Any site that allows the word "cracker"

[Le Taz Hot]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by SYFROYH (a host of the General Discussion forum).

doesn't need me. Good luck to all.

LTH

[HappyMe]

1. Okay.

[NYC_SKP]

2. The new DU is broken, administrators please look at the truth about it. Juries suck.

Skinner, you've said over and over, "just civil and you won't get a reply hidden".

Well that's just fucking dandy.

What about all the shit bigoted replies that DON'T get removed.

You're allowing little gangs of anonymous jurors to intimidate other members on the one hand, and leave horrible comments visible on the other.

Please fix DU, it's broke.

[yellowcanine]

46. "allowing little gangs of anonymous jurors to intimidate other members"

Do what is your alternative system of monitoring what gets posted? Just because you disagree with the results doesn't equals "broken."

[L0oniX]

60. As long as there is good Ad revenue it will stay the same.

As you know this is a money making site just like they hope DI will be. I guess I can't blame them for spending their time on their personal lives instead of their privately owned political jabber sites. Mean while good members get run off or hidden into oblivion. If they really cared about the members they'd make sure good contributing members stay here because those members are what makes DU worth coming to.

[hlthe2b]

3. Juries are inconsistent, but I don't think use of that word is representative of DU

Your leaving seems to suggest a very broad brush stroke of indictment against all DUers...

[NYC_SKP]

9. Rotten apple or weakest link analogy: We're as good as the worst among us.

The OP that uses the racist term "cracker" remains unlocked, it uses the term "liberally", as if to bait DUers, and it would have been locked in a heartbeat on DU2.

It's fucked up, hlthe2b.

Old DU2, locked:

Moderator
98. Locking

DU is a board for progressives, and we do not condone the use of any slurs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1931664#1934630

New DU:

Nothing Will Change Despite Demonstrations. Police Too Infiltrated By Crackers. Leadership Is Worst

Do not feel anything will change. Too many crackers in our society who are indifferent. And the GOP fostered racism which is totally out in the open now works. The GOP and conservatives won election based on meme that government protects minorities at the expense of crackers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025932095

[hlthe2b]

13. Perhaps, but knowing MIRT has spent the entire morning dealing with

the "N" word- using racist troll that this post has attracted (he's been here and nuked more than a dozen times this morning alone), to suggest DU condones such is simply not true.

Alert to admins on those jury results that are similarly questionable. Don't denigrate the entire website and its members.

[BlueStreak]

35. "Cracker" isn't a racial slur. It is an historical charactization, now a metaphor.

Do you even know the origin of the term?

It is how slaves referred to some of the "masters". It referrs to the literal cracking of the whip as the slaves were beaten.

In the context of that post in question, it is metaphorical as the "crack" is from the service revolvers, not from whips. But the cops doing that are still crackers nonetheless.

Ironic that the original crackers valued their slaves enough to not kill them. Today's crackers are worse than the originals. The originals at least had a profit motive for cracking the whip. Today's crackers are just pure evil.

[NYC_SKP]

40. Yes I know the full etymology of the term and I know that Burt Reynolds used it in a movie.

I don't care.

The people who toss around the b word don't know the canine reference and people who toss around the n word don't know it's full history either.

It's used today as bludgeon against a group of people and is thus a broadbrushing and divisive term.

Ask some of the folks who use it regularly if they know about the service revolver angle.

[HappyMe]

52. A bludgeon?

Are you serious? Oh my, us poor, poor white folks! Being bludgeoned by a word, while black people tend to get bludgeoned by choke holds and bullets.

[NYC_SKP]

57. Do you know what you can do with your casual dismissal of abusive language? Do you? Do you know?

No, you don't.

So, I'm going to pray for you that you never ever encounter the violence that others do, others of all races, and which is enabled by words.

And, I'll add to the prayer that your mind and spirit and heart expand to fill the void, the void that, if filled for everyone, would prevent all of the pain and turmoil.

[BlueStreak]

59. Well, what word would you prefer to decribe people who hunt down black people

and kill them in cold blood with impunity because they are operating behind a badge?

[joeglow3]

43. Words evolve all the time

Look at the uproar we have had here with the use of the word tarbaby.

[Dreamer Tatum]

4. DU has an odd relationship with epithets. It took years for 'Uncle Tom'

to finally become more or less outlawed.

And when George Allen used the term 'macaca,' DU erupted in outrage, yet to this
day whenever Allen's name comes up, her's called 'Macaca Man' or something
involving 'macaca.' Now, if that word is so racist and offensive, people wouldn't
so gleefully use it.

[kwassa]

5. Want some cheese with that cracker?

Sorry.

I apologize for that terrible joke.

