1 turkey leg has 1100 calories and 44 grams of heart killing animal saturated fat.

[Veganhealedme]

Wonder why so many feel the need to take a nap after that meal?

I went for a 5 mile jog after pigging out on organic fruit on thanksgiving.

Food that makes you sleepy is heart killing food that is killing you.

Food should NEVER make you tired. It should energize you.

Aware of the slaughterhouse conditions where these often sick animals are butchered?

[Cali_Democrat]

1. What are the slaughterhouse conditions like?

[Sunlei]

238. don't think USA poultry have any regulations for humane slaughter conditions.

Food/worker safety for humans yes,

[justiceischeap]

283. Are you really curious?

If so, I can post video after video after video of inhumane slaughter practices, along with those working in the slaughterhouses abusing the animals prior to slaughtering them.

[Ykcutnek]

2. Needs more bacon.

[NYC_SKP]

6. Can you actually do that?

It looks delicious!

[catnhatnh]

156. Not only can you-it has benefits...

I ignored the lattice weaving and just entirely covered the entire exposed surface of the bird (after seasoning the skin to taste) and removed the bacon after the first two hours. The bacon was cooked without being overdone and the skin browned and crisped perfectly during the rest of the bake.

Now I had a beautiful bird and prepped bacon for turkey club sandwiches from the leftovers. Also the pan drippings for the gravy were enhanced by the bacon grease rendered during cooking.

As to the pan drippings, there is one more thing I tried and liked-I now use about 1 1/2-2 cups of fresh apple cider as a liquid base in the pan and between the cider, drippings, and bacon fat I had the finest gravy I've ever made.

YMMV Best of luck...

[NYC_SKP]

164. It reminds me of one of my earliest easy to bake things.

I think I learned it at age 15, a take on chicken cordon bleu.

A breast, flattened, sour cream and chopped green onions for filling, and three strips of bacon laid out in a star.
Place breast on star, cream filling in the middle, form it into a ball with the bacon straps coming together at a toothpick in the top and bake til done.
The juices are to die for!

[catnhatnh]

173. They look great!

I'm going to have to try these.

And what better way to fix a veganazi rant than by turning it into a recipe exchange?

[JustAnotherGen]

226. I'm going to make those - Bacon Cordon Bleu

Yummy!

[Arkansas Granny]

247. I make something similar to this to put on the grill.

Pound chicken tenders to flatten them, season with salt and pepper or your favorite seasoning (or brush with bbq sauce), place a cube of pepper jack cheese on top. Wrap chicken around cheese, wrap bacon slice around chicken to complete cover the cheese and secure with a toothpick or skewer. Grill until the bacon is browned and crispy. You can brush with more sauce if you wish. These are quite a hit every time they are served.

[uppityperson]

277. Oh yum!!!!

[Thor_MN]

175. I use an apple cider maple syrup butter on the bird.

May have to try the bacon next year

[Veganhealedme]

7. Aware of the pork parasite?

ever seen these parasites in raw pork? There eggs aren't killed by the cooking process btw.

Ever seen the conditions at the slaughterhouse where you get your meat, or where your grocer gets there meat from?

Sick animal get processed along with the rest. Animals crammed into pens spreading disease and parasites to one another.

Part of why I gave up meat. And awoke to vitality. Something my former meat diet had robbed.

[MineralMan]

16. Which pork parasite?

Be specific, please.

[Odin2005]

29. ":There eggs aren't killed by the cooking process btw." This is a lie.

[cwydro]

103. It was also poorly spelled lol.

The OP may need to do some research.

[NYC_SKP]

169. The myth was that state law required pork chops be served with applesauce. worms or eggs.

Family myth.

State law.

[GGJohn]

96. Just like an ex-smoker,

there's nothing worse than an ex-meat eater that loves to preach to us meat eaters.

[Kali]

179. defend and protect?

I recognize your bullshit "facts."

*off to look for more ridiculous claims that you can't back up*

[Silent3]

253. I'm pretty sure when someone tells me that they "awoke to vitality"...

...that they've gone all goofy and I can stop listening there.

[LostInAnomie]

46. Careful now. That mouth watering, bacon wrapped bird...

... is probably loaded with heart killing animal fat. It might make you sleepy and you'll never be able to go on a 5 mile run afterward. Eat with caution.

[cwydro]

124. I go on my run before the meal.

Then eat and drink wine

[LostInAnomie]

135. I would run...

... but years of heart killing animal fat have rendered me too weak. All I can do now is take constant naps, sweat when I breathe, look at DU, curse myself for my meat eating diet, and pray for the sweet release of death. T'is the fate of all turkey leg eaters.

[Paulie]

148. Ah the meat sweats. I know what helps,

Ice cream with hand whipped cream. Cools you right down after the exhaustion caused by the turkey leg. But if too tired to whip the cream, just pour over.

[Thor_MN]

176. Much more effective with a slice of pecan pie adjuvant.

The combination of ice cream and whipped cream does work, but adding the pie increases the effect such that you forget all about the meat.

[d_r]

76. wow that seems like a good idea

and maybe stuff it with some sausage

[Hekate]

190. Mmmmm, bacon.

[LeftInTX]

205. And stuffed with pork tamales

[MineralMan]

3. You don't eat turkey legs.

Neither do I. I do eat turkey though. Why are you interested in what others eat? I don't get it. Eat what you like, and we'll do the same.

[enough]

10. Amen. (nt)

[Odin2005]

27. How do you know a person is a Vegan? They'll fucking tell you.

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Vegans are like religious fanatics.

EDIT: Jesus, people are talking this post WAY too seriously.

I should have put "a lot of vegans are religious fanatics".

[tammywammy]

31. Not all of them are.

I know a few and they're not jerks.

[antiquie]

34. Not all are proselytizers.

Honest

[still_one]

62. That is right, I am one example. It is an individual choice, and I have never pushed being

Vegetarian on anyone, including my wife and daughter, who aren't incidently

[Veganhealedme]

39. Why do flesh-eaters act like bullies? nt

[Odin2005]

45. Nice projection, there.

[tabbycat31]

51. They generally mind their own business

I have yet to meet a vegan who does the same. Live and let live.

(FTR I'm a flexitarian, I eat meat but rarely. You'd have to pry dairy out of my cold, dead, hands though).

[MicaelS]

54. Because Vegans act like religious fundies...

Always preaching, proselytizing and witnessing that their way is best, and if you don't do as they say, you're going to their version of Hell.

You don't want to eat meat, don't eat meat. But I ain't interested in hearing or reading your religious fervor and the way you just found your personal savior.

[Veganhealedme]

59. Wrong, flesh-eaters are the fanatics. nt

[MicaelS]

65. You're the one insulting people, not me.

Either that or you're just trolling looking to stir shit and people up.

[Prophet 451]

108. And that's just childish projection

[Duckhunter935]

111. I do not think so

They are not the ones coming here and insulting others

[snooper2]

242. YOU ARE CORRECT! Only a fanatic would make Korean BBQ Lasagna

EPIC MEAL TIME Beeyatches!

[uppityperson]

279. Well done. I thought your OP was serious but great satire posting! It is difficult to hit it just

right.

[Codeine]

121. Yeah, I've never done any of that shit.

Take your broad brush and shove it.

