I知 Ready for Hillary.... By HOWARD DEAN... December 10, 2014

[msanthrope]

Hilary Clinton is by far the most qualified person in the United States to serve as President. If she runs, I will support her. I have known Hillary for almost twenty-five years. We first met when I was the governor of Vermont and she was the First Lady, giving us the opportunity to work together in various capacities, particularly on expanding health care access. During those years, I have learned that she is one of the most conscientious and competent people I have ever met. She has an enormous capacity to analyze and solve problems. She has a work ethic that drives her to persist until the job is done and done right. And she has a record in the Senate of successfully working with both sides of our very combative political spectrum in order to accomplish goals that improve the lives of ordinary Americans.

One of the most important reasons I am supporting her is because Secretary Clinton understands the institutional requirements of the Supreme Court. More than 73 percent of Americans think the Supreme Court is no longer a fair arbitrator and is influenced by political considerations. I am one of those 73 percent. This Court has repeatedly made decisions that have harmed our country for the sake of extending a political and ideological agenda that is far outside the mainstream of American traditions—on issues like campaign finance, voting rights, the rights of women, and religious freedom.

America needs a thoughtful President who will appoint judges and justices who will stand up for the Constitution and the law instead of catering to the dictates of those who fund the right-wing Federalist Society. I am confident that Hillary Clinton will provide that leadership.

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton built up a strong record of working effectively with our partners and allies to deal with challenges to global peace. In her four years as Secretary of State, she traveled nearly a million miles and visited with foreign leaders in 112 countries to address common problems from terrorism to overcoming the oppression of women to global warming. She has the experience and knowledge required to protect American national security in a time of new challenges that threaten peace and prosperity, including the menace that is ISIL. Secretary Clinton’s work serving President Obama has earned the respect of any thinking American—including Republicans—both inside the Beltway and around the country.

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Smart man.

[Autumn]

1. Good for him! I'm ready for Bernie myself!

I think it's just wonderful that in this country we can have such a diverse group of people running for President.

[msanthrope]

4. Bernie is doing a great job with his non-running. As I noted yesterday, his waiting on an

announcement has stymied leftist third parties.

[Lugano]

8. Perhaps it's not *quite* the time to announce?

As indicated in an article a few weeks ago, he has hired a Democratic strategist named Tad Devine.

Very good strategist. Same guy who advised Gore-Lieberman and Kerry-Edwards - he'll get the nomination.

Has Secretary Clinton announced to the world yet?

And when it's time to announce - she's announcing she's not running - then what? PANIC?! That's why we have a Democratic primary.

Even if Secretary Clinton is running, she won't even muster the votes she needs after several debates.

[msanthrope]

10. Oh dear lord...how is he going to get the Democratic nomination when he's not a Democrat?

Bernie can't even slate, or debate, if he doesn't switch.

And he isn't making any moves to do so.

[Lugano]

18. Really? Bernie has already *INDICATED* that he will switch and run

IF he decides to run for President.

Hint: He hired a DEMOCRATIC strategist named Tad Devine.

Right now, Today's Democratic is off the spectrum. Bernie is the perfect person to switch to Democratic to bring back the *TRUE* Democratic principles, not give lip service to the 99%ers!

[msanthrope]

22. Oh lordy...hiring Tad isn't going to make him a Democrat. Tell me...what is Bernie

actually doing to switch?

[Lugano]

25. That's for Bernie to do...

and not for me...

I'll just wait... It's still too early to announce....

I think in 2015 we'll get a better idea as people are ready for the next President.....

I think after seeing Republicans fuck up one thing after another, people will grow tired of it.

Status quo won't help.

Just my opinion.

Nice to see people that are so protective of their non-candidates too.

[VanillaRhapsody]

127. and the REAL question they cannot answer with a straight face....WHY Bernie needs to become

a Democrat to win....

[LawDeeDah]

137. not to win, to be part of the line up and bring up the important issues

and tough questions for the rest of the panel during the debates and the campaign. And this is why some people are getting dismissive and outright rude to him, that he might ask or state some uncomfortable things that will make Hillary look ... well, look like how she really is.

He never once said he was going to win. And if you prefer him to remain an independent and take away votes from the Democrat, then don't be shy and just say it.

[still_one]

202. Actually, you are partly right, it is to bring up the issues that most candidates try to evade, but

I also believe he believes he has a chance also, as will any other candidate running

[VanillaRhapsody]

206. He needs their money....he cannot raise enough on his own...

[VanillaRhapsody]

205. NOOOOO....if all that were true...he wouldn't have to....he wouldn't need them....but he does....

he HAS too because he needs THEIR money....he cannot raise enough to win...

[still_one]

201. Because for better or worse the country is run by two parties, and at least today, someone running

on a third party ticket cannot win.

and if you don't believe that huge interests behind both parties influence who is going to be the respective nominees, I have some swamp land in Arizona to sell you.

[TheKentuckian]

169. I'm sure he knows where his country clerk's office is, he can pop in at any point.

He isn't preparing for boards or going for a black belt here. You don't need any committee, training, study, nor lawyer or accountants, no witness statements.

You walk into a building, maybe take a number, fill out a short form, and check a box.

Seeing that ole Bernie knows how to read and write, already has he all the training that is required. It is a situation controlled by volition. When and if he decides to do it and is in town it takes moments, no fuss no buss.

