The REAL Terrorists: Conservative ‘CHRISTIAN’ Pastor Openly Calls For EXECUTING ALL GAY PEOPLE By Christmas Day

[Segami]

It sounds like a sermon that would be delivered in Uganda, but it’s actually from the mouth of an American pastor in Arizona. Conservative “Christian” Pastor Steven Anderson openly called for executing every gay person in America during a Sunday sermon at his church in Tempe, Arizona. He claimed from the pulpit that gays need to be put to death in the name of God by Christmas Day in an effort to wipe out AIDS, even though AIDS is not a virus exclusive to the LGBT community. Anderson opined:

Turn to Leviticus 20:13, because I actually discovered the cure for AIDS. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. And that, my friend, is the cure for AIDS. It was right there in the Bible all along — and they’re out spending billions of dollars in research and testing. It’s curable — right there. Because if you executed the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.

In addition, Anderson went on a hateful tirade about how gay people will never be allowed to step foot inside his church. “No homos will ever be allowed in this church as long as I am pastor here,” Anderson declared. “Never! Say ‘You’re crazy.’ No, you’re crazy if you think that there’s something wrong with my ‘no homo’ policy.” Slowly but surely, conservatives are becoming more extreme in their anti-gay views. So much so, that some are now willing to endorse genocide in the name of God in a desperate bid to force their agenda of hate upon the nation. Despite the fact that the Constitution is the law of the land, conservative “Christians” like Anderson want to replace that document with the Bible. The mass extermination of an entire group people is something the Nazis would be applauding. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, conservatives are acting just like the Nazis did in Germany, from claims that homosexuality is a sign of the decay of the nation, to claiming that it’s a disease that can be “cured,” to calling for killing gay people.

Many in Germany regarded the Weimar Republic’s toleration of homosexuals as a sign of Germany’s decadence. The Nazis posed as moral crusaders who wanted to stamp out the “vice” of homosexuality from Germany…

Because some Nazis believed homosexuality was a sickness that could be cured, they designed policies to “cure” homosexuals of their “disease” through humiliation and hard work.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005261

Thousands of gay people died in concentration camps under Nazi rule. It sounds like Anderson is one of those who are posing as a “moral crusader” to push their hateful anti-gay agenda. And yet, conservatives have the nerve to compare liberals to the Nazis. If we continue to stand by and allow conservatives to take power in the United States, we may discover to our horror that similar Nazi anti-gay policies have been established under the cloak of religion.





http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03/conservative-christian-pastor-openly-calls-for-executing-all-gay-people-by-christmas-day-video/



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[misterhighwasted]

1. That's what Hitler said from his pulpit about the Jews.

Or ISIS from their pulpit, or any number of hate based religious groups.

Murder in the name of the Lord.

[hifiguy]

4. Hitler didn't talk much about killing the Jews in public speeches

if at all. Even he was smart enough to use euphemisms into which people could read whatever they wanted. The Final Solution was triple-top-secret.

Amazing when you can say "Not even Hitler..." about these fuckwit, worthless, shitheel jebus junkies.

[misterhighwasted]

9. Yes you are correct. Spreading the Hate from the pulpit in the House of the Lord

They are frauds & should be tsxed & listed as a hate group. Is the damn KKK this powerful in America? Are they so self righteous that they have used the tax free pulpit to actually advance their hate?

Social media, radio & TV talk & news shows, and the tax free churches in the name of people seeking salvation.
Those nasty nests need to be cleaned out.
They are the reason our civil rights have been whittled down to nothing.

[NYtoBush-Drop Dead]

110. AND THEY DON'T PAY TAXES!

These cretins should at least lose their tax exempt status.

[smirkymonkey]

119. I would go one further and say they should lose their right

to assemble as they represent a "clear and present danger".

[NYtoBush-Drop Dead]

145. I would too!

But it would be taken to the Felonious Five and they would shoot it down.

[IHateTheGOP]

114. The right wing nazis

People throw around the Nazi terminology all of the time, especially the right wing. Well I'm going to throw it around too. The current right wing in this country, and especially the tea party types, are Nazis in every sense of the word. And guess what, the Nazis were laughed at early on too. Then they took power. These people today are the biggest threat this country has ever faced.

[blkmusclmachine]

121. Today's Nazi's are the Christian Dominionists. A lot of hard core eliminationist speech over there!

[demigoddess]

2. just no words

*&^%$#@

[hifiguy]

3. This psychotic fuck belongs behind bars.

[Initech]

43. Or at the very least in a padded cell under very close supervision.

[Jefferson23]

5. No where does it say he is now being investigated. An African American sells loose cigarettes

on the street and he's dead from a choke hold that's barred by the police and no charges.

We're disintegrating.

[dorkzilla]

6. ...and they're going after Michael Brown's stepfather for inciting people???

Why is it that the Cons can say whatever they want with impunity but a family member cannot express anger that his son's killer was not going to meet justice???


Fuck these people.