[SidDithers]

266. You're my favourite DU vegan...

Sid

[GGJohn]

100. Yeah, you're going to be a real blast here.

[Trajan]

239. There is one bully in this conversation

I can assure you - it's not that other poster ...

[Prophet 451]

53. I'd noticed that too

One of my SO's best friends is a militant vegan and continually posts stuff on Facebook outright lying about human diet (they claim humans are not natural omnivores but frugovores) and comparing meat eating to the holocaust. I am partly Roma (gypsy). You can imagine my reaction.

I can also remember posting about a new method of vat-growing meat. I forget the details now but essentially, it grew meat in a tank by basically cloning it. First response from vegans: You still shouldn't eat meat, even through teh animal has been completely removed from the process.

[Odin2005]

60. Wait, they are against lab-grown meat, too?

Jesus, that makes them even more insane than PETA, which actually supports research into artificial meat.

[Prophet 451]

70. They were when I posted it

I posted the news on a board on Beliefnet. IIRC, it wasn't artificial meat, it was real meat, but artificially cultured in a nutrient tank so it didn't involve an animal at any point.

[Silent3]

256. I'd love to learn more about vat-grown meat.

That's something I've speculated about for years now, wondering if the technology would be developed, and more importantly, become efficient enough with resources and energy to be worthwhile.

There'd be no suffering of animals, no need to waste caloric energy on bones and organs that won't be consumed. Sanitary conditions could probably be maintained without lots of antibiotics. Slash-and-burn for creating cattle raising land and the methane output from cows could both be greatly reduced.

I imagine, of course, there'd be a lot of cultural resistance at first, especially because vat-grown meat isn't "natural".

Given that it's highly unlikely, however, (in spite much energetic vegan preaching) that humans will ever give up eating meat, and a fair amount of it, I'd hope that healthy cultured meats (as measured by actual research data, not by preconceived notions) that were economically priced would eventually win people over.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

276. +1000

nothing worse than biting into gristle or rubbery veins. Bring on the culture-grown tissue.

[Prophet 451]

286. Well, here's one I could find quickly

The link is to a story about the prototype of such technologies. Future improvements would create cells by essentially cloning tissue rather than taking them from a living animal. And naturally, teh taste has to be fine-tuned. But it's an incredibly promising development and one I'd personally take part in (I have precisely zero "it's not natural" reservations). This wa just the first link I could find with a moment's Googling though, there's loads more out there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23576143

[Silent3]

289. Thanks.

I'll have to look into that later.

[MineralMan]

74. I have zero problems with vegans.

I think people should eat as they choose. I fee the same way about religion. People should believe as they are able to believe.

I have a problem with people telling me that I should eat or believe as they do. I think that's rude and obnoxious.

[Prophet 451]

82. Nor do I when they just get on with their own lives

but so many of them feel the urge to proselytize. That's what pisses me off.

[NuclearDem]

92. No. PETA is full of fanatics.

Not all vegans are PETA. In fact, quite a few vegans, myself included, despise PETA for a variety of reasons.

[jberryhill]

141. Sample bias

And the ones that don't tell you?

This is like marveling at all the medieval cathedrals which managed to stand up all these years.

The ones that didn't, aren't there.

[flvegan]

166. We are?

[Hekate]

188. My son and his wife are vegan at home, vegetarian when in company. As he says...

..."I try not to be an asshole about it."

But then they don't post at DU, either.

[MoonchildCA]

202. That is not a representation of all vegans.

Those are just the only ones you hear from, unfortunately...

[BootinUp]

101. Agreed but with some limits

not directed at you of course:

but please don't eat anyones family pet
or anyones family for that matter.

lol.

[Veganhealedme]

104. Poor public health leads to unaffordable national health care.

Standard American Diet = S.A.D.

The SAD diet, meat-based has made America one of the unhealthiest nations on this planet.

If we think that it is just greed that makes healthcare unaffordable then we're missing the boat.

A nation of sick people is what makes our healthcare unaffordable.

Do you really advocate for such a reckless stance?

You eat pork without researching the negative health effects of consuming these sick animals?

Then there is the whole slaughterhouse conditions and the animal cruelty part that I can't stomach.

[GGJohn]

112. Hey, here's a novel solution,

mind your own damn business, don't preach to others how or what they should be eating.

[yeoman6987]

182. I am totally cool with it.

Everyone in the United States is free to do as they please and that is why we are the United States of America. If you want to eat anything you want, I applaud it. I eat meat everyday and manage to stay healthy. It is probably because I add vegetables to my diet as well and keep carbs and sugar down. I have steak at least once a week. A ham sandwich everyday for lunch (at work). On weekends, it might be a burger from McD's or some other place. I have really good cholesterol and blood pressure is a tad low but not too bad. I think it depends on the individual. But I have NEVER told anyone what to eat and never will. As far as health costs, again we pay for our health care insurance so what is the big deal? I don't get subsidies and don't expect to ever have them. I pay my fair share and for others to have health care too....I think it is great to have choices.

[tridim]

248. As you and everyone else knows, the S.A.D. diet is CARB BASED

Are you ever honest about ANYTHING?

[AngryOldDem]

219. 'Zackly.

And everything in moderation. I watch what I eat pretty closely most of the year. It's nice to be able to put that aside for one day and just friggin' enjoy a well-cooked meal.

And, I too, ran on Thanksgiving. Mine was just a paltry 5-K, though, so I was a lazy slacker there too, I guess.

[Yavin4]

4. Eating fat does not make you fat

Carbs and sugar do.

http://drhyman.com/blog/2013/11/26/fat-make-fat/

http://www.eatnakednow.com/the-fat-question-why-fat-doesnt-make-you-fat/

[Capt.Rocky300]

22. Bingo!

[progressoid]

138. And sleepy.

[geardaddy]

288. +1 million n/t

[Marr]

301. Too many calories makes you fat.

Whether those calories come from fats, carbs, or proteins doesn't matter at all.

It is a lot easier to overeat with carby food, though-- because it tends to be very calorie-dense.

[pnwmom]

5. Who eats a whole turkey leg? Even a vegetarian could feel sleepy midday

if he grossly over-ate.

And tryptophan, the ingredient that is thought to make people sleepy, is an essential amino acid. Even vegetarians must get it in their diet. And do.

Also, vegetarians as just as capable as meat-eaters of choosing their foods badly. An overdose of starchy carbs and sugars isn't good for anyone.

http://www.med-health.net/Foods-High-In-Tryptophan.html

Foods High in Tryptophan


Amino acids help to create proteins that aid in neurotransmission messages to and from the brain. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid that plays a vital role in this process. Tryptophan is a precursor of 5-HTP or serotonin which is acquired from dietary sources. Tryptophan combines with vitamin B6, transforming into serotonin and niacin in the liver. This helps to improve blood circulation, enhance memory and lower cholesterol, making tryptophan an essential amino acid to improve your overall health.

Foods High in Tryptophan
It is generally recommended that healthy adults consume 3.5-6mg of L-tryptophan for every kilogram of body weight throughout the day but there is a variance of how much a specific individual will require. Include a variety of sources of L-tryptophan in your diet to avoid a potential deficiency of this nutrient that can lead to liver damage or inflammatory gastrointestinal disorders which will limit your ability to absorb the nutrient properly. This may lead to complications.

Listed below are foods known to be high in tryptophan:

SNIP

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. You do know eating a high fruit diet makes one susceptible to Pancreatic Cancer right?

