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The Most Gruesome Moments in the CIA Torture Report
The CIAs rendition, interrogation, and detention programs were even more nightmarish than you could imagine.
Interrogations that lasted for days on end. Detainees forced to stand on broken legs, or go 180 hours in a row without sleep. A prison so cold, one suspect essentially froze to death. The Senate Intelligence Committee is finally releasing its review of the CIA's detention and interrogation programs. And it is brutal.
Here are some of the most gruesome moments of detainee abuse from a summary of the report, obtained by The Daily Beast:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html
Well Worn Waterboards
The CIA has previously said that only three detainees were ever waterboarded: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zabaydah, and Abd Al Rahim al-Nashiri. But records uncovered by the Senate Intelligence Committee suggest there may have been more than three subjects. The Senate report describes a photograph of a well worn waterboard, surrounded by buckets of water, at a detention site where the CIA has claimed it never subjected a detainee to this procedure. In a meeting with the CIA in 2013, the agency was not able to explain the presence of this waterboard.
Near Drowning
Contrary to CIAs description to the Department of Justice, the Senate report says that the waterboarding was physically harmful, leading to convulsions and vomiting. During one session, detainee Abu Zabaydah became completely unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded at least 183 times, which the Senate report describes as escalating into a "series of near drownings."
The Dungeon-Like Salt Pit
Opened in Sept. 2002, this poorly-managed detention facility was the second site opened by the CIA after 9/11. The Senate report refers to it by the pseudonym Cobalt, but details of what happened there indicate that its a notorious black site in Afghanistan known as the Salt Pit. Although the facility kept few formal records, the committee concluded that untrained CIA operatives conducted unauthorized, unsupervised interrogation there.
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Standing on Broken Legs
In Nov. 2002, a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to the floor died, apparently from hypothermia. This case appears similar to the that of Gul Rahman, who died of similarly explained causes at a Afghan site known as the "Salt Pit," also in Nov. 2002. The site was also called The Dark Prison by former captives.
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Forced Rectal Feeding and Worse
At least five detainees were subjected to rectal feeding or rectal hydration, without any documented medical need. Others were deprived of sleep, which could involve staying awake for up to 180 hourssometimes standing, sometimes with their hands shackled above their heads.
Some detainees were forced to walk around naked, or shackled with their hands above their heads. In other instances, naked detainees were hooded and dragged up and down corridors while subject to physical abuse.
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other stuff outlined in article--->
Non-stop Interrogation
Lost Detainees
No Blockbuster Intelligence
Contractors and Shrinks
Lies to the President
Cover-Ups
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)"Sharpened questioning" used by the Gestapo.
So, yeah, Nazi comparisons are go.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and, sadly. quite appropriate. The land of the free, my ass.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)To all on this website who are not American I don't even know what to say to you. There are those of us who did stand up and say no and went to mass protests and voted against politicians who voted for the war, but it did no good. Conservative Christians talk of how America has lost its soul because we are no longer a Christian nation. I agree with them. We have lost our soul but it is not because we are no longer a Christian nation. It is because we kill in the name of God although that is just a mask. We really kill for money and power.
JawJaw
(744 posts)The whole world knows that many MILLIONS of Americans were AGAINST Cheney's invasions. We saw your huge protests on our TV news, even as US TV news covered it up for the domestic audience. Hell, many of us protested ourselves all over the world, too.
The first step to recovery is admitting the problem, though. It's a painful process, but an essential one.
We know EXACTLY why the Republicans didn't want this report to come out, and it's nothing to do with security.
calimary
(90,039 posts)to stop it. To expose it. To slow it down and otherwise obstruct. Did no good at all. But DAMN we tried!!!
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)liberal_at_heart
We know - and have debated this years ago - when the first rumors of torture was made public - some supported it - most was against it - and I guess most of them who was for it - are now against it - as the details is documented more and more clearly show how horrible it was, sadly I lost contact with most of them years ago - but I would loved to have a few words with them now - as the evidences is up in the light...
It will take years to mend the damage the GWB administration did with the use of torture on a grand scale like it did - and I'm afraid the backlash will be dangerous for many americans - who are in harms way out in the real world...
