Kerry Puts BRAKES On CIA TORTURE REPORT

[Segami]

Secretary of State John Kerry personally phoned Dianne Feinstein, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Friday morning to ask her to delay the imminent release of her committee’s report on CIA torture and rendition during the George W. Bush administration, according to administration and Congressional officials. Kerry was not going rogue -- his call came after an interagency process that decided the release of the report early next week, as Feinstein had been planning, could complicate relationships with foreign countries at a sensitive time and posed an unacceptable risk to U.S. personnel and facilities abroad. Kerry told Feinstein he still supports releasing the report, just not right now.

“What he raised was timing of report release, because a lot is going on in the world -- including parts of the world particularly implicated -- and wanting to make sure foreign policy implications were being appropriately factored into timing,” an administration official told me. "He had a responsibility to do so because this isn’t just an intel issue -- it’s a foreign policy issue."

But those concerns are not new, and Kerry’s 11th-hour effort to secure a delay in the report’s release places Feinstein in a difficult position: She must decide whether to set aside the administration’s concerns and accept the risk, or scuttle the roll-out of the investigation she fought for years to preserve. Hill staffers and human rights advocates saw the Kerry call as a stunning reversal by an administration that has publicly supported the report’s release for months. For Senate Republicans, who have warned about the potential fallout for more than a year, the administration is belatedly coming around to agree with their position. “There’s always a lot going on in the world and the timing of the release of a report like this never convenient,” one senior GOP senate staffer said. "They should have thought about that a long time ago and advocated against the release." For the large community of nongovernmental organizations and human rights groups that have been fighting for the release, the administration’s action is a betrayal, and also a sign that the whole issue has been poorly managed.

“The administration’s reactions to Senator Feinstein have been surprising and suggest that there are competing forces inside the executive branch with no strategic direction,” said Mieke Eoyang, a former intelligence committee staffer who now serves as the Director of the National Security Program at Third Way, a center-left think tank. “In life, if you waited for a good time to come clean, you might never come clean.”

Any delay would be a huge problem for Feinstein for several reasons. First of all, her staff just completed a grueling months-long negotiation with the CIA over what details would make it into the final release. Those negotiations were personally mediated by President Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Denis McDonough, who flew to San Francisco several times to negotiate directly with Feinstein. Second, if the release is pushed off past next week, Feinstein will no longer head the committee, and the incoming chairman, Republican Richard Burr, could very well prevent the report from being released at all. That could negate years of work by Feinstein’s investigators and prevent the report’s conclusions, many of which will be disputed vigorously by the CIA, from ever coming to light. Last, Feinstein is set to deliver a major speech about the report at a Dec. 10 gala event hosted by Human Rights First, which is awarding her and Sen. John McCain the “Beacon Prize” for “their leadership to end the use of torture and other cruel treatment of prisoners by the United States.” As Feinstein wrestles with Kerry’s request, her staff must be furiously rewriting that speech.





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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-05/kerry-puts-brakes-on-cia-torture-report

[deutsey]

1. Oy

[razorman]

58. Indeed. I have a feeling that there will turn out to be many dirty hands

in both parties, when (and if) the truth ever comes out. Thus, the long-time stonewalling.

[CJCRANE]

2. We're running blind. Let the sun shine in. nt

[Segami]

4. If this gets delayed or postponed until republicans get control of senate,

kiss it goodbye,....it will never see the light again.

[Autumn]

27. He and Obama are counting on just that.

what a fucking game they play.

[woo me with science]

55. ^^^^^^^^^

[arcane1]

29. I'm sure that would be merely an unforseen and unfortunate coincidence.

"How could we have knows the repubs wouldn't release it?"

[SylviaD]

33. I fear this is what is going on...

I don't want to believe that....I don't want to think they could be that cynical, that scheming.........

am i gullible?

[dixiegrrrrl]

98. At this stage of the game, I have no expectations of trustworthy decisions from the WH or Congress.

When they do good, I get to have a happy surprise, but my realism meter pretty much stays low.

[TheKentuckian]

3. I am ashamed of ever voting for your complicit ass, John Kerry.

[blm]

17. Anxious for more of ISIL's American hostages to be killed, eh?

Let's get MORE people killed in 2014 because of BUSH'S TORTURE PRACTICES from 2002-2008 that were finally ended in 2009.

Yeah…..it is ALL Obama and Kerry's fault that the world is such a fvcked up place after 4 decades of BushInc.

[KingCharlemagne]

23. That is a false canard (that releasing the report will somehow endanger Americans'

lives). The peoples of the Middle East already know what was done by U.S. forces and forces affiliated with the U.S. As one example, female detainees at Abu Ghraib smuggled out a plea to the Iraqi Resistance that it mortar the female wing of AG because of the shame Americans had brought upon female detainees by their torture and sexual deviancy. How could releasing the report be any worse? Oh, wait, there are also reports of American forces raping and sodomizing Iraqi children in front of their parents to attempt to coerce those parents into turning informant on the self-same Iraqi resistance. Trust me, if I know about those reports, everyone in the Middle East already knows about them too.

I actually strongly protest your insinuation here -- that TheKentuckian wishes for any hostages to be killed or harmed. I think you should consider self-deleting it. To put the shoe on the other foot, why are you trying to hide the evidence of Bush and Cheney's war crimes and crimes against humanity?

[blm]

52. We all KNOW what happened - I'm sure it was WORSE than the report. But, anyone who

has actually been paying close attention to what Kerry has been doing in that region knows how earnestly and delicately he has been negotiating with Iran. Getting a coalition of Muslim nations to join together to confront ISIL has been a monumental accomplishment and the operation is at a key point. Fer chrissakes there is ONE person who is dedicated to doing the legwork needed and a whole pack of internet geniuses want him drawn and quartered.

The ops and imagery are so delicate the two sides can't even be open about it for fear of backlash from the extremists in both countries.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/05/iran-conducts-air-strikes-against-isis-exremists-iraq

[lumpy]

86. Hear hear- Some people here seem to believe they know more than they

actually do know.

[Volaris]

133. At this point, that backlash is what's needed, I think.

The only way to keep this from happening again, is for people to know, to have PROOF, of what what was done.
Yes, everyone in the middle east knows. And yes, we here at DU know (because we're not stupid).
But a lot of our fellow countrymen, sure as he'll DONT KNOW, and need to.
Yes it's a delicate bit of statecraft happening with Iran, as well as the greater middle east right now.
But one of the reasons it IS as difficult as it is, is because we should have NEVER invaded Iraq in the first place. If we want the future of American Foreign Policy in that region to be any EASIER in the long term than it has been in the past, releasing this report and admitting to our own war crimes is what needs to happen.