Patrick Swayze and Steve Jobs....

[Recursion]

71. Sorry... are you actually saying veganism prevents AIDS?

Because if so you just went from "amusing" to "incredibly dangerous and worthy of scorn and contempt".

[Dorian Gray]

221. yep

[Agschmid]

227. Yup.

[sabbat hunter]

84. if you are

HIV + and not on meds, then you are stupid.

Eventually it will break thru if you do not take meds.

[Codeine]

123. From one vegan to another, a diet of fruit will fucking kill you over time.

Huge nutritional shortcomings.

And veganism won't cure AIDS. That's silly.

[Hekate]

198. Plus fruit-only is really high in sugars and will be plenty bad for diabetics.

[kelly1mm]

142. WOW - the GOP is not the only science deniers anymore. Veganism cures AIDS now? lol! nt

denier's

[Drahthaardogs]

163. I think.....

I think your parents gave you a genetically superior immune system , or
I think maybe you caught a less virulent strain of HIV,

I think gorillas in the wild and captivity die mostly from heart disease.
I think an all fruit diet is severly lacking in essential amino acids.
I think you exaggerated the calories in a turkey leg.

I especially think you are full of shit.

[jberryhill]

21. Who eats a whole turkey leg?

And here I was, thinking "Who eats just one?"

[yeoman6987]

8. Everyone knows they eat at least under 5000

Calories at Thanksgiving. I don't know many who eat a whole turkey leg. Strange example. I love turkey day almost as much as Christmas. We have leftovers for weeks. We freeze a lot and make meals out of it which saves money. By the way, you are 100 percent guaranteed to die. Nobody escapes. And healthy people die every single day.

[ScreamingMeemie]

11. Go team!

[elias49]

12. Not a whole lot of protein in a basket of fruit!

I'll take turkey, gravy (lots of gravy), potatoes, broccoli...what else?
I'm 62, my heart is fine. What can I say? To each his own.

[RebelOne]

44. I am 75, a vegetarian and my heart is fine also. n/t

[elias49]

49. Good deal! Hope I make 75! Just became a granddad!

I wanna see those little ones grow up!

[GGJohn]

109. I'm 67, a meat eater my whole life and my heart is fine also.

Matter of fact, my last annual physical was very good.

[Veganhealedme]

115. My friend Jeff died at the age of 41..

Heart attack due to high cholestorol numbers.

Lived on a nearly meat only diet.

Died of a sudden heart attack while working on the assembly line at a local factory.

His co-workers tried to revive him..

For every meat eater that lives past 60 and brags about it, I think of the many that died before 60 from heart disease, brought on by a diet high in saturated fat and little fiber to clean it out.

[GGJohn]

120. My dad lived until the ripe old age of 92 and was a meat eater his whole life,

my brothers and sisters are in excellent health and all are meat eaters.
Many vegans have died young also, what's your point? I mean besides attempting, poorly, to ostracize us meat eaters.

[Terra Alta]

147. both my grandmothers are well into their 70s

both have eaten meat all their lives and both are still extremely healthy.

Sure there are people in their 40s and 50s dying of heart attacks, but it isn't necessarily caused by a meat-based diet. Could be extreme smoking/alcohol use, too much stress, or hereditary factors.

Despite what you want people to believe, meat is NOT bad for you, and a vegan diet can be unhealthy, too. Just ask Steve Jobs. Oh wait, you can't...

[physioex]

304. Can you cite clinical data....

That people of vegan diets are 'unhealthy' compared to those that eat meat? And are you saying Jobs died earlier because of his diet?

[Sanity Claws]

237. Nearly meat only diet is not the same as some meat diet

I am not vegan or vegetarian. I enjoy some meat or fish almost every day and am very healthy at age 57.
All things in moderation.

[MillennialDem]

240. 1 pound of chicken breast has 440 calories, of which 5 grams of it is fat

(and only 1.32 grams of saturated fat) and 92 grams of it is protein.

[MillennialDem]

241. 3 out of 4 grandparents made it to their 90s (one is still alive, almost 93) the 4th made it to

82.

All were meat eaters. My dad's dad made it 99.

[Veganhealedme]

55. I eat more quality protein than any meat eater.

Not alot of minerals in the flesh of that dead animal either.

Why does meat lead to human mineral deficiency, heart disease, and the introduction of parasites?

Can you name a veggie parasite?

In fact, the proper veggie diet kills parasites and restores the super important good bacteria that feeds our body by properly digesting food and being 75% of our immune system.

Veganism heals the damage done by consuming meat and dairy.

[Action_Patrol]

102. You are full of half-truths and hyperbole.

Stoked that you are happy. Not sure what running around and trying to rub everyone's faces in your filth is supposed to do.

[Veganhealedme]

105. At least give an example..

I can assure you, I'm correct in EVERYTHING I've said.

I am well researched in this topic.

[GGJohn]

116. Good for you.

[Action_Patrol]

119. Full of something. Unsure if it's research

Everything? I can't go point to point with you. You honestly don't care. You're here to prance around and be high and mighty. I'm glad you've formed a religion around your meals. People have to believe in something. Might as well be a firm devotion to caloric intake.

[Odin2005]

139. Yeah, the anti-vaccine morons think they are "well-researched", too!

[Kali]

183. if this is who I think it is, they are anti vax too

good to see you around

[Odin2005]

192. Hiya!

[pinboy3niner]

278. See Sid's #269 at end of thread

Sid has trolldar.

[Kali]

284. oh yeah, he is good

thanks for that, it led me to a great chart he posted

[MineralMan]

265. Research on Mercola's websites does not count.

Truly it does not.

[hobbit709]

127. Like all those people that got e coli from a batch of bean sprouts?

[geardaddy]

291. Bamm!

[Hekate]

197. My gods, are you ever full of it. There are plenty of parasites that live in the soil...

...and stay on your nice raw veggies until you scrub them and cook them. A "proper veggie diet" does nothing to kill parasites inside you, though scrubbing and cooking can prevent them from getting there in the first place.

You're not making any converts to your cause by being so ill-informed, by the way.

[Marr]

303. Off the top of my head? How about cyclospora?

You seem eerily like a religious zealot. Lots of dogma, zero science.

[tridim]

13. Saturated fat is good for you.

Inflammation from too many carbs cause heart disease... The stuffing, the rolls, the gravy, the pie.

[Veganhealedme]

86. All cooked animal saturated is inflammatory to the body.

Ever seen the human digestive tract with the remnants of purified meat and fat clinging to the intestinal walls? people can have 30 lbs of that sludge in them.

Meat and cooked animal fats are digestive killers that make the body ripe for diabetes and heart disease. ALL meat is inflammatory to the body, especially when consumed daily.

You'd see that if you gave veganism a real try.

You're post couldn't possibly be any more wrong.

Veganism gives vitality back. Something you won't understand until a person goes meat-free for awhile.

Vitality is our own best drug.

I am HIV+ and med free. No heart meds or anything else. I'm 43.

My labs from about a month ago came back and my doc said that my immune system is among the strongest he's ever seen and that my body has nearly ERADICATED HIV.

That my friend is the POWER of Veganism.

Tell me, what condition has a meat diet ever cured?

Ive also cured my type2 diabetes after going vegan for the past 7 years.

See the power now?