Concern noted there are no worries on this particular front.

[msanthrope]

172. Um, no....you don't slate or debate or get money or infrastructure just because you

filled out a form. He isn't gonna have to change his voter id....he's gonna have to buy in.

[TheKentuckian]

196. You spoke to becoming a Democrat so that was addressed the rest? Meh...

Charlie Crist had been a TeaPubliKlan, an Indy, and a Democrat in about the same space of time, one move should be easily possible.

Buy in? Not so much, I thought this is "The Big Tent" and about anything goes. Conservatives never have any concerns about "buying in", I see no reason for concern here on such a note and if the "buy in" is too steep and there aren't guarantees about debates and such then I would make it crystal clear that an independent run is the alternative so the ante better be reasonable.

[msanthrope]

198. No..anything doesn't go. Bernie isn't going to motivate the Dem structure to work for him without

a substantial buy in....he's going to have to prove he can raise money, organize, and play well with others. Crist could give lessons.

Bernie doesn't have the leverage you seem to think he does.

[PAProgressive28]

182. I pretty much stalk Bernie

Not literally, but I have seen every interview the guy has done in the past 2 years. He is contemplating whether to run 3rd party of Democratic. I would wager it will be the second option. Attacking Bernie because he isn't part of the party won't be an effective line for long and doesn't work in the present quite frankly.

[msanthrope]

183. I'm not attacking Bernie! He's doing a great job for Democrats! nt

[Atman]

16. A socialist will NEVER win the nomination, let alone the presidency.

I love Bernie, but this is America. The GOP already has a dozen "EUROPEAN SOCIALIST!" ads in the can, waiting for Bernie to announce. We're not a very bright nation, we just parrot what we've been told on Da Newz. A war-mongering thief from the Bush family has a far better chance of being elected than a damn commie socialist. Sad, but true.

[Lugano]

20. Perhaps it's not scary as it sounds?

Let them *TRY* and Faux Noize try...

The more people that learn about Bernie, might DECIDE that he's the right person for the job.

And they learn about the platforms and what he represents *THEIR* interests rather than the 1%'s that has basically more or less destroyed the middle class.

I believe Bernie's policies and issues has better chances of improving the ailing America who is being abused by the 1%'ers.

But right now, no-one is announcing anything, all we can do is speculate.

The only candidates we can debate at this point is Ben Carson who has announced, and I'm not interested in him, only interested to sending him before the AMA and seeing his license to practice medicine revoked due to ethics.

[Atman]

23. He's got a funny accent and comes from that hippie state with all the cheese and Subarus.

Sorry. He is unelectable outside of the Northeast or Pacific Northwest. But I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. He'd be my own first choice. But then, I live in the Northeast.

[Lugano]

42. Keep on guessing...

I think we're ready for a funny accent and comes from that hippie state with all the cheese and Subarus.

I live in the West. I think Sanders' principles and ideals will be warmly welcomed here. People wants a shakeup.

[Fawke Em]

96. I live in the Southeast and he's my first choice, too.

See, some of us Southern white people aren't nuts!

(Actually, most Southern Democrats are very, very liberal as a result of living next to the wing-nuts for years. It's just there aren't as many of us)

[Erose999]

125. Southeast here too. Bernie will stand strong against all the bullshit that the GOP will throw at him

and go on the offensive and I think voters here will respond to that. Obama thinks he can just let it go without comment and that only encourages the bullshit more.

[Scootaloo]

179. How is it that every liberal is deemed "unelectable" on DU? And never our conservatives?:

It's some Fifth column shit we have going on here, I think

[Autumn]

15. I'm sure you may be busy so have your law clerk do some research, Hillary is also doing a bang up

job with her non-running.

[msanthrope]

19. The Democratic election machine is already in place....take a look at Iowa.

Bernie's non-run means the fringe...like the Greens, can't coalesce effectively.

[Autumn]

30. Hillary announce yet? Or is she still non-running? I gotta say though

The Democratic election machine will help Bernie if and when he decides to run as a Dem which he has talked about doing.

[msanthrope]

31. Take a look at her travel. And yes...the Democratic machine will help Bernie..if he wins

the nom.

[Lugano]

47. So will you be fully supporting Senator Sanders

if he does switch, run and win the Democratic nomination - despite the 1%'ers and M$M efforts to promote Clinton?

[msanthrope]

50. I will do for him what I have done for every Democratic nominee. nt

[brooklynite]

58. Name ANY Hillary supporter who has said they won't support Bernie if he wins the nomination...

[hrmjustin]

94. Every active Hillary supporter on this site has said we would support the nominee if Hillary doesn't

win.

Plenty of anti-Hillary posters have said they will not support her in the general here.

[Hekate]

162. Amazing how that works, isn't it?

[hrmjustin]

164. it is.

I guess it will take some time for some to accept she be our nominee.

[Andy823]

178. Yes it is amazing

Kind of makes you wonder just what kind of an agenda they really have. Not voting for the democratic nominee only helps the republican nominee, of course maybe they don' know that.

[Lugano]

45. That Democratic election machine is us - the 99%'ers..

not some corporatist 1%'ers who decides for us. We decide.

And if Bernie does switch and run, the Machine will ensure his election to the seat he seeks.

