Do you have a problem with one photo, but not the other?

[gollygee]

The guns in the top photo look like they are only BB guns or something. They don't look at serious as the guns in the second photo.

[FLPanhandle]

1. Can I have a problem with both?

Because I do.

[Frustratedlady]

2. I agree with you. Neither photo is right. Sorry! eom

[pipoman]

3. Or neither, because I don't. ..

[HERVEPA]

4. You gun nuts are just fucking sickos.

[pipoman]

10. Lol...

Millions of families hunt and shoot. There are competitive shooting events every weekend within 50 miles of every home in America. Only the clueless object.

[HERVEPA]

17. The pictures are what I was talking about. Anyone who thinks those family photos are OK is sick.

I don't care about competitive shooting events. I dislike hunting, but detest it when it's for sport. I understand when it's for food, but taking any pleasure in the hunt, even for food, is just disgusting. I don't care if it's a family tradition. There are much healthier ones. And I don't give a damn what you gunners think about me. (just like you don't give a damn about I think about you).

[pipoman]

24. Oh, then taking pleasure in eating your thanksgiving turkey

Must be unbearable. Teevee and video games are so much better.

[daleanime]

67. Actually it was kind of rough...

I've been eating so little meat lately that my gut wasn't very happy if me.

[HERVEPA]

70. I don't eat animals or play video games. jerk

[A Simple Game]

121. I think your ancestors did at least one of those activities, bet you can't guess which one.

Also you shouldn't call people names, it reflects poorly on you and you could use all the points you can get.

Why don't you think people should have fun doing an activity that may be essential to their survival? Do you have anything you do that makes you happy?

[shaayecanaan]

152. I don't agree with Hitler, as a rule

but I think he was onto something regarding hunting:-

I see no harm in shooting at game. I merely say that it's a dreary sport. The part of shooting I like best is the target—next to that, the poacher. He at least risks his life at the sport. The feeblest abortion can declare war on a deer. The battle between a repeating rifle and a rabbit—which has made no progress for three thousand years—is too unequal. If Mr. So-and-so were to outrun the rabbit, I'd take off my hat to him.

Unless I'm mistaken, shooting is not a popular sport. If I were a shot, it would do me more harm in the minds of my supporters than a lost battle.

[HERVEPA]

163. Some answers

Ancestors who hunted? No one in this country. And since my ancestors a long way back are Jewish, not likely, as it is not kosher to eat meat killed in the wild, rather than raised for it. (I don't think this makes sense by the way. At least the animals in the wild had a chance at a normal life for a while)

As for calling people names, he took shots at me in his post.

And yes, I have things that make me happy:
Two wonderful kids
Two wonderful grandchildren
And I spent about thirteen hours dancing the last two days:

[TransitJohn]

156. Is it hard to use the internet up there

on that cross?

[Logical]

83. LOL, you as usual are making no sense. nt

[samsingh]

34. you make good points

[Brickbat]

60. Why insist that no one take pleasure in hunting?

That's bizarre.

[HERVEPA]

74. Farthest thin from bizarre. Enjoying tracking and killing an animal is disgusting.

Track the damn animal and take a picture.

[Voice for Peace]

78. good idea.

I don't know how people can hunt for pleasure. What kind of
pleasure comes from killing?

[HERVEPA]

79. Thank You! This place gets pretty disgusing these days.

[Drahthaardogs]

85. Oh please.

I grew up on a ranch and we had a butcher shop. I killed steers and hogs several times a week. I also hunted. If you eat meat, something dies. Hunting is not barbaric or other silliness you profess. It is likely hard wired into our jeans. It is not perverted, disgusting, or anything else you describe.

Now, the people posing in front of the Christmas tree, are fools. A gun has one purpose -- to kill. They are not toys and should never ever be put in the same category. My dad would have whopped my ass if I posed for a picture like that. Guns are to be respected, they are an instrument of death.

There are some who do not "hunt", but simply kill. Like Dick Cheney going out and shooting 75 pen-raised pheasants. That is just killing to watch the bodies flop, and it is indeed a symptom of a sick mind. I had the misfortune of showing up a dog training event early, just in time to watch the end of a "pigeon shoot". That was about the saddest, sickest thing, I have ever seen.

