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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 09:35 PM Dec 2014

The LEFT needs to realize that TORTURE is OVER

Last edited Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:13 AM - Edit history (1)

Look people, we get it: you don't want people, even foreign people, to participate in certain activities that may make it difficult to drive, operate heavy machinery, breathe, or support a normal cardiac rhythm. Truth be told, while I get that our brave and patriotic Activity Directors have very stressful jobs, even I think they sometimes do go a smidge too far. But unlike you moonbats, I don't get all sanctimonious about it.

In any case, our President has ended some of these "enhanced interrogation" techniques so most of us can relax. Deep breath now, folks! It's all good!

But some on the Left are harshing our buzz: they keep raising the whole "extraordinary rendition" thingy, claiming that it's outsourced torture, the Trans-Torture Partnership if you will. Nothing could be further from the truth. Let me say this in a one-sentence paragraph so it looks like I'm being direct and honest:

The people we kidnap for extraordinary rendition are not tortured. Period.

Yes, back in the old days, when extraordinary rendition was invented by Bill Clinton and Al Gore, there may have been a little rough play. But that's a thing of the past: when our President ended torture by ending some enhanced interrogation techniques, he also made a profound change in the "rules" around extraordinary rendition which ensures that all prisoners are treated humanely and with dignity, from the moment they're snatched off the street and drugged into submission, until the last of their body parts are released by the partner country that agrees to serve as their host.

Now, this is all a little technical for the Lumpenproletariat that frequent DU, so rather than bore your with legalese, I'll demonstrate this critical change in the rules as a pretend conversation between the US and the host country. It could be any participating host country, such as Egypt, Jordan, Afghanistan and Morocco or the others that are proud to work alongside us on the War on Terra!

US: "Hey host country! We grabbed this guy off the street because we suspect he has a lot of Terra! in him. We think he wants to overthrow your government, too. Could you give him food and shelter for a few years?"

Host country: "No problem!"

US: "And while you're at it, can you torture the @#$% out of him?"

Host country: "Hell yeah!"

That was then; this is now:

US: "Hey host country! We grabbed this guy off the street because we suspect he has a lot of Terra! in him. We think he wants to overthrow your government, too. Could you give him food and shelter for a few years?"

Host country: "No problem!"

US: "And could you not torture the @#$% out of him? We won't actually check to see if you're not, because we trust you!"

Host country: "LOL. Sure. "

And there you have it! Unlike the torture-filled extraordinary rendition of yesterday, today's detainee-guest cannot be tortured, thanks to unverifiable assurances from our partners.

"But Manny!", some on the Left protest, "shouldn't we have some way of verifying that the people we snatch off the street aren't being subjected to unspeakable abuse?" LOL! That's why you people don't get paid the big bucks! Insisting on verification would send a signal to these countries that we don't trust them, which could make them angry, and you definitely don't want to get on the bad side of these countries - let's just say that the word vivisection was not in my vocabulary until I started researching these places.