[Autumn]

63. I've said it before and I believe it, if Bernie runs Hillary might as well stay home.

[bullwinkle428]

36. Hillary layed an egg in Iowa in 2008, and I got to see it up close all the

way through caucus night, having been a resident of the state for many years.

I hope her campaign infrastructure has learned the necessary lessons following her initial foray.

[LawDeeDah]

145. It's astounding how Hillary was such a noob regarding campaigning.

[gwheezie]

9. I support hillary but hope bernie runs

If he makes his case to the American people he has a shot at it. I don't believe hillary is anointed and think it will be good for the country if there is an active dem primary. Hope a few others join in.

[Autumn]

17. I think the more the merrier. Bernie being in the race will force a discussion that

I'm sure she would rather not have. In 2008 I was a Hillary supporter.

[BlueCaliDem]

106. Senator Sanders in the primary race will make SoS Clinton a better Democratic candidate.

But that's as far as he'll be able to go. He just doesn't have the infrastructure in place, and with Citizens United still the law, he'll have a hard time beating the Koch Party Machine.

However, he'll ensure that SoS Clinton doesn't veer off to the (always wrong) Right if she's inclined to (which I'm not sure she is). I believe SoS Clinton is more progressive than many are giving her credit for. She also knows how to run a campaign (what to watch out for), and she has a formidable campaign machine, name-recognition, and the 22 million jobs, Justices Bader-Ginsberg and Breyer, and excellent economic track record that her husband had left for us when he exited the White House. Although she might be inclined not to run on those huge successes, she should. No one believes she didn't have anything to do with it.

Finally, I don't believe there's a single Republican capable of beating her. I'm not a huge SoS Clinton fan, but she is a powerful force for our side and I will gladly cast my vote for her should she win the Democratic nomination in 2016.

[AtomicKitten]

121. Hooboy.

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She also knows how to run a campaign.

Um, no. Refer to Campaign 2008.

... and she has a formidable campaign machine, name-recognition, and the 22 million jobs, Justices Bader-Ginsberg and Breyer, and excellent economic track record that her husband had left for us when he exited the White House. Although she might be inclined not to run on those huge successes, she should. No one believes she didn't have anything to do with it.

Are you suggesting she plagiarize her own record by running on somebody else's record?

[BlueCaliDem]

140. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm approaching this with common sense, not idealistic

wants and desires for the perfect Liberal candidate. It might surprise you that the majority of people in this country don't mind left-of-center, but they have a healthy skepticism toward any candidate who is further to one side or the other, and the "socialist" word has been made toxic in this country and a death warrant for any candidate who's branded by it. Unfortunately, Senator Sanders is on tape calling himself a socialist, and it will be used over and over and over again to terrify people with. They will NOT cast a vote for a socialist. Period.

I don't want the next president to be a Republican who will most likely appoint replacements for Scalia, Kennedy, and Bader-Ginsberg. Lest we forget, Bader-Ginsberg and Breyer were appointees by her husband and have been pretty good justices for the country. I'd like the three I've listed to be replaced by people like them. With SoS Clinton as president, we will.

Um, no. Refer to Campaign 2008.

She's been there, done that. No other Democrat who is proposing to run, has. She knows the pitfalls and what not to do. This will be an added advantage for her.

Are you suggesting she plagiarize her own record by running on somebody else's record?

As I've explained in that paragraph, NOBODY with a modicum of common sense believes that she had nothing to do with the success of her husband. NOBODY. So no. No plagiarizing of her husband's successes involved.

All I'm suggesting is that this will be in the voters' minds when they decide whether or not she's worth voting for. There's no way you can separate President Clinton's years from the First Lady. You just can't.

[AtomicKitten]

142. Okay, then by the same token she is responsible

for welfare reform that entrenched poverty, the deregulation that caused the financial markets to collapse, DOMA, DADT, China given Most Favored Nation status, Telecommunications Act of 1996 that deregulated the radio market and set the stage for massive media mergers, NAFTA that opened the flood gates for jobs moving overseas, etc., etc.

You cannot cherrypick "their" resume by ignoring the icky stuff. If Hillary cannot run on her own record, she is not qualified to run period.

[Zorra]

195. Me, too! nt

[Lugano]

2. Dean's wrong.

But then again, I'm not surprised by the fact that Dean is blind to the fact she is a corporatist Democrat and thus unsuitable for the 99%.

And the fact that she helped author TPP has already deemed her unsuitable for anything but a Republican nomination.

Dean, you'll be surprised by the fact that the American people do in fact want "fresh new car smell" as President Obama so eloquently put on, throwing a subtle hint.

As for myself, I'm backing Bernie.

So far, zero for Hillary, two for Bernie (at this count)

[MoonRiver]

6. You'd be surprised about how many of the 99% support Hillary.

She's definitely got enough support to easily win the nomination and general election.

[djean111]

32. Well, then, no need to chastise those who don't care for her, right? n/t

[MoonRiver]

41. Not chastising. Just bringing to their awareness how vast is Hillary's support.

[Lugano]

51. I'm sure you've heard this famous quote

"a mile wide, and an inch deep"

[MoonRiver]

56. That has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, if that was your implication.

[SidDithers]

59. ...