[wavesofeuphoria]

123. white privilege and religious privilege

even for such foul shit as this

pretty damned sick of it

[spanone]

7. hatemongers. where did God say 'thou shalt kill"? eh, rev?

if there is a God, i'm sure he/she is embarrassed by some of these fucks she/he created

[Segami]

11. You can almost cut the air with a knife....

...that something horrible is just lurking around the next corner. The daily staple of continuous hatred openly being spewed on social networks, radio/TV and print publications is a cautionary ramp-up that something nasty is about to rear its ugly face....

[pipi_k]

40. More and more

I've been thinking that, as well.

The tension is almost palpable.

Like the gasoline fumes are floating in the air, and all it will take is one little spark to set off a major conflagration.

When will it come? From where?

Each morning I wake up expecting to hear on the news about something hugely frightening and tragic.

It's scary

[dgibby]

64. That's precisely how I've been feeling,

especially since the mid-term elections. I dread what's going to happen to this country after the first of the year when his fellow travelers get into Congress. We are so screwn!

[Tsiyu]

71. I'm going to add my "yeah, me too."

An aunt and uncle do meals on wheels 3 days a week and also help the people by taking them to get groceries, scrips, whatever they need.

My aunt said this week all of her elderly people were just beside themselves with anxiety and panic. An old friend who is pretty conservative wants to protest. He is angry about the 12-year-old and Garner.

Like I told my mom tonight, if these bad cops are punished, people retain faith in the justice system and in the police. They know that bad cops will be held responsible and that good cops are going to avoid being pricks.

When cop after cop after cop is acquitted, it sets people on edge. It scares them hearing about a 7-year-old shot in her bed - AN INNOCENT BABY - and then the man who did it is cleared of all wrongdoing. That is absolutely SICK.

It makes people realize they are not safe in their persons and homes as our Constitution describes "safe."

That is not a good thing to convince millions of people already living on the financial edge. The cops perhaps hate Obama so much, they are fomenting revolution to make him look bad?

Anyhoo, let's hope we're all just imagining a bad end to it all....

[jmowreader]

30. Start with Leviticus 20

The god of the Old Testament called a lot of hits on people He didn't like.

[hifiguy]

47. The god of the OT was, to use a memorable

phrase of Harlan Ellison's, crazier than a needle-dicked bugfucker.

[Art_from_Ark]

76. And that's why there's the New Testament

And that's why my church's services almost never referred to the Old Testament, except for Psalms, Proverbs, and some verses in Isaiah (the basis of Handel's Messiah).

[Bluenorthwest]

96. And the New Testament also condemns gay people while saying women need to remain silent

and subservient, wearing modest clothing, etc. Also 'slaves, obey your masters'.

[Art_from_Ark]

111. I don't remember my pastor talking about those things

I went to a pretty laid-back, liberal church.

[merrily]

144. If I could, I would delete from the NT most of what Paul wrote wrote.

It would improve vastly

[sendero]

89. Ah yes God version 1.0....

... which is FULL of ridiculous bullshit that every so called Christian ignores but they are happy to slice out little pieces when it suits them.

And then God version 2.0 came along and Jesus never said a single word about homosexuality or abortions but that is the only message his "followers" think they hear.

And people wonder why the young are eschewing this utter bullshit. Even religion has to have SOME basis in logical consistency.

[jmowreader]

107. You should try living in Jesusland

A couple months ago our local wedding factory tried to get the city's antidiscrimination ordinance overturned. It seems they were perfectly happy with being able to run a for-profit business that turns away gays and lesbians, but having to become a church (which they did before filing the suit) didn't set well with them. Anyway, the local God Brigade filled my paper's contents page with all these antigay quotes out of the Bible, but when someone pointed out some of the other shit in that part of the Bible, the response was uniform: don't you know we don't use the Old Testament anymore? (I have to wonder: if we don't use the OT then why is the little Gideon Bible that fits in your pocket the only widely-distributed edition of the Bible that omits it?)

I pity fundamentalists. The whole basis of their religion is, "my whole life must be spent in misery so when I die I will appreciate Heaven. And you must live exactly as I choose to." Which makes you wonder why people who have decided nothing on earth is any good would choose to live in the more beautiful places on it.

[blkmusclmachine]

122. Christian haters twist their bigotry, hoping nobody notices how they eschew Christ's own words, in

favor of the venom their pastor dishes out weekly to his "sheep"/"flock"/"followers."

[olddots]

8. I can't type what I feel now

NT.

[yardwork]

10. It would be wonderful if straight Christians spoke out against this.

What if this video clip were discussed in adult Sunday school meetings, for instance. I have a feeling that a lot of Christians would not agree with this minister's statements, but I wonder how many are actually aware that there are supposed Christian leaders giving sermons like this.

It's Wednesday night, and I know that a lot of Baptists are meeting at their churches tonight. Wouldn't it be wonderful if groups around the nation used their time tonight to talk about this video clip?

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12. Thats sounds like a very constructive plan.

[Arugula Latte]

17. A lot of them are too busy claiming that athesits are the militant ones.

[RKP5637]

27. Yep, typically they are silent. Makes on wonder if that is an endorsement of this

type of insane rhetoric. Much of the hatred in this country is often displayed together with crosses and the US flag. Yet another WTF. Yet, generally, they remain silent. Ever notice in traffic the asshole weaving all over the place has a fish on the back of their car/van/truck? I have, at least around here.