[HERVEPA]

92. Not hard wired in my genes

or those of anyone I know.
I believe it is disgusting.
I of course agree with your second and third paragraphs.
Humans lived in caves when we were hunting. We don't anymore.
Should be the same with hunting (or raising animals for slaughter).

[Drahthaardogs]

99. Whatever...

Yes. Do a superior dance now.

[AtheistCrusader]

142. Do you have canine teeth?

[KingCharlemagne]

88. It's only 'sport' if the animals can shoot back. How I would dearly love to

see that happen to some of the pro-gun advocates on this thread

[HERVEPA]

91. Yup

[Brickbat]

100. This argument assumes that animals don't have advantages such as an excellent sense of smell,

high speeds and natural camouflage.

[KingCharlemagne]

101. Oy vey. I'm sure the animals would spot the hunters their excellent sense of

smell, high speeds and natural camouflage in return for opposable thumbs and the means to shoot back.

[Brickbat]

102. I'm sure they wouldn't.

Because they can't.

[KingCharlemagne]

104. Oy double vey. To quote the great Samuel Jackson:

[Brickbat]

106. A classic.

[Duckhunter935]

103. Yes I would much rather

see more wild animals starve to death and more people driving cars killed by large animals.

I do not hunt but I have no problem with people hunting for food if they wish and it is legal.

[Voice for Peace]

107. hunting for food, hunting for wildlife management, is not the same as hunting for sport.

I can accept the first two though I couldn't do it myself.
I don't think even if I were starving I could kill an animal.

[AtheistCrusader]

141. There is some element of satisfaction in tracking and taking game.

I know where the meat on my table came from, and how the animal died, and whether it suffered, and whether it lived a long, free life in the wild.

How many non-vegetarian families in the US do you think can say that? How many would BE meat eaters if they had to go GET their meat, themselves? Not many, methinks.

I put deer and boar down quick, and clean. How much industrial meat from a slaughterhouse crosses your plate, that you can say that with any confidence about?

[Voice for Peace]

164. I have no quarrel with hunters if it's the choice they make and they're eating the meat,

not just killing for fun.

I don't personally eat meat. I have difficulty at times killing
a plant, especially if it is a male cannabis that I have raised
from a seed.

[Brickbat]

105. I'm trying to visualize self-loathing deer hunters insisting on taking no pleasure in the effort

and possible success of providing food for themselves. What does that look like?

[AtheistCrusader]

140. Pictures don't do much for the family dinner table.

Something about grumbling stomachs.

[meow2u3]

5. That makes two of us

I also have a problem with both.

[samsingh]

35. me too

[samsingh]

36. i agree, but i think the idea was to point out

the hypocrisy and racism that some people have in the real world.

I don't like either picture. but if I like the one at the bottom and not the one at the top, then that highlights another issue

[Live and Learn]

116. It looks like many here didn't see the operative word, "if."

The op is 100% correct. There are many (even some on DU) that wouldn't be frightened by the second pic but would be terrified of the first one.

[AtheistCrusader]

143. I think there are two large audiences this is aimed at, and I'm not sure which one

it was primarily aimed at...

[Sherman A1]

40. Right there with ya!

I find both to be sad.

[abelenkpe]

44. Me too. Nt

[MissDeeds]

46. Same here

I find both photos deeply troubling. My hatred of guns is absolute and color blind.

[Eleanors38]

49. They both seem strained stereotypes. nt

[City Lights]

56. Same here. nt

[Hissyspit]

128. Yes. As do I. But that's not the point of the meme.

[AtheistCrusader]

144. Me too. They need to keep their booger hooks off the bang switch.

Shit-tastic trigger discipline, both photos.

[malaise]

160. Ditto n/t

[Kilgore]

6. Yes, the kid in the red top

is pointing his gun at the kid standing next to him.

A poor example of gun safety.

[oberliner]

7. Those Aryan looking kids are pretty scary

What about an image of three African-American girls holding guns compared to three white teen males?

Gender probably has something to do with possible reactions as well.

Also the demeanor of the people in the photo (happy/smiling vs. not).

[IVoteDFL]

8. both creep me out

It's strange that you can use a gun before you can drive a car, smoke a cigarette or see an R-rated movie. wtf?