Sid

[djean111]

54. It has been mentioned. I understand there is a poll, not to mention lists, links,

and a diamond-shaped chart. Entire threads are hijacked by those spreading this meme.
The "everybody else is doing it so you should do it too" thing - I was warned against this when young, and it still holds true.
Especially when "everybody else" cannot really be quantified.

[cascadiance]

64. And Hillary's support over Obama was "vast" even a year later right before 2008 too...

... but look who won in the end. Now his campaign was a more nebulous "Hope and Change" that had people hoping he'd be our FDR, but a candidate that is more specific on and delivers on more substantive real progressive change this time around has a LOT of time to win, despite the corporate media and corporate influenced PTB's efforts to continue their second depression causing stranglehold of our government.

Dean's just taking himself out of the equation with statements like these.

[MoonRiver]

70. Your problem is that Obama was running then, Elizabeth Warren is not now.

If Obama had not run, Hillary would be our president right now.

[Logical]

119. Only hillary can lose a 30 point lead! nt

[Logical]

117. Vast like 2008?? LOL! nt

[MoonRiver]

171. You can LOL all you want, but Hillary has the best chance

to be our nominee and win the presidency. How about bookmarking this and I'll get back to you in 2016.

[Logical]

181. Only Hillary can lose a 30 point lead in months. Lets hope it happens again to Warren. nt

[msanthrope]

7. Dean is blind to what HRC is? You sound concerned. nt

[Lugano]

11. Yes.

I know Dean is a centrist. I was a Deaniac in 2004. I read his books, I knew his bio.

But by saying that he's ready for Hillary that he didn't really do his complete vetting.

But, if Hillary is it, then I'll support her, but until then, I'm not ready for Hillary. Right now, I stand by Bernie and if he does choose to run for President, and he will run as a Democrat from the left side, and his policies and issues are well-known.

I think America are tired of the status quo - which I believe Hillary Clinton is, but it's time to stop right there and change America.

A shakeup is what we need right now.

[msanthrope]

13. You seem to cast Dean as a simple-minded person, unable to think clearly.....

you sound concerned.

[Lugano]

37. I have a lot of respect for Dean, as explained above...

But it's Dean's choice, and it's one man's choice.

If a certain Independent Senator switches and enters his name on that hat, I think Dean will change his tune.

[NCTraveler]

14. "But by saying that he's ready for Hillary that he didn't really do his complete vetting."

Pretty laughable. No one in this country has been vetted like Hillary. No one.

[Lugano]

33. So explain to me.....

Why Secretary Clinton support Trans Pacific Partnership agreement that is NAFTA on steroids.

You support TPP?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michele-swenson/nafta-the-transpacific-clinton_b_5523327.html

What about Keystone XL? She's stuck on this topic:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/16/hillary-clinton-has-a-keystone-xl-catch-22/

I'd like answers to those questions...

[NCTraveler]

44. I am not here to amuse you. Thanks for the try though.

I was only laughing at your comical reply that Dean must not have vetted her. It truly is funny. That is what was addressed. Now you are moving the goal posts in order to quiver away from your initial claim. That initial claim is what I responded to. This follow up you are attempting has nothing to do with your blatantly false claim. Nice try at change. Very dishonest debate tactic. Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with your insinuation that Dean didn't vet her. In fact, you are now making it about me. My response was directly to your claim.

I responded to your post #11. Seems you have gotten lost or confused.

[whathehell]

43. He wasn't ALWAYS a centrist..What happened to his progressivism?..That's what brought

him to the fore in 2004. As he used to say "I'm from the Democratic Wing of

the Democratic Party"...That was originally Paul Wellstone's line, and HE was no

centrist.

[hrmjustin]

74. With all do respect I think Howard Dean knew exactly what he was doing and he did his vetting.

And he is not a centrist.

[JI7]

143. Dean has known and worked with Hillary going back Decades, he isn't some random individual

who never met her and just decided to support her .

[SidDithers]

3. DU rec...

and bookmarking.



Sid

[msanthrope]

5. Between this and Warren's repeated "not running" statements, quite a lot of

bookmarks.

[NCTraveler]

12. No doubt he is a smart man. nt.

[think]

21. That's a shame but not surprising.... /nt

[L0oniX]

24. I will not vote for Hillary ...period!

...and I might as well put you on ignore. We aren't ever going to agree on anything!

[msanthrope]

34. Okay!!! I LOVE it when people put me on ignore and announce it. I make a point of

replying to their posts.

[Cha]

184. I was happy about that once.. turns out he lied. :)

[brooklynite]

60. Just an observation but, you only want to talk to people who agree with you?

You must have some dull conversations.

[L0oniX]

73. Woopse ...took you off of ignore by mistake.

[antigop]

101. oh, you mean like the HRC forum? LOL!!! nt

[hrmjustin]

103. The sop of the room states it is for her supporters only.

[antigop]

105. lol...yep. only for those who want to talk with people who agree with them. You proved the point!

"You must have some dull conversations."-- brooklynite's words, not mine.

[hrmjustin]

107. Well the person you addressed doesn't post in the room often.

I post there often and host there but I post in GD as well and duscuss the primary with people who disagree with me.

[antigop]

108. the mere existence of the HRC forum proves brooklynite's point. I don't see brooklynite

making a comment about the HRC forum and how "boring" it must be!