[el_bryanto]

33. If they did it wouldn't be news and you wouldn't hear about it anyway

There's also the issue of shared culpability - many churches who would disagree with this persons views don't see themselves as part of the same congregation. While it's easy at DU to lump all Christians into one mass and hold all accountable for the sins of one, they don't look at it that way. There all kinds of churches from very intolerant and hateful like this persons congregation, to very welcoming and accepting.

This is essentially the same argument against moderate Muslims - "why don't they ever condemn acts of terrorism?" They do, but it doesn't make the papers usually because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Bryant

[Glassunion]

46. +1

[ChazII]

69. A protest march will be held this Sunday

morning according to our local NBC affiliate KPNX 12.

Pastors are speaking out but as you pointed out we may not see much coverage because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Edited to add the Facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/12news

[Mariana]

53. I think a lot of them just dismiss crazies like this

by saying "well, he's not a real Christian." We see that in the headline of the OP right in this thread, where the word Christian is put in quotation marks, to imply that this pastor isn't really a Christian. That's very convenient. Christians can simply decide isn't one of them, and therefore he isn't their problem.

[dgibby]

65. I put Christian in quotes when referring to these people, too,

but it's because they're not advocating Christ's teachings or following in his footsteps. As we say in the South, "just because the cat had her kittens in the oven doesn't make them biscuts. He can call himself anything, but it doesn't make him a true Christian.

[ChazII]

57. Perhaps those of us

who live in Arizona can spread this story. Your feeling is correct, imho, that many Christians would disagree with his words.

[JustAnotherGen]

79. This is a good idea

Im a UU - and we are welcoming and affirming - but we can't let up on others.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Every single day straight religious and political figures openly threaten LGBT Americans will full

impunity. But straight folks love them some clergy, yes they do, a Pope and a smile, that's their motto.

[Dwayne Hicks]

14. Wow

Isn't this advocating for murder against a group of people? Why have there been no charges filed?

[RKP5637]

28. ... because religion gets a free pass in this country. Say anything outrageous, then say god

directed you, you heard the voice of god, and that gets a nod OK.

[TimeToEvolve]

15. what an un-evolved, violent, reactionary, spastic MONKEY he is, just like what you see at the zoo

I'm pretty sure that all born-yesterday christians are on the wrong side of the evolutionary bell curve

must be some sort of genetic fuck-up caused by all of that inbreeding

[dgibby]

62. I worked in a primate sanctuary

taking care of a baby gibbon (smallest of the apes). Believe me when I tell you they're light years ahead of this POS.

[Odin2005]

94. Please don't use "spastic" as an insult, it is a slur against people with cerebral palsy.

[TimeToEvolve]

137. i am sorry if i offended anyone here with my choice of words, but

the word 'Spastic' was the first word to come to my mind after watching him throw a screaming, foot- stomping little temper- tantrum, as he spewed his fascist drivel.

[sinkingfeeling]

16. I can't wait until Jesus comes back and sues all these fools for besmirching

his name.

[sinkingfeeling]

18. The SPLC has listed Steven Anderson as a 'hate group' according to

Right Wing Watch:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/organizations/faithful-word-baptist-church

By the way, this is a Baptist church, or so it claims to be.

[nomorenomore08]

138. A one-man hate group? In this case, the designation certainly fits. n/t

[NastyRiffraff]

19. Wait for it...

A lot of people will defend this monster by saying he's exercising his right of religious freedom and we should all "respect" his religious views even if we don't agree with them.

Honestly, there seems to be no limit to how far some people will bend themselves into a pretzel to "respect" religion, just because it is religion.

[el_bryanto]

34. A lot of people at DU will defend the proposition that Gays should all be executed?

Or a lot of people at DU will suggest that bigots like this don't reflect all Christianity or belief?

Bryant

[marble falls]

42. Or both. The guys a bigot and he represents no christian belief saying the hate he does.

[cali]

82. not here at DU.

[liberal_at_heart]

20. The Nazi comparison is used too often, but I would have to say that in this instance

this guy is a perfect comparison.

[whatthehey]

21. It may be taken more seriously if people stopped pretending

He's not a "Christian" in scare quotes. He is a Christian pure and simple speaking his deeply held beliefs about what is in the Bible every bit as genuinely as Spong or Robinson, and he has quite direct, no "context" beset declarative unambiguous scriptural support for it. Any time we say ANY of those Christian DHBs are off limiits for criticism or even questioning, we perpetuate the wall of silence around Christian extremism that makes omerta seem like a party line on Christmas Eve. The OP, quite probably subconsciously, perpetuates this by allowing the faithful, who rarely say a fucking word against cretins like this in public, to separate themselves from the "Christians" both implicitly and explicitly, just like they do every time we pretend thugs and demogogues are "Christians" instead of what they are - 100% real Christian extremists acting on their direct and real faith. They are saying and doing these obscenities BECAUSE they are Christians who simply disagree on what the faith should do with the handwringers who'd like to pretend the loons should be in scare quotes so felllow Christians can avoid the challenge of proving them wrong in the faith.

