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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:01 PM

Is Obama A Liberal?

I'm seeing a lot of complaining about the budget deal right now. So here's a simple question, do you consider Obama a liberal? Feel free to explain your answer (or not) if you like.
24 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Yes
0 (0%)
No, he's a moderate
0 (0%)
No, he's a conservative
1 (4%)
No, he's centre-right
17 (71%)
No, he's centre-left
2 (8%)
He's a Communist
0 (0%)
He's a Fascist
0 (0%)
He's a Socialist
0 (0%)
Other
1 (4%)
But why is the rum gone?
3 (13%)
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Reply Is Obama A Liberal? (Original post)
Prophet 451 Dec 2014 OP
Brigid Dec 2014 #1
NOVA_Dem Dec 2014 #2
hifiguy Dec 2014 #5
LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #7
hifiguy Dec 2014 #12
moriah Dec 2014 #23
cyberswede Dec 2014 #3
unblock Dec 2014 #4
TheBlackAdder Dec 2014 #6
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #10
Skittles Dec 2014 #8
Xyzse Dec 2014 #9
whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #11
BillZBubb Dec 2014 #13
polichick Dec 2014 #14
benz380 Dec 2014 #17
polichick Dec 2014 #19
bigwillq Dec 2014 #15
sendero Dec 2014 #16
Wounded Bear Dec 2014 #18
benz380 Dec 2014 #21
Wounded Bear Dec 2014 #22
Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #33
True Blue Door Dec 2014 #20
NM_Birder Dec 2014 #24
bigwillq Dec 2014 #25
grasswire Dec 2014 #26
bigwillq Dec 2014 #27
grasswire Dec 2014 #28
Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2014 #29
Derek V Dec 2014 #30
Lionel Mandrake Dec 2014 #31
LittleBlue Dec 2014 #32
hunter Dec 2014 #34

Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:03 PM

1. Nope

I don't know what he is anymore.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:05 PM

2. He said he considers himself a moderate republican. Check the tape:

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:24 PM

5. He's to the right of Nixon.

 

Though Nixon was ever an opportunist and never an ideologue. But he is definitely to the right of Nixon. Eisenhower, too.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:28 PM

7. Yes, to both of these self-declared descriptions

Yet, I've actually had the pom-pom squad on here tell me Obama was wrong about his own self descriptions!

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:31 PM

12. The truth is what it is.

 

Some choose to queue up for more Kool-Aid. Not this cowboy. Not any more. And I had such high hopes in 2008.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:41 PM

23. You're about as good at misqouting as Fox News, here... n/t

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:05 PM

3. Not at all. nt

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:09 PM

4. depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

i think he might, years from now, in his memoirs, say that he was always a liberal at heart and tried to be as liberal as he thought he could get away with.

however, in practice, he's a pragmatist who stays within the range of what he thinks the prevailing political climate is; as such, he has presided as a center-right president. due to the state of the media and of campaign finance, it's understandable that he might have concluded that he couldn't win or effectively preside as an outright liberal.

of course, one could certainly argue that what's in his heart hardly matters if he tells no one until well after he retires. so, i voted for "center-right".

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:26 PM

6. He's Center-Right, just not as hawkish as Hillary. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:29 PM

10. Exactly, which is why I don't support her either. n/t

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:28 PM

8. honestly, that is a fucking insult

hell NO

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:28 PM

9. He's not. He's much further to the Right than I am.

I considered myself a moderate, but in recent years what I thought was moderate is now considered Far Left Liberal.

Makes me quite a bit concerned about that by the way.

Depending on how I am now categorized, Obama could either be at the center, center right, or conservative.
Actually, strike the conservative part... Obama is not stupid, and I now equate conservative with stupid.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:30 PM

11. He liberally supports the status quo n/t

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:50 PM

13. No doubt right of center.

We've seen examples over and over.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:53 PM

14. Where's "Wall Street tool?"

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Response to polichick (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:04 PM

17. Corporatist?

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Response to benz380 (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:10 PM

19. Yes, that would be the polite version.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:55 PM

15. I consider him to be a moderate (nt)

 

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:58 PM

16. No...

.... he just plays one on TV.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:08 PM

18. You misspelled "center"...



But, yeah, he's pretty much center-right from a historical perspective. He reflects the right-ward movement of American politics in general. Our choices of late have been that, between far right and center right. I've always thought of myself as being pretty centrist, but the center has shoved so far right, they seem comfortable labeling me a screaming liberal. And there's no push back from the media in all this.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:12 PM

21. Isn't "centre" also correct?

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Response to benz380 (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:28 PM

22. If you live in England...

or maybe Canada.

It's un-American, though.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:57 PM

33. In my defence, I'm British

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:11 PM

20. Are YOU a liberal?

I don't buy the results of that poll for one moment. Pure troll-bait.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:44 PM

24. why is the rum "always" gone .....

 

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Response to NM_Birder (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:44 PM

25. Skittles drank it all.

 

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:53 PM

26. I see an ass kicking in your future.... nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:56 PM

27. Skittles is all talk.

 



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Response to bigwillq (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:00 PM

28. ok

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:04 PM

29. I can't believe

9 people think he is...........

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:13 PM

30. Ugh!

 

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:31 PM

31. It's unclear what the word "Liberal" means these days.

Like most people, Obama is left of center on some issues and right of center on other issues.

It's simplistic to suppose that all politicians, or all people, can be placed on a continuum from Left to Right. That's like belief in the Great Chain of Being, a concept which, like belief in diabolical witchcraft, is evident in Shakespeare's MacBeth.

The great chain of being (Latin: scala naturae, literally "ladder/stair-way of nature", is a concept derived from Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, and Proclus; further developed during the Middle Ages, it reached full expression in early modern Neoplatonism.[1] [2] It details a strict, religious hierarchical structure of all matter and life, believed to have been decreed by God. The chain starts from God and progresses downward to angels, demons (fallen/renegade angels), stars, moon, kings, princes, nobles, men, wild animals, domesticated animals, trees, other plants, precious stones, precious metals, and other minerals.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

Just as a single continuum is inadequate to describe the variety of animals, plants, minerals, etc., a single continuum is inadequate to describe the variety of political views.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:33 PM

32. There are still people who think he's a liberal?

 

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:10 PM

34. He's a competent centrist.

"Center" in the USA isn't anything to brag about, since 35 to 40% of our population are mass media driven meme-bots, but competent is much better than meat puppet Reagan/Bush/Bush, or God forbid, McCain and Romney.

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