BWAHAAA!!!!!

[hrmjustin]

109. Ok.

[brooklynite]

113. Maybe because I don't hang out there (didn't even know it existed)

And as anyone who's read my discourse with Manny et al, I'm happy to engage with anyone who has a different opinion about 2016 candidates.

[antigop]

114. you didn't know it existed... right... well now you do...do they have "boring" conversations there?

[brooklynite]

118. From a quick scan? looks about on par with the Elizabeth Warren group...

...which I don't spend time in either.

FWIW, I'm not a fan of Clinton, so I don't need to hang out with people who are. I support Clinton because I think she's the best possible candidate we can put up in a critical election period when we can't afford to make the mistake of picking an unsuccessful one.

[antigop]

126. so do they having "boring" conversations in the HRC group? Must be,

according to you.

[brooklynite]

128. Is there a point to this question...

I responded to someone who publicly proclaimed he didn't want to talk to anyone who disagreed with him. What other people do isn't my concern.

[antigop]

131. just answer the question....read what you posted in Post #60 and answer my question....

"Do people in the HRC forum have boring conversations?"

That's the question...the HRC forum is for SUPPORTERS ONLY.

[Bobbie Jo]

129. Wut?

[Number23]

176. Have you ever seen people gunning so hard for a fight over absolutely NOTHING?

!!!

[hrmjustin]

132. I like to think we have interesting conversations in the room.

[antigop]

134. that's not an answer to brooklynite's post #60 where he says it must be "boring" only talking with

those who agree with you.

So --by that measure, the conversations in the HRC forum must be "boring".

brooklynite's words... not mine.

[brooklynite]

110. Wouldn't know; I've never been there...

[antigop]

111. lol. You haven't mentioned the "boring" conversations that take place there, have you?

[brooklynite]

115. Can't mention what I've never seen...

...as opposed to a posting here where someone says they're putting someone else on IGNORE because they'll never agree...

[antigop]

135. doesn't matter whether you've "seen" it or not...you know it exists and is FOR SUPPORTERS ONLY.

So from post #60, the conversations must be "boring" there.

[brooklynite]

138. Okay - if anyone there publicly states they don't want to talk to someone who disagrees with them...

...I say they have boring conversations as well.

FWIW, you have have two people who both support Hillary Clinton, and disagree on any number of issues.

[antigop]

150. the forum specifically states FOR SUPPORTERS ONLY. So the conversations in HRC forum are boring.

Thanks for your acknowledgement.

[moriah]

72. Don't stress, if she wins the nomination you and your "stay at home" crowd....

.... will get to disagree with Skinner, too!

Since I'll be voting for and supporting whoever DOES win the nomination, I won't have to worry about that.

[L0oniX]

75. Enjoy voting for torture.

[moriah]

76. Ahh, yes, because Hillary's name is all over the CIA report.

Keep reaching.

[L0oniX]

80. Keep ignoring her being SOS too while your at it.

[moriah]

81. Yes, such a disqualification for higher office.

Especially under a Democratic president. Waiting for you to scream Bengazi!!! next.

[L0oniX]

82. If you want to vote for people who approve of torture that's on you.

If you don't want to know if they do or not that's on you too.

[moriah]

83. What, you're getting onto Obama now?

Because while he may not be perfect, nor will the person that gets the nomination (whoever that is) be perfect, they're FAR better than the Republican alternatives.

And if you don't get that, why are you on *Democratic* Underground?

Sorry, you did a massive edit.

Where are you getting your information that Hillary supports torturers?

[L0oniX]

85. Did you consult Miss Cleo to find out that I was talking about Obama?

[moriah]

86. As I said, you did a massive edit.

Your post did not have the same subject heading when I started replying to it.

[L0oniX]

87. Oh yea you caught me being sneaky ...jeeze

[11 Bravo]

26. So will Dr. Dean now be regarded as merely persona non grata at DU, or ...

will he descend all the way and become an "unperson"?

[msanthrope]

27. According to this thread, he's incapable of rational thought and "vetting." nt

[Lugano]

39. One man's opinion doesn't make it a thread.

I just happen to think Dean is wrong.

Just don't make it a thread. I love Dean, and just think he's going to change his tune soon.

[Robbins]

28. Takaway from this

The democratic establishment wants a cornation.I guess they want to stop acting like they have to listen to pesky liberals as soon as
possable

Why should i care what any republican thinks? As disabled american they want to cut or take away my ssi,Medicaid,Food stamps,and
housing and energy assistance.Corporate dems in name only like her want to help them.

dems like Hillary think free trade deals,dereguralation,and soft on wall street Is best for economy

Missouri Dems reaction to ferguson has proven just because someone calls themselves democrat doesn't mean we should vote for
them.

Mark my words any dem who dares to challenge the cornation of hillary will be attacked.

Hillary as nominee will prove liberals have no place In Democratic party anymore.

Due to my disgust with MO democratic party if she is nominee 2016 may be first election since i was eliable to vote In 1992 that I
won't be voting In.I can't hold my noise and vote for her.That's almost like voting republican.

[fredamae]

29. Well, Howard-I'm not. My Friends/Family are not

Is this your new idea of "Winning"? hahahahaha You are officially a "corporate democrat", imo...Howard-wake Up.

