat drips in your eyes and your knees ache and you back screams and your stomach hurts.. but you have to get that aircraft turned around in 20 minutes so the CORPORATION can maintain its profit margin...

You should try it sometime.. then get back to me.....

malaise

(296,105 posts)
48. It's very hard work but are you suggesting
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 09:00 PM
Dec 2011

that they have the right to do illegal stuff including stealing from people who don't earn that much more.

It's one thing to rob the corporation; it's another to rob average citizens.
Sorry I don't support criminality.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
49. Meanwhile, in upstate Michigan, a State-licensed MMJ grower is busted. You're going DOWN grandma!
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 09:04 AM
Dec 2011
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