[yeoman6987]

152. You give Americans too much credit

If it presented that it made America safer by no other 911 and killed a bunch of terrorists this is my prediction of the reaction of the super majority of Americans.





I hate putting it that way, but I think I may be right. I would LOVE to be wrong.

[TheKentuckian]

135. I don't give a flying fuck about confronting ISIL and if the people in their cross hairs can't be

bothered to deal with them then to hell with them and there backwards ass sandpiles.

We need to be out and out yesterday, not creating a new cover up to hopefully and further looting our treasury and supposedly bullshit our way into continuing a decade and a half of failure because of some lame excuse of yet another boogieman by evading the truth for more years or forever.

To hell with covering for Bush and all of those that went along for another second from the same complicit bunch that brought us "impeachment is off the table", "we must look forward not backwards", and "we tortured some folks"/patriots under duress cop out bullshit.

This is toxic. If you can't see it then either you support it or you aren't thinking. What the hell is wrong with folks that think this path is acceptable for our country? Not even the accountability of the truth? What kind of nation of laws and justice is left to us?

You excuse is that the truth will make it hard to chase sand lice half a world a way? Whoptie fucking doo, get the fuck out from over there!

[blm]

155. Crushing the advancements being made by US-Iran and other Muslim nations doesn't

matter to you because you aren't thinking with any sight on the longterm goals that Kerry has, so far, been advancing. Tough for your 'opinionating' that you haven't been paying attention.

[TheKentuckian]

162. Long term goals my ass. Destabilizing Syria and trying to box Russia in are not my goals nor is

burning more blood and treasure for continuing the misadventures in Iraq.

My goals are not the maintenance and expansion of a surveillance dragnet.

My goals are not to set up pipelines and control mineral rights.

I'm not trying get to establish a new world order.

I have no ambitions to seed "democracies" (aka any regime no matter how closed or oppressive that plays ball) the middle east.


Too bad for all of our futures. Too bad for truth. Too bad for justice.

[blm]

169. Written like someone who has no idea who the bad guys are and knows little

about the 'issues' he claims to be important to him.

You haven't a clue who Kerry is beyond the silliness you have believed - that is evident.

[wildbilln864]

178. well said! and thanks for saying it!

prosecute the war criminals and then maybe the world will see that we mean to do the right thing! Fuck the Bush dynasty and fuck JK if he's aiding and abetting the cover up.

[blm]

194. How is asking for a delay in the release the same as covering it up?

Dontcha wish our embassies had a heads up and plenty of time to prepare before that anti-Muslim video hit YouTube?

[wildbilln864]

196. a delay?

for how long do you think this "delay" will last?

[blm]

199. How long do you think it will take Iran (w/US backing) to gain upper hand on ISIL?

Seems the majority of DUers stopped reading about ISIL when corporate media lost interest after the election. Sure was fun before the election for the media to keep blaming Obama for 'losing Iraq' after "Bush won Iraq' eh?



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-airstrikes-hit-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?_r=0

[TheKentuckian]

209. You're welcome and thank you for standing for what is right.

[blackspade]

41. What a silly arguement.

ISIS needs no 'excuse' to butcher any more hostages.
They will do it anyway.

[blm]

46. Bush's Torture Penchant begat ISIL. Kerry has been working with Muslim nations

including Iran to form an alliance against ISIL. It's a completely different tact than anything done before and needs to be done with utmost care and sensitivity. They need time to gain more ground against them. Taking potshots at Kerry for this is not only silly, but, a wave of it can lead to the exact opposite effect you want it to have - he's doing what always needed to be done post-Bush and none of you want to hear about it.

PS: The GOP takeover in January would NOT prevent the release of the report.

[TheKentuckian]

70. No, I'm anxious for truth. You seem to be anxious to cover up crimes of epic scale

that rip at our national fabric.

[blm]

72. You couldn't be wronger. I want Kerry's deal with Iran to succeed as soon

as possible so this report will NOT have the worst case scenario backlash expected.

In my view, anyone who thinks Kerry is doing this to protect BushInc is a numbskull completely unaware of the contents of the National Security Archives and Kerry's key role in protecting the historic record of the last 4 decades by investigating and exposing more government corruption than any single lawmaker of the last 4 decades. IranContra, BCCI, CIA drug running and even the S&L scandal were all uncovered by Kerry.

The reason we were even able to see the CIA memo of August 6, 2001 is due to precedent set by Kerry's investigations when he kept pressuring Bush1 WH for documents, taking him to court repeatedly.

The potshots against Kerry are unwarranted and being delivered by those ignoring and disrespecting the historic record.

Kerry wouldn't be speaking about this without important cause.

[TheKentuckian]

130. The historic record is that we continue to cover up crimes that erode the best of our national ideal

I don't give a shit about your weak excuses and pitiful appeals to authority.

There is no justifiable cause for continuing the cover up. This is punting until the TeaPubliKlans take the Senate and the cover up is safe to cover for BushCo, complicit Democrats, and for the security apparatus that has been screaming bloody murder.

[blm]

140. You are overthetop because you know my answers AREN'T weak and

are HONEST and based in reality.

Interesting that you don't want to publicly acknowledge that there is an enormous difference in asking for a short delay in a release and complete shutdown to protect Bush-Cheney.

There is no way the GOP can stop the release when they take over in January. It just doesn't work like that. Interesting that you need to pretend otherwise.

[mylye2222]

144. They know the difference.

They are just loving trashing regular targets.

[TheKentuckian]

148. OK, when is the release set for? What prevents the TeaPubliKlans from shelving it when

they take control?

What about the entire process and continuous efforts over years is supposed to inspire confidence from the same crowd who says "don't be sanctimonious" that calls the torturers "patriots", that declared "we must look forward not backwards", and who took "impeachment off the table"?

I have ZERO faith in this area and I have no idea why anyone would expect any looking back at how the last dozen years has played out.

[Marrah_G]

163. The problem is that it is never "the right time"

Not just with this, but with so many things. Politics uses it as an excuse to cover bad behavior. If our leaders had not acted badly in the first place we would not have to worry about this. But they did, because they knew there would be no consequences and that most likely the truth would not see the light of day until they are dead from old age.

[blm]

166. In this case, though, the stakes are as high as they can be. Either we reach

this turning point in that region WITH Iran and other Muslim nations aligned against their extremist forces, or we don't.