[cali]

9. I think they're both sick and disgusting. period.

[Hoyt]

11. Both. But your point is clear-- right wingers would be grabbing their guns over the first.

[gollygee]

15. Thank you for understanding the point of the photo.

A great number of people feel huge fear over a person of color with a gun, even what look to be BB guns or something, as in the first photo - but think the 2nd photo is fine. That's how an African American kid with a BB gun is seen as such a huge threat that he's killed immediately without even a moment to tell him to put up his hands, but white people can wander around with guns with no police response.

[Eleanors38]

52. Since this is Special Dispensation Day in GD, have you

heard of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club? Did you see them all shot down in the streets of Dallas?

[AtheistCrusader]

145. I'd take any of those kids to the range, or hunting with me.

Both photos look like your average American kid to me.

[Doctor_J]

29. And blaming Obama for the first

[Sancho]

12. I resent the implication that Florida has some kind of problem...

Why not a Wisconsin or Arizona shirt?

[bigwillq]

13. I don't have a problem with either one (nt)

[HERVEPA]

19. Sick

[ileus]

14. Issues with both...poor muzzle and trigger control.

Top picture: Kid in the middle has poor muzzle control of his BB gun (pointed at Left Kid)
Top picture: kid on the left would be better suited having his pointed to his right.
Top Picture: Two outside kids and maybe the middle kid all have their fingers on the trigger.


Bottom: Both girls have their fingers on the trigger.




Probably all 6 could use more instruction time and better mentors in gun safety.

[Hoyt]

75. All 6 should not have been introduced to gunz by daddy at such an early age.

[AtheistCrusader]

146. *shrug*

I was introduced at 6. I had better trigger discipline too.

[Hoyt]

157. And where did that get you?

[AtheistCrusader]

158. So far, a lifetime of no mistakes with a firearm.

[Leopolds Ghost]

16. I have a problem with the top photo.

They're not well-enough armed to defend themselves against the marauding kids in the second photo.



If I supported guns* I would recommend the Fluttershy AAC "Honey Badger" Rifle for all your "defending against Robot Santa" needs.

* which I do not

[redruddyred]

18. I think the white kids are the bigger assholes.

I immediately assume that they are the progeny of nra thugs.
where does that put me?

[hack89]

23. What does the first picture say about the parents? Nt

[redruddyred]

28. want to spend some more time on themselves prolly

free of those pesky kids.
#juvieisforblackkids
#xtremesarcasm

[Ken Burch]

30. why ask that just of the FIRST picture?

[hack89]

43. Because the poster I am replying to ignored it

I was wondering if it was a reflection of the parents just like the second picture. I personally have no problem with either picture.

[BobbyBoring]

161. What does the second?

n/t

[hack89]

162. Same as the first I would imagine

I was just asking because the poster I am replying to had something negative to say about the parents of the white kids but had nothing to say about the parents of the black kids. I was wondering why.

[Eleanors38]

53. So you went for THAT stereotype?

[Dr. Strange]

61. That would put you in the asshole category.

Why would the kids being progeny of nra thugs make THEM assholes?

[redruddyred]

168. cos I was one of them. ok maybe not nra.

it's pretty easy to brainwash kids as it turns out.

[HappyMe]

20. The boys would probably get shot

because of the bb guns. The blond kids - not so much.

[hack89]

21. Your last sentence is the gun control movement in a nutshell

Ban certain guns because they look scary while ignoring the guns that actually kill the most people (in this case the handgun in the top picture).

[hack89]

22. I feel sad the kids in the top picture can't afford better weapons

Wealth inequality manifests itself in many ways - this is just one more.

[ileus]

25. They may be citizens of a Chicago or NY.

Of course there's plenty of areas in the country where 2A rights have been taken away besides those two.


There are also plenty of townships where air rifles are also illegal.


Sad indeed when rights are given up so easily...

[Leopolds Ghost]

33. Sad indeed for kids to lose their 2A rights. *sniff*

Why, it's the very meaning of Christmas!

[yeoman6987]

72. I think the two pictures are unfair by a lot

In the first picture if the boys were smiling like the second picture it would have been a better overall message. The girls were allowed to smile. I am assuming the same photographer took the same pictures.

