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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:59 PM Dec 2014

Remember Alan Grayson's first term, when he spent every day being a liberal firebrand?

We loved him. We just didn't do what was necessary to keep him in his seat - he lost.

He came back, but now he's...how should I put this...quieter.

We don't support the people who support us - at least not in the proportion they support us.

We don't reward fearless liberalism to the extent the other side punishes it.

Change that, and we change everything.

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Remember Alan Grayson's first term, when he spent every day being a liberal firebrand? (Original Post) True Blue Door Dec 2014 OP
Or, maybe he realized that making fiery speeches doesn't accomplish much... brooklynite Dec 2014 #1
Exactly. And that shouldn't be the case. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #2
Question...why do you WANT fiery speeches that accomplish nothing? brooklynite Dec 2014 #3
It doesn't accomplish nothing if it's rewarded. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #4
Being quiet and obeying the party leadership doesn't change anything. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #35
The alternative is to give up. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #36
Eight years - not six, and she left to be SECSTATE. MADem Dec 2014 #51
She voted for the Iraq resolution Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #79
Yeah--all by herself, too!!! MADem Dec 2014 #81
She was great for the banksters...for people who vote Democratic..not so much... Ken Burch Dec 2014 #86
Yeah, that's why Warren signed that letter. 'Cause "she was great for the BANKSTERS!!" MADem Dec 2014 #87
If there were more like-minded congressmen who would not only cheer Grayson on, but also take Cal33 Dec 2014 #69
The ONLY reason why the best Democrats, like Grayson and Kucinich and sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #40
By contrast, keeping it on the down low has made these Democrats extremely effective. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2014 #83
Oh my... I remember your recent OP with about 350 posts. Quantess Dec 2014 #5
Here's some more comedy gold. Full ignore! Buh-bye, troll! True Blue Door Dec 2014 #6
No way will I put you on ignore. Quantess Dec 2014 #65
Never saw a jury say a reply of "stick this where the sun don't shine," "fuck you" and "fuck you" merrily Dec 2014 #55
Now THIS is a post from you I can respect Nevernose Dec 2014 #7
How soon they forget MFrohike Dec 2014 #8
The Syrian intervention that Republicans opposed because Obama's in the White House? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #9
Heh MFrohike Dec 2014 #10
You noticed no difference between his first and second terms? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #11
No MFrohike Dec 2014 #12
He's been relatively quiet in his second term. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #13
Yeesh MFrohike Dec 2014 #14
TBD is a master at making stuff up RobertEarl Dec 2014 #46
They "targeted" him because redistricting made him vulnerable. And he's talked about his shift Recursion Dec 2014 #20
That's how they targeted him. I'm not sure that's why. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #23
They don't care. Seriously. Same reason we didn't bother trying to beat Bachmann Recursion Dec 2014 #26
But that consideration is entirely because of shit the GOP did. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #28
You're vastly, *VASTLY* overestimating his "public stature" Recursion Dec 2014 #30
It's not a question of 'else' so much as priorities. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #33
Missed that interview could you please provide a link. aspirant Dec 2014 #50
Sorry, it was a quote in a profile piece, not an interview, but here it is Recursion Dec 2014 #52
Thanks aspirant Dec 2014 #53
He voted against the bill to provide aid to the Syrian 'Rebels', or terrorists sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #41
He is a principled voter. But he doesn't make noise like before. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #42
Yes, I agree, it is our fault and we have to change that. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #43
Remember, he was willing to be aspirant Dec 2014 #49
