I am noticing a lot of full-blown denial over Obama calling torturers "patriots" on DU.

Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:01 PM

brush (46,883 posts)

1. Please read this and re-consider the misinformation

"A lot of those folks". Not all, and certainly, not the ones who committed torture. Did most of the people in law enforcement and national security commit torture? The answer is clearly no. Many in the CIA objected, protested and left their jobs because of it. These people certainly are patriots. And there were a lot of them."

Does that not say the people who left their jobs are the patriots, but certainly not the ones who committed torture?

316 replies	Author	Time	Post
I am noticing a lot of full-blown denial over Obama calling torturers "patriots" on DU. (Original post)	Odin2005	Dec 2014	OP
Please read this and re-consider the misinformation	brush	Dec 2014	#1
Thanks for proving my point about rationalizing.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#2
Patriot-one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests	Johonny	Dec 2014	#11
Nobody was taking issue with those who didn't participate in torture . . .	markpkessinger	Dec 2014	#34
NAIL MEET HAMMER	helpmetohelpyou	Dec 2014	#40
Amen to that! n/t	Aerows	Dec 2014	#44
That's it right there...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2014	#85
Exactly.	ronnie624	Dec 2014	#277
That stood out for me also.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#88
+1. nt	SammyWinstonJack	Dec 2014	#93
Exactly! Funny how the apologists always forget the "sanctimonious" line.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#159
"A lot" were Obama's exact words.	merrily	Dec 2014	#84
no. it does NOT say that at all.	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#153
thanks brush.. they're the ones who are in Denial.. they seem to have a lot invested in believing	Cha	Dec 2014	#215
I found it profoundly disrespectful to say a bunch of 'folks'	roguevalley	Dec 2014	#281
yup...there is arsing don alright	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#3
You want Obama to prosecute those resposible for torture, right?	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#24
Now now...we can't do that! It might hurt somebodies feelings.	Rex	Dec 2014	#28
It's all about trying to distract by arguing about what Obama really said	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#31
Yeah these last 6 years are a real eye opener. I thought only the GOP did blind loyalty.	Rex	Dec 2014	#33
+1	merrily	Dec 2014	#86
People don't want to give up the idea that Obama is the 2nd Coming of FDR.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#162
I gve up on that idea	Art_from_Ark	Dec 2014	#256
I think some cannot stand FDR and his succesful social policies. The want free trade. No limits.	Rex	Dec 2014	#257
exactly	grasswire	Dec 2014	#55
It is always the same people.	Rex	Dec 2014	#58
You need to be less...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2014	#87
True, I wouldn't want to make anyone mad.	Rex	Dec 2014	#97
...	SammyWinstonJack	Dec 2014	#102
Hah	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#106
They are under a lot of pressure, those folks ... n/t	reorg	Dec 2014	#158
And we all know what they are going to say before we even read the posts.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#167
It's almost like they are professional Bullshitters paid to spew bullshit.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#166
heheh.	grasswire	Dec 2014	#169
Posters like him are proving my point about denial.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#161
Ah, I get it. It's like criticizing the lives and politics of Greenwald and Snowden to distract	merrily	Dec 2014	#230
The full statement changes nothing...	joeybee12	Dec 2014	#101
Obama was asking people not to get "sanctimonious" over torture.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#160
It's worse than that	Oilwellian	Dec 2014	#181
There in lies the dilemma	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#212
And have a direct, verbatim quote. Even saw him saying it. Still can. Video at the link I gave	merrily	Dec 2014	#232
Who you gonna believe...	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#244
Perfect! Night. Rest well and be productive (hopefully enjoyably) tomorrow.	merrily	Dec 2014	#247
B plus S plus lol	LawDeeDah	Dec 2014	#4
Why not provide the complete statement, it appears you are in fact taking this out of context.	Thinkingabout	Dec 2014	#5
Of course they are, the right wing con job of exactly doing that has been copied.....by "liberals",	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#7
Oh look, somobdy proves my point again.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#13
Your "proving my point" meme isn't working.	JaneyVee	Dec 2014	#18
Actually...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2014	#89
Yeah, "proves my point" was disingenuous the first time ..now it's just looking stupid.	Cha	Dec 2014	#216