That anti-Muslim video spurred the riots that caused the deaths of scores around the world. No one is asking for the report to be deepsixed - just delayed while there are joint operations going on that could have a serious impact on all our futures.

[Marrah_G]

167. The stakes are always as high as they can be

It never changes and it will never change until we the people decide to stop allowing it.

[blm]

168. We are at the very POINT of change with this alliance with Iran and working with

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Muslim nations so THEY pick up the reins of their own responsibilities, and ending our involvements. People here want to smash all progress that has been made towards advancing Obama and Kerry's entirely different (from Bush-Cheney) policy goals, with some here hoping to try and pin all blame for Bush-Cheney's criminal acts on THIS team.

There IS no cover-up in delaying a report. Those claiming otherwise just want to bluster for the sake of blustering, completely mindless of the heavy lifting that has been going on to bring about the very results that most progressives claim they have wanted.

Here's a great idea - Hound Kerry out of State completely, let some lawmaker who HAS effected this nation's historic record more positively than Kerry has over the last 40 years, take over. Please name that person.

[Marrah_G]

170. Sigh

This isn't about Kerry. This isn't about one man, one president, one congress....

[blm]

174. At THIS time it most certainly is. Read ALL of the replies.

They post with a certainty that it is all about covering UP for Bush when Kerry has been working for the entirety of his public life in forcing disclosure of government. You would never know it by the tone of the posts smearing his motives on this. Kerry's work in bringing along a hard-fought for relationship with Iran doesn't get media focus because Kerry knows by now that corpmedia and the GOP will work 24/7 to screw up all progress he has made.

You may think that progress with Muslim nations, especially IRAN, isn't important, but, those paying close attention believe it is THE most positive path this nation could have taken with its foreign policy after the disastrous legacy of Bush-Cheney.

[mylye2222]

171. Some people here will never forgive

Kerry's loss in 2004. Thqt is the very bottom of all that bashing.

[lumpy]

83. The truth is, Kerry knows a helluva lot more than you or I do on how to handle

his job.

[TheKentuckian]

131. Your weak appeals to authority do not counter the need for the cover ups to end.

If he needs the lies to do his job then he needs a new line of work.

[mylye2222]

137. He isnt lying since he still stated

The report needs to be released
The world foreign policy current stage is just too tensed. Iran negociation, hostages...

[TheKentuckian]

138. When? Some distant future maybe after the participants are long dead and the nation has fallen

for decades down the memory and rabbit holes?

He is for continuing the already multi year cover up in perpetuity while singing a soft lullaby to inspire truth, justice, and even a token hint of accountability sleep for however long, possibly forever.

[KansDem]

179. It'll be released!

Just like the sealed JFK assassination files--due to be released in 2029!

From 1992--

The former House Select Committee on Assassinations sent 848 boxes of unpublished documents it had collected to the National Archives, where they were to be sealed until the year 2029. But the idea of unsealing the files has gained momentum with the recent endorsement of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts. Mr. Stokes said recently that he was leaning in favor of releasing the committee's files, although he added that he believed they would add nothing important to public knowledge of the case.

But today he said documents assembled by the Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation should be released, too. These documents are not part of Mr. Stokes's committee's files, although the panel saw some of them in its inquiry.

These files include transcripts of conversations among prominent members of organized crime that were secretly, and in some cases illegally, taped by law enforcement authorities in the six months before the assassination, said G. Robert Blakey, a University of Notre Dame law professor who served as counsel to the House assassinations committee.

"In the interests of everything being disclosed," Mr. Stokes said in an interview, "let's get everything out that is sealed anywhere."

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/22/us/a-move-to-unseal-the-kennedy-files.html

That's only 15 years from now!

[blm]

139. He's not lying - If you need to claim Kerry's lying to make your case then

you need to try a different tact.

Kerry is only slowing down the release of the report to protect the coalition of Muslim nations he spent a long time carefully forming to confront ISIL and other extremists INCLUDING Iran. This is what many of us progressives claimed to have wanted so it would no longer be OUR forces leading the confrontations - so ARAB NATIONS could deal with their extremists without American leaders like Bush/Cheney using them as an excuse. Apparently you never wanted that and are trying to smear Kerry's accomplishments along with the rest of the anarchistunderground supporting AynRandPaul2016.


The liars are those claiming Kerry is blocking the release - he isn't.
The liars are those claiming Kerry is protecting Bush and Cheney - he isn't.

The liars are those who refuse to reference or acknowledge the fragile coalition of Muslim nations Kerry brought together to confront ISIL extremists.

Yes, the hostages are far more than media will say publicly, but, they are not the smokescreen being claimed here by the AynRandPaul2016 strategists. Those paying attention to what has been going on with US and Iran are not surprised or feigning outrage on DU over a delay asked for in order to not blow up the coalition of Muslim nations CURRENTLY confronting ISIL and the longterm, peace seeking agreements with Iran CURRENTLY being sought.

The only 'progressives' who want to undermine that goal would be either faux progressives, posers, or, very shortsighted.

[TheKentuckian]

143. I don't give a damn about "confronting ISIL", the players in the region have the wherewithal to do

so if they choose and if they do not then it is they who will suffer for it or not. I want us out of it yesterday regardless and need no new fangled coalition of the willing to do so.

I care not a single bit about your stupid insults, shit accusations, and BushCo wiping and dangling to prop up their nasty works and infestation of our clandestine and security apparatuses while you spin endlessly to continue a years long cover up to apparently continue BushCo's /PNAC's agenda by finding yet another in an ongoing series of boogiemen on the other side of the world to waste precious resources on for the benefit of big oil, military contractors, the surveillance state, shitty complicit politicians, and the interventionist agenda.

[mylye2222]

146. Your statement is really insulting.

blm spent years and years denouncing BushInc and their cronies here at DU and in other places.

She is more qualified for speaking out against their manoeuvers!!

[mylye2222]

147. Oh and if Kerry was that liar and cover up guy

You like to describe, he would have ended up President in 2004 .And he would have the DLCers support for a challenge of results too.

[TheKentuckian]

149. Then release the report, no more stalling. No more "looking forward". No more finger wagging about

being "sanctimonious". No more "standing" with the likes of Clapper. No more taking accountability and truth "off the table". No more going after whistle blowers while giving a pass to some of the worst criminals in history.

How many years of games with this is acceptable? At this stage, I can only believe that similar practices continue and wish to be maintained in perpetuity.

Are we supposed to forget the opposition to releasing anything and that the pot only boiled over when it came to light the CIA was spying on Congress (another grave crime that no one will be accountable for)?