LOL! Opposed because he didn't go to Congress, as required by a certain quaint piece of parchment. merrily Dec 2014 #56
Maybe the loss of his seat for a term in the interim had something to do with it? Recursion Dec 2014 #15
I kind of said that in the OP. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #17
No, I'm saying we did have his back, just like we had Dean's in 2004, and we aren't much help Recursion Dec 2014 #18
Hmm. I had thought the ratio was pretty low. Am I remembering wrong? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #19
For most House candidates it's $0 Recursion Dec 2014 #21
True, but his bird-dogging the GOP also brought in a lot of money against him. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #22
Money doesn't buy anybody a 20 point victory Recursion Dec 2014 #24
"Less confrontational tone"...this is basically my point. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #25
None (or very few) of us live in his district Recursion Dec 2014 #27
Normally I'd agree. Normally I'd say it's a candidate's responsibility to appeal to voters. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #32
And then Grayson defeated his Republican opponent. Grayson 2 Republicans 1 in a purple state. merrily Dec 2014 #57
It should have been Grayson 3. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #88
Let's not create false "facts" brooklynite Dec 2014 #31
So, Republicans did Grayson a favor in a purple state? That sounds like as false a fact as any. merrily Dec 2014 #58
No, they did themselves a favor by moving as many Republicans as possible into adjacent districts. brooklynite Dec 2014 #64
Sorry, something is still not ringing true. merrily Dec 2014 #70
Take a look at the Cook, Rothenberg, Sabato or DKos rating for his district...SOLID DEM brooklynite Dec 2014 #71
I believe his district is blue. That is not what I am questioning. merrily Dec 2014 #73
Not just blue...absolutely safe. brooklynite Dec 2014 #74
Careful, you're blowing the OP's reasoning merrily Dec 2014 #75
brooklynite rebuffed the OP in post #1. joshcryer Dec 2014 #89
He hasn't been quiet. He's been speaking out as he always has on issues sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #44
+1 I have to fess up here. merrily Dec 2014 #59
Yes, he is a very smart man. Extremely intelligent. He does enjoy calling out sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #82
I see him as a man who speaks out and shows that he cares about what he is talking about. jwirr Dec 2014 #16
He's not more quiet, fewer are choosing to listen n/t arcane1 Dec 2014 #29
I listen. What I hear is quieter. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #34
That is a very good point. arcane1 Dec 2014 #45
Alan Grayson is now SamKnause Dec 2014 #37
Yes, this is entirely my point. We were deprived of him through our own lack of attention. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #38
+1 merrily Dec 2014 #60
lets not forget DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #39
+1 merrily Dec 2014 #61
maybe he is fine-tuning his righteous anger Skittles Dec 2014 #47
Interesting RobertEarl Dec 2014 #48
really. who is this 'we' he's referring to? KG Dec 2014 #67
He's said plenty in the last couple of years. He also gets good amendments into bills. merrily Dec 2014 #54
He won a different seat quaker bill Dec 2014 #62
^^This^^. nt Zorra Dec 2014 #72
They could have eliminated the district. That's what they did to Kucinich. merrily Dec 2014 #78
Florida is growing quaker bill Dec 2014 #84
I know the gerrymandering was extreme. I hope like anything they don't have the house in 2020. merrily Dec 2014 #85
Yes!! Love it!! nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #63
Alan is a Rep in a district about as far from my own as it gets. I have and do support him Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #66
I still send money now and then...I'm not in his district. PassingFair Dec 2014 #68
In term 1, Al Franken said somewhere (I can't find a link) that he planned to... Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #76
Alan ran in a different district in 2012, a liberal Democratic district, and won, Zorra Dec 2014 #77
Sigh, sometime some of you should just sit back and do nothing but read, post after post, NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #80