[whathehell]

35. What has happened to Howard Dean?

Trust me, I'm one of -- or used to be -- his biggest fans, but lately he

seems to be going OFF the Progressive message and going onto the Centrist

one.

Yesterday morning on MJ I absolutely WINCED watching that RW *&% Nicole Wallace

practically call him a "liar" to his face, while he barely managed a peep in response.

(Her remark, while stealing a glance at him was, "I think liberals lie about their

reasons"...This was on the subject of the torture report BEFORE it came out today.

Of course, he was outnumbered with Wallace and Joey Scar brow beating him, but my

question is, if you're not ready to be a kick ass democrat (as he once was) why go

on MJ at all?

I do hope Dean hasn't changed -- He's one of my VERY favorite Dems.

[RiverLover]

38. ...shudder...

Hillary Clinton aligns with Wall Street for 2016

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/2014/q1/hillary-clinton-aligns-with-wall-street-for-2016/

[Robbins]

49. This should be lst strew for liberals

She clearly is to right.

[FLPanhandle]

40. Hillary isn't my first choice, but she would be an effective president

Warren would be better on the issues, but probably less effective getting anything thru congress.

I trust Dean opinion on Hillary more than some of the keyboard purists here.

[MoonRiver]

46. Amen. nuff said

[Derek V]

48. Dean is a Pragmatist

And she'll be our nominee. Whether or not we like it is irrelevant.

[benz380]

52. Maybe Howard's looking for a place on Hillary's cabinet. VP? n/t

[hrmjustin]

53. Good for Howard Dean!

Howard Dean knows a great candidate when he sees one.

[wilsonbooks]

55. Frankly I don't give a damn who Dean endorses.

I will base my support of the candidate on their stands on the

issues. Hillary is a war monger and a corporatist and if Dean is

a supporter then I have no faith in him either.

[Union Scribe]

57. There will be many who will endorse her.

And none of them will make her more palatable to me and many others.

[stevenleser]

61. K&R, I'm Ready for Hillary too! nt

[hrmjustin]

62. I feel heads exploding over this. lol.

I am ready for her as well.

[msanthrope]

66. Wait 'til Warren endorses her. You'll need raingear. nt

[hrmjustin]

67. Lol there will be gnashing of teeth.

[msanthrope]

68. The wailing is my favorite part. nt

[hrmjustin]

69. The moon will turn blood red and the stars will fall. n/t.

[msanthrope]

91. It'll be cats and dogs..living together! nt

[Logical]

122. Wait till she loses! This place will explode. Wait....what? nt

[Logical]

120. What a shock! Nt

[mmonk]

65. Good for him. Guess I'm just a dumbass

who has had enough of politics as usual. I couldn't be less inspired or hopeful

[morningfog]

71. To be honest, Dean's endorsement does carry some weight with me.

I hope this is an indication that Dean will have some role or influence in her campaign or positions.

I am no Clinton fan, but if she is the nominee, I will vote against the repub counterpart. There is still a very long way to go.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

77. I'm Ready for Hiillary!

[wilsonbooks]

78. https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1623210_10152422307390493_7477573291476879

?oh=8bbfaa9ebe27fec61f1a15e0e5715145&oe=5509504C

[MineralMan]

147. You might want to try that again.

You can't post image links in reply titles. Your link won't work, anyhow.

[adirondacker]

79. The Wall Street Beatings Will Continue!

Yay American Politicians! There the Best (Bullshitters on the planet)!

[William769]

84. This is one of the biggest K&R" I have done on DU!

Be careful Mr. Dean, you just made a whole lot of enemies but given your stature just like Hillary's you can handle whatever they throw at you. Of course it will be nothing but lies & garbage as we have seen so far.

Here's to yo Mr. Dean.

[scheming daemons]

88. Has "Third-way Manny" weighed in on this yet?

Howard Dean is one of his heroes. He loathes Hillary Clinton.


The cognitive dissonance might make Third-Way Manny's head explode.

[JDPriestly]

89. Uggh!

For me,. Hillary is an unknown known as one of our former secretaries of defense might have said.

She is well known. But there is a lot about her we really don't know. Because she does not really reveal private self in public to us. We think we know who she is, but we don't.

[Fearless]

90. No thanks. We need a non corporate president.

[Martin Eden]

92. I don't trust Hillary on Foreign Policy

I don't trust and will never vote for (in a Democratic Party) anyone who voted for the Iraq War Resolution in October 2002 that gave GW Bush the green light to invade Iraq.

[Hoppy]

93. Did Uncle Howie just jump the shark? EEEeeeeeeeOOOOOOooooooohhhhh !

[RiverLover]

98. You went there.

LOL

[BlueMTexpat]

95. If Hillary throws her hat into the ring,

I will support her. If she does not win the Democratic nomination, I will support whoever does win it.

Period.

I am now, have always been and always will be a "Deaniac" ... and proud of it as well.

[Android3.14]

97. Ready for Hillary is code for going along to get along

She runs; we lose. It's that simple.

Even if she becomes President, which I cannot see happening, we still lose because of what she is (bought and paid for) and who she actually represents (monied interests).

[zentrum]

99. Two words:

Elizabeth Warren.

Just voted at MoveOn to back her.