And you are in favor of Obama holding responsible those responsible for torture, and I right?	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#32
"Fearbola!"	LordGlenconner	Dec 2014	#36
DU loves the right-wing "Democrats are weak" meme.	NYC Liberal	Dec 2014	#39
I know. It's amazing so many on DU fall for it. nt	okaawhatever	Dec 2014	#10
It's the same old crowd	Andy823	Dec 2014	#20
While you debate whether he did or didn't,	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#25
Here again is the complete statement, some in class are not paying attention so here goes:	LawDeeDah	Dec 2014	#49
I have seen this same bullshit over and over the last few days.	TM99	Dec 2014	#72
No. Just No. Go back to class you get an F	LawDeeDah	Dec 2014	#96
Shall we discuss background and credentials then?	TM99	Dec 2014	#98
What is sadder is making shit up to make the President sound like a Cheney or a Rumsfeld.	LawDeeDah	Dec 2014	#105
Only apologists like yourself are saying that Obama is like Cheney or Rumsfeld.	TM99	Dec 2014	#110
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2014	#113
"Obama is actually the worst kind of evil as portrayed in his words"	zappaman	Dec 2014	#118
I am certain I am.	TM99	Dec 2014	#119
Enjoy your stay!	zappaman	Dec 2014	#123
That one really sticks out doesnt it...wow, the hate for that man is amazing	NoJusticeNoPeace	Dec 2014	#131
"Fuck him" LOL	Cha	Dec 2014	#221
Not gonna happen!!	bravenak	Dec 2014	#225
...	Cha	Dec 2014	#226
GD is like a wrestling pit.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#228
I've been on a lot of juries lately too.. there was one good HIDE..	Cha	Dec 2014	#237
Snake pit too.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#241
Guess who got alerted on for "Fuck him", LOL'? This was sent to me by a juror..	Cha	Dec 2014	#270
Gawd!!	bravenak	Dec 2014	#271
REally! the thin skinned alerters have gone batshite..(watch that get alerted on).. I sent in my	Cha	Dec 2014	#273
Yep. Me too.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#274
Yeah, supertrolls don't get a pass from me. but, apparently me quoting another poster is just too	Cha	Dec 2014	#275
Do you support President Obama not pushing for prosecution of the torturers, yes or no?	truebluegreen	Dec 2014	#120
Time is not up. Ask again in a while.	LawDeeDah	Dec 2014	#122
When? Jan 20, 2017?	truebluegreen	Dec 2014	#125
When? Let me check my balls.	LawDeeDah	Dec 2014	#128
Yep. And he's said from the beginning that he's looking forward, not back.	truebluegreen	Dec 2014	#130
The thread is not about the program, but about Pres. Obama's recent comment.	merrily	Dec 2014	#249
Theres a statute for that	treestar	Dec 2014	#262
I think we SHOULD feel sanctimonious. SANCTIMONIOUS? We're talking about war crimes. He says not	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#156
You are just reading into it what you WANT to read into it.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#168
Fine comment, if you want to give me an alternative interpretation of his comments	merrily	Dec 2014	#250
Why you would think the full statement is helpful to this absurd spin is beyond me	TheKentuckian	Dec 2014	#234
No matter what, the context is here. A link to an article with a video is on the thread.	merrily	Dec 2014	#251
The full statement...	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#108
People say 'American's don't torture!!"	bravenak	Dec 2014	#6
You have both feet on the ground.	Puglover	Dec 2014	#35
I get so sick of the word 'Patriot'.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#150
It's used	Puglover	Dec 2014	#187
Thank you!!	bravenak	Dec 2014	#188
Gray GRAY	Puglover	Dec 2014	#189
The Andes?	bravenak	Dec 2014	#191
Well there is a lovely room with separate bath in my home that has your	Puglover	Dec 2014	#194
You are too nice. I hope I make it there someday to take you up on that.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#196
And, apparently, this is the best time	chervilant	Dec 2014	#236
Thank you.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#240
I love the Milky Way	chervilant	Dec 2014	#245
Might take a trip to Girdwood.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#248
bravenak, you always speak thoughtfully.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#63
I agree.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#91
It concerns me...	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#111
I don't think we ever will get justice.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#112
I do not see real justice in my lifetime.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#127
People will say anything nasty online.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#133
Yes...	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#142
The president should have them prosecuted, he would then also be for the drones or something	NoJusticeNoPeace	Dec 2014	#136
We have been doing horrible things to people since the beginning.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#141
If we went by Nuremburg, every Post-WW2 president should have been/should be hanged.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#171