So, in conclusion: it's all the Left's fault.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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The LEFT needs to realize that TORTURE is OVER (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 OP
More over the top "satire," Manny? MineralMan Dec 2014 #1
Do I suck again? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #2
I have no idea, really. MineralMan Dec 2014 #3
Tell you what MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #10
Yeah, well.... Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #19
We all think you are just wonderful and I bet Manny would be the first to agree Autumn Dec 2014 #50
Ok? Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #76
Hit back with more "cops are great people threads" that will show em! Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #44
No you don't suck manny Andy823 Dec 2014 #9
Well you got admit Andy823 Dec 2014 #11
Jealous? SixString Dec 2014 #15
Nope, but thanks for noticing. MineralMan Dec 2014 #46
Some people here fear that admitting to liking Manny will harm their "creds" Autumn Dec 2014 #49
It's funny how they seem to be obsessed... SixString Dec 2014 #51
-I- like Manny..... brooklynite Dec 2014 #71
Looks like the third-way apologists are on duty hueymahl Dec 2014 #18
You do seem to follow Manny around, and post the same thing on every one of his threads...[n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #35
Thank you great old finger wagger. bahrbearian Dec 2014 #45
Manny's and we his little crew don't find recs to be important. Autumn Dec 2014 #47
One of your best, Manny! hedda_foil Dec 2014 #4
I'm just so glad ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #5
already-existing MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #20
Oh, so sorry that you're sick of hearing about it. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #30
It has nothing to do with ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #38
You should run through GD and tell everyone that they need to stop posting OPs. Autumn Dec 2014 #48
noticed that myself marym625 Dec 2014 #66
That was a great OP you posted Autumn Dec 2014 #69
Thank you marym625 Dec 2014 #73
Those that approve of everything the President does 1000% find themselves in a corner re. torture. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #80
Yes! When will people stop bringing up uncomfortable topics?? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #56
The topic has nothing to do with it. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #65
Seems there are two of you here that are here only to mock Manny. Mocking him rhett o rick Dec 2014 #78
Lumpen...man, I haven't heard that term for decades! countryjake Dec 2014 #6
As a Marxist, your use of the term "lumpenproletariat" makes me happy, Manny! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #7
As a Lumpenprole, your use of the word "Marxist" makes *me* happy, Odin! MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #37
Ach, kom mit me, ve haff a DU Lumpenfest! Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #68
You're being a bit sanctimonious about the left. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #8
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #12
One can't question "unverifiable assurances." That's be too sciency for America. nt valerief Dec 2014 #13
It was just "some folks" right Manny? 99Forever Dec 2014 #14
Just like... Oilwellian Dec 2014 #23
Geography matters, too. If you have torture done on a base like Bagram, or on a navy ship at sea, merrily Dec 2014 #32
Manny, how can you live with Third-Way Manny sloshing around in your head? tclambert Dec 2014 #16
You have no idea... MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #17
I get it, while I also get why some others will be having some difficulty getting it too. nt Electric Monk Dec 2014 #21
I don't get it? Why do people keep calling your post satire? A Simple Game Dec 2014 #22
Torture will NEVER be over, as long as... Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #24
Are you unaware that torture by the US did not begin or end with Bush? merrily Dec 2014 #27
Glad to see Third Way Manny weigh in on this issue. zeemike Dec 2014 #25
+1 Damn wadded panty-wearing liberals! merrily Dec 2014 #28
Besides. All doped up, wearing a diaper and a ride on a Lear Jet? What's not to like? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #40
Wow you channeled a few posters here all in one reply! Rex Dec 2014 #54
You cannot really go over the top of what has been posted on this board in all seriousness. merrily Dec 2014 #26
My job gets more difficult by the day MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #29
Forgive me if I roll my eyes at your precious complaints about the difficulty of your job, TWM. merrily Dec 2014 #31
You win. MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #34
! woo me with science Dec 2014 #82
... woo me with science Dec 2014 #33
Cuba!! RobertEarl Dec 2014 #36
Yes, Obama banned torture two days into office. joshcryer Dec 2014 #39
But not rendition grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #42
Obama closed all black sites. Zero extraordinary renditions under Obama. joshcryer Dec 2014 #43
Crickets. zappaman Dec 2014 #53
nailed it, Josh bettyellen Dec 2014 #55
shhhh, it doesn't play well with the bashers. spanone Dec 2014 #67
Six reasons the dark side exists under Obama: grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #79
It all depends on what the word some means. Autumn Dec 2014 #57
He banned torture. joshcryer Dec 2014 #58
He banned "some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report" Autumn Dec 2014 #59
Name "some" that you find torturous. joshcryer Dec 2014 #60
"one of the first things I did was to ban some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques" Autumn Dec 2014 #61
How about what Obama did? joshcryer Dec 2014 #62
I'm gonna stick with what Obama said. Autumn Dec 2014 #75
If you will. ROFanalhydration! grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #41
I get it now… you must be a former trainer/graduate of the School of the Americas aka WHINSEC Agony Dec 2014 #52
Stop being so sanctimonious, says the "Constitutional Scholar" & Peace Prize winner... blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #63
The issue isn't that the Left raises torture. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #64
A good reminder (nt) Babel_17 Dec 2014 #70
By reminder I refer to how we've exported our torture/used others (nt) Babel_17 Dec 2014 #72
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2014 #74
speaking of fucking torture nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #77
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #81
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #83

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
1. More over the top "satire," Manny?
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 09:43 PM
Dec 2014

Too cool. No, really.

Time to bring in the Reccing crew...

ETA: Don't bother, they're here...

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
10. Tell you what
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 10:14 PM
Dec 2014

By way of recompense, I'll write a serious OP on the topic of your choice. Any topic at all, except what I think about every night while staring at the album cover of Parallel Lines.

