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Tab

(11,093 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 03:31 PM Nov 2014

General warning for those in nasty snowfall regions

I grew up in northern New England and we see this every year.

- Parent puts kids in cars and warms up the engine
- Parent starts digging car out of snow
- Parent finds kids dead in the car.

Reason:
- Parent didn't clear out the exhaust first so it'd exhaust into the air. Instead it backed up into the car.

Always clear your exhaust first before running car and/or putting people (or pets) in it.

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General warning for those in nasty snowfall regions (Original Post) Tab Nov 2014 OP
Good advice..k and r. Stuart G Nov 2014 #1
Happy to rec, so others can see this important advice. n/t dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #2
K&R Grey Nov 2014 #3
K&R for EXPOSURE! ReRe Nov 2014 #4
Good point...but leave the kids in the house and you have no worries... Moostache Nov 2014 #5
Thanks! lib87 Nov 2014 #6
k&r hedgehog Nov 2014 #7
while I appreciate your post, I've never heard of a case like this cali Nov 2014 #8
. greyl Nov 2014 #9
sorry, I should have said I've never heard of a case like this up here cali Nov 2014 #17
And if possible stay home. 47of74 Nov 2014 #10
Thanks. But growing up in the Midwest, where the snow is even deeper... FailureToCommunicate Nov 2014 #11
kicked and recommended greatlaurel Nov 2014 #12
For what it's worth, I've never even heard of that happening, so it must SheilaT Nov 2014 #13
Yeah laundry_queen Nov 2014 #19
Believe it or not it can happen in the home too. kag Nov 2014 #14
My parents would go out & start the car TBF Nov 2014 #15
Never have I been happier to live in my fucked up Florida, than after reading this. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #16
But don't forget sunscreen and mosquito repellant. Divernan Nov 2014 #20
Remote start the vehicle from the house..... Socal31 Nov 2014 #18
And don't forget MITTENS! Divernan Nov 2014 #21
Another that's often forgotten. Very easy to dyhyderate in the winter. n/t sarge43 Nov 2014 #22
have lived in WI and MN all my life-- ginnyinWI Nov 2014 #23
Just last year (for those who think it never happens) Tab Nov 2014 #24

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
4. K&R for EXPOSURE!
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:12 PM
Nov 2014

Does that happen up there allot? That is a horrible tragedy. Another thing that people who are new to the territory need to know: If you have little ones, find a deadbolt lock for your doors that is too hard for a child to turn. They will walk right out of the house to play in the snow, unbeknownst to you if you're in the laundry room folding clothes, shoeless and coatless. By the time you discover they are outside, well you know the end of the story.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
5. Good point...but leave the kids in the house and you have no worries...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

I would NEVER put an unattended child in a running automobile for any length or time or reason. If you're running late, so be it. Arriving late is better than inviting tragedy. Shovel the drive, leave the kids in the house and then take the extra 30 seconds to retrieve the child after the drive is clear, the car is warm and the environment is not going to kill them...

lib87

(535 posts)
6. Thanks!
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 04:29 PM
Nov 2014

I forgot about the horror stories happening with families until I read this post. I would have never thought to clear the tailpipe area because I am not familiar with heavy snow dangers in NC.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. while I appreciate your post, I've never heard of a case like this
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 05:41 PM
Nov 2014

and I live in northern Vermont.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,026 posts)
11. Thanks. But growing up in the Midwest, where the snow is even deeper...
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:10 PM
Nov 2014

the kids would be outside the car shoveling as well (to find the car).

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
12. kicked and recommended
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

Thanks for the reminder. Also, if you get stuck in the snow on the road, be sure to make sure the tail pipe is clear, before you run your car to get warmed up.

CO is very insidious. It is invisible and odorless, so it sneaks up on people.

Great post, Tab.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
13. For what it's worth, I've never even heard of that happening, so it must
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 06:35 PM
Nov 2014

be pretty rare. Fortunately.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
19. Yeah
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:22 AM
Nov 2014

I'm in Canada and I don't remember hearing of this happening. Of course, it's entirely possible it HAS happened - I just don't remember hearing about it. It could be that most people here know to clear that area out if they are trying to keep warm in their car while it is encased in snow.

I DO hear about, however, toddlers walking out the door and freezing to death. When my kids were little, I was paranoid about it and one year when one of my kids was 17 months old, it seemed 2 or 3 17 month old toddlers perished that winter. The story was always the same: parent and child had a nap together, child woke up first and managed to open the door and walk out. The parents discovered the child outside far too late. In one case, the toddler survived because a neighbor spotted her in the snow...but she still lost her feet. For a few winters when my kids were little, I kept a bell on the door, as well as keeping the deadbolt locked at all times. Thankfully, I also had a dog that would bark like crazy at the slightest hind of a doorknob turning on an outside door. I still woke up in panic a few times when a child would disappear during a nap.

I also hear of kids being suffocated in snow tunnel collapses. Also, a few kids have died from a snow mountain collapse - basically those huge mounds of snow in parking lots are attractive to playing kids, but they can often collapse right on the kids when the kids are doing nothing more than sliding down them. Or kids drown when they walk on thin ice in the fall or spring. Lots of ways for kids to die in the snow and cold. I try to warn my kids about the dangers, but you never know if they are going to listen.

kag

(4,079 posts)
14. Believe it or not it can happen in the home too.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:14 PM
Nov 2014

When we had a "hundred-year" snowfall about ten years ago, and the exhaust pipe on our roof that released the carbon monoxide from our furnace was covered in snow. Fortunately, we had a carbon monoxide detector, and it activated. We opened some windows, and were able to dissipate the CO until enough snow melted on the roof to open up the exhaust chimney.