[cwydro]

130. Veganism eradicates HIV?

Perhaps you should show us the scientific papers on that.

Or write one yourself since you are so "well researched."

[olddots]

136. can we lock this thread yet ?

Please ? :bangh:banghe ad: ead:

[pinboy3niner]

168. Lock it?

I'm tempted to rec it just for the entertainment value!

[yeoman6987]

186. As I read down the thead the more shocked I get

This individual is yelling and screaming that we eat meat.


The individual has stated that they have HIV+ (at least twice).


This individual also had pre diabetic disease

This individual has lived the perfect medical life but we meat eaters are the devil and killing ourselves.


Something doesn't fit here.


The worst of all is that she claims she is free and clear of her two diseases that she has.......that is most dangerous.

[Agschmid]

260. Yup.

[geardaddy]

293. I'm with you pinboy3niner!

[Jesus Malverde]

309. Lol...nt

[Prophet 451]

159. OK, that's just a flat lie

There is nothing unique about animal fats that turns them into toxic waste, you're just lying.

[catnhatnh]

161. Well...

before the bacon wrapped turkey I was hungry. That condition is gone...

[Dorian Gray]

222. This post

is so dangerous and peddles such BS.

Vegan diet... Great!

Vegan diet eradicating HIV+ diagnosis.... Dangerous.

I am glad you are healthy. But to insinuate that meds are necessary for HIV+... just diet. That's irresponsible.

[hughee99]

264. When someone compares veganism to a religion and wants to show a good example of how

it's practitioners might be very similar to those religious followers who are swimming in the kook-aid, THIS is the post they should link to.

[Polly Hennessey]

274. What is purified meat?

[geardaddy]

294. Bacon.

The most pure form of deliciousness.

[uppityperson]

280. Bull. I've looked up plenty of intestines and that 30# crap is a big myth, to be polite

And how, or why, you may ask? Helping do colonoscopies.

[tammywammy]

287. Yeah, but

According to my dad he probably poops out 30 lbs drinking the prep.




Btw, pretty much everything that poster says is bull.

[phil89]

14. Any actual evidence to

support the claim that food shouldn't make you tired?

[elias49]

52. Seriously doubt it. nt

[Prophet 451]

56. *crickets*

This is one of those "vegan truth" factoids. Like the claim that humans aren't natural omnivores. The fact is that overeating generally will cuase tiredness as your body diverts energy to digest the food.

[titaniumsalute]

72. FACT: I wasn't tired after eating turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, green bean casserole....

I blame the 6 pack of Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale I had with dinner.

[LiberalElite]

15. I give you a lot of credit

for trying to point out the inconvenient truth to a lot of people, most of whom will not be receptive to it.

[Throd]

26. In this case I think the delivery hurts the message.

[LiberalElite]

32. You have a point -

I'm a little tact challenged so I didn't notice right away. LOL

[tammywammy]

17. Your schtick is tiresome. n/t

[Veganhealedme]

37. Facts hurt, sometimes. nt

[tammywammy]

41. Your delivery could use some help.

You just come off as a jerk in your "I'm such a great vegan!!!" threads.

Hence, your schtick is tiresome. I really don't give a fuck that you're a vegan. I have multiple friends that are vegans, and they aren't jerks. You're a jerk.

[GGJohn]

133. Here's my fact.

I like beef, venison, elk, rabbit, turkey, pheasant, dove, quail, chucker and all your preaching isn't going to change my mind.

[bravenak]

285. You forgot Lamb.

I love a nice grilled lambchop. Yummmm! This thread has made me so damn hungry, I need a steak. Feels like reverse psychology.

[GGJohn]

306. YES!!!!

Nice leg of lamb, marinated, throw on the BBQ, served with wild rice, squash.
Damn, NOW I'm hungry.

[Lurks Often]

18. Meat is yummy

feel free not to eat meat, it just leaves more for the rest of us to enjoy.


Darn, now I want a steak.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

81. I like a good medium rare steak. I like to savor the bloody moistness as I chew it. nt

[Aerows]

223. I like my steak

with the breath knocked out of it. If it squirms on the plate, well that's what I have a knife and fork for - to make sure it can't get away LOL

[ChisolmTrailDem]

252. Lol...

With a 2nd degree burn?

[Aerows]

275. Indeed!

That's just about right

[olddots]

20. try as I might

I remain a garbage ingesting omnivore even when I know some of the stuff I eat is poison .

[ileus]

23. I eat maybe an ounce of turkey TG day.

And after the meal we went turkey/deer hunting. However, I must admit we didn't harvest anything...



BTW who to hell would eat an entire turkey leg???? anyone?

[Mnemosyne]

99. Teenage boys will, just my experience. The ones I know inhale food at an enormous rate.

Two of the boys I know have grown close to a foot in just a year and a couple months.

[Bettie]

225. I have boys

13 and 12 who will eat pretty much anything that isn't nailed down or actively trying to escape them.

They have recently started weight lifting and are growing at an amazing rate.

They each consumed a full turkey leg at thanksgiving...plus some ham...and wanted pie later on.

[GReedDiamond]

215. Who would eat an entire turkey leg? Maybe this guy...

[Odin2005]

24. The notion that fat is bad for your heart has been debunked.

All those carbs in the organic granola you are eating is what is killing you.

[Recursion]

66. And the hydrogenated vegetable oils (nt)

[liberal_at_heart]

128. oh my goodness. Just like fat if you eat carbs in moderation it will not kill you.

As more and more studies come out the old adage eat in moderation seems to be more and more true. Fat doesn't kill you. Carbs don't kill you. Eating too much of anything will kill you.

[MillennialDem]

243. The problem with carbs isn't that they are bad for you directly

it's just too damn easy to eat 1,000 calories worth of mostly carb rich food like it was nothing.

Try to eat 1,000 calories of mostly protein and you'll practically explode. That's 2-2.5 pounds of chicken breast, FWIW.

[Art_from_Ark]

307. Debunked by whom? The American Fatty Meat Producers Association?

It has certainly not been debunked by the Mayo Clinic. To wit:

"Harmful dietary fat

"There are two main types of potentially harmful dietary fat — fat that is mostly saturated and fat that contains trans fat:

Saturated fat. This is a type of fat that comes mainly from animal sources of food, such as red meat, poultry and full-fat dairy products. Saturated fat raises total blood cholesterol levels and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol levels, which can increase your risk of cardiovascular disease. Saturated fat may also increase your risk of type 2 diabetes.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550

[Odin2005]

308. Mayo is behind the times.

Looks like the low-carb revolution has passed them by.

[Art_from_Ark]

313. Someone, alert the Mayo Clinic!

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And the National Institutes of Health, too!

"Saturated fats raise your LDL ("bad&quot cholesterol level. High LDL cholesterol puts you at risk for heart attack, stroke, and other major health problems. You should avoid or limit foods that are high in saturated fats."

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/patientinstructions/000104.htm

[jberryhill]

25. Ooh, ooh, can I suggest a topical twist to your rant?

"...and these girls should know better than to promote that sort of thing..."

[tammywammy]

33. Haha!!!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

87. And they're dressed like flesheaters!

[jberryhill]

89. Looking for a spot in a slaughterhouse those ghouls!

Heart-killing carnivorous predators those two are.