America was built on genocide, slavery, wage slavery, and imperialism.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#170
I learned on my own.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#172
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#174
That's pretty much it. When people say that they're a patriot, I wonder who they killed.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#177
I've never called Jefferson a patriot and never been privy to unqualified praise of him that I have	merrily	Dec 2014	#252
Nothing is wrong with telling the truth, ever.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#255
I don't know much about what life was like in the 1500s (or earlier) in what we now	merrily	Dec 2014	#258
Exactly. I see us as brainwashed.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#260
and yet, as cynical as I think I am, I find I am still naive enough to be	merrily	Dec 2014	#261
It rarely happens to me.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#265
I'll have to try to read even more of your posts to see if I can learn that.	merrily	Dec 2014	#266
I feel bad for being so negative.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#267
Except in unusual circumstances, I find being in reality trumps being in unreality.	merrily	Dec 2014	#268
Go ahead and produce the exact quote if you are so certain.	geek tragedy	Dec 2014	#8
His fingers were crossed when he said it	Capt. Obvious	Dec 2014	#15
They can't	Andy823	Dec 2014	#21
But you think Obama should prosecute those responsible for torture, right?	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#26
LOL!	Rex	Dec 2014	#29
They never will.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#74
I don't get it either.	Rex	Dec 2014	#81
"Yet they act like it is world war III and the enemy is the truth and facts."	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#116
From a psychological POV what is going on with them is quite obvious to me...	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#176
You may be right.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#185
Bingo.	laundry_queen	Dec 2014	#201
Still can't answer?	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#300
I put the exact quote and a link to an article with a video near the beginning of the thread, in my	merrily	Dec 2014	#259
It's sad	marym625	Dec 2014	#9
It's deliberate propaganda. Our equivalent of Orwell's "2+2=5,"	woo me with science	Dec 2014	#12
Excellent Post woo..	2banon	Dec 2014	#22
Thank-you!	polichick	Dec 2014	#27
Amen and well said!	markpkessinger	Dec 2014	#37
Bummer, man, why all the negative vibes?	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#41
Funny.	GeorgeGist	Dec 2014	#293
yep. n/t	Horse with no Name	Dec 2014	#54
just because you can't understand somethin doesn't mean it makes no sense. nt	arely staircase	Dec 2014	#59
By all means, expand on this.	ronnie624	Dec 2014	#298
I never said progressives couldn't understand anything	arely staircase	Dec 2014	#305
Then your post is gibberish.	ronnie624	Dec 2014	#310
Or TPP, or school corporatization, or mandatory for-profit health insurance	Doctor_J	Dec 2014	#68
+1	leftstreet	Dec 2014	#90
You got that right..	SomethingFishy	Dec 2014	#94
+1	liberal_at_heart	Dec 2014	#95
...	SammyWinstonJack	Dec 2014	#107
+1 eom	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#179
^^^this. nt	laundry_queen	Dec 2014	#202
+1--	NewDeal_Dem	Dec 2014	#214
Too true, woo	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#218
Excellent post. n/t	ronnie624	Dec 2014	#299
NOT ALL TORTURERS	Capt. Obvious	Dec 2014	#14
#notalltorturers	Dr. Strange	Dec 2014	#309
And Wall St Criminals were not committing crimes, they were immoral but	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#16
I am noticing a coordinated campaign to distract attention from the torture issue	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#17
Because the only reason why	Aerows	Dec 2014	#47
People who are against torture talk about torture.	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#48
This exactly. nt	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#56
Are you kidding?	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#145
Read the post again	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#175
It was clear the first time.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#183
No	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#190
You became my boss when?	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#195
I get bossed by Vanilla.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#197
snort	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#211
Did I miss something, bravenak?	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#220
No.	bravenak	Dec 2014	#223
Gotcha.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#227
She beat on me until I had to leave the house!	bravenak	Dec 2014	#229
I quit being beat on decades ago.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#243
Goodnight!!	bravenak	Dec 2014	#246
What does that even mean??	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#209