brooklynite

(96,623 posts)
1. Or, maybe he realized that making fiery speeches doesn't accomplish much...
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:13 PM
Dec 2014

...it plays well to the base, but it doesn't change any votes in the House.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
35. Being quiet and obeying the party leadership doesn't change anything.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:36 AM
Dec 2014

Polite legislators who say nothing to start with never get anything done, ever. Saying nothing and waiting your turn just means giving up.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
36. The alternative is to give up.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:38 AM
Dec 2014

Real change is never made politely or in quiet meetings over decaf.

Look at HRC...six years in the Senate doing what she was told and no one even remembers she was there.

Decorum is surrender.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. Eight years - not six, and she left to be SECSTATE.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:54 AM
Dec 2014

She was on the SASC and the HELP committees. I think she made quite the impact in her time there.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
81. Yeah--all by herself, too!!!
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 06:24 PM
Dec 2014


The Queen decrees!

Maybe you might want to check again and see what STATE she was representing in the Senate...?
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
86. She was great for the banksters...for people who vote Democratic..not so much...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:57 PM
Dec 2014

If you couldn't hand her a big check, you really didn't matter to her.

Then again, none of the people Bobby Kennedy cared about do, from all I've seen and heard.

I'll back her if she's nominated, but all she'll be is slightly less nasty than whoever THEY put up. That's it. No gains will happen for the people and the 1% will never be defied by her. That's what being a "pro-business Democrat" means.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
87. Yeah, that's why Warren signed that letter. 'Cause "she was great for the BANKSTERS!!"
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:29 PM
Dec 2014


I'll wait and see who she puts up for Treasury and Fed Chair. I think HRC will be a People's POTUS.
 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
69. If there were more like-minded congressmen who would not only cheer Grayson on, but also take
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:48 PM
Dec 2014

active part in being Liberals, then success will be in the offing for Liberals.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. The ONLY reason why the best Democrats, like Grayson and Kucinich and
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:07 AM
Dec 2014

Conyers and the few others who make those speeches, all of what they say, true, can't 'change' anything is because there aren't enough of them We REALIZE that now.

Congress is full of Corporate Tools, millionaires who work for the wealthy.

They will not allow good Democrats like Grayson, 'change anything' because it's going just fine for their Corporate bosses.

So now we have to make sure to get rid of those who do not fight for the people and elect more Graysons and Kuciniches and fill Congress with people who work for the people who elected them, not the people who pay for them.

Thanks for helping to identify the problem many people are realizing.

The OP is right, we have not been supporting these good Democrats the way we should, but that is changing.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
83. By contrast, keeping it on the down low has made these Democrats extremely effective.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 08:40 PM
Dec 2014

And these Democrats are who exactly?

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
5. Oh my... I remember your recent OP with about 350 posts.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:36 PM
Dec 2014

I had some good laughs! Comedy fuckin' gold, as I recall.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. Never saw a jury say a reply of "stick this where the sun don't shine," "fuck you" and "fuck you"
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 07:21 AM
Dec 2014

should stand because it was less much offensive than the OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5936569

Is that the thread you mean, or another crapfest of a torture thread he started a day or so later?

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
7. Now THIS is a post from you I can respect
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:42 PM
Dec 2014

Instead of arguing on other people's threads defending Democrats, you've out your money where your mouth is and are calling on us to change the Democratic Party from within.

I appreciate it.

There used to be a smiley for clapping, but I forgot what it is. So just picture a little smiley face here applauding your efforts.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
8. How soon they forget
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:45 PM
Dec 2014

Who led last year's charge to force a vote on a Syrian war? Oh yeah, it was Alan Grayson.

He's been out of the news this year in large part because of his divorce. Get the facts right before making ridiculous claims.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
9. The Syrian intervention that Republicans opposed because Obama's in the White House?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:54 PM
Dec 2014

Yeah, that was difficult.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
10. Heh
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:00 AM
Dec 2014

No, I mean the one the majority of the American public opposed because they thought it was pointless.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
12. No
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:16 AM
Dec 2014

He's not in the news this year, except for reports relating to his divorce. He was constantly speaking out last year, so I figure he's laying low because he's busy with other things. It's the explanation that actually fits the facts.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
13. He's been relatively quiet in his second term.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:22 AM
Dec 2014

I don't believe it's a coincidence. They targeted him specifically because of how loudly he spoke, and we weren't as committed to supporting him as they were to attacking him. He learned that awful "lesson" loud and clear.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
14. Yeesh
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:30 AM
Dec 2014

Did you pay any attention at all last year? I'm guessing you didn't because you keep claiming he's been quiet throughout his entire second term without being aware, at all, that was he was in the news on a regular basis until the divorce drama started. At some point, you should really either start paying attention and making appropriate comments or stop making comments altogether. This repeated wishful thinking without reference to facts is just stupid.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
46. TBD is a master at making stuff up
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:09 AM
Dec 2014

And pulling things out of thin air and making his bs sound as if it has some import.

Look at the knowledge being given him about Grayson on this thread and yet he CONtinues to blame everyone because Grayson is not some sort of grand hero in TBD's eyes. As if TBD has been a grand supporter himself and the rest of us are failures!

Yeesh, is dead on.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. They "targeted" him because redistricting made him vulnerable. And he's talked about his shift
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:04 AM
Dec 2014

in strategy.