Diclotican
randome
(34,845 posts)Neither you nor anyone else who abhors this should be ashamed of anything. The blame should be laid at the feet of the torturers and their enablers, no one else. What did you have to do with it?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
KansDem
(28,498 posts)LIMBAUGH: Exactly. Exactly my point! This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?
http://mediamatters.org/research/2004/05/05/limbaugh-on-torture-of-iraqis-us-guards-were-ha/131111
"Having a good time?"
"Emotional release?"
"Need to blow some steam off?"
I really have no use for the Rush Limbaughs of the world...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Because the Limbaughs of the world will surly go there to pay for what they are doing.
calimary
(90,039 posts)Since you think it's all fun n games and just lettin' off steam like the frat boys do, then YOU have some. C'mon. Whaddya afraid of?
No mercy.
underpants
(196,502 posts)Dick knew what was going on fully.
shraby
(21,946 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Look at him and listen to him. He would love to get down and dirty in a torture chamber.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)of their parents to compel said parents to inform on the Resistance.
Just a rumor at this point and only alleged to have been done by American and allied mercenaries, not by US armed forces. But with no trials or even criminal investigations, I'll believe it.
USA! USA! USA!
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)we paid $80 million for the "service."
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)sweep of Anbar province along with your children. You're being held in a prison like Abu Ghraib staffed with U.S. military personnel. You're interrogated by someone speaking American, British or Israeli-accented English who demands you give up the members of the resistance. You refuse and may even undergo some torture. But still you refuse. And then your kids are brought into the room and sodomized in front of you by one or more of those same 'interrogators'.
At that point, 'mercenary' vs. U.S. Armed Forces seems like the proverbial 'distinction without a difference,' at least as far as retaliation goes.
I won't go so far as to say that America 'deserves' to be massively attacked. But if Bush and Cheney are not arrested and put on trial, then I may have to reconsider that position.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)Rape evidence:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html
Witness statements:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6527.htm
Seymour Hersh on child rape tapes:
http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And this is all only a fraction of the report, much more gruesome events are still secret....it is sickening even to imagine what is still hidden.
Rule of law, motherfuckers, rule of law....the rule is coming for you, Dick, George and the rest of the criminals.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,161 posts)It HAD to be, given all the frantic scrambling to hide any and all evidence.
America has wracked up enough bad karma to last 100 years.
A slight beginning at healing over will not begin until the war criminals are indicted and tried, all the way up the chain of command.
Including the chickenshit members of Congress who supported the torture and helped to hide it and profited from teh heinous oil wars.
NO wonder we are so hated in many parts of the globe.
calimary
(90,039 posts)why we're hated as a country - there are actually a number of reasons, but one need not look any farther than this.
We HAVE TO own up to this, to the world. And to our own consciences.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)I've read reports that the WH wasn't all that enthusiastic to have this info go public. I don't know how much resistance the WH put up, but the cat is out of the bag now. As a Buddhist, it is a GOOD THING to look at this torture episode honestly and admit that it was deeply inhumane. Bad karma will result from this, and it may take many many years for the bad karma effects to run out. But honestly admitting the wrong and making a commitment to never never never again resort to these tactics is the best way to generate some sort of good out of it.
The very best thing of course, would be to put a few people on trial for crimes against humanity, but I seriously doubt that will ever happen. Obama will probably pardon Bush and Cheney at the end of his presidency. One thing is for sure, Bush and Cheney had better not ever step foot in Europe, because some folks there would not think twice about dragging their asses into the world courts in The Hague.
A shameful episode in our history.
harun
(11,381 posts)2naSalit
(102,804 posts)is the very impetus for NOT joining the World Court in The Hague. Someone knew this was on the agenda and was very careful to avoid accountability. It's the same reason we ended up allegedly pulling out of Afghanistan entirely, because we could not get nation-sanctioned impunity to carryout our heinous acts on innocent civilians, drone strikes are just the tip of that iceberg.
I think we should send the previous administration, all of them on a world tour that makes it's first and last stops at The Hague.
I've been ashamed of my country since 2000, I predicted much of what came after the SCOTUS selection of our corporate criminal cabal with emphasis on getting us into long-term wars for oil and profit. I am still contemplating where I should go, if there is such a place, to renounce my connections to this, even though I protested and voted against it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The perpetrators should still be in prison. May God punish those responsible. There is no greater crime than torture.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)This is approaching Nazi-level evil.
2naSalit
(102,804 posts)I think it is at or beyond that level.