[Mariana]

74. It's very convenient, isn't it?

I'll grant that it would be embarrassing to be associated with someone like this guy, but just dismissing him as "not a real Christian" is the easy way out. It's a neat way for Christians to avoid confronting and speaking out about creeps like this. He's not a real Christian = He's not our problem.

[Bluenorthwest]

98. You will always see that one, also they will claim he's not even straight. 'He's closted gay and not

our problem'. It never fails.

[hifiguy]

118. Yep. That's just another riff on the "No True Scotsman"

fallacy/method of denial.

[MrScorpio]

22. I have this pressing urge to take a gander at this man's closet...

I'm quite interested in what we'd find.

[RKP5637]

29. Typically that's quite true. It's the same old psychological projection from asses

like this. We see/hear it over and over again. His rantings sound like those of a madman.

[jmowreader]

49. I shudder to think what we might find

[dgibby]

67. I'm guessing Narnia. nt

[ReRe]

75. Well... didn't he say he knows one...

... when he sees one? (Or something to that effect?) Does make you wonder how he "knows." Me thinks he does protestith a little too much.

[Bluenorthwest]

97. I do long for a story about a straight hate monger which straight people say 'I'm sorry' about

instead of saying 'that guy's just gay'. It is an option.

[ReRe]

108. You MUST have gotten up...

... on the wrong side of the bed this morning. And/or you've got a heavy chip on your shoulder. If your rhetorical complaint is that I am homophobic, you're wrong. What I do have a phobia of is the hypocrisy of fundamentalist religious zealots like this man, and here's why:

Going back to when I was a kid growing up in an evangelistic church similar to the one he is a pastor of. I didn't have much against it when I was a young child, as we just studied Bible stories in our Sunday School classes and at Vacation Bible Schools during the summer school vacation period. Ate allot of cookies and drank allot of kool-aid. Had a great time.

But when I became a HS student, my views of the church began to change. You see, I had a SS teacher (a woman) who preached fire and brimstone to us, as if we were all a bunch of criminals who were going straight to Hell. I didn't appreciate her treating our class like that, as all of us had grown up in that church and you couldn't have found a nicer bunch of kids. I had to put up with her shit every Sunday for the 4 yrs I was in HS.

OK. Graduated HS and went off to college one state away and later when I got out of college moved even farther away and got married and started my family. Years later (10 yrs maybe), when I returned home for a visit with my Mom, I learned that that SS teacher had done a Newt Gingrich job on her sick husband. She had divorced him and married a man 10 years her younger, whom she had been having an affair with since who knows when.

Needless to say, the only time I ever stepped inside that church again was when I visited my Mom. If I acted like I didn't want to go, she would get mopey and I would give in and go with her to make her happy. But otherwise, I haven't gone to church since. I don't resent my early years there, as I learned everything that I retain till today. The memorized Bible verses I still carry in my head, the Commandments, the stories from the old Testament, the Christmas Plays, the Junior Choir. I treasure those early childhood days there, but I rue the rest.

So, when I said what I said, I meant what I said. I don't think there is anything more despicable than a fundamentalist evangelical zealot minister who preaches his morality on the pulpit, and then goes out and does exactly the opposite thru the week. Like Jimmy Swaggert or Jim Baker. I would not put it past that minister to be doing the opposite of what he preaches.

[Bluenorthwest]

125. I spoke my mind. This gets from you a lecture about you and snark about me.

I'll repeat it because it is true: I do long for a story about a straight hate monger which straight people say 'I'm sorry' about instead of saying 'that guy's just gay'. It is an option.

It gets boring being told every straight Christian bigot is neither straight nor a Christian. Sorry if that bugs you, I'm sure you are personally a wonderful person but that does not alter what I'd like to see for once, straight people not claiming their own bigots are all really gay people. It's tiresome.

[nomorenomore08]

139. I'm not one to automatically assume that violent homophobes are closeted - most are just creeps -

but I'm sure this guy's harboring some kind of "dark secret." Psychological issues that deep-seated don't come from nowhere.

[Peace Patriot]

23. Guess who's 'counting' all our votes?

ES&S (which bought out Diebold) now controls about 75% of the electronic voting systems in the country, all run on 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that the public is forbidden to review--with half the states doing NO AUDIT AT ALL (all electronic, no paper ballot) and the rest doing only a miserably inadequate (1%) audit (comparison of ballots to electronic totals).

The initial and major investor in ES&S (now ES&S/Diebold) was Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the far rightwing, nutball religious Chalcedon foundation, which advocates the death penalty for homosexuals!

You wonder what's wrong with this country? THAT'S what's wrong! We've had our citizen duty to count our own votes ripped out of our hands and placed in the hands of far rightwing nutballs, like this 'pastor.' This occurred recently (circa 2002 to 2004 - result of the "Help America Vote for Bush Act" passed by the Anthrax Congress in 2002). This was not the first wrecking ball to U.S. democracy; it was the last, the final blow--and, until we fix it, nothing can or will change. E-voting locked in the power of transglobal corporations, the .01% and the "military-industrial-prison complex" by giving over the very counting of our votes to the far rightwing Urosovich brothers who run ES&S/Diebold (worse than the Koch brothers, believe me) who serve those interests.