Are you seriously trying to act like this whole thing has not been covered up, stonewalled, lied abou5, downplayed, excused, rationalized, and slow walked to death for years?

Don't make me the bad guy I didn't torture, authorize torture, make a single excuse for torture, rationalize for a moment torture, cover up torture, bury fact finding on torture, block, refuse, or evade prosecution for torture, I didn't write a single memo, I didn't hide a fact, nor did I look the other way a solitary time. If you want to complain about any difficulties that are the fruit of such actions then you'd best focus on the folks who participated rather than finding some new path to keeping it up supposedly for just a while longer.

I don't give a damn how much you out lecture and appeal to fear and emotions, I won't be playing along for not a second no matter what spin for doing so comes out of the machine. The report is already a far less than minimal response, you can cast me as Darth Vader for having no more tolerance on the subject you want but it will be you joining the dark side to do it.

Cut the bullshit, release the report because it is already less than the least that should be done.

[blm]

156. Demanding for someone who wouldn't lift a finger himself to ease tensions with Iran

and other Muslim nations facing this turning point.

Deskchair warrior with ALL the answers, but, NONE of the current information.

[TheKentuckian]

161. Desk chair warriors? It is you who is maintaining the cover up needs to be kept up for some

indeterminate time to advance a war effort you seem to champion that I have no interest in.

You want the war, it is you who is exactly what you accuse, an armchair warrior on a virtual campaign against the latest in a series of middle eastern boogiemen, the pursuit of which led us to this pass in the first place on ill conceived resource war wars masquerading as fool's errand of revenge against at best a tangential enemy.

[blm]

175. LOL - You don't know the first thing about HOW to make

it happen. You don't have the wisdom, the knowledge of the historic record and the cultures involved, or the COURAGE of character to make what YOU want happen. So you attack the one guy who IS trying to get us out of the regional arena by using his wisdom, his knowledge of the historic record and the cultures involved, and HIS courage of character to achieve the same goal you claim to have.

Pretty easy for you just taking potshots at one of the best leaders this nation has had over the last half-century.

[Marrah_G]

164. I am left shaking my head at your post

[mylye2222]

76. blm is right.

Thzy cannot now increase tention.
That doesnt mean in any way the report wouldnt be released. btw unlike HRC Kerry did admit publicly US was involved in tortire during Bush era.

[840high]

203. Torture was not just

in Bush era.

[AnalystInParadise]

91. I retired from the Army

in 2013, I was in military intelligence, if you think these practices ended in 2009 when BO was elected President, I believe you are gullible and are wrong. These practices continue to this day, we just call it different things now.

[blm]

104. I expect the CIA institutionalized much of it, and, I have long expressed

my view that no president has had control of every aspect of the CIA since Bush1 took it over in the 70s. Not even Reagan.

I believe anyone who thinks they have are gullible and wrong and don't understand BushInc.

[2banon]

120. On it's inception blm, even before Poppy Bush.

It's been argued and I believe clearly revealed over the years that the OSS/CIA (indeed the entire "intelligence" community ONI etc etc ) has always conducted actions according to it's own agenda(s). Self knighting themselves as the gate keepers of this nations security. Poppy had his day to be sure. All accountable to no one. But your point still stands..

[blm]

124. Yep - Before Poppy it was his old man, Prescott and his cronies -

thanks for standing with the historic record. Context is EVERYTHING.

[mylye2222]

125. Yes. And among those cronies were Nazis .

[2banon]

145. +++++++++!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

177. If they're killed, it will be because of the torture.

You can pretend it's reporting on war crimes that's the 'problem', but the reality is that the blood is on the original hands that committed acts of torture.

[blm]

197. Yes, that is where it belongs, but, the reality at this moment is Kerry in Iran

negotiating his ass off for the last 2 years on so many levels and bringing them to the point of cooperating with us and other Muslim countries in confronting ISIL.

You all are acting like he is NOT trying to preserve those advancements by asking merely for a DELAY, but, here he has become a brother-in-arms with Bush and Cheney and working hard only to protect them.

Sorry, but, do you know how utterly ignorant many of these Kerry=Bush rants sound to someone who views the last 40 years through the documentation and reports of government corruption and is fully cognizant of Kerry's unmatched role in investigating and exposing more government corruption than any other lawmaker in modern history?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

198. We're at the use it or lose it moment.

Any delay will allow Republicans time to take control of the committee and simply bury the report, so that it won't be seen again for half a century, if ever. So yes, any desire to 'delay' at this point does put him arm in arm with Cheney, et al.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

5. So by inference Kerry confirms the report is not good. Fuck protecting shrub's administration any

longer, President Obama and Secretary Kerry! Release the report and let the cards fall where they may instead of protecting people you are currently aiding and abetting!

[blm]

18. The people they are currently protecting are hostages and future hostages.

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Everyone in this country already knows that Bush-Cheney allowed torture.

For the long run they are protecting the very fragile coalition of Muslim nations Kerry brought together to confront ISIL extremists. It's been kept a very low-key operation because of extremists in our country and theirs who would do anything to incite chaos and undermine the hard fought successes.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/05/iran-conducts-air-strikes-against-isis-exremists-iraq

[reddread]

20. if only the elite turned up hostages someday

[reddread]

22. because Democracy flourishes in the dark

[blm]

74. Apparently you know of another lawmaker in DC who has

effected this nation's HISTORIC RECORD, especially in regard to transparency, more positively over the last 4 decades than Kerry. Please name that person.

[mylye2222]

77. Difficuly to name one lol!!!!

[Marr]

101. No, they're protecting *THEMSELVES*.

As usual.

When our government uses secrecy, it's usually to protect well-placed people and interests from embarrassment or bad press. Our political establishment, Kerry included, is complicit in these torture programs, so naturally they do not want more info released.

[blm]

107. Yeah - because we all know Kerry hasn't lifted a finger on Iran

and fostering cooperation in that region to confront their extremists themselves so US could begin to back away as the lead force.

Gee - one would think that was what progressives wanted - a longer range plan that replaces US presence in the region.

Shortsightedness is stupid and boring - we get enough of that from the GOP and corporate media.

[mylye2222]

109. Kerry was rhe first of 2004 candidates to condem

Abu Grahib torture and abuses abd xalling BOTH for Rumsfeld step down and a commission on abuses. Dean and other primary candidates folowed later.
Kerry denoinced war crimes sonce long ago. Stating that he might be approving it or being involved with is nonsense.