Deal?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
50. We all think you are just wonderful and I bet Manny would be the first to agree
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:34 AM
Dec 2014

on that.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
44. Hit back with more "cops are great people threads" that will show em!
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:09 AM
Dec 2014

Don't take this lying down!

Andy823

(11,555 posts)
9. No you don't suck manny
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 10:13 PM
Dec 2014

You are really good at what you do. Just keep on stirring! Of course I have noticed your rec counts aren't up there like they used to be, guess you need to stir a bit harder.

SixString

(1,057 posts)
51. It's funny how they seem to be obsessed...
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:44 AM
Dec 2014

... with the number of recs Manny gets.

Some of them even rec their own threads.
Can you believe that?

I've never seen Manny self rec.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
71. -I- like Manny.....
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:56 PM
Dec 2014

Many of us 1%er, Third Way, DLC, Neo-con, corporatists do.....

I just think his judgement on Elizabeth Warren as a candidate gets a littler skewed.

hueymahl

(2,904 posts)
18. Looks like the third-way apologists are on duty
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 11:29 PM
Dec 2014

Sorry you had to pull the Friday night shift.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
35. You do seem to follow Manny around, and post the same thing on every one of his threads...[n/t]
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 02:35 AM
Dec 2014

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
47. Manny's and we his little crew don't find recs to be important.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:49 AM
Dec 2014

We don't worry about silly stuff like that, we leave that up to others, I think we all know who. When a person does, or in Manny's case case writes something really great, accolades naturally follow. Accolades in this case being Skinners rec thingy that gets a few of Manny's non fan crew in a tizzy. Writing is a mad skill and Manny haz it. On the plus side Manny's 3rd way writing is funny as all get out. Of course there are those who say that satire is not cool, others say that those who can't find humor have no humor.

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
5. I'm just so glad ...
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 10:08 PM
Dec 2014

... you posted an OP about torture.

It's been a non-issue here on DU for the past 48 hours. Thank God someone had the courage to raise the topic.

Okay, all right - so there have been a couple of OPs on the subject. But you can't rack up the recs if you merely post a reply in the already existing threads, can you?

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
38. It has nothing to do with ...
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:32 AM
Dec 2014

... being sick of anything.

It has to do with the need to start a new OP, instead of simply discussing the same topic in the existing threads - which are many.

But as I said, you don't get 'recs' that way. And 'recs' are extremely important to some people.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
48. You should run through GD and tell everyone that they need to stop posting OPs.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:56 AM
Dec 2014

On Skinners message board. Where people post things. Where MANY people post things that are current issues and events, Even non-issues.
I gotta tell you though as a former fan of your writing I find your posts in Manny's threads to be the best of any of your writing . They just capture and spotlight the real essence of you.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
66. noticed that myself
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:36 PM
Dec 2014

It's either jealousy or disdain. Either way, why even comment and bring attention to something/someone you don't like? Hmm. Attention to self perhaps?

Autumn

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
69. That was a great OP you posted
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:51 PM
Dec 2014
I don't get it, people I have no respect for I stay out of their threads.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
73. Thank you
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 05:13 PM
Dec 2014

But it just didn't get enough recs for my liking



Seriously, thank you. I appreciate it.

Me too. Don't get following someone you don't like around. Only time I even see some people are on a Manny thread.

Oy!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
80. Those that approve of everything the President does 1000% find themselves in a corner re. torture.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 06:47 PM
Dec 2014

They realize they should find torture abhorrent but the President is soft selling the war crimes of Cheney and the gang. Children were tortured and Pres Obama shrugs it off. You can see the bind they are in. The only option is to lash out at poor, defenseless Manny who hates it sooo much. LOL. They say he does it for the rec's. LOL, he does it for the hate. He seems to love the hate. Manny is one strange bird, but don't tell him I said so.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
78. Seems there are two of you here that are here only to mock Manny. Mocking him
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 06:36 PM
Dec 2014

for getting so many recs. Really? Are you a DU member to discuss issues?

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
6. Lumpen...man, I haven't heard that term for decades!
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 10:09 PM
Dec 2014

Signed,

Proud sanctimonious piece of shit leech of humanity.

(Excellent post, Manny. Thank You!)