Every political commentary discussing the political, economic or social ills plaguing our country needs to start with these facts; otherwise it's just air. FASCISTS AND NAZIS NOW CONTROL THE VERY COUNTING OF OUR VOTES.

It's so basic! Don't you wonder how a Congress with an 8% approval rating could be 'elected'? They WEREN'T elected. They were s/elected. Don't you wonder how one of the most progressive states in the U.S.--Wisconsin--could 'elect' a far rightwing, nutball governor? He WASN'T elected. He was s/elected. It's happening all over the country, wherever they think they can get away with it, which seems to be almost everywhere. And in the few places where they might not get away with it--say, California and New York--we get mostly pro-corporate, pro-war Democrats, not reformers.

It's quite deliberate, is my guess. It might even be a sort of secret 'market' for powerful political positions, with the reps of various forces bidding for s/elections. Hard to say, it's all been so SMOTHERED. But what is clear is that the far rightwing ES&S/Diebold HAS THIS POWER. Even paper ballots and mail-in ballots are run through their tabulators, and NOBODY is comparing 99% of those ballots to the electronic totals!

You worry about this 'pastor'? That's not who we should be worrying about. We've always had a tiny minority of dangerous nutballs like him. What we should be worrying about is who is s/electing nutball Congress persons and governors, and how they are doing it.

It is still possible to change this. States and local jurisdictions still have the power to chuck these 'TRADE SECRET' code machines into 'Boston Harbor' (so to speak) and go back to citizen-counted paper ballots (until we figure out foolproof electronics). It may not be easy but it is doable. THEN we can deal with corporate media, Citizens United, fascist police and everything else--when we have TRUE, actually elected, representatives in public office. Without taking back our voting system, we are fairly helpless to address any problem in a constructive way--in a way that the militarized police won't brutally shut down. Without taking back our voting system, there is almost NO REASON for those in public office to listen to us. They are NOT beholden to us--not only because of "money in politics," and not even primarily because of it. They are not beholden to us because they were NOT ELECTED.

[ReRe]

77. + Umteen gazillion

I want paper ballots too. Send those damn rigged voting machines back to the companies and demand our money back. We need to add a new Amendment to the Constitution that this country will hereafter NEVER AGAIN trust any machine to count our votes. We could count the votes by hand as fast as or faster and more accurately than any manipulative computer.

Also, lengthen the voting period for everyone in all states. We get only one 12 hour period (1/2 day) to cast our votes in this podunk red state I reside in.

[Bluenorthwest]

99. My State has no voting machines, paper ballots, excellent counting systems and liberal victories

coming from large turnout. This means I get to worry about the hateful fuckers from the Straight Community speaking hate against my people. Nothing I can do about your State having backward elections. That's YOUR job.

[Peace Patriot]

112. Don't be so smug! What happens to your "paper ballot" after you vote?

You didn't name your state, so I can't do YOUR work for you and find out the likely truth, that your ballot is fed into an ELECTRONIC SCANNER and then your ballot is tossed into a dust bin and is never seen again--is very unlikely to be among the miserably inadequate 1% that are audited, or in case of a very rare and very expensive (almost impossible) recount, your vote won't be likely to show up in the miserably inadequate 3% 'recount.' The vast majority of ballots are NEVER COUNTED by human eyes and hands under human observation. Once scanned, your "vote" then exists as a stream of HIGHLY MANIPULABLE electrons that are shot over the wires from the scanner into the CENTRAL TABULATOR, scanner and tabulator more than likely controlled by the far rightwing corporation, ES&S/Diebold (75% of the voting machines in the country) or by some other big corporation, both using 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that you and I are forbidden to review.

This is bad enough, in itself, that we are being sold the ILLUSION, in half of the states in the country--the ones with ballots and scanners--that our votes are being counted. THEY ARE NOT. But it is even worse in the other half of the states, which don't even have the capability of an audit--the ones with no ballot at all.

I don't know if your view that this is "my problem" is naivete or snark, but this situation is very much your problem, and mine, and the problem of all U.S. citizens. What happens in South Carolina, or Wisconsin, or wherever, as to the LACK OF real vote counts, very much affects us all. You just have to take a glance at this 8%-approval-rating Congress to know that.

So, what state do you live in? And do ordinary citizens count the ballots in your state--or do machines do it, with privately owned and controlled 'TRADE SECRET' code?

And, EVEN IF your state is the rarest of entities in this country, where citizens are actually still counting the votes and no private corporation has any control over it, you should be appalled that all the other states are sending people to Washington, none of whom can prove that they were elected, and are putting outright nutballs into governorships and other offices, who are trying to lead the country backwards a hundred years and more, on every issue of importance, from labor rights to fracking to false science in the public schools.

I have no problem with you worrying "about the hateful fuckers from the Straight Community speaking hate against my people." What makes you think that his targets are not my people, too? What makes you think I'm not worried about it? All I said is that people who believe in, and promote, the death penalty for homosexual, are closely associated with the people who have taken over our vote counting system with 'TRADE SECRET' code! THAT is much more worrisome to me than some dingbat preacher because THAT makes the dingbat preacher's scary hate-mongering CAPABLE BEING MADE INTO LAW?