[William769]

102. Unfortunately Senator warren will not run and will back Hillary

If Hillary decides to run. Whoever our nominee's are in the primary, I wish them all the best of luck. We have a lot of great candidates.

[hrmjustin]

100. Interesting how Howard Dean was all the rage after this last election and now he is not.

People wanted him back at the dnc so that we can lead us unto a winning stratergy.

Well he has given us a winning strategy and she is called Hillary Clinton!

[William769]

104. ...

[wyldwolf]

153. Dean's 50 State Strategy is backing a Dem who can contend and win in the most states.

[antigop]

112. Yo, Howard....about those million miles as SOS.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

[lumpy]

148. People fail to realize that US jobs depend on whether US businesses succeed.

Encouraging US business with other countries is part of the diplomatic job. Always has been.

[antigop]

149. people fail to acknowledge how disastrous the TPP is. She played a leading part . nt

[Logical]

116. LOL. I love The Onion! They have the best parody! nt

[riversedge]

123. Great last paragraph. But article is Right leaning Politico

....America needs a President who will focus on the next hundred years, not one who hopes to turn the clock back by a hundred years. I am sure I will have disagreements with her as she focuses on getting Americans back to work and rebuilding an America that works for all of us. I value and respect her enough that whatever differences may exist will be minimal compared to the tasks we really need to do for the good of restoring our country. We need a mature, seasoned, thoughtful leader at a time when maturity and thoughtfulness are increasingly rare commodities in Washington, D.C.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/12/howard-dean-ready-for-hillary-113444.html#ixzz3LWaT3VOP

[wyldwolf]

152. So your contention is Dean's words were misquoted by the "Right leaning Politico?"

[msanthrope]

159. You do realize that Dean actually wrote this OpEd? He isn't being quoted. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

166. You'd think that the line "By Howard Dean" towards the top would clue them in.

[msanthrope]

167. No shit...I DELIBERATELY included that to head off the posters who

would claim that he was misquoted, those who would kvetch about the source, and those who just plain refused to believe he wrote it......


And DU has not failed me, has it?


Did you hear that EW is running?

[greatauntoftriplets]

168. It never fails!

Hmmmm. Last I looked, no one had actually announced they were running.

[riversedge]

194. Thanks.

[99Forever]

124. Don't give a damn who Dean or amy other...

... member of "The Big Club" enforces. If my Mother were to rise from the grave and enforce Clinton, I still wouldn't vote for her.

[earthside]

130. It often happens when you get older ...

... I know, I'm in my late 50s now and I feel the internal pressure to resist change, to be more amenable to what appears to be safe, not as inclined to take risks.

It takes real effort and concentration not to slip into being satisfied with the status quo.

I make myself do things that keep my mind agile and open.

So, I'm sure Gov. Dean feels comfortable with the notion of Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee and as President.

It is up to the rest of us to keep demanding and working for a genuinely progressive and populist candidate.

Still in my darker moments I can see it as plain as day: a 2016 presidential contest between Clinton and Bush and/or Romney. Clinton can beat Romney, but I think she is a loser against Jeb.

[polichick]

133. Really Howard? No thanks.

[joeybee12]

136. I'll vote for her, and if I stay on DU long enough, I'll never vote for Warren

should she run...the cannonization of her is ludicrous...she was forced out of the Obama administration...granted, she was on the right side of the battle, but doesn't give me faith that she can take a punch.

[Tatiana]

139. Clearly Hillary is smart and has offered Dean a position in a future Clinton administration. n/t

[LadyHawkAZ]

141. The We Heart Howard Dean purity group throws Dr. Dean under bus in 3...2...1...

Not that we mind. The underside of this here bus has become a bit like Hell: it's warm, the conversation is excellent and all the cool people are down here.

[MineralMan]

144. Under the Bus!

I hear that's the working title of his upcoming book. I could be wrong, though.

I can't imagine that anyone is surprised at this announcement. He's a Democrat, and will support the Democratic candidate for President every time. Apparently, he believes, as do many other Democrats that Hillary Clinton will be that candidate.

I'm a Democrat, too. If Hillary is the nominee following the Democratic Convention, then she'll have my full support, too. I think that's a very likely thing to happen.

Apparently, though, there are many DUers who will not support the Democratic nominee. I find that odd and marginally disturbing. 2016 is going to be an interesting year on this website, it seems.

[Logical]

154. Am I ok with you if I pray that hillary is not the candidate and will do my best to pick someone....

else but if she wins I will vote for her but not be happy about it?

[MineralMan]

157. Does it matter if it's OK with me?

I can't imagine why...

[Logical]

180. You were whining.... "I find that odd and marginally disturbing" so I thought I would.....

check in to make sure I did not disturb you.

Maybe talk to someone about it. Seek help.

[GeorgeGist]

146. MORE.OF.THE.SAME.

INSANITY.

[wyldwolf]

151. Keep digging

[baldguy]

155. And the phony liberals toss Dr Dean under the bus....

What will they do when Sen Warren endorses the Democratic nominee for President who's not Sen Warren?

[ucrdem]

156. Hillary is a different kind of Dem than Obama but still a Dem so K' n' R.

It's going to take a lot of team effort this time around and if we don't get seriously started on the voting problem it's going to be Jeb's year no matter who gets nominated. But if HRC can pull together a bulletproof battleship and keep everybody aboard I'm behind her.

