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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts) Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:15 PM Dec 2014

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Easily, huh? bluestateguy Dec 2014 #1

the title is snark.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #5

I've missed the parts that support your headline wryter2000 Dec 2014 #2

that is the point..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #4

... Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #7

thanks wryter2000 Dec 2014 #13

He ALSO called it Progress and said we should defend it... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #3

Interesting experiment! n/t Denzil_DC Dec 2014 #6

This is pure nonsense. Harkin made a remark like this! sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #8

pointless at theis point belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #9

No, noe pointless at all sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #10

bad op no doughnut belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #12

Cali_Democrate, please remove this sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #11

OK I will remove it. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #14

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)

1. Easily, huh?

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:27 PM

Dec 2014

And how, looking back on it all now, would you have proposed getting Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Blanche Lincoln and Joe Lieberman to support single payer? They would not even vote for cloture if the bill even had a public option. Single payer may well have bled even more votes away from the ACA. At best a public option had 54 votes in the Senate, not even close to what is needed for cloture. And a single payer vote would have less than 54.

Pelosi did a whip count in the House in late 2009 for a public option and stalled out at 205-206, twelve votes short. That was just for a public option; single payer would be a far bigger commitment to ask from them, and some votes would have likely fallen off the wagon.

The notion that Obama could have just made a few swooning speeches and a few phone calls to congressmen is kind of a quaint revisionist history that neglects the reality of the times. This isn't LBJ and the 1960's anymore.

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VanillaRhapsody

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5. the title is snark....

Reply to bluestateguy (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:36 PM

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wryter2000

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2. I've missed the parts that support your headline

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:31 PM

Dec 2014

Or do I have to read the links?

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VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)

4. that is the point.....

Reply to wryter2000 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:35 PM

Dec 2014

Some people here would LOVE to think it.....

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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

7. ...

Reply to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:37 PM

Dec 2014

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wryter2000

(47,940 posts)

13. thanks

Reply to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:01 PM

Dec 2014

I thought that might be the case, but you see so many insane things here, I thought you might be serious.

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VanillaRhapsody

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3. He ALSO called it Progress and said we should defend it...

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:34 PM

Dec 2014

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Denzil_DC

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6. Interesting experiment! n/t

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:36 PM

Dec 2014

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sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)

8. This is pure nonsense. Harkin made a remark like this!

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:40 PM

Dec 2014

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belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)

9. pointless at theis point

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:44 PM

Dec 2014

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sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)

10. No, noe pointless at all

Reply to belzabubba333 (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:52 PM

Dec 2014

plain wrong. Bernie never said that we could have gotten a
single payer system, it was Senator Harkin, who mentioned it
recently. A very bad OP!

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belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)

12. bad op no doughnut

Reply to sadoldgirl (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:57 PM

Dec 2014

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sadoldgirl

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11. Cali_Democrate, please remove this

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:56 PM

Dec 2014

deceiving title from your OP. People may not read others
that you may post, due to lack of belief!

Get your facts straight!

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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

14. OK I will remove it. nt

Reply to sadoldgirl (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:02 PM

Dec 2014

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