I Have Read This Entire Thread	Long Drive	Dec 2014	#278
Outstanding!	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#279
Thanks I Am Sure We Will Be BFFs	Long Drive	Dec 2014	#280
No doubt.	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#295
My Stay?	Long Drive	Dec 2014	#311
Who is doing that? n/t	Aerows	Dec 2014	#60
How about the guy who posted the thread asking the "Fair and Balanced" poll question	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#62
It isn't exactly outrageous	Aerows	Dec 2014	#66
You haven't prosecuted war crimes either.	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#69
Did Eric Holder	Aerows	Dec 2014	#78
Yah, because Aerows has that power.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#138
It's unreal, isn't it?	laundry_queen	Dec 2014	#204
Unreal is right.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#224
You are becoming a joke...	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#147
Yeah, no kidding.	zappaman	Dec 2014	#64
Precisely unfuckingreal.	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#67
It's the same old crowd	zappaman	Dec 2014	#70
Exactly, TBD.. not wallow in their self made quagmires of twisting the President's words to make	Cha	Dec 2014	#219
And when exactly do you suppose Obama will get around to starting to	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#301
This isn't about Obama! When are you going to get that?!	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#307
Another one who can't answer	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#312
So your take from this thread is "you are trying to distract from the torture issue"	SomethingFishy	Dec 2014	#104
This	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#149
I'm noticing	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#19
+1	LordGlenconner	Dec 2014	#79
Cognitive Dissonance is alive and well here..	2banon	Dec 2014	#23
No matter how many threads like this get launched	BeyondGeography	Dec 2014	#30
They don't want to believe it , it's all they have left with this President	helpmetohelpyou	Dec 2014	#45
Quote?	CakeGrrl	Dec 2014	#38
Wish they'd make up their minds regarding the importance of what he says.	great white snark	Dec 2014	#42
Does Obama think of himself as a patriot? I would say yes	helpmetohelpyou	Dec 2014	#43
The circling of the wagons	Aerows	Dec 2014	#46
I think it pretty clearly can be read either way	fishwax	Dec 2014	#50
Yes ... Obama loves torture.	JoePhilly	Dec 2014	#51
False framing	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#53
Wait, so you are saying that ...	JoePhilly	Dec 2014	#61
Some are projecting the "Obama is a torture fan/Obama loves torture" slant	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#71
So he's against it, but covering for it ... why?	JoePhilly	Dec 2014	#73
You tell me	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#76
I've seen a lot of that on this thread...	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#157
Yeah, mis-frame, discredit...	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#164
"Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels"	The Blue Flower	Dec 2014	#52
why are you so worried about people who don't hate Obama?	arely staircase	Dec 2014	#57
Yep. I also think there's a big dose of plain old, 'can't admit I was wrong'.	Marr	Dec 2014	#65
You could be right.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#99
It's double thinking and cognitive dissonance.	morningfog	Dec 2014	#75
+1000	darkangel218	Dec 2014	#82
And the sad truth is...	Oilwellian	Dec 2014	#200
And the full blown attempt to extract a few words from Obama's statement	Thinkingabout	Dec 2014	#77
As opposed to	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#198
What else did you hear him say at the same time?	Thinkingabout	Dec 2014	#205
DU Rec	Jesus Malverde	Dec 2014	#80
Yeah, there's a lot of people ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#83
He did say it...	joeybee12	Dec 2014	#100
Really?	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#109
In so many words	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#114
I asked for a direct quote.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#117
So who are the patriots he's referring to in his comments?	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#121
<crickets>	truebluegreen	Dec 2014	#124
The very people ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#134
Lol... Who is the "we" in "We tortured some folks"?	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#140
Oh, I see you're going with the Will Pitt version of events ..	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#144
I have, repeatedly	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#146
The statement is VERY clear ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#148
Again	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#154
Hey, just stick with the Will Pitt version ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#163
I'm not borrowing from Will Pitt	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#165