[randome]

6. I agree the word was stupidly used.

But leaving because of it? Let us know where you find a Utopia free of conflict.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[SidDithers]

7. DU is on auto-pilot...

Absentee landlords are letting the inmates run the asylum, and it ain't working.

Good luck wherever you end up.

Sid

[ChisolmTrailDem]

8. 13 years at DU and OUT! Lost another long-time DUer! This sucks! nt

[NYC_SKP]

11. Right? And heaven forbid you should stand up against bullies. You get your post hidden.

That was so fucked up.

I hope the admins are paying attention.

Fuck.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

34. Yea, we tell rethugs all the time to go fuck themselves and that's a-ok, roger. But call DU bullies

out on their bullying by saying the exact same thing and you're accused of broad-brushing insulting DUers by a bunch of fucking whiners hitting the alert button. Actually, I know EXACTLY who alerted on it and it was one of the bullies.

But, whatever. This site will be dead one day soon. Or, it will become Discussionist. It's already half-way there.

[MineralMan]

10. This thread will be locked, but not before I get this in.

All racial slurs should not appear on DU. All, whether they are obscene or not or mild or not. We should not be applying them to any racial group under any circumstances.

That's my opinion, and it's one I've held as long as I've been on DU. I will vote to hide them every time.

[NYC_SKP]

12. This one will be locked, while this one stays open:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025932095

Unbelievable.

[MineralMan]

15. Yes. I find that annoying, too.

I commented in that thread as well, saying the same thing I said here. I will always vote to hide such threads. I'm not sure that they are within the purview of forum hosts, though. The community should simply say no to such slurs. Every time, and no matter at whom they are aimed.

[Agschmid]

17. Yup.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

18. "Cracker" doesn't offend me in the least. But if it bothers someone else, then it should

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not be allowed to stand, just as other racial epithets are not allowed.

[yeoman6987]

14. I agree with the OP

It should have been hidden for sure. It really ended up discussion the word on that thread instead of the really important message the OP was saying which is there are too many Caucasians on the police force and especially the leadership. And not just Caucasians but the ones that are corrupt. So much for that discussion. It was all about a word that some find unnecessary. MANY other words could have been used and the discussion would have been enlightening and interesting with maybe a solution or two instead the OP was lazy and it is a wasted thread. Lost opportunity.

[NYC_SKP]

20. All they needed to do was to say "white racists", instead they used an unnecessarily divisive term.

I'm just embarrassed that anyone thinks it's OK to use that word or the b or n words in certain circumstances.

It's not OK.

[yeoman6987]

21. I agree with you a million times over!!!!

[NCTraveler]

16. The manner in which the word was used was pretty bad.

I agree on that. It is clear that racist tensions have turned some to hate on a broad spectrum. Talking in absolutes based in ignorance. Don't let that run you out the door. Take time to look at why individuals are becoming that which they hate. While their hate is showing and it is based in ignorance, they have come to that place based on real events. They feel helpless and are lashing out. It really is understandable. People often act reactionary when they feel helpless. It helps them to make it through their day. Be compassionate toward their hate. That hate, while counterproductive and foolish in itself, has developed out of a hate they have witnessed and feel they cannot change.

It has been mentioned that this thread will be locked. I hope not. A real discussion can come out of this.

[KG]

19. as a honkey myself, I don't find 'cracker' a slur.

[yeoman6987]

24. But somebody does and that should matter at

DU.

[LawDeeDah]

55. I agree. If someone called me a 'cracker', meh, phffft.

I don't take it as a slur but as a description of master cracking whip over the slaves and underlings and can be applied to what some of these terrible and racist police are doing.

But a lot of people Do take offense so that for reason it should not be used. It is not up to me to decide whether a word shouldn't be hurtful to others.

[sendero]

22. The vapors..

.... over a word. A hot house flower should just stay in the hot house.

[pintobean]

44. The vapors..

[Capt. Obvious]

47. I thought of this:

[gollygee]

23. There is no comparison between "cracker" and n****

It's embarrassing to see people equate them. There is just no comparison at all. You can choose to be offended by someone using that word, but that word isn't part of a system of oppression that causes death, unemployment, incarceration, and that has a history in kidnapping people, transporting them under inhuman conditions, and then selling them as chattel.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/08/racist-against-white-people/

But, of course, there’s a little thing called context.

There’s that whole 600 year time period where Black people were sold as chattel by Europeans who reinforced their system through violence and repression and who recreated their same systems of domination through Jim Crow and the Prison Industrial Complex when slavery was made illegal.

And there’s that inconvenient fact that the “n-word” was created solely by White people as a pejorative for Black slaves.

And there’s that other inconvenient fact that the word “cracker” literally refers to White power and supremacy in its reference to the overseer who cracked the whip.

[yeoman6987]

25. Nobody is saying they are equal

I think the "N" word is the worst word in the vocabulary. Should that be the only word not used?