[bvf]

26. Striking. n/t.

As another poster pointed out, it's easy to have a problem with both pics, but the point is well taken.

Maybe a christmas tree behind the first trio would help.

[Eleanors38]

58. Stereotypes are that way. And both pics are.

[Stellar]

27. BB guns or air rifles...

they don't look dangerous but could still get them killed for holding them, unfortunately.

Growing up in the 50's, my brothers wanted to be Roy Rogers or the Lone Ranger (and Superman), and my dad thought nothing about getting them the 2 guns that they wanted Santa to bring them. My how times have changed.

[Gothmog]

31. Great picture

[Township75]

32. I guess the top photo could use a little more Christmas spirit, but overall they are good

Bit the kid in the center of the top photo needs a lesson on gun safety given he is pointing it at someone and has his finger on the trigger. If you don't have a problem with that then you are an asshole!

[Eleanors38]

45. Yeah, where's the Christmas tree? I also wonder

if the kids in the top photo had received guns for Christmas, as seems apparent in the bottom photo, wouldn't they be smiling? I don't know of any kid who gets his first gun from a parent who isn't happy. The photos don't exhibit safe gun handling.

[AtheistCrusader]

147. I've seen this photo before. It could have been shot any time of the year, really.

Plenty of events/reasons to do this sort of photo. Last time I did one with the in-laws, it was one person's birthday.

[Mike Nelson]

37. I don't like either photo...

... don't care about the smiles.

[krispos42]

38. The guy in red is pointing the pistol at his brother.

Past that, not really.

[Martin Eden]

39. The black kids aren't smiling, and it's hard to discern the context

The photos aren't an equivalent comparison on many levels, and I have a problem with both.

If the black kids are unhappy because they need guns to survive in their neighborhood, I think they'd have different weapons than the guns they're holding. The photo looks contrived.

On the other hand, the photo with the smiling white kids is very believable as a real family photo at Christmastime in NRA Teapublicana. These kids were probably raised to believe that assault weapons designed for killing human beings are flag-waving patriotic and not in the least contradictory to being a morally upright Christian.

Whether the photos are contrived or not, both are disturbing in what they represent or are intended to represent. Kids in impoverished neighborhoods are routinely killed by other kids with guns, whether targeted by gangs or in the way of a stray bullet. Their circumstances (including gang members) are tragic. But the happy smiling faces of children holding assault rifles designed to kill human beings represents a cultural psychopathy that I find much more frightening.

[Eleanors38]

47. Maybe both photos promote sterotypes?

All you have to do is select your favorite one.

[Martin Eden]

80. They do, to an extent.

But a stereotype of black kids with guns would have them looking more like gangstas with an attitude, instead of looking sad and holding weapons atypical of urban gangs. Admittedly my post had an element of nitpicking, but then I expressed my views independent of the crafting and intent of the photos.

I will say the OP has a valid point in regards to the general public perception of the subject matter. Black kids with guns are seen as more of a threat and associated with crime. The point was to point out such stereotyping.

[Helen Borg]

41. Dunno. Average RGB value is much higher in the second photo. Is that it?

[99Forever]

42. All that have a gun fetish are sickos.

Especially those that spread that evil sickness to children.

[Eleanors38]

48. I think you can name names on DU, per the post

upstream. Evidently, it's not a violation of GD's TOS. When it comes to guns.

[99Forever]

50. I'll pass on call outs. A no class way to be, regardless of TOS.

Besides, the sickos know who they are.

[Eleanors38]

59. Never noticed pro-2A "sickos" in this thread.

I'll refer this to the Coy Department.

[99Forever]

62. Sorry, but...

... huh? WTF is that supposed to mean?

[Eleanors38]

68. Well, goodness, whatever happened?

[99Forever]

71. Ahhh...

... stinkbait. No thanks. Have a nice day.

[Eleanors38]

86. May the cats rise to the occasion!

[morningfog]

132. I love how bent the gun fuckers get every time they are criticized. So cute and hilarious.

[Eleanors38]

165. Hate ain't what it used to be on the innertube. Anonymous. Cheap...

Never seen anyone "fuck" guns. Where have you seen this? Reno?