[sabrina 1]

117. Really? Other countries have been able to get their hostages out. How come we are so

hated? Maybe if the DID hold torturers accountable we would be LESS hated and there would be FEWER hostages to protect.

We run around the world talking about how 'superior' we are to all those lesser people in the ME and Africa, our FP are so racist and so ignorant it is EMBARRASSING. And then we do things that no civilized nation would do and people outside this insulated bubble we live in, are not blind.

We've killed over one million human beings. Do you think they don't know that? And we've tortured and maimed until numbers of innocent people. Do you think THEY don't know that?

And our excuse beginning with the war criminal Bush gang for not holding War Criminals accountable has ALWAYS BEEN 'National Security'..

I remember how we attacked the Bush gang and mocked them for the use of National Security as their excuse for everything.

Justice needs to be done and we keep finding excuses for not doing it. There is never going to be a good time to punish these war criminals. But as of now it is already LATE as they have been protected for so long.

Taking responsibility, admitting the crimes, would go a long to changing the perception in other countries that the US is heartless, cruel and doesn't hole their own war criminals accountable. While we preach to the rest of the world.

If you think that anything in that report isn't well known to the people who were the victims of it, you are just plain wrong. The world knows the crimes committed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, Libya and everywhere else we attacking countries that we have no business attacking.

[lumpy]

84. Bullpucky !

[lumpy]

87. So Kerry and Obama are aiding and abetting criminal actions ?

In your mind perhaps?

[wildbilln864]

181. they absolutely are!

unless of course you believe Bush/Cheney & co. are innocent.

[blm]

187. No - they are NOT. Seeking a delay to prepare for backlash

and preserve advancements being made with Iran is not the same as committing the crimes and blocking the release of the report.

Gee - we all knew how the anti-Muslim video had a role in Benghazi and in violent, deadly protests around the world, but, now, all of a sudden, there should be no concern and no preparation for the release of THIS report on Bush's torture of Muslims, some of them innocent and others who went on to form ISIL?

Yep - Kerry seeking delay is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than Bush wanting the report blocked completely. AynRandPaul2016 even sez so.

[wildbilln864]

190. yes they are!

& why do you admire sdqAynRandPaul2016 so much?

[blm]

191. LOL - It's the RandPaul2016 strategists pushing the 'no difference' ploy

here for the last few years.

I point out posts where their efforts to push that lie are aided and abetted.

Funny, why do YOU admire Bush so much that you would equate him with Kerry, who has effected this nation's historic record more positively over the last 40 years than ANY OTHER LAWMAKER?

[wildbilln864]

192. i despise the shrub and...

any lackey that aids and abets his criminality!

[blm]

193. If you hate criminality and corruption of Bush, then why pretend he's

just like Kerry?

I await your naming even one lawmaker of the last 40 years who even comes close to matching Kerry's record of investigating and exposing government corruption.

nodifference, allthesame, horsesh!t.

[wildbilln864]

195. never said that! don't try to put words in my posts that aren't there!

n/t

[blm]

200. Any mirrors at your house? Reread our exchange.

You said Kerry is 'absolutely' aiding and abetting Bush and Cheney's criminality.

Anyone who knows the mountain of work Kerry has been doing with Iran knows that his priority in asking for the delay (not a block, but a delay) is to preserve the advancements made together with Iran including against ISIL, and NOT to protect Bush-Cheney.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-airstrikes-hit-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?_r=0

[wildbilln864]

202. delay til when?

few months?
a year?
ten?
50?
when is the right time if not now?

[blm]

204. Why weren't you on DU demanding it every day for the 3years?

Time isn't REALLY the issue with you, is it?

Apparently you were unable to get through the article on Iran-US-ISIL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-airstrikes-hit-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?_r=0

[postulater]

6. Sunshine please.

[LondonReign2]

7. Most transparent administration ever!

[bullwinkle428]

8. "Mark Udall Promises America Will "Be Disgusted" at CIA Torture Report"

"The Senate Intelligence Committee, led by Dianne Feinstein of California, is soon expected to release its summary of the so-called CIA Torture Report, the committee’s four-year-long investigation into the CIA’s Bush-era torture practices. Release of the summary is the result of months of wrangling and negotiating with the White House on what would be released to the public and when—and it will likely be heavily redacted. During an interview conducted on Friday, November 21, by Esquire writer at large Scott Raab, outgoing senator Mark Udall of Colorado, who lost his reelection race on November 4, once again said that if the report is not released in a way he deems transparent, he would consider all options to make it public. In this excerpt from the interview, Raab asks Udall if he will read the document into the record on the floor of the Senate before he leaves in January, an act for which he cannot be prosecuted."

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/mark-udall-0115

[CJCRANE]

9. Whether by accident or design...

these inactions have allowed the neocons to rehabilitate themsevles back to full strength, and the world is much the worse for that.

[FiveGoodMen]

26. I'm pretty sure it's design

[frylock]

30. yep. say hello to president jeb fucking bush.

[nashville_brook]

71. and that's the real politik here -- to the max.

[kentuck]

10. I wonder what that's all about??

Before the election would have been an ideal time to release it, not now. Republicans take over in one week? They won't release it.

[liberal_at_heart]

12. Foreign policy is all a chess game to the politicians. Truth is not as important as how

that truth will affect the next move in the game.

[sabrina 1]

13. There are no words to express the disgust at the very people we elected to EXPOSE

that corrupt Cheney/Bush administration.

Protecting torturers with the same old excuse we GOT from the torturers themselves whenever there were attempts to hold them accountable 'NATIONAL SECURITY'.

I have news for Kerry and all the others who have been protecting War Criminals for years now. There would be a 'lot less going on in the world' threatening our security IF we would take care of the criminals who started it all.

But then, that is probably not the goal. More War, that appears to be the goal.

[summerschild]

14. Horse feathers.

There's ALWAYS going to be a lot going on in the world.

[kentuck]

15. I say...

Make a copy.

And if the Republicans keep up their bullshit games about impeachment and shutting down the government and all the other truckload of shit they are talking about...


Release them.

[TheKentuckian]

136. Fuck games and threats. Release it now or be considered complicit to the point of partnership.

They have dragged, delayed, covered, and obfuscated for years now. The cover up was in full swing before anyone had heard of the latest incarnation or the middle east boogie man.

This is why "impeachment is off the table" and "we must look forward instead of backwards" because we are all torture monkeys and their willingly blind supporters not just the TeaPubliKlans.

That is why our President called tortures "patriots" when they can be nothing of the sort because all the talk before the election and even that executive order was just some weak ass marketing.