[gollygee]

27. Not the only one

But "cracker" is not a part of any sytem of oppression. White people are not oppressed. The outrage seems ridiculous. It feels like white people who are trying to claim victimhood status.

[yeoman6987]

32. It doesn't matter how you or anyone else feels about the word

It only matters to that one person who finds it offensive. I really believe that it should matter to us if one of our own on DU finds it offensive.

[gollygee]

37. One person could find anything offensive

What about it is offensive? What harm does use of that word cause white people?

[joeglow3]

45. Do you support usage of the word tarbaby?

[gollygee]

53. I'd have to hear context

The word could very potentially be used in a racist way. But it's part of a folklore tradition so people who have used it as their folklore might potentially not use it in that way.

[Pacifist Patriot]

58. Well said.

[LeftinOH]

26. "Cracker" does not carry the gravitas of the 'N' word..not by a long shot.

[NYC_SKP]

28. It doesn't matter. It's wrong no matter the severity. And, who is the arbiter of which is worse?

It's all bad.

Shall we create a list of OK bigoted terms, that are OK because they're less severe?

How about these:

"Indian giver"; "Stingy Jew"; "Stupid Pole"; "Poor White Trash"

Not of them are OK, none of them are OK for DU, all of them make DU suck.

[snooper2]

30. I guess that is why everyone isn't typing "Cr*&*&r"

I forgot where this site left off with bitch by the way...we haven't had one of those threads in a while. I usually just use BEEYATCH! anyway LOL

[Dreamer Tatum]

51. OK, new topic. Which cracker do you prefer in 2016?

Sanders, Clinton, or some other cracker?

I saw they're trying to get that cracker-ass Warren to run. I don't know if she will, that cracker.


None of the above is offensive in the slightest. Because white people cannot be oppressed.

[tularetom]

29. Classiest DU exit thread I've ever read

No whining, no apologies, no fake tears, no lengthy diatribe, just a ten word explanation and a four word farewell.

Good luck back atcha.

[LanternWaste]

31. The history of my demographics in this country and its social environment makes any pretense of offe

The history of my demographics in this country and its social environment makes any pretense of offense I choose to take a difficult contortion of ethics. I am neither oppressed by the word, nor does it weaken in any way how my collective demographic is perceived.



As an aside, it's a wonderful trick how we as people can state that insult A is unacceptable because the recipient has no control over that which is being insulted, while yet insult B, placed against our beliefs, our faiths and our customs is rationalized as well-deserved. Indeed, quite the difference lacking any firm distinction.

[HERVEPA]

33. Ciao

[Capt. Obvious]

36. Just saw Titanic. How are you dealing?

I had no idea your people had it so hard.

[dilby]

38. Your people? Nice, keep it classy. n/t

[cwydro]

39. This same site used the word n----- the other day.

I alerted on it, and it was allowed to stand.

And I NEVER alert on threads. I just did not want to see that word on this site.

[joeglow3]

48. I alerted on a disparaging usage of "retard" (ONLY alert in 8 and a half years).

As someone with a family member with Down's, I have seen how that word can devastate some people because of how hurtful it is. Post stood 7-0

[WinkyDink]

41. White racists ARE ignorant crackers. AND NO CRACKERS WERE SLAVES, SO F.T.

#sorrynotsorry

If anyone thinks all insults can be expunged from language, well, they are plain delusional.

[joeglow3]

50. How do we decide which words intended to disparage a whole group of people based on race,

orientation, religion, age, gender, etc. is acceptable?

[nichomachus]

42. Why limit it to racial slurs?

How about banning slurs about gender, sexual orientation, class, economic status, and age?

No one seems to have a problem with attritbuting all sorts of evil to "old, white men," of which I am one. The also feel quite comfortable shitting on "trailer parks," a community where I live. In fact, my "trailer park" has quite a few well-educated liberal people, some of use are actually very nice.

[Trajan]

49. Not a big deal for me ...

The term 'Cracker' carries little weight in our household ...

99.9999% of the time: Cracker means a smallish round or square or rectangular or triangular or any other shape of flat bread-like foodstuff into which persons might top with cheeses, jellies, sauces or what have you ...

Otherwise, the term Cracker means nothing ...

[alcibiades_mystery]

54. Ta-ta

[dilby]

56. Cracker does not bother me, whenever I hear it I assume

the person saying the word is of low intelligence, limited education or poor upbringing. At the end of the day it's not really their fault they use the word, like all racists they are a product of their environment and do not believe the word is a problem. Similar to when a racist uses the n-word then follows it with, "I am not a racist that's what they call each other".

[aikoaiko]

61. Locking.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

ps. I hope you stick around.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

62. Bashing whitey is trendy these days.

It'll pass.