[morningfog]

166. Hate? Lol. Poor fragile things.

"Gun fuckers" describes more than those who fuck guns, although there are those. It includes regular fuckers who vehemently defend gun ownership and gun obssession.

[Eleanors38]

167. Oh, rooty toot-toot. Phhh.

[cwydro]

51. One of the kids in the top photo is pointing his gun at the other kid.

So I have a problem with that.

But both pictures are disturbing and wrong.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

54. If you do not have a problem with both these photos, you are terrifying.

One American in 10,000 is shot to death every year; many more are non-fatally shot.

[EX500rider]

69. Well that seems unlikely..

....seeing how the overall homicide rate in the US for all deaths is only 4.7 per 100,000 which breaks down to .47 per 10,000.
For guns alone it would be a even smaller number.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[Donald Ian Rankin]

73. Roughly 30,000 - 35,000 gun deaths per year in a population of 350,000,000.

Splitting roughly equally into murders, suicides and accidents.

If your figure is correct, that would imply that very roughly two out of every three murders in America are committed using guns, which doesn't sound grossly implausible - it may by out by a factor of 2, but not by an order of magnitude.

[EX500rider]

109. "One American in 10,000 is shot to death every year"

Shot to death would imply murder, not suicide.

2012: 8,855 gun homicides. (per FBI stats)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

Suicides: The overall US suicide rate is actually lower them many other developed countries as seen in this graph here:



"Splitting roughly equally into murders, suicides and accidents" Not really...

19,990 gun suicides..
8,855 gun murders..
591 accidental gun deaths..


Suicides rates: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
All suicides
Number of deaths: 39,518
Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.7
Cause of death rank: 10
Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 19,990
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.4
Suffocation suicides
Number of deaths: 9,913
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.2
Poisoning suicides
Number of deaths: 6,564
Deaths per 100,000 population: 2.1

Accidental gun deaths: 591 in 2011, the CDC says.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/04/how-often-do-children-in-the-u-s-unintentionally-shoot-and-kill-people-we-dont-know/

[Donald Ian Rankin]

123. No, "shot to death" implies death by shooting.

There's a reason I didn't say "shot to death by someone else".

[EX500rider]

124. yeah try that some time in a sentence..

"OMG, so & so was shot to death yesterday!" "Oh no!, who did it?" 'He shot himself..." "WHAT!?"

And blaming guns for suicides is like blaming tall buildings or bridges people jump off....."bridges killed x number of people last year!"....no, they didn't.

[AtheistCrusader]

150. I also like to refer to suicide by hanging as 'Rope Violence'.

Because

But people move the needle on politics with such hyperbole, and get away with it every day.

[AtheistCrusader]

149. Um, no. 9-10k is murders. Most of the rest is suicides. Accidents aren't even 1k.

Suicides by far, are the #1 way to die by firearm in the US.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

Murder by firearm accounts for 1% of the total mortality for the United States every year. (Meaning, of ALL the people that die in a given year in the US, falls, car accidents, guns, natural causes, etc, 1% were killed with a gun of some sort.)

[Enthusiast]

55. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[lonestarnot]

57. Both are fucking ridiculous.

[gollygee]

63. The photo is supposed to be about racist stereotypes

Not a plea for the gun rights folks to scream about gun rights. If you dislike both, or are fine with both, you aren't who the meme is about.

It's about the difference in how white people with guns and people of color with guns are seen. The reason why an African American kid with a bb gun gets shot 1.5 seconds after a cop car pulls up, but white people can walk into Target and Starbucks with guns.

[MrMickeysMom]

64. Yes… that's a no-brainer, but I had a BIGGER question...

Why wasn't the same "concern" or 911 call made when all those tea-baggers showed a few years ago at a protest during the presidential race with REAL guns strapped in plain view?

What was the non-issue, non-police intervention difference THEN?

[elleng]

65. No, but YOU are looking for a fight.

Both photos are problematic, both sets of guns are confrontational, white or black and frowns or smiles or bee bee guns or not.

Golly gee, imagine that!

[Enthusiast]

66. Something no one mentioned.........

The white kids are holding assault military style weapons designed to kill human beings.

The black kids are holding hunting rifles except for the center kid. I don't know what the center kid is holding, maybe a pellet gun.

