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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRWNJs _K N O W_ they were wrong on Fergusen so they're using Staten Island for cover.
I honestly think a lot of them were shocked at the blowback they got when they naturally sided with Darren Wilson. Usually they can do that with impunity and it surprised them. So they doubled down, got louder, and generally looked like even bigger, less rational assholes than normal (see Joe Scarborough's rant as exhibit A: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/scarborough-rants-against-rams-dems-for-hands-up-gesture-you-know-its-a-lie/), going so far as to rail against the Rams players' rights to express an opposing view.
But Garner in Staten Island? Virtually to the last bloviating RW commentator they're saying it's a miscarriage of justice. They're bending over backward to look reasonable. This is not evidence of evolving sensitivity, this is making a deposit on cover for the next time they express their true opinion on the inevitable next cop-executes-black person event.
blm
(113,019 posts).
mythology
(9,527 posts)and see them different based on the circumstances. In the New York case, the officer used a prohibited restraint technique and there wasn't a physical confrontation between the officer and the suspect and there was only Wilson in Ferguson but in the Garner case there were multiple officers.
Additionally there is the difference between the underlying crime of stealing while shoving around a much smaller store clerk and selling tax-free cigarettes which only indirectly impacts individuals and can be seen less bad because nobody enjoys paying taxes.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)he was just selling single cigarettes to people who could not or would not afford an entire pack. Cigarette are not cheap.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,824 posts)their usual pro-cop/anti-black positions on this one and banking the impression of reasonableness for next time. Next time they'll be able to say 'look, I thought the Garner decision was a horrible miscarriage of justice and I took a lot of grief from some of my fellow conservatives for taking that position but this thug in Town X had those 50 bullet holes coming!'
blm
(113,019 posts).
doc03
(35,300 posts)opinion. I think Zimmerman should be in prison, the cops in Cleveland that shot the 12 year old should be prosicuted, the ones that shot the
guy at Walmart in Cincinnatti should too. But I disagree on the Brown/Wilson case, they are all different cases.
blm
(113,019 posts)(ruled to be unconstitutional in 1985) as a basis for the grand jury to not indict.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/29/darren-wilsons-grand-jurors-were-told-to-base-decision-on-law-ruled-unconstitutional-in-1985-video/
Seems like the rule of law gets ignored depending on the outcome.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)For Darren Wilson there was no video and the witness accounts were varying with changing stories and some completely fabricated accounts.
blm
(113,019 posts).
blm
(113,019 posts)The majority that said Brown's hands were raised.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And while many witnesses said they saw Brown's hands raised in some fashion, there was wide disagreement over what the gesture meant, as the Washington Post reported.
"One witness who thought Brown was charging said she saw his hands balled up into fists. Others thought the raised hands were a gesture of surrender, though some of these witnesses said they were not lifted in the traditional way, with the hands high and palms facing forward. Others thought Brown had touched a wound on his body and raised his hands in shock."
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One, an autopsy performed by the county, showed that the sixth gunshot that struck Brown took a trajectory that did not suggest Brown had his hands in the air in a surrender position. The shot entered the forearm from the back and traveled into the inner arm from there, "inconsistent with Brown having his arms in the air, palms facing outward, in an attempt to surrender," reported the National Review.
http://news.yahoo.com/did-michael-brown-really-hands-shot-172812909.html
blm
(113,019 posts)he was running away. One does pump their arms when running, doesn't one?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)with a unanimous vote, given the existing witnesses and evidence?
frylock
(34,825 posts)what other acts that have a low probability of no conviction should we not send to trial, and who gets to make that decision? i honestly cannot believe that i'm seeing excuses like this!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)because of double jeopardy. He can never be prosecuted again.
On the other hand, if he is not tried now, there is the possibility that some damning new evidence will turn up in the future, in which case it will be possible to bring charges.
blm
(113,019 posts)Not like all murder victims deserve justice, anyway, eh? So old-fashioned, dontcha think?