[global1]

16. Can Feinstein Not Listen To Kerry And Still Release The Report?

If so - then we should put pressure on Feinstein to release this report before the Repubs take control. I agree with other posters here - if we wait - when the Repubs take control of the Senate - this report will be buried.

One other thought - could this report be being used as a bargaining chip with the Repubs? If we (Dems) don't release the report - you (Repubs) will pass some important legislation - type of deal? Like I said - just a thought.

[karynnj]

81. Of course, which is why the title of the article is overblown

Kerry, as head of the state department, has stated his concerns that there could be blow back -- and they are trying to protect embassies in danger -- if the report is released. Kerry's judgment is that this could lead to problems.

Imagine if Kerry was silent, the report was released, and an embassy somewhere was attacked and people died. Think of Benghazi - who was blamed?

Feinstein has the right to ignore his request. Obama, Kerry etc will then be the ones who have to deal with any repercussions.

[rusty fender]

153. If the Embassies are in danger

perhaps they should be evacuated now, because Benghazi.

Why are some Dems so afraid of what the Repukes and the MSM will say about the Admin? For Pete's sake, the Admin lost everything in the last election. It's Over--let the chips fall where they may...and let us stop protecting the evildoers.

[karynnj]

154. Where do you get fear of what Republicans or the MSM will say from -- the events happened under Bush

If the concern is the Iraqi embassy or the Afghanistan one, it may be that they are too important for the US to evacuate them and leave.

The fact is this is Feinstein's decision. She can still release the report. If the administration has concerns, they have every right to raise them.

[2banon]

122. I never believed Feinstein would EVER release anything of any significance

I expect she'll get to use Kerry's request as cover which was probably also by design.

[sadoldgirl]

21. To rephrase the late Senator Byrd's words:

When will we know that we have killed the last terrorist?

Of course, they should release the report now, but knowing

Feinstein as a hawk, I doubt it.

[reddread]

24. I prefer a bosomy telenovela to deadpan kabuki

[madokie]

25. I trust John Kerry

I trust my President too, just so's you know

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. I trust Mr. Clean to do my floors.

[Autumn]

43. I trust Lysol.

And I trust Lemon Pledge, just so's you know

[Spitfire of ATJ]

45. I don't believe in taking the pledge.

[Autumn]

49. Then you may just not be a Democrat. All the good ones take a Pledge,

it's the latest thing.

[lumpy]

88. I am compelled to trust Obama and Kerry and leave suspicious minglessness

to people who blow in the wind.

[Volaris]

134. If it matters, I have a tendency to trust the politicians I voted for,

LESS than the ones who won without my support. My support of a candidate that goes on to win, does not constitute a moral bank check to do whatever the hell they want, even IF that's the result POLITICALLY for 2, 4, 6 years.
I support President Obama and Sec.State Kerry.
I also support them taking the correct MORAL action.
I want that report made Public.

[Marr]

100. Must be nice not having to think about things. /nt

[lumpy]

103. Nasty slam Marr.

[Marr]

105. What? It's true. If your response to a story like this,

'I trust him', then you aren't thinking-- you're just deferring to another person's opinion without question.

[lumpy]

114. So I am to believe you that you know who is thinking or not?

So some of us trust our leadership. I guess you think all of us are not thinking? OK mystical wise one.

[blm]

118. Or adding the context of the historic record (especially Kerry's role).

Funny how none of you want to engage your thoughts to include a fuller picture.

[TheKentuckian]

157. The historical context is that crimes against humanity have been perpetrated by and for

the highest levels of government during the previous administration.


They have been rationalized, given a pass, and even heralded as the actions of patriots by the current one.

There has been no accountability, there have been constant and ongoing cover ups, many of the masterminds retained while going after any who would tell the truth with hammer and tongs.

I neither care nor buy any of the ISIL/ISIS bulls hit at all much less as yet another reason to play four corners on a censored and heavily redacted report that is it's self an insult to the concept of justice and the spirit of our most essential law as a less than minimal effort toward justice and truth.

The context is more than a decade of treachery, coverups, and lies with a persistent disdain accountability, justice, and our espoused values apparently to obfuscate supposedly a little longer for a war effort that we supposedly ended but plan to continue for some years.


The only people who would go to such lengths over years now to hide, minimize, rationalize, deny and even admonish any call for justice, retain principal actors, spy on Congress, offer resistance at every step including in court, and continue to find excuses to cover up while consistently going after whistle blowers are those who are either up to the same or worse or want that out in case they do in the future.

This why we "mustn't be sanctimonious", "must look forward", and cannot consider impeachment for one of the highest crimes imaginable because we "patriots" that torture, lie, and cover up too.

I'm not seeing the behavior of the good, just, and decent here just the same old Bushshit.

[blm]

172. No one is giving it a pass -a delay is not a pass.

Your hysteria is not warranted. If you actually knew more than the silliness you've been fed reKerry and his motives and his tacts, you wouldn't be posting with such venom.

[woo me with science]

28. We are ruled by criminals.

We are living to witness the deliberate dismantling of democracy and constitutional government in the United States of America.

[lumpy]

89. So the evil present government is to be replaced by what?

Sounds like paranoia has set in.

[woo me with science]

90. Nah, you're right.

Torturers are patriots.




http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5915944



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160

[lumpy]

93. You have said that our government is going to be dismantled . Can you give an

answer to this question? " By whom and what is it going to be replaced by"? Am I to conclude that you are a paranoid wacko?

[wildbilln864]

183. psychopathic criminals! n/t

[99th_Monkey]

31. It's been awhile since Kerry threw his medals over the White House fence

Now he's become a tool of the tool in the WH. Sad dat.

[lumpy]

95. Are you a tool of the GOP? Sounds like.

[99th_Monkey]

97. Who needs the GOP?

When Wall St. and the Koch Bros can get what they want with Obama in WH.

Life long Dem here, except for going independent for a few years.
Pretty much vote straight ticket "D"

In other words, I belong to the Democratic wing of the Democratic party, and
detest what Third Way turncoats have done to the party of FDR & John Kennedy.

[lumpy]

102. Obama is a Democrat in belief and action. You try to blacken the name of Obama

and our present Democratic leadership through demeaning slurs without proof of anthing. So I question your loyalty.

[99th_Monkey]

110. Question away

I don't need your approval. I know my own truth.

[n2doc]

32. JEB Thanks Sen. Kerry

After all, anything that keeps his brother from looking worse is a good thing for him.

[swilton]

50. Which is the greater crime

The active torture or the cover up and by implication allowing the torture to continue.