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
23. Just like...
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:08 AM
Dec 2014

in Obama's own words, he only ended some of the enhanced interrogation techniques.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. Geography matters, too. If you have torture done on a base like Bagram, or on a navy ship at sea,
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:41 AM
Dec 2014

the rectal hummus smoothie or whatever methods you tell yourself are okay don't count at all. Just like you don't need to count calories if you eat out.

tclambert

(11,193 posts)
16. Manny, how can you live with Third-Way Manny sloshing around in your head?
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 10:41 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe if you stare into a mirror for an hour and then break the mirror, it will cure you.


But don't do it. I love reading the satire, so I would miss Third-Way Manny. Yet I hate the need for his existence. Hang on, I need to go stare into a mirror for awhile.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
21. I get it, while I also get why some others will be having some difficulty getting it too. nt
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 11:56 PM
Dec 2014

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
22. I don't get it? Why do people keep calling your post satire?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:01 AM
Dec 2014

Another good job Manny, keep up the good work.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
24. Torture will NEVER be over, as long as...
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:17 AM
Dec 2014

there is a lying republican left on my TV!

I'd sooner be water boarded than to see Jebro Bush in the White House or on my TV 24/7.

Bush's and friends are all cowardly draft dodging "wimps," who have to strap on the American Armed forces, to feel like the real Boss Man of the world!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
25. Glad to see Third Way Manny weigh in on this issue.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:53 AM
Dec 2014

There have been entirely to many sanctimonious liberals getting their panties in a bunch over a little water in the face....or food up the butt...
Besides it is not really kidnapping, it is free transportation to a hotel where the food and board are free...and they should be happy to take it up the butt.

If the left will just STFU about it they might get their pony.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. +1 Damn wadded panty-wearing liberals!
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:02 AM
Dec 2014

Getting all sanctimonious about the torturers after Prez Obama told them not to!

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
40. Besides. All doped up, wearing a diaper and a ride on a Lear Jet? What's not to like?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:53 AM
Dec 2014

I know a republican senator who pays top dollar for a weekend like that.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
54. Wow you channeled a few posters here all in one reply!
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:15 PM
Dec 2014

Don't forget they ALL hate Obama and every time liberals say something it is only because they hate him. Yup yup.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. You cannot really go over the top of what has been posted on this board in all seriousness.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:57 AM
Dec 2014
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
29. My job gets more difficult by the day
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:17 AM
Dec 2014

The margin between everyday reality and WTF?! has shrunk from a sliver to a highly-negative number.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. Forgive me if I roll my eyes at your precious complaints about the difficulty of your job, TWM.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:37 AM
Dec 2014

Just imagine, though, what it must have taken to write this OP and continue with that crapfest of a thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025935916

Makes your job look like a walk in the paahk.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
36. Cuba!!
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 02:56 AM
Dec 2014

Still. There. Is. Gitmo.

The reality is.... the US, as a country, so far, is not like us. Not even all of DU is.

At this point, the only recourse is a constitutional amendment making it illegal for our government to condone torture anywhere or any place.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
43. Obama closed all black sites. Zero extraordinary renditions under Obama.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 07:57 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2013/01/false-continuity-continued-todays-wapo-on-renditions-under-the-obama-administration/

"Extraordinary rendition" is torture. The "renditions" under Obama were not torture.

This is just more of the black President not getting credit where it is due and under the veil of a rather repulsive TWM post. More attempts to give the Bush administration a pass for the illegal activity it did.
 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
79. Six reasons the dark side exists under Obama:
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 06:39 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/six-reasons-the-dark-side-still-exists-under-obama/


But the worst of what happened under Bush — physical and mental torture — could easily happen again, according to a report released last week by the Constitution Project, a nonpartisan public-interest organization dedicated to the rule of law, on the U.S. government’s approach to terrorism suspects. The report’s task force included Asa Hutchinson, a former U.S. attorney and Bush administration official; James Jones, a former Democratic Congressman from Oklahoma; Talbot D’Alemberte, a former president of the American Bar Association; and William Sessions, former head of the FBI.

The report aims to offer a definitive account of what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo, as well as the numerous covert detention facilities, known as “black sites,” where detainees were held. It noted that since the Obama administration decided not to commission an official study or establish a Truth Commission, the report is likely to be the only record of what happened. You can read it in full here (pdf).