So...be careful. And invest in a detector. It really works.

TBF

(32,111 posts)
15. My parents would go out & start the car
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:18 PM
Nov 2014

shovel around or scrape off windows if needed & then come get us 10 minutes later to get in the car. You don't put kids in a cold car when the windchill is 40 below ... I grew up in Wisconsin. Sometimes we were lucky if the cars started in the morning even with engine blankets overnight.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
16. Never have I been happier to live in my fucked up Florida, than after reading this.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

Good luck up there guys, and be careful.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
20. But don't forget sunscreen and mosquito repellant.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:37 AM
Nov 2014

Those were 2 staples when I lived in Florida w/young kids.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
18. Remote start the vehicle from the house.....
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:08 AM
Nov 2014

Leave children inside until ready to go?

Not something we think about here! Good to know OP.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
21. And don't forget MITTENS!
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:43 AM
Nov 2014

Every winter I see young parents with their kids - even infants - all bundled up in snow suits and hats, but NO protection for their very tiny hands and fingers. Baby's tiny fingers, toes, ears, chin and nose are particularly & quickly susceptible to frostbite.

What causes it: When you get cold, the blood vessels in your extremities constrict, sending blood to your body's core to keep you warm. In extreme cold, some tissue can be completely cut off from its blood supply, at which point, it freezes and can become permanently damaged.

Protecting your baby from frostbite before you leave the house may be your best defense against the elements. Try the following:

Fill up: Be sure to feed your baby a meal or snack before heading out in the cold — it takes a lot of calories to maintain body heat in frigid weather.
Cover up: A rain cover will keep wind and snow out of a stroller, and a fleece-lined stroller sack is great for keeping baby bundled for a short jaunt; still, no baby should be out in the very cold for long.
Layer up: Several layers of clothing are key (undershirt, shirt, sweatshirt, coat — cotton and fleece work particularly well), since they keep baby warmer and you can remove them one-by-one (say, once inside the car or supermarket). Hat, mittens, warm socks, boots, and a warm coat or snowsuit should be standard cold-weather gear.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
23. have lived in WI and MN all my life--
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:44 PM
Nov 2014

And we never warm up the car. You don't need to--you might want to accelerate slowly if it is below zero, or it will knock until it warms up.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
24. Just last year (for those who think it never happens)
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:10 PM
Nov 2014

February 9, 2013 8:43 PM Boston.com
Two die in carbon monoxide poisoning incidents in Boston; police urge caution when digging cars out of snow

Boston police have issued a safety alert, warning residents about the need to shovel snow away from a car’s exhaust pipe before starting a car after three incidents that left two people dead and two young children injured as residents dug out from the Blizzard of 2013.

A 14-year-old boy suffered fatal carbon monoxide poisoning on Nazing Street this morning when he went inside a running car to keep warm while his father shoveled, police spokesman Cheryl Fiandaca said.

In the second incident, on Woolson Street in Mattapan this afternoon, a man was found dead inside a car with a tailpipe that investigators believe was blocked by snow, allowing buildup of the deadly gas, she said.

In the third incident, a brother and sister, ages 4 and 7, were found unconscious shortly before 5 p.m. inside a car at 156 Porter St. in East Boston, where they were trying to keep warm. They were rushed to a hospital and treated for carbon monoxide poisoning. Police said the children are expected to survive.

“People have not seen this much snow in a long time. They’re not focused on making sure they clear the snow from the exhaust pipe before putting anyone inside,” said Fiandaca. “Carbon monoxide fills the car pretty quickly…People are not focused on it when they are shoveling.”

In the Nazing Street incident, which happened at about 11:40 a.m., the boy was taking a break from shoveling out from the blizzard.

After the boy and his father had cleared the passenger side of the sedan, the boy got cold and sought refuge in the running sedan whose tailpipe was covered by a snow bank, Boston fire spokesman Steve MacDonald said. The car filled with carbon monoxide, and the father continued to shovel; the boy became sick and stopped breathing.

Firefighters found the boy in cardiac arrest receiving CPR from two neighbors, MacDonald said. The father, possibly because of distress, then went into respiratory arrest, MacDonald said.

The boy was only in the car for 10 to 15 minutes, but the car was covered with snow and the colorless deadly gas could not escape through the muffler, said Jennifer Mehigan, a spokeswoman for Boston EMS.

The boy was revived by the neighbors, paramedics, and firefighters, but was pronounced dead at Boston Medical Center, MacDonald said. The father was also taken to BMC and is in serious condition with a heart issue, Fiandaca said..

“This is definitely a tragic incident and something that we hate to see, especially when we believe it is avoidable,” said Mehigan.

In the second incident, at about 4:40 p.m., a man was found dead inside a car.

MacDonald said firefighters found the man on Woolson Street sitting in a car with the engine running.

“Neighbors told us the guy was in the car since 11 a.m Saturday morning. They broke the window and there was no response,” MacDonald said. The man was pronounced dead at the scene.


And that's just last year. We get this about every other year.
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