[madinmaryland]

28. Eating that once a year kills you? Hyperpole??

[Shivering Jemmy]

30. Why should foot not make you tired?

Is that a rule?

[jberryhill]

35. It's just the leg. The foot is usually removed.

[pinboy3niner]

77. And saved for trading

[jberryhill]

85. I like the way they do up chicken feet for dim sum

Dunno what they do with the turkey feet, come to think of it.

But what I would like to see is tandoori Turkey.

[Travis_0004]

36. You wont see any turkey on my table on christmas

Honey baked ham is a much better choice.

[sendero]

38. "heart killing saturated fat"...

... has been pretty solidly debunked. In fact, many researchers now believe that saturated fats are the healthiest.

Where did the idea that they are not healthy come from? Apparently, the vegetable oils industry. One thing everyone agrees on, trans fats and hydrogenated oils are the worst oils you can eat. Vegetable oils.

[GliderGuider]

122. I get 80% or more of my calories now from meat and animal fats.

My health has improved remarkably in the last year as a result. My BP is down 30 points, CRP (an inflammatory marker) had dropped by half, my weight is down 50 lb, no edema in my legs and feet, GERD is gone...

What was killing me was carbohydrates because I have metabolic syndrome. Plus my milk allergy from childhood appears to have lingered, so when I cut out milk and most cheese I improved even further.

The thing is, everyone is so eager to have an ideology to cling to that they tend to forget/ignore the fact that food tolerances are very individual. That applies to a lot of the paleos I've talked with, as well as the vegans.

There is no "one size fits all" diet. When people ask me what my diet is, I usually say, "It's one that's right for me."

[aikoaiko]

40. The religion group is that way ----->

[Odin2005]

47. Veganism certainly seems like one, doesn't it?

[aikoaiko]

50. At least as it's practiced by some veganistas.

[TygrBright]

140. I would totally pay to see the cage match.... n/t

[jberryhill]

236. I think it would have to be a cage-free match

[pinboy3niner]

258. That goes without saying

[JEFF9K]

42. I ate some non-plants on Thanksgiving.

I will do it only on major holidays.

[hobbit709]

43. Vegan didn't do much for your annoying self-rightousness

[elias49]

57. Ouch. That might leave a mark.

But it'll probably heal over before bedtime.

[Veganhealedme]

91. I'm successfully treating my HIV with veganism

I am HIV+ and med-free.

Ive cured my type 2 diabetes after going vegan about 7 years ago

Name any ailment that has ever been cured by meat.

[pinboy3niner]

97. Name any ailment successfully cured by meat?

Veganism.

[GGJohn]

150. LOL, zing.

[JimDandy]

154. LOL! n/t

[yeoman6987]

189. That was perfect!!!!!

[geardaddy]

296. You win the thread!

[hobbit709]

98. right! and the moon is made of green cheese as far as your HIV cure goes

As I told some clown at the checkout line at the grocery once who was berating me for what I was buying
"I have a health tip for you too, you'll live a lot longer if you keep your nose out of other people's business."

[Veganhealedme]

110. So you theaten violence eh.. nt

[hobbit709]

113. I don't make threats.

I just give some people a warning of consequences.

[flvegan]

170. *snicker*

Violence in the checkout aisle. LOL, tough guy.

[HERVEPA]

117. I'm a vegetarian, not far from vegan. Your veganism has not a damn thing to do with your HIV status.

[Veganhealedme]

152. My HIV specialist would laugh at how wrong your comment is..

nothing else feeds the immune system like the nutrition from a well-researched vegan diet.

I'm NOT implying that veganism is a cure for HIV.

My HIV treatment approach, closely monitored by one of this planet's top HIV specialists, relies heavily on the strength of my immune system.

My doc is conducting a study on diet vs HIV. I am among this study because I am med-free. My body has almost eradicated the presence of HIV. HIV is nearly undetectable and my next labs in 60 days, I'm hoping it will be undetectable.

Google the word "polysaccharide"

There's the first key to a healthy immune system, only found in plants.

The other key..
google "glutathione"

Veganism pumps up the production of this vitamin C activator in the body.

It's now being researched, that the level of glutathione in the human body might be the key to human longevity.

Without my healthy diet, my HIV would progress as my doc has seen happen in the past.

Edit: If I ever do need to go on HIV meds, I surely would. But they are costly, toxic, with side effects etc.

[William769]

201. You have left out some very important facts

1st and foremost would be how long have you been HIV+? (and no, I don't think I am prying since you opened yourself up to be asked the question).

2nd who is this so called "one of this planet's top HIV specialists"? Don't expect us to take your word for it. I will tell you who mine is because I am damn proud of who he is and the work he has done and he would not want his name to be kept secret. He happens to be Dr. Jeffery Beal and you can read all about him here http://mhlp.fmhi.usf.edu/facultyStaff/pfocus.cfm?focusid=164

From what I have seen what you have said with things pertaining to HIV in this thread, I find reckless and dangerous and you should be ashamed of yourself for spouting off on a subject that I think you don't know what you are talking about.

This goes to vegans or meat eaters alike, do not, I repeat, do not take advice from a unknown on the internet, instead seek advice from a medical professional.

Whoever you may think you are, you ain't all that.

[sheshe2]

207. Good advice William.

Seek advice from a medical professional. Otherwise they do themselves a disservice. Dr Jeffery Beal sounds like a great man that knows what he is talking about. You are alive and well because of his knowledge.

I am thinking something here, will only say to you in private. Can't do it tonight, yet I don't like the message that is being sent here.

As for turkey and the dark meat, it's my favorite. Two of my grandparents and dad made it to their 90's. One late 80's and my mom still with us at 88 and doing well.

Some thing is amiss in this op.

William

[William769]

208. I see you picked up that whiff also.

GTMA!

[sheshe2]

210. I have a good nose, snort~

I stole your ribbon again!

[William769]

211. Given freely to one & all.

[sheshe2]

214. That is what I love about you~

Here is one for you, William



I was going to post it on your site, yet I wrote you why I did not.

I barely got the Op to the front page, though I tried.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025897583

[Prophet 451]

155. Alerted and survived 3-4

I despair of this system sometimes.

[Drahthaardogs]

171. Anemia

Happy now?

[LeftyMom]

209. No you're not. Christ almighty, that's stupid and dangerous.

Look, I've been vegan a lot longer than you, I worked at a vegan food company, I've done demos from sea to shining sea. I know what the hell I'm talking about, so you need to listen to me really carefully here:

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS STUPID AND DANGEROUS AND YOU NEED TO GO TO A FUCKING DOCTOR AND GET ON SOME MEDS. THE VIRUS IS MULTIPLYING AND MUTATING AWAY IN YOU AND THE CLEANEST DIET IN THE WORLD WILL NOT CHANGE THAT.

Your posts on DU are stupid and dangerously misinformed. You're offering terrible advice and outright misinformation and it makes veganism look stupid and irresponsible. Knock it the fuck off.

[William769]

212. You were more eloquent than I could ever hope to be.

[sheshe2]

213. I thank you LeftyMom!

Spot on and very dangerous advice by this poster. Totally misinformed and they are spreading it here. I am not liking this not one bit.

[HERVEPA]

231. Very well said.

[R B Garr]

259. Excellent post as usual, LeftyMom. Didn't Steve Jobs try diet to cure

his cancer in lieu of proper medical treatment -- look how that turned out. I know that was cancer and not HIV, but I'm just commenting on his idea of diet alone as being the cure-all. It's not. It has its benefits, of course, but not if you go against other medical advice.