The report said it was “indisputable” that the U.S. engaged in torture approved by President George W. Bush — but also that the Obama administration, by its own actions, has made it possible for such abuses to happen again. Here’s why:

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
57. It all depends on what the word some means.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

"But having said all that, we did some things that were wrong. And that's what that report reflects. And that's the reason why, after I took office, one of the first things I did was to ban some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report." See that word "some"?

(3) I have full confidence in John Brennan. I think he has acknowledged and directly apologized to Senator Feinstein that CIA personnel did not properly handle an investigation as to how certain documents that were not authorized to be released to the Senate staff got somehow into the hands of the Senate staff. And it’s clear from the IG report that some very poor judgment was shown in terms of how that was handled. Keep in mind, though, that John Brennan was the person who called for the IG report, and he’s already stood up a task force to make sure that lessons are learned and mistakes are resolved.

(4) With respect to the larger point of the RDI report itself, even before I came into office I was very clear that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. We did some things that were contrary to our values.

(5) I understand why it happened. I think it’s important when we look back to recall how afraid people were after the Twin Towers fell and the Pentagon had been hit and the plane in Pennsylvania had fallen, and people did not know whether more attacks were imminent, and there was enormous pressure on our law enforcement and our national security teams to try to deal with this. And it’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had. And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots.

(6) But having said all that, we did some things that were wrong. And that's what that report reflects. And that's the reason why, after I took office, one of the first things I did was to ban some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/01/press-conference-president

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
59. He banned "some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report"
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

I suppose he wasn't talking about the interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report on how they tortured people?
I suppose he was talking about different interrogation techniques in a much different report.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
60. Name "some" that you find torturous.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 03:11 PM
Dec 2014
The EO explicitly requires interrogations to fall under Army Field Manual guidelines and the Geneva conventions, two things that Bush threw out the window and which makes him a war criminal.

Effective immediately, an individual in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government, or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States, in any armed conflict, shall not be subjected to any interrogation technique or approach, or any treatment related to interrogation, that is not authorized by and listed in Army Field Manual 2 22.3 (Manual). Interrogation techniques, approaches, and treatments described in the Manual shall be implemented strictly in accord with the principles, processes, conditions, and limitations the Manual prescribes. Where processes required by the Manual, such as a requirement of approval by specified Department of Defense officials, are in-apposite to a department or an agency other than the Department of Defense, such a department or agency shall use processes that are substantially equivalent to the processes the Manual prescribes for the Department of Defense. Nothing in this section shall preclude the Federal Bureau of Investigation, or other Federal law enforcement agencies, from continuing to use authorized, non-coercive techniques of interrogation that are designed to elicit voluntary statements and do not involve the use of force, threats, or promises.


Obama did not commit torture, he banned it.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
61. "one of the first things I did was to ban some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques"
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 03:17 PM
Dec 2014

6) But having said all that, we did some things that were wrong. And that's what that report reflects. And that's the reason why, after I took office, one of the first things I did was to ban some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/01/press-conference-president


And from your link these words josh

" in any armed conflict,"

that's a little bit of a loop hole there. What you gonna believe? What Obama said or what Obama said

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
62. How about what Obama did?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 03:23 PM
Dec 2014

Repeating yourself isn't proving anything here. Obama banned torture. Parsing his words and trying to flip it back on him, over something he did after two days in office, is precious, but it doesn't work with me.

You can read the methods that Obama mandated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_2-22.3_Human_Intelligence_Collector_Operations

At most he was covering himself because the report talks about coercion and such. Which the field manual allows. That's not fucking torture.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
52. I get it now… you must be a former trainer/graduate of the School of the Americas aka WHINSEC
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

it's all OK as long as we just let others take care of the messiness for us, just like we have done for years.

thanks for the National Security Interest nostalgia!

cheers,
Agony

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
64. The issue isn't that the Left raises torture.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 03:56 PM
Dec 2014

It's that we have no plan to achieve accountability for it.

We complain, and whine, and call people names, but actually do politics to achieve justice?

That sounds like work! (hiss!)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
74. K&R
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 06:01 PM
Dec 2014
- It's strange how weird things just seem to go right with each other. Mutt & Jeff, Laurel & Hardy, Rectal-rehydration & Hummus. And so it is with this frame of mine that I therefore dedicate this song to your thread, Manny. Because it's life's deeper questions that really matter in the end.

Lord knows you've answered one here.....

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