Wilson is guilty of bad police work, not murder.

[davishenderson265]

Perhaps negligent homicide.

Missouri has very loose laws about when a cop can use deadly force. In truth, officer Wilson should not have confronted him after the initial fight, until he had back up.

Leaving Brown s body on the ground for four hours was abomidable.

The grand jury process was a joke. Even Nancy Grace says she has never seen a grand jury operate on the manner they did.

[gollygee]

1. Hard to know without a trial

If he was angry because Michael Brown said something that pissed him off and he responded in anger and gunfire, I'd call that 2nd degree murder. But it could be lousy negligent police work, maybe. Too bad there won't be a trial so we can find out.

Murdering people on the job is certainly bad police work.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

22. A trial is *not* what you have "to find out the truth".

A criminal trial is what you have after the prosecutors have decided that they are certain enough someone is guilty that they have a good chance of convincing a jury that they are guilty "beyond all reasonable doubt".

And even if you viewed a trial an investigative tool, it wouldn't tell you if the suspect was innocent or guilty - the verdicts a jury can return are "guilty beyond all reasonable doubt" and "there is reasonable doubt of guilt", not "guilty" or "innocent".

A criminal trial is not a substitute for an enquiry or investigation, it's an prelude to punishment. The way the criminal justice system works is that you only try someone if you're pretty certain they're guilty - very trials end in acquittals, not because they system is rigged, but because the cases where acquittal is likely don't get prosecuted.

By all means argue that Wilson is almost certainly guilty, and should therefore be tried and convicted. But arguing for a trial as a way of finding out the truth is either misguided or disingenuous.

[icymist]

34. Then what was the Zimmerman trial about?

The way the criminal justice system works is that you only try someone if you're pretty certain they're guilty - very trials end in acquittals, not because they system is rigged, but because the cases where acquittal is likely don't get prosecuted.

Seems to me that the prosecuting attorney didn't get the meme on that one.

[RobertEarl]

38. Warren is guilty... duh!

He is guilty of shooting an unarmed man.

Don't know what Donald is on about..... a trial is the best way we have to find the truth about what else Wilson is guilty of.

As it stands, Wilson has been denied justice being that he has not been offered a fair trial.

[BootinUp]

2. But he killed a hulking demon, some would say that was good police work. nt

[Xipe Totec]

3. And Manson was guilty of inadequate surgical practice. nt

[CatWoman]

4. THIS THREAD

needs more cowbell

[gollygee]

5. this thread

just got a lot better with the addition of your post and the one it's replying to.

LOL

[BootinUp]

6. mine was just sarcasm

but yes number 3 was much better. lol.

[CatWoman]

8. ...

[madinmaryland]

7. No. No it doesn't. It needs more of this...

[CatWoman]

10. awww

you hear about Mr. Biscuits?

http://pussingtonpost.com/mr-biscuits-severely-injured-in-car-engine-making-great-recovery/

[Starry Messenger]

9. I didn't realize police work included personal exorcism

and public execution.

[djean111]

11. Yes, doubtless he needed to be a better shot and not used up all those bullets.

Why, another cop only needed one shot the other day!
IMO Wilson was angry and that's why Brown was killed and that, to me, is manslaughter.

[Rex]

12. Wrong.

He at least would be charged with manslaughter and his defense attorney knew it. Oh I mean the prosecutor.

[Electric Monk]

13. Weren't you arguing here yesterday that some people just need to be killed? I'm sensing a pattern.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5884182

[AverageJoe90]

17. I'm not seeing a connection here.

Come back when you have more proof......

[davishenderson265]

21. Yes I was.

And the point is? Are you really this incapable of objectivity?

[TBF]

14. "abominable" ~

enjoy your stay

[John1956PA]

15. Wilson's bad police work propelled the incident to its foreseeable tragic result.

Wilson struck Michael Brown with the car door. Wilson knew from his previous encounter with Michael Brown that the young man was acting in a defiant manner as most of us men have acted at some point at his age. Wilson also knew that Michael Brown probably was the perpetrator at the convenience store and that he probably would resist arrest. When Michael Brown made a poor decision to resist Wilson after being struck with the door, a tussle resulted and Wilson drew his weapon. I think that Michael Brown tried to push the weapon away when it discharged. I think that Wilson could have prevented that event if he had radioed for backup and parked his car in a position outside of the personal contact zone.