[Bluenorthwest]

128. I know how our votes are counted

If you are under the impression that hand counting is not rife with opportunities for cheating, you are mistaken. We have a hand recount going on right now and believe me security and checks are big concerns on both sides of the issue.
I am free to address the issues of my choice. It's that simple. You do not get to tell me what to care about. Learn to live with it.

[Peace Patriot]

136. I didn't say that hand-counting is perfect.

But machine 'counting' of votes that are nothing but manipulable electrons or the electronic 'totals' of paper ballots, with all the electronics controlled largely by ONE, PRIVATE, FAR RIGHTWING-CONNECTED CORPORATION, using 'TRADE SECRET' code, is a way, way, WAY wrong for a country that is supposed to be a democracy. Privately controlled electronic voting and tabulation is the old "ballotbox stuffing" but on steroids, this time hidden by 'TRADE SECRET' code whereby the manipulation, on a vast scale, and at a level of complexity and subtlety that ordinary citizens can hardly fathom, let alone see and verify, can literally destroy any vestige of democracy, and, I believe is quickly doing so.

"Ballotbox stuffing" can certainly occur with paper ballots, but it CANNOT occur in the vast, complex and unseeable fashion of e-voting and e-tabulating. There is no comparison.

You say "I know how our votes are counted." Well, please describe it, if you will. And what rare state do you live in that has no private corporate electronics involved in the process?

You say, "We have a hand recount going on right now...". That tells me nothing. HOW MUCH of the vote is being 'hand-counted'? And if, as I suspect, you have privately coded electronic tabulators (into which scanned ballots are fed), WHY ISN'T THE VOTE 100% AUDITED EVERY ELECTION, or even TEN PERCENT (the size of audit recommended by election experts whom I respect--who say that 10% is the MINIMUM needed to detect fraud in an electronic voting system). Maybe your state is an exception and does a real recount (100%, or at the very least, 10%). Please tell us, so that it can used as an example to others. And, please, what state do you live in?

OF COURSE you can choose your own issues of concern. I'm sorry if I got too much on my soapbox and wrote as if my concern is superior. I didn't mean to say it that way. I am, indeed, much more concerned about nutball homophobes getting power in public office than I am about one nutball homophoblic preacher. But that doesn't mean that your concern is off-base in any way. It is very much on-base. This preacher is disgusting and dangerous. I just don't want to see him in Congress, and I greatly fear that that's what's coming, if we don't take back our voting system. The nuttiness there and in other public offices is already at an alarming level, for which, I firmly believe, we can blame ES&S/Diebold and their 'TRADE SECRET' code, s/electing public officials who do NOT represent most people.

[One_Life_To_Give]

24. Becase the Ten Commandments are subservient to Leviticus nt

[jmowreader]

48. Now hang on just a minute...

Wasn't Moses on his way back from wiping a village off the face of the earth when he went to Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments? Moses was the Colonel Kilgore of the Bible, except that, like Charlie, he didn't surf.

[Octafish]

25. Steven Anderson needs to read.

http://www.ushmm.org/exhibition/persecution-of-homosexuals/

[nichomachus]

26. If any of my gay friends or acquaintances

thought as much and as vividly about sex as right-wing Christians do, I would strongly urge them to get into sex-addict therapy. These Christians are absolutely obsessed with gay sex.

I'm reminded of the story of the two Buddhist monks who were walking along together. They came to a stream, and there was a woman there who asked if they could carry her across. One monk picked her up, carried her across, and put her down.

The two monks continued walking and a few hours later, the monk who had carried the woman noticed that the other monk was sullen and quiet. He asked him what the problem was. The other monk said "You touched a woman. You broke your vows." The first monk said "Yes, but I put the woman down on the other side of the stream. You've been carrying her for three hours."

[Initech]

61. It really is disturbing isn't it?

I bet a good lot of these so called "Christian" pastors could use some serious mental therapy to get over their hate and homophobia. I wish the Vulcan mind meld was real, I'd love to get inside the head of one of these hate mongerers and know what they think and how they think.

[nomorenomore08]

140. I always wonder, why would an ostensibly straight person spend any significant amount of time

thinking about gay sex? I know I certainly don't - and it's not that the idea bothers me, I'm simply indifferent to it.

[FiveGoodMen]

31. That should land him in prison for life

How much more of a terroristic threat could anyone make?

[FiveGoodMen]

32. When anyone comes to you claiming to speak for god

you're actually talking to the devil.

[geretogo]

35. It is scary to think the Christian right wing would vote for him if he ran for President in Fascist

America .

[CubicleGuy]

36. I think these "Christians" have forgotten something

The reason they call themselves Christians is because this guy named Jesus came along and established a new covenant between God and man. So pretty much all of that Old Testament stuff is supposed to go away, and instead of worshipping a God of vengeance, they're now supposed to be worshipping a God of love. If they'd rather stick to Old Testament teachings, then, by all means, they should just throw away their copies of the New Testament and stick with the Law of Moses.

But then they just have to remember that they're no longer Christians when they do that. They can't have it both ways.

[Odin2005]

37. How is this not incitement to kill and thus illegal?

[Trillo]

38. Does the First Amendment protect

anything a "pastor" or a religion might say?

Is that why we never hear of DAs going after these people inciting hatred?