Both presidents/both parties are equally guilty.

[wildbilln864]

184. precisely! n/t

[zeemike]

34. Bonesmen protect Bonesmen.

And John and George are bonesmen.

[Jesus Malverde]

62. ^^^^^^The only relevant comment^^^^^^^^

In the 2004 U.S. Presidential election, both the Democratic and Republican nominees were alumni. George W. Bush wrote in his autobiography, "[In my] senior year I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society; so secret, I can't say anything more."[25] When asked what it meant that he and Bush were both Bonesmen, former Presidential candidate John Kerry said, "Not much, because it's a secret."

For giggles - The classic case of a student who gets electroshock therapy for asking the question.

Dont taze me bro

[MisterP]

35. "can't be, he's a Democrat"

and just think--Feinstein's the Senate's Jane Harman and for all the nauseating stuff that'll be in it, her report will ultimately be carefully trimmed to ensure there's no real change or end to impunity

and that report is too much for WH/DoS

"real patriots"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. In a related story: Dick Cheney asks Diane Feinstein to go hunting with him.

[lumpy]

94. Only if he wants to take a shot across her bow.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

129. Actually, I picture Cheney dressed in S&M leather waiting for the video.

[obxhead]

38. I fully support this action.

He has a D next to his name. He's my hero, right or wrong.

[blackspade]

39. What a crock of shit.

Cynical politics at its worst.

Kerry has totally sold out.

[jalan48]

40. Who's Really in Charge

At least we know who's really running the country. It doesn't matter who we vote for, the military/surveillance powers behind the scene are calling the shots.

[librechik]

42. Of course he did. This is who we are

We need to solve the problem we actually have, not try to return to some imagined normal.

[99Forever]

44. Tell me again about how much better Democrats are than Republicans...

... and why I should believe it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. Because when Rebublicans slam you into the ground they do that maniacal laugh,...

....while Dems feel real bad about it.

[blm]

48. Are YOU the one negotiating with Iran to cooperate jointly against ISIL?

Gee….ya think Kerry might be more sensitive and more alert to the sensitive nature of the diplomacy needed to pull all of this off than you?

[99Forever]

53. Ahhh yes...

.... the old "they "know" so much more than you stupid peons" chestnut.

Seems I've heard that somewhere before...

... early in this century...

... and back in the sixties...

hmmmmm.

[blm]

57. Try it in CONTEXT now … but…. you won't

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/05/iran-conducts-air-strikes-against-isis-exremists-iraq

You want to complain on the internet while someone else finally breaks down the barriers with Iran so Muslim nations can deal with their OWN extremists in the long run. Take your potshots - it's probably important to the self-glorification process.

[99Forever]

69. Thanks for the bullshit lesson.

Too bad you didn't come close to answering the questions I asked.

The more I hear from today's "Democrats," the more it sounds like Republicans spinning.

[blm]

73. In other words, you have your mind closed because you WANT to have your

mind closed.

Anyone who claims there is no difference is the one pushing bullshit lessons.

[99Forever]

79. I didn't make ANY claims.

I asked two straight forward questions. Both of which you failed to answer. Completely. Run your horseshit by someone else, I ain't buying.

[blm]

82. Your questions weren't based in REALITY.

They completely omit context and the historic RECORD - especially Kerry's record.

Tell us why anyone would take YOUR view over Kerry's when he does far more to positively preserve and effect the historic record than you or any lawmaker over the last 4 decades.

You won't answer reality based positions because you CAN'T.

Run your AynRandPaul2016 (nodifferencebetweenDemsandReps)horsesh!t by someone else, I ain't buying.

[99Forever]

85. Still got nothin.

Lame.

[blm]

112. I didn't expect an honest reply from you.

AynRandPaul2016 can GFT.

Gently, of course….with a chainsaw.

[mylye2222]

113. Lol..

[lumpy]

99. Disheartening that so many on DU are exhibiting their ignorance, paranoia, or

their true party affiliations.

[Marr]

106. Nasty slam, lumpy. /nt

[lumpy]

116. The truth hurts ?

[wildbilln864]

185. you wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the ass! n/t

[lumpy]

108. I believe the Democrat leadership who are actually doing their jobs, not some

disenchanted citizen who expects what they alone desire.

[99Forever]

111. Another one dances around the questions asked.

If you won't address what was asked, quite frankly whatever else you say is irrelevant.

[blm]

115. Because YOUR questions are more important than any questions posed to you?

You want YOUR BS that there is no difference between GOP and Dems on this matter to be the premise everyone starts at when most of us think that premise is pure, unadulterated horsesh!t.

You have NEVER used context or the historic record to back up your whines against Kerry and Obama. You don't even KNOW why the citizenry were even allowed to know about the August6,2001 CIA memo. According to YOUR whines, Kerry is protecting Bush here because it couldn't be possible that Kerry is protecting his last 2 years of negotiating with Muslim countries like Iran.

Reality hurts your cause here. AynRandPaul2016 can GFT.

[99Forever]

123. Yes they are.

And you've proved can't answer them.

[blm]

126. I did. You don't like the answer you get every time you posit your load of BS.

Context that includes the reality of the HISTORIC RECORD is EVERYTHING, and that is something you refuse to acknowledge.

Lazyminded accusations are worthless. Past time you wake up to that reality.

[99Forever]

128. No you answered nothing.

Because you have nothing but spin. Fail.

[blm]

141. LOL - Expected dodge from AynRandPaul2016.

.

[99Forever]

142. Fuck AynRandPaul2016 and...

... and anyone who uses that insult.

[lumpy]

119. Must have missed any questions you might have asked me. Carry on.

Ignorance is not irrelevant to me.

[CJCRANE]

68. Go over to the Press TV website to see what the Iranians think.

Withholding this report will just confirm their worst suspicions.

Now is the time for us to be honest about what we've done and make a fresh start.

[lumpy]

92. Indeed. Some people believe they have a direct line to the truth. God awfull !

People come to conclusions without knowing what the hell is going on.

[leftymon]

51. More of the same!

Torture must end. The black sites must end.

[IADEMO2004]

54. This is Chernobyl. Something that should have never existed does exist.

Everyone knows it is bad but not exactly how bad. Releasing the report is pulling the control rods out of the reactor so we can all see how bad. How did that go last time in Chernobyl. Can we stop torture without pulling the control rods out? I would hope we could. I think releasing the report will create more smoke and poison than fresh air and sunshine.