[joshcryer]

158. It's going to be freaking glorious.

[Hekate]

160. Are DU heads exploding in a fine red mist yet?

[msanthrope]

161. I'm ready for the Third Way Manny thread on this. nt

[Hekate]

163. Yeah, he'll want an "adult conversation" on the topic

[msanthrope]

165. I'm always fuckin' adult in my conversations. nt

[Hekate]

170. I know. I guess you missed....

....Manny's OP yesterday asking if he could have an "adult conversation" here -- I can only surmise he felt somehow misunderstood.

[msanthrope]

173. Oh no...I was all over that! All over. nt

[Union Scribe]

190. Nice gossipy callout subthread.

[Hekate]

191. Ya had to be there. Has your head exploded yet? I'm concerned...

[WilliamPitt]

174. Just cracks me up.

Thank you for providing the perfect example.

You offer up Dean supporting Hillary as an attempt to get people to follow his lead...

...making yourself the DU-thread avatar of those who follow people and party instead of policy and principle in an effort to gather support for Hillary...

...aimed directly at those who follow policy and principle instead of people and party.

And you think you've scored a mark.

The people you're trying to embarrass (admit it, it's true) couldn't give any less of a damn about Dean's opinion of Clinton than I do. It's not the person. It's the policies, and the principle.

But good on you for getting so may people to kick your thread.

[msanthrope]

175. Given the length and bitterness of your reply, I did score a mark. nt

[Cha]

185. Oh wow.. the fucking hypocrisy! Howard Dean writes an OP and in some people's minds.. it's

gotta be all about personally attacking you. Dean wrote it but you get put on Ignore.. Dean got you the recs! Rofl

Thanks Dean!

[msanthrope]

188. Exactly..I post an OpEd written by Dean...with two words of commentary....

and it's all about me.

[Cha]

189. that's the way they roll.. "THIRD WAY"! "AUTHORITARIAN"! How dare you use Dean to get RECS.. much

better to use BASHING of Obama.. and then you'd be like their idol.

[William769]

187. At least this was written with substance.

Wish I could say the same about other's.

[Cha]

192. I wish ya could too, William~

[BootinUp]

199. No its not just about "people and party" its about governing or being

able to actually accomplish things in government.

[Cha]

177. Wow, Howard Dean! I'm a little surprised.. but, it's Dean so Rec. :) He's coming out early!

Interesting.. mahalo misanthrope..

[Doctor_J]

186. yippee

more appeasement to the republicans (she already proudly announced that) and corporatism.

[Aerows]

193. I'm ready

for Elizabeth Warren.

[MrMickeysMom]

197. I'm not ready for anything more of the same...

Regardless of my Deaniac ties. I simply don't believe what the POTUS would do to change what has been dirtied by not standing up to the earlier SCOTUS nominations.

So, you have to look to the Senate for that one, and frankly… I see more change there to work towards.

[BootinUp]

200. kick

[Warren DeMontague]

203. I guess we can put to rest any sort of "is she actually running" nonsense, then.

I get that tradition dictates she wait until after NYE to actually say anything.

I respect Dr. Dean.

Still, I will make up my own mind as to who to support in the Primaries. I'd like to hear HRC make some issue-oriented statements, I mean beyond "issues" like "Is the Bible the bestest book ever, or the most importantest too?".

If Hillary wins the nomination I will support her in the General, of course.

[hrmjustin]

204. Kicking this again. Hurray for Hillary!

[fadedrose]

207. 'Bout time you woke up Howard

I've missed you....

[Mushtaq Dean]

208. Congratulation Howard Dean

Mushtaq Dean

Good decision that Howard Dean has made for endorsing Hillary Clinton for President U.S.A. He says we need a mature, seasoned, thoughtful leader at a time when maturity and thoughtfulness are increasingly rare commodities in Washington D.C.

Earlier a great number of distinguished persons have endorsed her for U.S president and have praised her with highly singular titles such as Effective President-Rock Star-Extremely Smart-Spectacular and Transformative- Unrivaled and unparallel- Unbelievably accomplished-Tremendous.

These distinguished people are: President Barrack Obama, Rev Jesse Jackson, Sen.Debbie Stabnow, Sen.John MaCain, Sen.Bernie Sander, Sen.Dianne Feinstein, Sen.Chunk Sihuner, David Bossie, David Petraeus, Babara Bush, Warren Buffett, Condoleeza Rice, Ehud Barak and many more.
Standing in complete agreement with Howard Dean I should reproduce my comments already recorded in Huffington Post:

Middle East burning situation, unsettled affairs in Afghanistan, fluctuating terms of relationship with China-Iran-Russia, Arab Israel dispute, Al queada threat of intrusion that hangs permanently.

To combat the eventualities , a Future leader with valor, experience, recognition with international political community is a requirement that has no room for compromise.

Further, her own gender loves her passionately; middle class follows her to see a better change in their economic conditions, politically conscious people applaud her on taking notice of the current direction the country is going and her determination to bring about a change.

The press report reproduced below substantially supports this statement.

Gallup publishes its results under Clinton’s Top Selling Points in 2016 first female President: “People are overexcited that they would see the first female president in the national history. Others are happy with her being experienced, capable, qualified, and intelligent”