[Zorra]

39. Dude's brain must be like, full of worms or something. nt

[moriah]

41. Shocking ignorance of science.

Straight people get HIV, too.

Not that I expected him to be versed on science, of course. It's probably an abomination as well.

[Bluenorthwest]

100. Since the epidemic began, almost 89,683 persons with an AIDS diagnosis, infected through

heterosexual sex, have died, included an estimated 3,516 in 2011.

[moriah]

109. My Dad was one of them, or he might be in the sharing needles statistic.

We don't really know where he got it, but he was an IV drug user and he recalls sharing needles once.

[Bluenorthwest]

129. So sorry to hear that.

So many people were lost before their time.

[Initech]

44. Hey IRS! Time to start revoking this hatemongering assholes' tax exempt status!

[Sheepshank]

45. Well isn't that just so spe-shal

even more special is how he will be vociferously supported but like minded persons, and given free reign to continue on this tack.

[Enthusiast]

50. This guy is one sick fuck.

[Moostache]

51. Matthew 25:40

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

John 11:35

Jesus wept.

[Mariana]

54. These guys pick and choose whom they call "brethren"

and their "neighbors" and so on. It's too bad Jesus wasn't more clear on the idea that ALL people are supposed to be considered "brethren" and "neighbors" and so on.

[Bluenorthwest]

87. Actually Jesus was extremely clear that all people espcially including those counted as lesser by

society are to be treated as if each of them was Jesus himself. He includes the hungry, the sick, people in prison without regard to guilt or innocence, the homeless 'that which you did not do for the least of these, my brothers and sisters, you did not do for me.'

[nomorenomore08]

141. +1000

"I was hungry and you gave me food, I was in prison and you visited me, etc. etc."

[Mike Nelson]

52. They put Charles Manson in prison for this kind of behavior...

I would investigate his "flock" and see if there is a potential for violence...

[lpbk2713]

55. Tis the season to be fuggen homicidal.

This guy is most definitely a screwball.

[Don Draper]

56. Believe it or not

I was actually pretty good friends with this crazy preacher's brother in high school. I never would have thought my friend's brother would have turned out to be such a nut job.

[armed_and_liberal]

58. My inner redneck tells me

That boy needs a real ass whuppin'

[nomorenomore08]

142. +1

Somebody needs to show this asshole where the line is...

[jwirr]

59. Any and all the preachers who preach hate are terrorists.

[tclambert]

60. Finally a case where comparing someone to the Nazis makes perfect sense.

Idiot. You know, whenever someone hates gays that much, it makes me wonder if he is repressing his own gay urges. He takes it so personally, as if acceptance of gays threatens his own way of life somehow.

[dgibby]

63. Forget about putting "Christ" back into Christmas.

What we need to do is put Him back in "Christians". Sure do hope the SPLC is on this one.

[dgibby]

66. Bet he'd squeel like a stuck pig if

somebody called for the execution of every homophobic "Christian" by Christmas. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it.

[ChazII]

68. Protest to take place this Sunday

at his church.

[Tsiyu]

70. Yeah, we should kill all the old testament-based sinners

people who eat shellfish and rabbit
people who plant more than one crop in a field
people who wear clothes that are made of more than one type of thread
teenagers who are unruly
people who don't sacrifice lambs and bulls on their outdoor BBQ pits

Let's just start burning witches and satisfying our primitive bloodlust and call that what our Invisible Sky Daddy wants - murder.

Religion is such a bunch of shit.

This asswipe needs a shrink or a prison cell, not a congregation to turn in to a cult.

[JackInGreen]

72. If he wants to follow Leviticus

we could stone him to death for cutting his hair and beard and wearing those mixed fabrics.........not that I need an excuse in this case....

[Rex]

73. But in his heart, he belongs to Jesus.

[cali]

78. just went to youtube to check out this hateful piece of dog shit. wow.

he's a racist, homophobe, anti-semite, Islamophobe, misogynist.

[trusty elf]

80. Betcha the guy turns out to be another Ted Haggart. nt

[SamKnause]

81. The chuckling giggling congregation

is the most disturbing part of this video.

The man has an audience !!!!!!!!!!

The cults of hate and brainwashing are really having a devastating effect on this country and the world.

[santroy79]

83. well in all fairness to this nut case pastor

is does say that in the bible.


Maybe people will get the message to not blindly follow a book written a long time ago and stop taking it on every word.

Think about it. If you believe the bible is the true word of God you cant pick and choose which words to follow.

I just think religion is sometimes crazy on its surface. So do you believe the Noah story? yes. Do you believe the whale story? yes do you believe gays should be put to death ? No what about eating pig? No

Every person picks and chooses what to believe from the bible. Its kind of silly. And most churches will never bring up the absurd stuff like putting gays to death. Like the last 3 churches I attended. They will never bring up the stuff that makes the bible look bad. Like God killed the first born or flooded the entire world and killed everyone but a couple of people on a boat and some animals.


I say all this but I do have some beliefs. Just not so sure the bible is where the answers are.

[gregcrawford]

84. This psychopath is the total antithesis of "Christian"

... and Christ wouldn't cross the street to piss on this asshole if he was on fire.