[FiveGoodMen]

61. Whereas, burying the truth will help?

[IADEMO2004]

64. The truth is known we are just trying to weaponize it now.

and again I say we shouldn't release the report because we can't control the reaction.

[FiveGoodMen]

65. The truth is not known, or there wouldn't be any point in trying to cover it up

[TheKentuckian]

132. Weaponized truth? What kind of lame brained Republican doublespeak is that?

You folks and the politicians you support are as dangerous to broad prosperity and peace and now proving as dangerous to justice and self determination as the TeaPubliKlans.

The cover up is growing to the level of the crime and makes me believe the crimes themselves continue.

[IADEMO2004]

150. lame brained Republican doublespeak. My turn to the dark side is complete.

[TheKentuckian]

159. Apparently. You have concocted a worldview that sees lies, obstruction of justice, and perpetual

cover ups as control rods where truth is more toxic than crimes against humanity with some delusion that the way to stop torture is to cover it up and protect the perpetrators from an honest accounting much less accountability.

This doesn't seem the pattern of the just, the honest, or what is good but rather the machinations and rationalizations of the wicked.

Evil is generally deluded that it is doing what is right and good. Consider who and what you protect and defend and realize something has become twisted along the way, what other evils will be condoned and willfully hidden in the name of this strange brand of good?

[truebrit71]

56. Yay transparency!

[johnnyreb]

59. Torture is absolutely good at getting *bad* info.

Could have been a very useful tool to get the terrists to take the heat off of the actual paymasters of 9/11 apparently named in the still-Classified 28 pages of the 9/11 Joint Inquiry.

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA), at youtube 35:30 of the September 9 2014 "28 Pages Press Conference on Capitol Hill":

&quot The 28 pages) would definitely be instructive going forward, uh, for us to see the complicity, uh, behind the long-term planning, and uh, very deliberate steps taken to reach that day of 9/11. There was a great deal of planning beforehand, uh there were individuals that uh, I think, I think the 28 pages I have said are _stunning_ in their clarity, in terms of how demonstrative they are in showing the planning beforehand, the financing, and the eventual attacks on that day. So I think it would uh, it would be instructive to members of congress to understand uh, the SCOPE of this, the involvement of individuals, whether or not they were working in league with uh, with governments or not."

So which secret report is not like the other?

“There’s always a lot going on in the world and the timing of the release of a report like this never convenient,” one senior GOP senate staffer said.

[wildbilln864]

186. plus 1! n/t

[WillyT]

60. K & R !!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. “And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots.” Obama

Kerry is just following company policy.

[Jesus Malverde]

66. We've seen more justice in south america the land of so called banana republics

than we have in Washington.

Peru, Chile, Brazil they've all convicted the government criminals who ran amok.

Here we look forward.

[nilesobek]

67. And there you have it.

Cowardly illustrated in Kerry's language. They want to keep torture. There is no proof they ever stopped torturing. There will never be a "good time," to release the torture report.

Prominent Democrats signed off on the torture. Uncover the dirt Kerry!

[TwilightGardener]

75. Maybe Mark Udall should just go ahead and put it out there on his way out the door.

Anyhoo, I'm going to miss Udall, I liked him--he was a good Senator.

[mylye2222]

78. Always revealing to see how much people

here are so in a hurry to go after Kerry in order to make Hillary look good.

Kerry never defined his career within his student years in S&B . Never.

[Lint Head]

80. If Bush and Cheney were in prison there would be respect

even from our enemies.

[AngryAmish]

96. was he wrong then or is he wrong now?

[DeSwiss]

121. The Brick Wall

- K&R

[woo me with science]

127. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Rex]

151. How funny, they are already trying to rewrite history. Pathetic.

"...now serves as the Director of the National Security Program at Third Way, a center-left think tank..."

I love how they try and rewrite history, maybe some dumbass will believe it and not do some background research. Third Way is of course a group of libertarian investment bankers that wants to get rid of pesky little programs like social security.

They believe in free trade and hate fair trade.

And look! One of their head drones is bashing the WH! Quick swarm get in here and defend the POTUS...oh wait it's the Third Way saying it...nevermind. That won't happen now.

[JCMach1]

158. Just take it to a GRAND JURY

[Bortman33]

165. "Third Way, a center-left think tank" is a total crock

of steaming horse shit! They're nothing more then cWHOREpoRAT rethuligliCONs in sheep's clothing.

[woo me with science]

173. Kick

[CBGLuthier]

176. Tossing his legacy away just like he did those medals years ago.

Why do they all always turn out to be the same. Politicians. Who fucking needs them?

[blm]

188. For asking for a delay to prepare for the worst backlash to Bush's torture?

That's the same to you? Pretty obtuse remark, imo.

You are welcome to name even ONE lawmaker of the last 40 years who has effected the historic record more positively, especially in exposing government corruption and wrongdoing, than John Kerry has.

You want to act like you KNOW John Kerry with your obtuse observation parroting RW radio morons - You don't.

[WinkyDink]

180. Bonesman is as Bonesman does. ;-)

Kerry and Dubya:

[mylye2222]

182. Nonsense.Kerry never used his S&B connection for his career

Otherwise he would have ended up President.
Otherwise he would not be regulary targeted by corpmedia.

[WinkyDink]

205. Okay. I'm sure you'd be privy to it all.

[blm]

189. Because asking for a delay in the report's release to prepare

for the widespread, CERTAIN backlash that will uproot all the diplomatic advancements Kerry has been making with Muslim nations including Iran, is EXACTLY like Bush's torture, to WinkyDink, eh?

[WinkyDink]

206. Delay is diplomacy, you assert? Re-read the final OP paragraph. Justice delayed.........

"Second, if the release is pushed off past next week, Feinstein will no longer head the committee, and the incoming chairman, Republican Richard Burr, could very well prevent the report from being released at all. That could negate years of work by Feinstein’s investigators and prevent the report’s conclusions, many of which will be disputed vigorously by the CIA, from ever coming to light."

[mylye2222]

207. Nevermikd now since the report will be released.

Tjat shows Kerry only ADVISED and never tried to block rhe release.

[blm]

208. Horsepoo - A delay was only for preparation.

And State Dept and DoD rushed preps, even though a bit more time would have been been a benefit to them. The hysteria about the report being completely blocked was always just that….hysteria. And another excuse for some to dump on Kerry and Obama.

[tavernier]

201. So what's the bottom line?

Forgive and forget and decades later George will have a coin minted in his honor? Rewrite history and put the sociopath on a pedestal instead of in chains for the death and destruction he and his henchmen caused??