[Agschmid]

261. Yup.

[LondonReign2]

230. "I'm successfully treating my HIV with veganism"

No. No, you aren't.

Just no.

[tabbycat31]

48. and people wonder why vegans have a bad reputation

Example #1 right here

[Rex]

58. Get down off that cross, my turn.

Sorry but I like fruits, veges and meat. Do you realize that you are ripping the flesh from an orange every time you peel one and eat it? Oh sure, it doesn't go moo...but is a living organism. How can you bring yourself to eat living things?

I prefer cardboard and glue.

[Recursion]

61. Animal fat is not the problem. Hydrogenated vegetable fat and sugar is (nt)

[Action_Patrol]

63. My Prom Date is Parkin' with Grand Moff Tarkin

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen plans.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

64. Oh get down off your high horse and stop your preaching to people who are perfectly capable

of making their own choices whether or not to eat meat!

I'll eat whatever the hell I want to eat and I don't need your stupid advice or your stupid preaching.

[Android3.14]

67. Incorrect information

First off, a nap after a big meal is a pleasure. That's only one of the many reasons people have feasts.

Many foods can make you sleepy, including oatmeal and almonds.

FROM HERE
It may be a favorite for breakfast, but you might want to pair a bowl of oatmeal with some coffee to make it through the day. "Grains in oatmeal trigger insulin production much like whole-grain bread," says Cynthia Pasquella, CCN, CHLC, CWC. "They raise your blood sugar naturally and make you feel sleepy. Oats are also rich in melatonin, which relaxes the body and helps you fall asleep."

For meateaters, bird protein offers an advantageous win-loss ratio when it comes to caloric and protein density. There are many ways to cook birds, including methods that reduce fat. We butterflied our turkey this year, soaked it in a brandy marinade, and grilled it on my charcoal grill. It was an awesome feast, which we enjoyed through three days of leftovers.

As for the treatment of turkeys, you are right. It's awful. I will try to purchase a heritage turkey next year.

[brooklynite]

68. UNREC

This is coming across as a holier-than-thow "see how virtuous I am" post.

Turkey once a year (WITH GRAVY! STUFFING! PIE!) ain't going to kill you

Turkey Pot Pie

Total Time:
1 hr 10 min
Prep:
20 min
Cook:
50 min
Yield:4 servings
Level:Easy

Ingredients
2 tablespoons butter
1 onion, chopped
2 stalks celery, chopped
3 carrots, chopped
4 tablespoons flour
4 cups chicken or turkey stock
2 potatoes, peeled and diced
2 cups shredded turkey
2 tablespoons chopped parsley
1/2 cup frozen peas, thawed
1 prepared pie crust
1 egg, lightly beaten

Directions
Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.

Melt butter in saucepan and cook chopped onion until tender. Stir in celery and carrots and cook for 2 minutes. Stir in flour and cook for 2 minutes. Add chicken stock and bring to a simmer. Add potatoes and simmer until tender. Stir in turkey, parsley and peas. Pour mixture into casserole. Top with pie crust and brush with egg. Bake for 30 minutes until crust is golden.



Read more at: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/turkey-pot-pie-recipe.html?oc=linkback

[nomorenomore08]

73. Eat (or don't eat) whatever you want. Others will do the same. n/t

[Veganhealedme]

94. A nation of sick people is a nation with unaffordable healthcare. nt

[nomorenomore08]

137. True enough. Most of us could stand to eat a lot less red meat (I've cut down substantially myself).

I'm just not sure that a strict vegan diet is nutritionally optimal for all humans, even if it seems to be for you personally.

[chrisa]

75. Fruit for Thanksgiving? Channeling Frank Barone.

"May I have the carving knife please? I wanna slit my throat."



The leg is the best part.

[sabbat hunter]

78. your numbers are wrong

a single turkey leg from a 20lb bird has 590 calories, 8.7grams of saturated fat.

and that is a VERY large turkey leg. most people would not eat all of it but would share it. So cut those numbers in half.

[ctaylors6]

79. Cherries, bananas, oatmeal can all promote sleep

Cherries have melatonin. Bananas have melatonin, tryptophan, and magnesium, all of which can help to promote sleep. Many seeds and nuts can help too.

[brooklynite]

126. Don't forget the red wine...which goes great with Turkey!

[Recursion]

162. Yeah, I'm glad the whole "red wine with red meat only" myth is finally being abandoned

There are a variety of considerations in pairing wine with food, and "matching the color" of the protein is probably the least important.

[msanthrope]

257. Trust me...the red wine was the only thing that got me through Thanksgiving...nt

[Prophet 451]

80. This is just a lot of bullshit

1) The idea that saturated fats kill your heart has been solidly debunked.
2) Even if that were true, the fact that the fats came from animals would be irrelevant. Animal fats are not poison that will kill you just for eating them.
3) The idea that food shouldn't make you tired is just a lie on your part. The fact is that overeating on anything, even vegan nut cutlets, will make you tired because your body is diverting energy to digest the meal.
4) Slaughterhouse conditions here in the UK are strictly controlled and butchering sick animals is illegal.

So, like every proselytizing vegan, you're either twisting facts or outright lying to try and gain converts.

[Bettie]

232. The OP also seems to be under the impression

that people who eat meat eat nothing else...

Veggies and fruit are included in most people's diets as well.

I guess it goes to show, nothing worse than a reformed anything.

[geardaddy]

297. Hmmm vegan nut cutlets...

Is that like Rocky Mountain Oysters?

[nationalize the fed]

83. k/r

Excellent Movie-Forks over Knives wherein Dr. Terry Mason says - "If it walked, hopped, swam, crawled, had eyes and a mom and dad- don't eat it"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forks_Over_Knives

[nichomachus]

88. Almost every vegan I know is overweight

Oreos are vegan. Go into any normal restaurant and everything that is vegan is bad for you.

Humans were not meant to be vegan.

It's a fad.

[nationalize the fed]

184. Meet 70+ year old Vegan Mimi Kirk

(Yes it says sexiest vegetarian but she's a vegan)

Compare to other 70+ year olds

[HERVEPA]

234. Are you always this incorrect?

Go to a vegan restaurant then. There are plenty these days.
And if I go to a "normal" restaurant and get a salad, is that bad for me?

[TeeYiYi]

90. Frankenturkey...

...through the years.


TYY

[jberryhill]

144. And by 2030....

[Rex]

181. Good gravy giblets Batman!

Well stuffing it should not be too much of a problem, good luck finding an oven that large.

[HappyMe]

233. We're gonna need a bigger oven.

Besides, I don't think plane fed turkey would be tasty. Etiquette experts would have to step up, because questions about where to spit out the metal shards would be numerous.

[chrisa]

300. If this were on SciFi, the government would make an equally large crocodile to eat the turkey.

Chaos would ensue as both turned on humanity.

[pinboy3niner]

302. It would be Megacroc vs. Turkeynado!

As God is my witness, I'd watch that.

[GGJohn]

93. I hunt, kill and dress our own Turkeys,

and I enjoy that Turkey leg, along with the wings, breasts and every thing else associated with a Turkey dinner.
I certainly don't need a vegan telling me what's not good for me, you eat what you eat and I'll eat what I eat.