[Iggo]

85. How many has he executed so far?

[99Forever]

86. Don't worry, Eric Holder and his crack judicial team will get right on the case.

Well...

... right after they finish taking down all of the pot smokers, that is.

[gordianot]

88. Have you noticed recently how confident and comfortable bigots and racist appear?

They do appear to be much bolder. So far they have been able stave off the Federal Government such as Bundy Ranch, speak out in mass as in St. Louis support of Darren Wilson, the logical next step is to engage in violence beyond the usual lone nut pattern. You will not hear a Republican condemn this type of threat. They do want attention and support.

[Bluenorthwest]

103. Will I hear Democrats condemn this? Even here half the comments are 'he's really gay' or 'he is not

really a Christian'. They don't condemn it, they distance themselves from it by claiming the bigot is really gay and that the pastor with a big church is not really a Christian.

[gordianot]

104. Unfortunately that does happen here. I am a Democrat and I condemn it. n/t

[Major Nikon]

106. Furthermore he's just saying openly what many Christians believe

There's no shortage of Christians out there who actually think homosexuality is some kind of demonic disease that's transferable.

[Zambero]

90. Separation of church and state

Thank you once again, to the drafters of the U.S. Constitution and its amendments. If not for the First Amendment this country could well be subject to the whims and evil deeds of these so-called "moral crusaders".

[ladyVet]

91. ALL gay people in three weeks?

That's quite a list of folks to get around to, what with the War on Christmas to fight as well. Busy holiday season, for realz.

Maybe we should be executing all the people like him? The world would be a better place.

[Eleanors38]

92. "Armed Gays Don't Get Bashed" -- Pink Pistols.

This "rev" probably knows this, so he'll just run his mouth, hoping some other sucker is stupid enough to act out.

[spanone]

93. jesus wept.

[Ex Lurker]

95. Before I clicked on this I knew it would be one of two people

Steven Anderson or Kevin Swanson.

[Orsino]

101. How long before his sex tape is released?

"Decency" crusades are always distractions. Always.

[notadmblnd]

102. can't these people be charged with inciting violence?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

105. This guy needs to have a meeting with the big guy like this!

I can dream ya know! There are times I think that something like this would be the only way for jerks like this to understand.

[IHateTheGOP]

113. Thank you Pastor Steven Anderson!!

Thank you Pastor Steven Anderson for doing more than even you realize to destroy the worst thing man ever created. God.

[LWolf]

115. The worst part about this

is that it's just another step. The general public, hearing something a few times, may be repulsed. The more often it's repeated, though, the more legitimate it becomes, until people are no longer repulsed. This has been the strategy used by the right wing for decades now, helped along with deregulation of the media under Reagan and Clinton.

This stage has been set by Limbaugh, Beck, and their colleagues, spewing right-wing hate over the national airwaves, moving in small increments to empower people to hate.

What is shocking today may be accepted as business as usual tomorrow if we can't stop the juggernaut of enabled psychopathy in its march of cultural destruction.

[Stainless]

116. Sub Human Scum

Steven Anderson and his congregation.

[sammy750]

117. Why aren't the FEDS going after this guy. He needs to be arrested

and charged for killing of gay people. Where are the FEDS?

[blkmusclmachine]

120. Bet he'll be invited to the next President's Prayer Breakfast in February.

[ChazII]

124. A protest is scheduled for today

in front of his store front church. The pastors organizing the protest were interviewed a couple of nights ago.

edited to add time of protest

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/05/1349738/-Pastor-Anderson-protest-Sunday-Tempe

[RKP5637]

126. K&R! n/t

[PumpkinAle]

127. Oh yes, the Lord spake and told me

to annihilate a group of people because ...............

No, this is just some despot who has decided that he wants power and glory and a rally point to stir the pot. This "pastor" is a true terrorist and something needs to be done with him - I think Guantanamo for starters.

[yuiyoshida]

130. So after he has

eradicated all the gays/lesbian/transgendered, than Non Christians, and Non Whites are next. Wow, I may have to start taking Ninjitsu classes next semester.

[William769]

131. Kick & recommend.

[ChazII]

132. Peaceful demonstration against this vile

man took place this morning in front of his church. I attended and there were about 150 people.

[Monk06]

133. This guy is the pastor for Faith Baptist an Independent Baptist Church or IFB. IFBs are

a cult like breakaway group who severed ties with the Baptist Convention because they consider mainstream Baptists un biblical and heretical.

In other words they too extreme even for the Southern Baptist Convention, the most racist and reactionary protestant group out there.

This guy openly states that Judaism is a faith based on lies, that they openly break contracts and steal from gentiles ad nauseam.

It's the same brand of christianity practiced by the Aryan Nations and Christian Identity movements.

[ChazII]

134. Local Fox station interview with pastor

and demonstrators.

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/27569506/2014/12/07/tempe-pastor-remains-unapologetic-in-his-call-for-christians-to-kill-gay-people

It was good to see different denominations coming together as one voice.

[fingrin]

135. Sadly this is present everywhere, not just the US

Pastor told gay Christian: Go kill yourself

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/63934551/Pastor-told-gay-Christian-Go-kill-yourself

[merrily]

143. A turd with legs. Sick fuck.