In 2010 the GOP ran a very high-name-recognition state pol who beat Grayson by 20 points, after Grayson called him a "draft-dodger" and "Taliban Dan".

In this term, Grayson has said in an interview that his goal this term was to write amendments that appeal to GOP libertarians.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
26. They don't care. Seriously. Same reason we didn't bother trying to beat Bachmann
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:12 AM
Dec 2014

They literally do not care what he says except to the extent that it alienates his voters, and Grayson didn't seem to do that until his attack ads against Webster misfired. If anything, the national parties love the Graysons and Bachmanns of the other side because fundraising goes up every time they open their mouths.

Webster was identified as one of the "young guns", which were the Republicans poised to beat Democrats in purple districts. In that sense it was about a mismatch between Grayson and his district, but we only amplified that.

According to Grayson himself, he's decided his confrontational style from the first term just isn't the direction he wants to go. Not sure you need to look much further than that.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
28. But that consideration is entirely because of shit the GOP did.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:15 AM
Dec 2014

The GOP gerrymandered his district; the GOP propagandized his firebrand rhetoric against him, and we didn't respond effectively; the GOP most certainly made defeating him a priority because of his public stature. He chose to change tactics only because being a liberal firebrand didn't work. We need to make it work.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
30. You're vastly, *VASTLY* overestimating his "public stature"
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:17 AM
Dec 2014

His name recognition nationally peaked at about 6%. He fired up a few Democratic activists and pissed off a few Republican activists, and mostly just wasn't a good fit for his new district.

and we didn't respond effectively

This is the step I'm missing. What else should "we" have done, in your argument?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
33. It's not a question of 'else' so much as priorities.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:26 AM
Dec 2014

We didn't really have any in 2010. Everything just reverted to the pre-Dean status quo. Grayson was nobody in the Party hierarchy, so he got little structural support despite his popularity with the base. But make no mistake, his rhetoric pissed off the GOP. They know that as meaningless as words are while they're spoken, they can lead to real actions. They made a priority of crushing firebrand liberals. Shutting mouths is something they take perverse pleasure in.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
50. Missed that interview could you please provide a link.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:47 AM
Dec 2014

"amendments that appeal to GOP libertarians" Is this a strategy to split/divide the repub majority?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
41. He voted against the bill to provide aid to the Syrian 'Rebels', or terrorists
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:18 AM
Dec 2014

as many of them are.

He is rated 100% on Civil Liberties, on Immigration and on most Liberal issues he is highly rated.



aspirant

(3,533 posts)
49. Remember, he was willing to be
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:28 AM
Dec 2014

the lone dem on the repub Benghazi farce until Steny Hoyer stuck his nose in.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Maybe the loss of his seat for a term in the interim had something to do with it?
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:43 AM
Dec 2014


As in, "he figured out there are better ways to keep a seat than tweaking the netroots"?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
17. I kind of said that in the OP.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:53 AM
Dec 2014

We didn't have his back, so he learned that it doesn't work to be too concerned about what we think.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. No, I'm saying we did have his back, just like we had Dean's in 2004, and we aren't much help
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:58 AM
Dec 2014

Grayson actually raised a good deal of money nationally.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
22. True, but his bird-dogging the GOP also brought in a lot of money against him.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:07 AM
Dec 2014

Big money, like Wall Street money. It was my understanding that it flooded his own receipts in biblical fashion.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
24. Money doesn't buy anybody a 20 point victory
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:10 AM
Dec 2014

He got gerrymandered and the GOP ran a very strong candidate, and Grayson alienated his district with tone-deaf attack ads against him.

Meanwhile, as I pointed out above, Grayson himself has said his goal this term is to write amendments that appeal to libertarian Republicans, which means he kind of has to have a less confrontational tone.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
25. "Less confrontational tone"...this is basically my point.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:11 AM
Dec 2014

He was loud, and brought down the wrath of hell on his head. Our support was languid by comparison.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. None (or very few) of us live in his district
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:14 AM
Dec 2014

We don't really have "support" to offer other than money, which we did raise for him.