No, you're right.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#178
I don't accuse Obama of being "a torture lover"	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#186
+1	laundry_queen	Dec 2014	#207
:)	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#213
Prosecution is a different topic.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#282
Your argument is ridiculous	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#286
You're right.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#288
Yeah well	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#289
Again you need to ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#290
Astounding opacity	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#291
"Prosecution is a different topic. Why don't you try sticking to the topic at hand?"	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#302
I'm not the one who changed the topic.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#306
About "folks,"	OnyxCollie	Dec 2014	#272
...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#284
I've always been good at entertaining children,	OnyxCollie	Dec 2014	#292
Even if your interpretation of the President's words is correct it is still damning.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#184
"law enforcement and our national security teams"	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#203
Bingo!	truebrit71	Dec 2014	#263
Yes, those were the people he was referring to.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#285
The actual quote, two paragaraphs full confirms it...	joeybee12	Dec 2014	#115
No, he didn't.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#126
Who do you think was doing the torture?	Nevernose	Dec 2014	#139
Dunno.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#173
That's actually the clearest take on that position I've seen yet.	Nevernose	Dec 2014	#192
It's quite simple.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#283
"the man who ended the use of torture once he was POTUS, and has now released the report on torture	Cha	Dec 2014	#233
It's a false concern though, right? No one's criticizing	DirkGently	Dec 2014	#297
Yes, it's a false concern.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#308
I was an English major. You weren't. They would have asked you to switch majors.	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2014	#296
The most torture of all is inflicted	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2014	#129
Yeah.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#137
This Manny...	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#180
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Nance.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#182
You're the one who's dancing on the river Nile..with your "proved my point" crap digging yourself	Cha	Dec 2014	#235
No offence, but ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#287
Imagine for one minute if...	Marrah_G	Dec 2014	#92
Torture should never be accepted	darkangel218	Dec 2014	#103
It seemed clear to me that he was excusing the torturers.	SolutionisSolidarity	Dec 2014	#132
One point: the paragraph break the White House put in is a bit misleading	muriel_volestrangler	Dec 2014	#135
Whoa! I didn't catch this before...	Oilwellian	Dec 2014	#217
Yeah , I started a thread about it , Obama is involved in this also	helpmetohelpyou	Dec 2014	#242
Whether or not he specifically called torturers "patriots" . . .	markpkessinger	Dec 2014	#143
Look at what he's done and don't get hung up on a soundbyte. nt	ucrdem	Dec 2014	#151
kick.	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#152
and a lot of folks on DU are maintaining that Elizabeth Warren is running for President in 2016	still_one	Dec 2014	#155
Show me one.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#193
She is doing a magnificent job as a Senator exposing those democrats not working for the	still_one	Dec 2014	#199
Wonderful	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#206
Every interview I have seen her she has said she is not running for president in 2016, which how the	still_one	Dec 2014	#210
I know that.	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#222
misunderstood your point. Thanks for clarifying it	still_one	Dec 2014	#231
No harm, no foul. (nt)	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#239
Torture is not understandable nor forgivable.	JEB	Dec 2014	#208
"It is a war crime that can be punishable by death."	malokvale77	Dec 2014	#238
You are correct.	Vattel	Dec 2014	#253
^^^This^^^	truebrit71	Dec 2014	#294
This should be an OP.	Jamastiene	Dec 2014	#304
Yep.	cwydro	Dec 2014	#254
kicking	cwydro	Dec 2014	#264
.	MohRokTah	Dec 2014	#269
He doesn't.	elleng	Dec 2014	#276
Okay, we got it, we got it.	brush	Dec 2014	#303
...	SidDithers	Dec 2014	#313
heh	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#314
You're late.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#316
Considering oneself a patriot has covered a multitude of sins...	Orsino	Dec 2014	#315