[NuclearDem]

95. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you don't advocate for veganism.

[neverforget]

106. I'm late for the show....

[Duckhunter935]

107. I prefer a nice

steak myself or a slow cooked brisket, yum

A few good turkey legs are awesome though

[liberal_at_heart]

114. sorry don't like to be proselytized to. I will always advocate for changing the way

we treat the animals we eat, but I will not give up eating meat. And by the way, the Mythbusters did a show on if turkey makes you tired. It is not the turkey that makes you tired. It is how much food you eat. If you eat too much of anything but especially too many carbohydrates it will make you tired.

[bearssoapbox]

125. I had a turkey leg, mashed potatos/gravy and stuffing for breakfast this morning.

Also homemade cranberry sauce, a banana and some orange juice.

mmmmmmmmmm...Leftovers.

Tuna salad, plain toast & tomato juice for lunch.

Barley soup and roast beef sandwich for dinner.

I don't usually eat that much for breakfast but during the last two months of the year I tend to let things slide. Just balance the day out one way or the other. Eat veggies or fruit for some snacks.

Just don't go overboard one way or the other on a consistant basis.

I've lost 125lbs since Dec.12, 2012 eating that way. And still going.

Well... maybe not so much this month.

As for the not eating meat thing...



Then there's this thought...

[Terra Alta]

129. I eat lots of meat. I also eat plenty of fruits and veggies.

I had lab work done earlier this year, they came back perfect. I eat a variety of foods and I'm healthy as I've ever been.

To each their own. You don't eat meat and you're healthy, good for you. Do what's best for you and don't try to tell others how they should eat.

[sarisataka]

131. And is delicious

worth every calorie and gram

Best served with dressing, potatoes, green beans, carrots, broccoli and a roll. Dessert best eaten a couple hours after the meal.

[mucifer]

132. As the Yiddish author Isaac Bashevis Singer once said:

“I did not become a vegetarian for my health, I did it for the health of the chickens.”

We all have our philosophies. Nice to meet you Veganhealedme. I'm a vegan, too. But, I can probably eat as many calories with some crazy vegan desserts or the barbecue vegan wings at "The Chicago Diner" http://www.veggiediner.com/menu.html

[Gormy Cuss]

134. For a turkey leg to have 1100 calories, it would have to have 2 lbs of edible meat and skin.

That's a mighty big leg. Granted, eating the skin does deliver a big dose of saturated fat.

Most vegans I know are pretty good at nutrition and "pigging out" on fruit, organic or otherwise, is not in their diet. Pigging out on rich nut loaves, vegetables, grains, and vegan gravy, yes.

[armed_and_liberal]

143. Trader Joe's to the rescue

I had their turkey-less roast the last couple of years and while it ain't the real thing it is a pretty good facsimile. Some canned whole cranberries on the side rocks it for me.

[BlindTiresias]

145. Your numbers are way off

Those giant ren fair smoked turkey legs are about a thousand calories maybe when you factor skin and all. A normal thanksgiving sized turkey leg will be more in the neighborhood of 200-300 calories. If you remove the skin the calories and the fat are also reduced.

[PADemD]

174. Actually, the calories are 417 for a roasted turkey leg, with skin

http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calories-in-turkey-leg-with-skin-fryer-roasters-roasted_f-ZmlkPTE2NzIwMg.html

[BlindTiresias]

194. really depends on the size of the turkey

I think we can safely put the calories in the 300-400 range, a bit less than the 1100 calories in the OP.

[PADemD]

199. That calorie count was for an 11.5 oz leg.

[Socal31]

146. What an insanely fortunate life.

To be able to survive with no animal protein.

That's not even a 1st world perk. That is in the upper percentile of luxury on this planet.

It's like preaching that everyone in the world should drive hybrid vehicles, when personal transportation alone puts you near the top of the spectrum.

[LAGC]

149. You miserable troll.

Every smart vegan knows that it's the amino acid tryptophan in that turkey meat protein that makes you sleepy!

[Roland99]

151. mmmm....protein

BTW, it's the carbs in the stuffing and other items on the typical plate (and the large amount of food) that trigger nap-taking after eating Thanksgiving dinner.

[d_b]

153. an angry vegan gimmick

just what this place has been missing

[Lex]

157. You need to read the latest research and you'll find you are dead-ass wrong. nt

[fadedrose]

158. I don't think it's the food that puts people to sleep..

The cook is exhausted and falls asleep as soon as everyone leaves, and she/he hasn't even eaten.

Guests are tired from the hassle of getting there and being pleasant after they've been arguing all the way here...Some helped clean up if you were lucky, and they got tired. Too much boring conversation.... Kids need help cutting food, their parents are busy.

The stress caused by everyone having to be there at the table (more dressed up than usual) at the same time, which never happens - causing embarrassment for the late people and the pretense of pretending that the lateness was forgiven by those on time...

[blkmusclmachine]

160. ,

,

[olddots]

165. THIS JUST IN !!!!

Life is bacteria

[brooklynite]

193. Tonight I had a healthy all-vegetarian meal of curried chick peas, mustard greens and roast carrots

...and tomorrow I'm going out for Uzbek lamb pilaf.

Balance in all things.

[Leith]

167. No. I Looked It Up

The highest calorie count I could find was 356 calories - and that was for a deep fried one. Could you supply a link to a turkey leg that has so many calories in it? Thanks.

I didn't read the whole thread and somebody probably already said it:

If we're not supposed to eat animals, how come they're made out of meat?

[Kali]

191. no, they only link to nutty whack job sites if they ever have a link

this is a repeat troll that spouts all kinds of nonsense and never backs up anything they say. vegan is one thing - this guy is almost at breatharian-level lunacy.

[tridim]

246. It's probably higher if you grind up the whole leg...

and drink the bone/meat/marrow slurry.

Vegan math.

[flvegan]

172. From a vegan who has been here a while: don't bother.

Coexist. Live and let live and spend your time making an actual difference in the activism of your choice. It pains me to say that, but it really isn't worth it. Read the responses a couple times, and you'll see that as well. This isn't the place it used to be.

Sorry DU, but if the truth hurts, so be it.

[Duckhunter935]

177. It helps if

you do not force your beliefs and diet on others and also berate and insult them like so many vegans do.

[flvegan]

185. Is that what the OP did?

Forced beliefs? Forced diet? Berated and insulted? "Like so many vegans" do?

I hope you'll get really specific in your response.

[yeoman6987]

200. Can the OP at least be realistic

1100 calories for a turkey leg????????? Was asked by a few DUers to provide proof, but nothing......


Cured HIV and diabetes????? That is dangerous in my opinion.


I understand you want to stick up for the poster and that is fine, but you gotta admit some of the facts are rather outside the box.

[flvegan]

204. I didn't do any of that.

Did I?

[uppityperson]

282. Yes. As well as attempting to sell lies as truths.

Is that specific enough?

I'd leave out "like so many vegans do" because that is very wrong. I know few vegans who proselytize, but this OP and subsequent replies by the OP are not the way to attempt positive dietary changes.

There are ways to promote veganism that helps, but this is not an example of that.