It's not like if we had "tried harder" he could have kept his seat in 2010. Even without the poorly-thought-out ads he was probably sunk.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
32. Normally I'd agree. Normally I'd say it's a candidate's responsibility to appeal to voters.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:21 AM
Dec 2014

But he did appeal to voters - the voters that elected him. But Republicans just pulled the rug out from under him and changed the voters. They specifically targeted him.

brooklynite

(96,623 posts)
31. Let's not create false "facts"
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:20 AM
Dec 2014

Gerrymandering occurred AFTER his 2010 loss (it took effect with the 2012 election, and in fact put him in a SOLID DEMOCRATIC district, which is why he won the seat back.

brooklynite

(96,623 posts)
71. Take a look at the Cook, Rothenberg, Sabato or DKos rating for his district...SOLID DEM
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

The ideas is that you MAXIMIZE the number of Republican districts by removing as many Democrats as possible; those Democrats have to go somewhere, so they strengthen the smaller number of Democratic districts.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
89. brooklynite rebuffed the OP in post #1.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:01 AM
Dec 2014

She noted that perhaps the change of tone was so he could get things done in the House, not so he could get reelected.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. He hasn't been quiet. He's been speaking out as he always has on issues
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:52 AM
Dec 2014

that are important. And losing once didn't affect him in the slightest, he came back and won again and continued to speak out.

And who cares about the Netroots btw? You seem to, but who even heard of them outside of DK?

But the OP is right, ever since Bush left, a whole lot of former cheerleaders for people like Grayson, have suddenly gone quiet, and if they dare to continue to speak out on things like Torture eg, or Bailing out Wall St Crooks, some of the same people who cheered them on back in the Bush days, are likely to attack them now.

But most Democrats appreciate people like Grayson and Kucinich, both smeared by the Third Way, and realize we hundreds more like them.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
59. +1 I have to fess up here.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 07:36 AM
Dec 2014

I did not fully appreciate Grayson. I thought he was all self-serving grandstander, no action and no results. I did appreciate that certain things were being said, but was not sold.

Then, I got that, while he did speak out about many things, he'd also been quietly slipping good amendments into bills--and getting them passed; and I repented.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
82. Yes, he is a very smart man. Extremely intelligent. He does enjoy calling out
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 08:31 PM
Dec 2014

Republicans and catching them in their lies, no one does it better. See his work on the floor of congress with some of the worst of the Republicans, he makes them look like two year olds.

But you are right, he works quietly on things he believes in.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
34. I listen. What I hear is quieter.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:29 AM
Dec 2014

That's not an attack on him. It's a criticism of us for not making the alternative worthwhile for him.

SamKnause

(13,298 posts)
37. Alan Grayson is now
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:41 AM
Dec 2014

the most effective member of the House !!!

If you do not believe me do the research.

The Congressman who's passed more amendments than any of his 434 piers.

I like his forceful personality.

I like how he gets attention by telling the truth.

We do not have enough politicians like him in our camp.

More money was spent to defeat Mr. Grayson in 2010 then on any other candidate.

The Tea Party, The Americans for Prosperity, U.S. Chamber of Congress, and the Koch brothers took him down.

The people with their small donations put him back in.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
38. Yes, this is entirely my point. We were deprived of him through our own lack of attention.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:43 AM
Dec 2014

We only regained him when we realized what we'd lost - and even then, we didn't quite get back what we'd lost.

It's a lesson for us.

DonCoquixote

(13,617 posts)
39. lets not forget
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:00 AM
Dec 2014

one of the main people to publicly kick him about was none other than out beloved Debbie Wasserman Schulz.

Of course, HER job is secure.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
48. Interesting
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:33 AM
Dec 2014

Here you make an unsubstantiated claim: "We don't support the people who support us" as it relates to Grayson.

Then, on another thread you claim: ""I am responsible for my country, exactly to the extent I can change it and no further. If you demand any more than that, you are just trying to deflect responsibility from your own countries."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025958043#post1

You are all over the place with your grand pronouncements and actually saying two different things about the idea of what one can do and is responsible for.

On this thread you blame all of us for Grayson not being whatever it is in your mind you think he ought to be, and on the other you say no one is responsible except for what they can do in their own place. Here you blame DU for a Florida congressman not meeting your desires, and on the other claim that one can't be blamed for something that they are not directly responsible for.