[AverageJoe90]

16. I wish I could be so optimistic.

But, TBH, I'm afraid this definitely looks like a murder, at least to me, and I don't think I'm alone in saying that.....of course, I'll admit that it's possible that you may be right, but it just doesn't look that way, based on what we know.

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. To take a comment from another delightful thread of yours...

I'd rather spend the night in a cell or my home with Michael Brown over Darren Wilson. He is just the kind of person you describe as an "animal." He had no respect for human life when he took Michael's life without need.

[Hekate]

19. Christ on a trailer hitch. Who are you?

[davishenderson265]

20. Arrogance..

A bit like the wing nuts.. You can't tell them a thing.

[Spazito]

24. LOL it seems you are confused, talking to yourself or....

.......something.

[MineralMan]

26. You are replying to yourself.

While I agree, I doubt that was you intention. Irony rules.

[Warren Stupidity]

31. Wilson would be one of those "complete animals" in your other rightwing opus

that you think need to be exterminated.

[Judi Lynn]

23. "Guilty of bad police work." Brilliant. "Good" police work would have meant killing the friend, too?

Racism blinded eyes.

No place at D.U.

[MineralMan]

25. Only a trial can determine that.

You are not competent to make that judgment. A young man is dead at that cop's hand. We need atrial to determine what to call it, not some random person on DU.

[Savannahmann]

27. Pfui.

A police officer has a belt around his/her waist upon which is contained enough stuff that Batman would ask what it was all for. Besides the handgun, there is a collapsible baton, pepper spray, and often although not always, a taser. Officer Wilson was trained, and experienced with five years on the job. Yet the idea of using less than lethal force never entered into his mind. It was as if he was nothing more than a Hollywood caricature sheriff of the 1860's, with nothing but a pistol in his bag of tricks. He had the training, supposedly, and the experience, supposedly, to choose not to end a life. But he was gunning for the individual who dared to disrespect him. He knew what boxes to check, afeared of my life. Had no choice. Demon and all that sort of hookum.

It may not have been murder, but it was absolutely criminal. It was absolutely manslaughter. It was a travesty of justice, and it was another nail in the coffin of police respect. Now, all the boys and girls in blue have is fear, and that is rapidly slipping away too. So while police feel safe behind the thin blue lie, the public is waking up a little at a time. A few here, a few there.

A quarter of the public thought that Darren Wilson should have been indicted. Do you realize how many more that was than any other killing not caught on video? In the meantime, more than half the people want the Police to surrender all that military equipment, the abuses they've seen of that are making them angry. So even those who agree with you, want the helmets, rifles, and body armor to be loaded into the armored tank and taken away from the cops.

How many more incidents can the cops get away with before the public turns on them en masse?

[daleanime]

30. Amen....

even my old conservative, former duty-sheriff father is disgusted by this. We agree on this and we don't agree on much.

[cheyanne]

35. Wilson initiated a confrontation with Brown.

He didn't get out of his car to talk to them like reasonable person. After all, it was jaywalking. If Wilson knew about the robbery, this is not the way to confront a suspect. But in either case, it was Wilson's duty to de-escalate any response from Brown. Brown may have been angry and abusive, he wasn't armed and dangerous. And Wilson knew it.

By staying in his car, Wilson also put himself in a dangerous situation which should be apparent to any policeman. As he explained he couldn't reach his billy club or tazer because of the situation he himself created.

Totally bad police work. It gives the impression of the actions of an invading army over a conquered population.

The escalation to violence was Wilson's fault.

The shooting was only the climax of his bad decisions.

[daleanime]

28. I don't care what the laws 'allows' him to do....

it's still wrong.

[bigwillq]

29. Wilson murdered Brown, imo. (nt)

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

33. Minimum voluntary manslaughter, but we will never see justice, will we...more of this to come

much more.

stay tuned

[PDJane]

32. Nope. He's guilty of murder, he just got away with it.

[morningfog]

36. TROLOLOLOLOL!!!

[CatWoman]

37. ...

[elias49]

40. That is bizarre! nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. This thread = just another attempt to deny that a racist asshole killed another black

kid in cold blood. Trashing this asinine crap.