I am noticing a lot of full-blown denial over Obama calling torturers "patriots" on DU.

1. Please read this and re-consider the misinformation

2. Thanks for proving my point about rationalizing.

11. Patriot-one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests

34. Nobody was taking issue with those who didn't participate in torture . . .

40. NAIL MEET HAMMER

44. Amen to that! n/t

85. That's it right there...

277. Exactly.

88. That stood out for me also.

93. +1. nt

159. Exactly! Funny how the apologists always forget the "sanctimonious" line.

84. "A lot" were Obama's exact words.

153. no. it does NOT say that at all.

215. thanks brush.. they're the ones who are in Denial.. they seem to have a lot invested in believing

281. I found it profoundly disrespectful to say a bunch of 'folks'

3. yup...there is arsing don alright

24. You want Obama to prosecute those resposible for torture, right?

28. Now now...we can't do that! It might hurt somebodies feelings.

31. It's all about trying to distract by arguing about what Obama *really* said

33. Yeah these last 6 years are a real eye opener. I thought only the GOP did blind loyalty.

86. +1

162. People don't want to give up the idea that Obama is the 2nd Coming of FDR.

256. I gve up on that idea

257. I think some cannot stand FDR and his succesful social policies. The want free trade. No limits.

55. exactly

58. It is always the same people.

87. You need to be less...

97. True, I wouldn't want to make anyone mad.

102. ...

106. Hah

158. They are under a lot of pressure, those folks ... n/t

167. And we all know what they are going to say before we even read the posts.

166. It's almost like they are professional Bullshitters paid to spew bullshit.

169. heheh.

161. Posters like him are proving my point about denial.

230. Ah, I get it. It's like criticizing the lives and politics of Greenwald and Snowden to distract

101. The full statement changes nothing...

160. Obama was asking people not to get "sanctimonious" over torture.

181. It's worse than that

212. There in lies the dilemma

232. And have a direct, verbatim quote. Even saw him saying it. Still can. Video at the link I gave

244. Who you gonna believe...

247. Perfect! Night. Rest well and be productive (hopefully enjoyably) tomorrow.

4. B plus S plus lol

5. Why not provide the complete statement, it appears you are in fact taking this out of context.

7. Of course they are, the right wing con job of exactly doing that has been copied.....by "liberals",

13. Oh look, somobdy proves my point again.

18. Your "proving my point" meme isn't working.

89. Actually...

216. Yeah, "proves my point" was disingenuous the first time ..now it's just looking stupid.

32. And you are in favor of Obama holding responsible those responsible for torture, and I right?

36. "Fearbola!"

39. DU loves the right-wing "Democrats are weak" meme.

10. I know. It's amazing so many on DU fall for it. nt

20. It's the same old crowd

25. While you debate whether he did or didn't,

49. Here again is the complete statement, some in class are not paying attention so here goes:

72. I have seen this same bullshit over and over the last few days.

96. No. Just No. Go back to class you get an F

98. Shall we discuss background and credentials then?

105. What is sadder is making shit up to make the President sound like a Cheney or a Rumsfeld.

110. Only apologists like yourself are saying that Obama is like Cheney or Rumsfeld.

118. "Obama is actually the worst kind of evil as portrayed in his words"

119. I am certain I am.

123. Enjoy your stay!

131. That one really sticks out doesnt it...wow, the hate for that man is amazing

221. "Fuck him" LOL

225. Not gonna happen!!

226. ...

228. GD is like a wrestling pit.

237. I've been on a lot of juries lately too.. there was one good HIDE..

241. Snake pit too.

270. Guess who got alerted on for "Fuck him", LOL'? This was sent to me by a juror..

271. Gawd!!

273. REally! the thin skinned alerters have gone batshite..(watch that get alerted on).. I sent in my

274. Yep. Me too.

275. Yeah, supertrolls don't get a pass from me. but, apparently me quoting another poster is just too

120. Do you support President Obama not pushing for prosecution of the torturers, yes or no?

122. Time is not up. Ask again in a while.

31. It's all about trying to distract by arguing about what Obama really said