MsLeopard
(1,305 posts)far surpasses what used to be considered the gold standard of propaganda - the Nazi machine led by Goebbels (I think). The Nazis would be green with envy to see what corporate America has deployed to keep the masses ignorant and docile. It's quite sickening.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is there is a great beyond, which I do not believe, would be cackling and rubbing his hands together in glee to watch the depradations of basic human morality being put into action by his star students, KKKarl Rove, the Koch brothers, and especially Roger Ailes. They leaned their lessons so well they far surpassed their teacher.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)And it's interactive now...down to discussion boards on the internet.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)Ohh what a depressing birthday
heaven05
(18,124 posts)big surprise.
Hell, certain types and groups of americans have been torturing and murdering certain types, groups and NATIONS of people for centuries, in this country alone, not to mention elsewhere. THIS IS par for the course.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)trusty elf
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)as a matter of course to "protect freedumb", doesn't it?
Chimpy, Darth, Rummy, Rice, and the rest of that rotten lot should all be out dancing. At the end of ropes.
Alkene
(752 posts)The CCC
(463 posts)But no one is responsible from The Shrub and his Dick on down.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)EVER forget that the current POTUS called the torturers "patriots." NEVER forget that for a minute.
calimary
(90,039 posts)We are SO damaged by this. In every way imaginable! Morally! Ethically! Mentally and physically damaged. This was done in our name and on our dime. So we are ALL besmirched by it. Damn them! And not one word of regret from them either. They're proud of this!
What little I have to be proud of is how I was among those of us standing against this and fighting against this.
So utterly horrifying and shameful. Disgraceful and disgusting and sinful! And we really can't say this isn't America anymore, either. Because it IS. These bastards have taken that away from us too!!!
2naSalit
(102,804 posts)is how I was among those of us standing against this and fighting against this."
Ditto.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Line each and every one of these fuckers up for a gallows. One at a time.
Chunk-KRAK.
Next!
Chunk-KRAK!
Next!
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Spending their remaining years in a 4 x 8 x 7 cell with no windows for 23 hrs a day and only water and balogne on white bread sandwiches seems much more appropriate. Give them plenty of time to let it sink in what they have done. Also death would preclude the possibility of true repentance for their deeds. I do believe that people can sincerely repent--it's at least possible.
I honestly think that GW Bush, at first, knew very little about the torture, because he's clueless about almost everything else. And the CIA lied about it over and over. But once he did know, he covered it over to protect the perpetrators, because of his misguided sense of loyalty. So that makes him just as culpable. But Cheney and Condi Rice? No way they didn't know about this and CONDONE it. Cheney is such an evil genius. He's right out of a Marvel comic, isn't he?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)also, I'm afraid that it's terribly unlikely that all of this halted on January 21, 2009
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)War crimes and crimes against humanity are the sole exceptions to my opposition to the death penalty. Heads on pikes serve a purpose in that context.
pansypoo53219
(23,034 posts)maybe he will get it now. GEORGEE MADE US THE BAD GUYS. dickies hands too.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Actual fucking doctors who had taken the oath were part of this.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)"Whatever happened to truth serum?"
They weren't given a rehearsed talking point to reply to that so they would just freeze.
It was hilarious to witness.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)
The only guy Fearless Leader feared was Mr. Big.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That includes when Iraq invaded Kuwait, back in Poppy's day.
calimary
(90,039 posts)It leaves me feeling sick at heart.
Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(25,212 posts)And I didn't even know "rectal feeding" was a thing.
wingzeroday
(189 posts)Why didn't they just send them to the The Judge Rotenberg Center torture school in Massachusetts?
That way they could have strapped them down to tables and shocked them whenever they didn't answer questions or forced inhalation of ammonia, or sleep deprivation or food deprivation or deep-muscle pinches or a host of other atrocities.
All with the blessing of politicians.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Officers in the CIAs Detention and Interrogation Program included individuals who the committee said, among other things, had engaged in inappropriate detainee interrogations, had workplace anger management issues, and had reportedly admitted to sexual assault.
SOURCE (OP): http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Where was Congress when this was going on?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I hope you enjoy your newfound fame, as the 21st century's Marquis de Sade!
Blue Owl
(59,111 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)They cut all over my private parts. One of them said it would be better just to cut it off, as I would only breed terrorists. I asked for a doctor.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/aug/02/terrorism.humanrights1