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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLets call forced rectal feeding what it really is:
Rape/Sexual assault.
And that clearly makes it a war crime.
onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)Criminal.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)George Tennant, who was the CIA director, and liar-in-chief to the Senate. And Condi Rice has some culpability in this as well. Cheney is an easy target, because he's always spouting his corrupt mouth off. Tennant thinks his silence will keep him under the radar.
onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)Why do these evil fuckers always get away with such a major thing that effects us all.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)creating this travesty, John Yoo, Condi, Tennant et al, all of them!!!!! Cruel, evil people who knew exactly what they were doing and what it would entail. I believe.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Whole damned thing dies.
Get Cheney, the rest will follow...
What, you were thinking W was the head?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I have to agree....
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's total crap.
He was deputy director when the director resigned and took over as Director. Clinton's nomination was blocked by Republicans and Tenet was unanimously appointed to the post by the Senate.
Therefore, since EVERYBODY approved him expect to watch EVERYBODY take turns throwing him under the bus.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)due process...the whole thing was a criminal enterprise.
Sweeping it under the carpet and the mold that grows is worse than the dirt.
As far as I can tell the con response is that since the official state policy of torture and unlawful indefinite detention led to outrage creating more terrorists.....so best to hide the truth because....it might create more terrorists?
gvstn
(2,805 posts)"One of the detainees...was later diagnosed with chronic hemorrhoids, an anal fissure, and symptomatic rectal prolapse."
This means they yanked his asshole inside out, for those of you not up to date on your medical whitewashing.
malaise
(269,256 posts)Rec
Stuart G
(38,454 posts)Amendment VIII of Bill of Rights....
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Initech
(100,129 posts)Erose999
(5,624 posts)CIA and out military leadership can do pretty much anything they want to non-citizens abroad by our laws. Thats one of the reasons these things are done at GITMO (which is in Cuba) and other sites abroad. They're deliberately skirting US laws. Its illegal under international law, but when it "international law" the people doing the torture are part of the same organization theoretically responsible for enforcement of those laws.
These are the kinds of things Dickless Cheney and the DOJ discussed in memos that were made public years ago. I don't see any way forward, unless the UN passes a resolution against it, and given that the US has the UN by the short and curlies, I don't think that will happen any time soon.
trof
(54,256 posts)jeez
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)only way allowed when our military (our govs 'hired contractors) have a naked man stuffed in a box for a couple weeks.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Comments are my own.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)O
heaven05
(18,124 posts)needs to jump out without warning...much more shocking and effective as an outrage generator. Of course, that's only my take.
MFM008
(19,827 posts)Torture is offensive and shocking.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Obama Reverses Pledge to Release Photos of Detainee Abuse
A month after making public once-classified Justice Department memos detailing the Bush administration's coercive methods of interrogation, President Obama yesterday chose secrecy over disclosure, saying he will seek to block the court-ordered release of photographs depicting the abuse of detainees held by U.S. authorities abroad.
Obama agreed less than three weeks ago not to oppose the photos' release, but he changed his mind after viewing some of the images and hearing warnings from his generals in Iraq and in Afghanistan that such a move would endanger U.S. troops deployed there.
"The publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals," Obama said yesterday. "In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in danger."
Civil liberties and human rights advocates said the reversal would serve to maintain the Bush administration's legacy of secrecy. Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, said Obama's shift was "deeply disappointing."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051301751.html
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Rumsfelds outrage was people were running around with cameras.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)The Senate report stresses that the CIA did not have detainees survival as its top priority when it administered the enemas. An unnamed person in the report said the enemas helped to clear a persons head, suggesting detainees would be more amenable to cooperation afterward, and a chief of interrogation in characterized the procedure as a demonstration of total control over the detainee.
We must prosecute the people who approved these orders (at the least).
yourmovemonkey
(267 posts)Someone probably thought they were being "cute" by giving it another name, but they weren't concerned one bit about hydrating anyone. It's absolutely disgusting.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)this news of our Inquisition techniques. Done in the name of all americans, whether 9/11 victims or not. I think the killing of a 100-thousand innocents in Iraq and lord knows how many in "the graveyard of empires" more than evened the score needed by the american public and it's leaders for 'retribution'. I could be wrong though. Maybe more is still needed. Oh wait, the slaughter is still going on with our proxies pulling the triggers and pushing the buttons.......it ain't over yet... .