[LordGlenconner]

263. The smug "look at me" OP doesn't exactly endear folks to the cause

As the old saying goes, the only thing worse than a smoker is a reformed smoker.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

272. what hurts is the utter dumbness of someone advocating a vegan diet to eradicate HIV

literally hurts my head.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

178. "heart killing animal saturated fat"

When a heart attack happens you have the right to defend yourself.

[KMOD]

180. I'm happy you found a diet that makes you feel well,

Me, I enjoy eating a variety of foods, including meat, and I like to exercise.

I also have good numbers at my checkups.

You do what makes you feel good, and I'll continue doing what makes me feel good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

187. I am not a huge carnivore, more of a omnivore...

... The truth is boring. The healthiest diet is a balanced one.

[Generic Other]

195. It isn't Thanksgiving without the Sarah Palin turkey pardoning classic

[Leith]

268. I Prefer Alice's Restaurant

Though I have the irresistible urge to jump up and down yelling "Kill! Kill!" whenever I see that video.

I'll go over here and sit on the Group W bench with the others who weren't moral enough to join the army. (Doesn't that sound really prescient?)

[pinboy3niner]

196. As of today, it's turkey leg...

1 turkey leg has 1100 calories and 44 grams of heart killing animal saturated fat.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5901638

[hopemountain]

203. we enjoyed a delicious roasted leg of lamb

raised on a local ranch - grass fed - lovingly birthed under the watchful eyes & with the caring hands of the ranch hand.

the leg was massaged with garlic, fresh rosemary and organic olive oil - accompanied with herbed middle eastern golden rice, steamed broccoli, tossed green salad, flat bread, & a yogurt, garlic, lemon & cilantro dipping sauce, red wine, and organic pumpkin pie with whipped cream. not one of us over ate - it was a little of this and a little of that.

everyone can eat what works for them. it is none of our business what others choose to eat. however, do hope they are informed and that the necessary information (not lies & made up misinformation) is available to make an informed decision about processed sugar, synthetic flavorings, and toxic genetically modified organisms in their food where their food comes from and how humanely and sustainably it is produced.

[LeftyMom]

206. I had mashed potatoes, stuffing, two kinds of gravy, lentil-walnut loaf, rum glazed yams and a pie.

Then I went to a football game.

I've been vegan for twelve years and I like food.



"I went for a 5 mile jog after pigging out on organic fruit on thanksgiving." This sounds like a drag at best and borderline disordered behavior at worst. I have no idea how much fruit constitutes pigging out in your mind, but fruit is not a meal, and you probably need to eat more food generally and especially more fats from plant sources if that's your typical meal. That's not a balanced diet at all and you're not going to be able to keep that up.

[Warren DeMontague]

216. "Sinners! Sinners in the hands of an angry god!"

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

217. God damn, I could go for some more turkey

Along with some nice potatoes, turnips, cranberry sauce and stuffing. Delicious balanced meal!

Enjoy your cardboard box or wood gristle, or whatever you eat.

[geomon666]

218. I don't know about any of that stuff, but I do know this...

[HappyMe]

220. Everyone should just eat what they want to.

[badtoworse]

224. Yawn... Drivel like this gets posted around Thanksgiving every year.

[TransitJohn]

228. Is it hard to come down off that cross and talk to us proles? eom

n/t

[lame54]

229. nothing more annoying than an ex-smoker

[Threedifferentones]

235. I exercised much more than you then ate my turkey then fell asleep.

Nah nah nah nah.

[snooper2]

244. It is a good thing your parents gave you meat as a kid, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here

Meat is essential for brain development...


Me cave man grunt grunt eat meat make me brain bigger and smarter grunt grunt Intertubes here we come!

[Reter]

245. Link, because I call BS

A leg isn't even that fatty. Without eating the skin or smothering it in gravy, it is nowhere near 1,100 calories.

[ScreamingMeemie]

249. He/she grabbed that from the online stats for Festival food.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/fat-festival-calories-food-fair

"Giant turkey leg: 1,136 calories/54 g fat"


Now, here's an actual smoked turkey leg with the skin:

https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/generic/turkey-drumstick-smoked-cooked-skin-eaten

Calories
589


Fat
27.73g

But that wouldn't sound nearly as scary. Most people I know share a giant turkey leg with their group while walking.

[Lex]

292. Good catch. Those numbers did

look like BS for a regular turkey leg, like most would have on a Thanksgiving table. And they were.

[FSogol]

250. Translation: "I'm more liberal than you"

[frazzled]

251. My father has been eating turkey legs

for 98 years (well, he probably didn't eat them as a baby, but he always took the dark meat every year since I remember). He also eats salami, pastrami, beef, etc. It sure hasn't killed him yet--and 98 years is a pretty long time.

It sounds to me as if your restrictive diet makes you cranky and bitter towards others. Eat what you like, but (a) don't preach to others (because your rants aren't even true); and (b) don't expect to get invited to other people's Thanksgivings.

[HockeyMom]

254. I clean after big meals

Well, big meals for me; don't like dark meat. I have to exercise some way because I don't like the feeling of being bloated and moving around helps it to go away.

When I used to cook Thanksgiving dinner, I always got up immediately putting things away and washing dishes. People would tell me to sit down and relax, but that just made me feel worse.

BTW, I do this all time; big meal or just salads for dinner.

[Douglas Carpenter]

255. well, there are in fact only two numbers that accurately score how good an item of food taste

1. calories

2. grams of fat

[dilby]

262. Only 1100 Calories and 44 Grams? Well good thing I ate both the damn legs, wings and

the breasts. Then I ran six miles, bench pressed 390 ten times and had sex with my girlfriend five times. But I am glad you liked your fruit, they truly sounded yummy.

[bigwillq]

267. I could have gone for a nap after my banana this morning.

I pretty much get sleepy after everything I eat.

[SidDithers]

269. Something seems familiar about this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023877742



Sid

[pinboy3niner]

273. NICE CATCH!

I guess it wasn't my turkey leg that was repeating on me, after all.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

270. you are incredibly idiotic. what is dangerous is advocating a vegan diet for HIV

not eating animal protein.

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL OPEN??????????

[Cal Carpenter]

271. Quit feeding bacon to the vegan troll you guys!

[B Calm]

281. Our bodies need protein to operate fully.

[nationalize the fed]

290. Of course bodies need protein. Plant protein is better

than Animal protein, at least according to some doctors like Dr. Terry Mason in "Forks over Knives"

"If it walked, hopped, swam, crawled, had eyes and a mom and dad- don't eat it"

9 oz Tofu = ~33 Grams Plant Protein

The Institute of Medicine reports that protein RDAs, which are minimum protein requirements, are 56 grams for men, 46 grams for women

[B Calm]

311. Animal proteins deliver the amino acids we need.

[Jesus Malverde]

312. How much estrogen is there in 9oz of Tofu.

More than a 9oz steak?

[brooklynite]

295. Good to know the turkey debate is still going on...

Only 51 weeks until next Thanksgiving. You can do it, folks!

[pinboy3niner]

299. I can't wait for the next debaste turkey thread!

I try to keep a breast of these things.

[Marr]

298. Food making you tired does *not* mean it's unhealthy.

It just means it's carb heavy, relative to what you usually eat. I want to take a nap after I drink a banana/strawberry/soy milk smoothie.

[Left2Tackle]

305. And worth every calorie. Especially if deep fried

[hankthecrank]

310. But I like the dressing most of all, so there

Getting to old to climb up on my high horse