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. A couple of people have mentioned that difference between the guns.

[hack89]

135. The black kid in the center is holding the gun that kills far more people than any other gun

While the white kids are holding guns that are seldom used to kill people.

[Shrek]

77. Nothing wrong with either photo n/t

[Logical]

84. Except they look really really stupid. nt

[Drahthaardogs]

81. They all look like idiots to me.

This coming from a guy who grew up on a ranch and guns and hunting were simply a part of life. I was always taught EVERY gun was LOADED. Guns were always treated with respect -- almost to the point of reverence.

These idiots who treat them like toys- that's the problem here. I think maybe it is because when I used a gun, I killed something with it. Be it an elk, or a steer or hog for butchering. I KNEW what guns were used for and posing in front of a Christmas tree like a bunch of dolts is NOT showing a firearm the proper respect.

[Logical]

82. Both photos are absolutely idiotic. LOL, I would make fun of the parents. nt

[Duckhunter935]

87. No

[libodem]

89. My thoughts exactly

I have thought about those Teabag assholes bringing loaded firearms to public rallies and getting a pass by the media and law enforcement.

I've also thought that if the Furgeson protesters cut some eyeholes in a sheet to wear to the protests they would also have a free pass.

Then I have to process in my wee brain what kind of a coward hides under a sheet to look like a ghost?

Oh, yeah, Darren Wilson's type.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

90. Given our history, both 200 yrs ago and 3 DAYS ago, the African American kids

might have a more substantial and realistic reason to own guns.

[War Horse]

93. I have problems with both pics, like many here

But the second one probably more than the first. Kids posed like that to take a pic with (presumably real) semi autos is just sick. That has nothing to do with teaching anyone how to use firearms for hunting or anything like that, it's just pure gun porn. I was taught how to use a shotgun when I was 13 or 14. I have several relatives who hunt, and I grew up with it (on one side of the family). But the thought of posing for a picture with a firearm, or viewing it as anything other than a tool? Or even worse, having your kids pose for a pic with a gun? That's always been a concept I've never been able to understand.

[Nye Bevan]

94. I hate seeing kids with guns, and I hate seeing guns around kids.

Not a racial issue for me.

[Spirochete]

95. The first picture

looks like they're pointing their guns at each other. Aside from that, both pics are lame.

[Igel]

96. If you think they're really equivalent for judging,

then you really like manipulation.

I really dislike manipulation.

Even when it's called "framing" (a bit of Orwellian, linguistic manipulation).

[Earth_First]

97. Nice trigger discipline in both photographs. nt

[Rex]

98. I have a problem with this non-stop worshiping of the gun.

One thing that is so fucked up about America is our love for death machines.

[Vinca]

108. Both photos bother me, but the one on the bottom especially irks me.

This family of cherubic-looking children is obviously celebrating a Christian holiday. Who in their right mind celebrates the birth of someone known as the "Prince of Peace" with freaking high-powered weaponry? Fools. When little Bobby accidently blows away middle sister the parents will act surprised.

[DeadLetterOffice]

110. None of those kids look like they've been taught how to safely hold a weapon

Fingers OFF THE TRIGGERS you bloody idiots...

[LittleBlue]

111. I don't have a problem with either one

Hopefully their parents are near to make sure those guns are not loaded.

[workinclasszero]

112. Cop sees people on bottom photo as citizens exercising their right to bear arms...no problem

They see the people in the top photo as ghetto thug animals...shoot to kill and ask questions later...or not.

Its called racism.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

113. Don't like either pic

Bottom pic I mostly dislike what the photo says. This is a "Merry Christmas" present? bah Stupid way to raise kids. Not a culture I appreciate, and I say that as someone who was raised in a hunting culture that I'm fine with. That is NOT what this photo is saying, however. Of course, it doesn't help that the kids are all blonde and my brain registered "Arian."

Top photo - dislike, as well. Why such expressions on their faces? Trying to look tough because this is what a black kid is supposed to look like? Sad.

[NYC_SKP]

114. Except for placement of fingers on triggers, I have no problem with either picture.

But I think I get what the picture is getting at.

[world wide wally]

115. The best way to get the NRA to change their lobbying policies is to open a string of chain

stores across the country in only black neighborhoods and call it 'Guns-R-Us"

[jmowreader]

117. I love the top one

The "why the hell are you making me do this?" expression on their faces is just priceless.