And on another thread you made this interesting comment to me:

"Republicans have made a science of this mind-fuckery."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025956912#post6

I think you have been studying up on that mind-fuckery? Welcome to DU. I think I got your number = 0

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. He's said plenty in the last couple of years. He also gets good amendments into bills.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 07:13 AM
Dec 2014

Under the theory of the Third Wayers, he could never have been elected ONCE in a purple state and certainly could never have been elected AGAIN after showing his true colors during his first term.

quaker bill

(8,227 posts)
62. He won a different seat
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 08:19 AM
Dec 2014

Grayson lost the old seat. He ran a poor campaign for a seat that leans pretty heavy republican in an off year.

Two years later he won a new seat. Due to republican gerrymandering, they took the new seat and slammed every democrat they could find into it. Why? Because doing so drained all the surrounding districts of dem voters. They mapped Grayson into the District

A ham sandwich with a (D) after its name could win that seat, by design. I live here and was mapped out of Grayson's district because many of my neighbors vote (r). The republicans will let any T-party wackaloon run against Grayson, they will not back him/her but for a token amount, because there is no chance an (r) will ever win there.

The one to take on is John Mica. He was not happy with his lines. The right candidate with backing could take that seat.

quaker bill

(8,227 posts)
84. Florida is growing
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 09:32 PM
Dec 2014

so we got more total seats in 2010. Eliminating the seat, or more accurately putting the new one somewhere else, would have put as many as three (R) seats in play.

Team Obama managed to register about 70,000 new (D) voters here in 2008. Orange County went from purple to deep blue. Most of this growth in registered D voters happened down the SR 436 corridor and east. This is now the heart of Grayson's district.

This is not speculation on my part, the republican controlled gerrymandering was so extreme that it is still being litigated. There are regular stories about it in the news.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
66. Alan is a Rep in a district about as far from my own as it gets. I have and do support him
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:25 PM
Dec 2014

with bits of coin and even my direct input. Yes. I do this from a district that has elected Peter DeFazio, a founder of the Progressive Caucus, since 1987. Grayson is one of 69 members of that caucus, the largest Democratic caucus in the House. DeFazio just won with a major margin, as did our Senator Merkley, back to join Ron Wyden for another 6 years. Our election turnout was about 70%.
Grayson got elected. That's the only reward the electorate has to give. Not sure what 'support' you think he's been lacking. I think there are other reasons he has not been as active in the media as he is at other times. It's not for lack of 'reward' or 'support'.
And what of the other 67 House Progressives? What of Bernie Sanders, the only Senate member of the caucus? Are they all being seen less often? No, they are not.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
68. I still send money now and then...I'm not in his district.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:39 PM
Dec 2014

But I feel that THIS is worth every penny I send:



Even if it was the only statement (which is certainly ISN'T) he made.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,838 posts)
76. In term 1, Al Franken said somewhere (I can't find a link) that he planned to...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:14 PM
Dec 2014

...put his head down (as in concentrating) and do his work. To be sure, Al wasn't silent, but his first term wasn't what one might expect from a comedian-turned talkhost-turned author who was trying to pick up where Paul Wellstone left off.

Note that Franken won re-election easily in the midst of a GOP wave.

I think Grayson is reading Al's playbook. Alan is still with us.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
77. Alan ran in a different district in 2012, a liberal Democratic district, and won,
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:14 PM
Dec 2014

by a large margin.

In the previous election, he ran in a much more conservative district, and lost, by a large margin.

Given these circumstances, the premise of your OP becomes a logical fallacy.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
80. Sigh, sometime some of you should just sit back and do nothing but read, post after post,
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:41 PM
Dec 2014

thread after thread, of Democrats arguing with each other.

I dont know how this party can possibly accomplish anything this way.

We pride ourselves in NOT following the party line like all cons do, we pride ourselves in arguing, but there is a time when we need to pull together.

I just listened to Thom Hartmann scold someone for daring to imply that Obama or Hillary isnt WAY WAY better than the alternative, even Thom knows...

Some of us dont have the luxury of waiting for the perfect candidate. Some people face bigotry and racism and institutional interference on a daily basis and dont have the luxury of waiting.

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