I'm starting to believe if Elizabeth Warren runs she is going to win the tea party vote

[helpmetohelpyou]

[Cleita]

1. Could be. The rank and file tea bagger was just fed up with the

status quo, but picked the wrong side due to ignorance. The corporatists seized on this to promote their agenda, but by now even the dumbest bagger has to realize they have been flim-flammed.

[helpmetohelpyou]

3. Yep , her message is going to transcend these imaginary lines voters have

with the GOP or the Democratic party

[woo me with science]

9. Just musing...but I still think corporatists may run Rand Paul

as a "change" candidate on the Republican side against a corporate Democrat to get a Republican in office and win votes across party lines for his stances against the MIC, NSA surveillance, and the police state.

Of course, once he's elected, we'd get only the other part of the Libertarian agenda: gutting of Social Security, the Dept. of Education, and all other public services, extreme deregulation of all corporations, and privatizing the hell out of the country.

But it would

1) Allow corporate Dems to pretend to oppose those policies again and renew the illusion of democracy

and

2) Allow both corporate parties to blame the ensuing devastation of living standards on the American people for having chosen a radical Libertarian-leaning Republican instead of a good opposition Democrat or Bushie Republican.

Which would set them up for one more election cycle proclaiming that we need regular corporate Democrats or Republicans back in...

[truebluegreen]

51. Could be: TPTB are just that cynical.

it seems they already ran the minority community organizer......

[arcane1]

2. Her recent Senate speech was as wide-appealing a speech as I've seen in too long.

If they didn't know who she was, the teabaggers would be sharing that speech all over the internet.

[Politicalboi]

4. No, they still think she cheated

Over her Indian Heritage.

At least that's what my Teabagger brother ALWAYS brings up.

[mmonk]

67. Yep. All Foxbots say the same thing

[salin]

5. they would have to detox from Fox first....

otherwise they will never hear her message just heaps of distortion and fear mongering.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. So you think her social positions are still fairly Republican friendly?

Would she move to the right to woo them? On issues of voting rights, marriage equality, choice? How hawkish would she go?
Because I dig the money issues, but money don't buy me love. I am not David Vitter.

[helpmetohelpyou]

14. I don't think that she has too and if she does then she's not who I think she is.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/10/61-of-young-republicans-favor-same-sex-marriage/

61% of young Republicans favor same-sex marriage


As to pro choice republican women ? there's a lot of them , somewhere close to 40%

[RiverLover]

17. She's been a registered Dem for 19 yrs now. I'd think she leans left. Otherwise she'd be a rethug.

[Thinkingabout]

7. She is in her field of expertise in finance, she stops well short in other issues such as

Security and she knows her experience in the financial field does not make up for the inexperience in security.

[Luminous Animal]

12. What was Obama's experience in security or Bill Clinton's?

[Autumn]

13. Shhh that's a secret. They might tell you.

But don't bet the farm on it. I'm gonna check back later to see if you get an answer.

[Thinkingabout]

20. Bill Clinton was governor for several years, unfortunately Obama did not have much

Experience in security bug once he was briefed he caught on to the seriousness. Warren was given information on ISIS, there have been news events on ISIS and yet Warren still voted NO on the ISIS resolution, this makes me doubt her ability to comprehend the security issues.

[MADem]

61. Governors are Commanders of their state National Guards, too. There is a tiny bit of

awareness that has to percolate through as a consequence. Since Carter, Bush and Clinton were all governors, they had that leadership role to play. Some governors assign senior leaders in their Guard as "addu" military aides for the purposes of gaining better understanding. The senior leaders do their "drill time" briefing the governor on this thing or that.

[helpmetohelpyou]

15. Most who run and win have little

Obama
Bush junior
Clinton
Reagan
Jimmy Carter

These guys had none...



Bush senior had some because he was the director of the CIA

[reddread]

19. why do you say that about Carter?

I think his experiences made him perfect for REAL security issues
we face. Now, maybe the definition of Security is not clear to me?
Nuclear energy and a personal experience with public housing made him
far more suited to Security issues facing most Americans.

is this Security related to boogeymen and terrorists we create?
thats a different skillset and purely performance art.