The kid holding the AK-47 in the bottom picture looks like he's posing for the "most likely to commit a mass shooting" picture in his junior high yearbook. The two girls are a little unsettling too.

[1monster]

118. I have a problem with both photos. Kids and guns do not mix.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

119. The ones at the bottom NEED those guns because of the ones at the top....

Right?

[marble falls]

120. Good stuff and exactly the right question, and the right answer.

[pnwmom]

122. It's okay to carry guns as long as you have a crazy smile on your face.

[ncjustice80]

125. I have more of a problem with the bottom onw to be honest.

Top photos have what looks like pellet guns or maybe small calibre weapons for killing varmits.
Bottom photo has military grade assault weapons!!!

[Duckhunter935]

126. What is

a military grade assault weapon?

I highly doubt they are but they do look like them (scary) but function the exact same as this one

[sarisataka]

127. I'm not an asshole!

At least according to this test.

I dislike comparisons that use stereotypes to attempt knee-jerk reactions. There is tacit racism in using such photos. Why not switch the boys and girls while keeping the settings the same. Asking the question when reversing the stereotype would be far more profound.

Others have already covered issues with muzzle awareness and trigger discipline.

[Skittles]

129. no, they both make me sick

[bearssoapbox]

130. The biggest problem I have is with the 'crazy eyes' on the kids in the bottom pic.

Not to mention those creepy smiles.



We've seen them before.







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[postatomic]

131. I guess I'm an asshole

Both pictures really fucking creep me out. I really don't see any point being made here. Or, at least, not the intended point. Whatever the fuck that might be.

[tularetom]

133. I have a problem with anybody posing with their fingers inside the trigger guard

Two (possibly all three) of the people in the first picture and all of those in the second picture are doing so.

Even though the black kids all appear to be holding air guns, it should never be done.

[Orrex]

134. I don't like that the kid in the ball cap is pointing his gun at the kid to his left

Other than that, I find the grins in the bottom picture creepier than the serious faces in the top one.

[bobclark86]

136. Stupid assault weapons...

"Look at me, I can't handle the recoil of anything bigger than a woodchuck gun! Oh, and I can't work a bolt-action, either!"

Oh, wait. Now I'm an asshole. Do I have to have a problem with the kids with the BB guns?

[petronius]

137. I have a problem with neither, so I guess I'm not an asshole!

[tooeyeten]

138. Kids with guns

Sometimes have very bad endings.

[SylviaD]

139. I think guns should be illegal and confiscated. n/t

[flvegan]

148. I have a problem with DU using race as an agenda.

Lets see: (I'll use BK for black kids and WK for white kids)

BK: Look upset
WK: Look happy

BK: Appear to have inferior weapons
WK: Firepower!!!!

BK: Environment (surroundings, clothes, etc) seems more "down" than the...
WK: Look at that tree, that house, the blonde hair and white teeth and preppy clothes! *squee*

So: If you try to draw political support based on two unrelated photos posted together to draw a response, you're an asshole.

Grow up.

[Man from Pickens]

151. I have a problem with both photos

Fingers belong off triggers unless you've already lined up a target and are about to fire. Firearms safety 101, folks. The boy in the center of the top photo and the girl in white on the bottom are both doing it wrong.

[Bethany Rockafella]

153. I have a problem with both

But I understand what your point is.

[olddots]

154. I think both pictures are poorly lit

The composition needs work and who did make up and hair ? Disgustingly amature .......

[joeglow3]

155. For me, it comes down to intentions

I had some friends who did trap shooting in high school and college. I also know some people who enjoy hunting (and have one family member who relies on hunting to feed their family). If people take pictures as it relates to this, I don't have a problem. It sure as shit isn't something I would do, bit I really don't see it as any different than anyone else taking pictures of their hobbies.

If they use guns for any purpose beyond those and are taking these pictures, I see it as nothing more than an attempt to intimidate. Now, I know dick about hunting guns or trap shooting guns (or any guns), so I would give both pictures the benefit of the doubt.

[loyalsister]

159. I dislike both

The smiles in the bottom photo really creep me out, though.