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romeneskos media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:
Debating about it, ummm Some of the worst things that happened you dont know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib The women were passing messages out saying Please come and kill me, because of whats happened and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. Its going to come out.
http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/
Lars39
(26,117 posts)to get them out of that hell hole.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Rockyj
(538 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)So what is the bigger crime? The countless gross criminal acts of torture ... or the deliberate denial of bring swift and certain justice for them? Every American needs to take a shower tonight to get all this national slime of shame off themselves . . .
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)Obama's not ignoring it. He argued for releasing it over strong Rethug opposition.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/12/09/obama-bush-senate-torture-report-dick-cheney/20129507/
Supporters of two very different presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush are bracing for battle over Tuesday's Senate report on what Obama backers call "torture" and what Bush backers call "enhanced interrogation techniques."
While Obama and aides support release of the report as a way to prevent future abuses, some former Bush administration officials call it partisan second-guessing of CIA techniques that proved necessary during the war on terrorism.
"What I keep hearing out there is they portray this as a rogue operation and the agency was way out of bounds and then they lied about it," former vice president Dick Cheney told The New York Times. "I think that's all a bunch of hooey. The program was authorized. The agency did not want to proceed without authorization, and it was also reviewed legally by the Justice Department before they undertook the program."
Current administration officials said Obama supports release of the report by the Senate Intelligence Committee.
SNIP
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)questionseverything
(9,666 posts)for 6&1/2 years now he has obstructed justice in regards to the bushco's torture program.....the aclu has no power to prosecute but their call for issuing pardons is morally reprehensible
mimi85
(1,805 posts)have def missed something. Not unusual for me unfortunately.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)That is something a President can do.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)talking about the last few years. Thanks for reminding me. Feliz Navidad!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)enough with trying to soften the release
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Compassionate conservatives, God in the mix Christians.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)So that means bushcheney co are proud rapists. No wonder the rape meme is being so heavily promoted.
Blue Owl
(50,547 posts)n/t
lame54
(35,343 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)There isn't enough paint in the universe to pretty up the horrors those people were subjected to. The people that carried out those orders are likely also messed up for the rest of their lives, too.
It's just a shameful stain on our nation.
The hearts of those who underwent torture, and those that followed the orders to torture are forever decimated and lost their humanity.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Solly Mack
(90,798 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I kid.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)sarcasm thingy here
Orrex
(63,261 posts)I'm so far past disgusted about this whole thing that I can scarcely contemplate it.
If our fine nation discovered that American POWs were being treated this way, we would already have bombed the country flat and demanded that every member of the government be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
Gothmog
(145,795 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)K and R
Derek V
(532 posts)Rec for your thread.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)is a dream for gunz.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)he'd take Montevideo beggars and demonstrate the effects of various voltages and frequencies until they died
dhol82
(9,353 posts)I'll bet he was strongly pro-life.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)of prisoners who were fasting/refusing to eat? is this also how they were being fed?
if our own country will not hold bush and cheney criminally responsible, will the u.n.?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)for its inconvenient truth.
niyad
(113,776 posts)mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)F--ked up!!!
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)And if inserting a tube into the rectum was all it consisted of I'd agree that it was merely rape. Everything that transpires after the tube insertion is a fuck of a lot worse. Nobody is so dumb that they don't know the basics of the digestive system and that no one can be "fed" rectally. Everyone also knows what happens when a substance is administered through the rectum and that the purpose when medically necessary is to evacuate the bowel. Clearly, this wasn't done for any medical purpose, and no one should have any illusions that what, how much and how this was administered was anything in the same universe as a medically necessary enema.
Calling it merely rape ignores everything that occurs after the tube is inserted which is by FAR a million times worse.
It's not just a war crime, it's a heinous evil medieval torture that the mere thought of should make anyone cringe in utter disgust and horror.
Crunchy Frog
(26,701 posts)a case where a man was subjected to a violently forced rectal examination when he went into the ER to get some stitches in his forehead. I got raked over the coals for posting my opinion that this represented an instance of rape and sodomy.
But yes, I absolutely agree that this sort of thing represents a form of rape/sexual assault.