Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:01 PM
Prophet 451 (9,796 posts)
Is Obama A Liberal?
I'm seeing a lot of complaining about the budget deal right now. So here's a simple question, do you consider Obama a liberal? Feel free to explain your answer (or not) if you like.
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Prophet 451 | Dec 2014 | OP |
Brigid | Dec 2014 | #1 | |
NOVA_Dem | Dec 2014 | #2 | |
hifiguy | Dec 2014 | #5 | |
LondonReign2 | Dec 2014 | #7 | |
hifiguy | Dec 2014 | #12 | |
moriah | Dec 2014 | #23 | |
cyberswede | Dec 2014 | #3 | |
unblock | Dec 2014 | #4 | |
TheBlackAdder | Dec 2014 | #6 | |
CaliforniaPeggy | Dec 2014 | #10 | |
Skittles | Dec 2014 | #8 | |
Xyzse | Dec 2014 | #9 | |
whatchamacallit | Dec 2014 | #11 | |
BillZBubb | Dec 2014 | #13 | |
polichick | Dec 2014 | #14 | |
benz380 | Dec 2014 | #17 | |
polichick | Dec 2014 | #19 | |
bigwillq | Dec 2014 | #15 | |
sendero | Dec 2014 | #16 | |
Wounded Bear | Dec 2014 | #18 | |
benz380 | Dec 2014 | #21 | |
Wounded Bear | Dec 2014 | #22 | |
Prophet 451 | Dec 2014 | #33 | |
True Blue Door | Dec 2014 | #20 | |
NM_Birder | Dec 2014 | #24 | |
bigwillq | Dec 2014 | #25 | |
grasswire | Dec 2014 | #26 | |
bigwillq | Dec 2014 | #27 | |
grasswire | Dec 2014 | #28 | |
Dyedinthewoolliberal | Dec 2014 | #29 | |
Derek V | Dec 2014 | #30 | |
Lionel Mandrake | Dec 2014 | #31 | |
LittleBlue | Dec 2014 | #32 | |
hunter | Dec 2014 | #34 |
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:03 PM
Brigid (17,621 posts)
1. Nope
I don't know what he is anymore.
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:05 PM
NOVA_Dem (620 posts)
2. He said he considers himself a moderate republican. Check the tape:
Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #2)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:24 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
5. He's to the right of Nixon.
Though Nixon was ever an opportunist and never an ideologue. But he is definitely to the right of Nixon. Eisenhower, too.
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #5)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:28 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
7. Yes, to both of these self-declared descriptions
Yet, I've actually had the pom-pom squad on here tell me Obama was wrong about his own self descriptions!
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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #7)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:31 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
12. The truth is what it is.
Some choose to queue up for more Kool-Aid. Not this cowboy. Not any more. And I had such high hopes in 2008.
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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #2)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:41 PM
moriah (8,311 posts)
23. You're about as good at misqouting as Fox News, here... n/t
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:05 PM
cyberswede (26,117 posts)
3. Not at all. nt
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:09 PM
unblock (51,187 posts)
4. depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
i think he might, years from now, in his memoirs, say that he was always a liberal at heart and tried to be as liberal as he thought he could get away with.
however, in practice, he's a pragmatist who stays within the range of what he thinks the prevailing political climate is; as such, he has presided as a center-right president. due to the state of the media and of campaign finance, it's understandable that he might have concluded that he couldn't win or effectively preside as an outright liberal. of course, one could certainly argue that what's in his heart hardly matters if he tells no one until well after he retires. so, i voted for "center-right". |
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:26 PM
TheBlackAdder (25,717 posts)
6. He's Center-Right, just not as hawkish as Hillary. nt
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #6)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:29 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (144,483 posts)
10. Exactly, which is why I don't support her either. n/t
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:28 PM
Skittles (147,690 posts)
8. honestly, that is a fucking insult
hell NO
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:28 PM
Xyzse (8,217 posts)
9. He's not. He's much further to the Right than I am.
I considered myself a moderate, but in recent years what I thought was moderate is now considered Far Left Liberal.
Makes me quite a bit concerned about that by the way. Depending on how I am now categorized, Obama could either be at the center, center right, or conservative. Actually, strike the conservative part... Obama is not stupid, and I now equate conservative with stupid. |
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:30 PM
whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)
11. He liberally supports the status quo n/t
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:50 PM
BillZBubb (10,650 posts)
13. No doubt right of center.
We've seen examples over and over.
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:53 PM
polichick (37,151 posts)
14. Where's "Wall Street tool?"
Response to benz380 (Reply #17)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:10 PM
polichick (37,151 posts)
19. Yes, that would be the polite version.
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:55 PM
bigwillq (72,790 posts)
15. I consider him to be a moderate (nt)
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:58 PM
sendero (28,552 posts)
16. No...
.... he just plays one on TV.
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:08 PM
Wounded Bear (54,826 posts)
18. You misspelled "center"...
![]() But, yeah, he's pretty much center-right from a historical perspective. He reflects the right-ward movement of American politics in general. Our choices of late have been that, between far right and center right. I've always thought of myself as being pretty centrist, but the center has shoved so far right, they seem comfortable labeling me a screaming liberal. And there's no push back from the media in all this. ![]() |
Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #18)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:12 PM
benz380 (534 posts)
21. Isn't "centre" also correct?
Response to benz380 (Reply #21)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:28 PM
Wounded Bear (54,826 posts)
22. If you live in England...
or maybe Canada.
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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #22)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:57 PM
Prophet 451 (9,796 posts)
33. In my defence, I'm British
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:11 PM
True Blue Door (2,969 posts)
20. Are YOU a liberal?
I don't buy the results of that poll for one moment. Pure troll-bait.
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:44 PM
NM_Birder (1,591 posts)
24. why is the rum "always" gone .....
Response to NM_Birder (Reply #24)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:44 PM
bigwillq (72,790 posts)
25. Skittles drank it all.
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Response to bigwillq (Reply #25)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:53 PM
grasswire (50,130 posts)
26. I see an ass kicking in your future.... nt
Response to grasswire (Reply #26)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:56 PM
bigwillq (72,790 posts)
27. Skittles is all talk.
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:04 PM
Dyedinthewoolliberal (14,355 posts)
29. I can't believe
9 people think he is...........
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:31 PM
Lionel Mandrake (4,064 posts)
31. It's unclear what the word "Liberal" means these days.
Like most people, Obama is left of center on some issues and right of center on other issues.
It's simplistic to suppose that all politicians, or all people, can be placed on a continuum from Left to Right. That's like belief in the Great Chain of Being, a concept which, like belief in diabolical witchcraft, is evident in Shakespeare's MacBeth. The great chain of being (Latin: scala naturae, literally "ladder/stair-way of nature"
![]() Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being Just as a single continuum is inadequate to describe the variety of animals, plants, minerals, etc., a single continuum is inadequate to describe the variety of political views. |
Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:33 PM
LittleBlue (10,362 posts)
32. There are still people who think he's a liberal?
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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:10 PM
hunter (36,396 posts)
34. He's a competent centrist.
"Center" in the USA isn't anything to brag about, since 35 to 40% of our population are mass media driven meme-bots, but competent is much better than meat puppet Reagan/Bush/Bush, or God forbid, McCain and Romney.
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