[Calista241]

57. George W Bush flew F-102 Dagger interceptors.

The f102 was a very fast jet with limited maneuverability. It was designed to take off, go supersonic and intercept Soviet strategic bombers before they reached their target and released their payload. One would think that if there was a job in the service that provided perspective, that would be one of them.

I wouldn't equate military service for a true understanding of security and foreign relations, in either Carter's or Bush's case.

[reddread]

63. that was a NO-SHOW mafia gig, can you truly compare the two?

GW was out running around in Barry Seal's plane, he didnt have time for those obligations.
they did NOT matter.

[HereSince1628]

21. Carter was an officer in nuclear submarine service.

Owing to the structure of that force and the mission of that service specialty, I think he had a real appreciation for national security even if he hadn't been a fleet commander or such.

The only experience more extensive on that list is Reagan/s experience commanding fictional forces on movie sets.

[MADem]

42. Jimmy Carter was a nuclear submarine officer. None, you say?

I think he had "the bubble" (pun intended) far more than most Americans...he had a TS clearance "pre-Walker" and things were less compartmentalized then.

[freshwest]

60. Yeah that one stuck out like a sore thumb, huh. And more character than any of those Pubbies...

How goes it in... Uh, duh...

You said you'd be traveling to some place. Might be a bit cold over on the East Coast...

[reddread]

16. who is your go-to for Security?

[Thinkingabout]

22. Some one who can be given information and respond properly, sweeping the info

Under a rug and voting NO on the ISIS resolution makes me doubt her responding properly. I am disappointed in her vote, I had given her more credit for responding better.

[SidDithers]

27. She actually seems to hold pretty hawkish positions with regard to foreign policy...

She's certainly no peace candidate, as her views on ISIS aptly demonstrate.

Sid

[MADem]

43. All of her brothers served in the military--she is VERY pro-military and I think she'd be under the

bus when some of her supporters realize quite how much.

[KinMd]

70. So being anti-military would be a path to victory?

[MADem]

71. That's not my point. nt

[sabrina 1]

59. And what security experience did George Bush have, Obama, Clinton, Raygun, or

any president for that matter?

According to the two leaders of our Intel Committees we are in MORE danger now than ever before.

Maybe we need someone who isn't willing to go along with our disastrous and dangerous Foreign Policies.

The world now views us as the biggest threat to world peace.

Whenever someone says that, about security I mean, I assume they mean WAR and more WAR.

To make us secure would require someone who wants peace for a change because the more people you kill and torture around the world, the more enemies you have.

[Bandit]

65. I think intelligence trumps experience most of the time..

Neither Bush* or Cheney are very bright but both were pretty darned experienced. At least Cheney was and Bush* had his dad to give experienced advice, and look how that worked out for them..

[WinkyDink]

8. I would hope she'd win everyone's vote.

[reddread]

11. +1

divided. conquered.

she has a mighty strength up her sleeve in my opinion.
a strong mIdwestern woman would certainly cleave some votes
in states that might otherwise go elsewise by a few hairs.
a very strong hand to hold, especially if more change than usual
was needed.

[TheKentuckian]

10. I wouldn't count on that, they are a bunch of right wing astro turfed fuck wits and anti tax loons

that won't be voting for any Democrat.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. If that's the case then Warren should reject their votes

Carried over the finish line by racist tea baggers?

She should reject their votes outright.

Although...Warren was a Republican well into her 40's and she had no problems with the racists in that party.

[Mnpaul]

69. Well into her 40's?

I see a short period in the 90's

STEPHANOPOULOS: 1991 to 1996...

(CROSSTALK)

WARREN: I think it's four.

STEPHANOPOULOS: ... in Pennsylvania, but that's what I read at least.

WARREN: OK.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And I was just wondering, what drew you to the GOP and why did you leave?

WARREN: I was originally an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets.

And I feel like the GOP party just left that. That they moved to a party that said, no, it's not about a level playing field, it's now about a field that has gotten tilted. And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/week-transcript-sec-jeh-johnson-sen-elizabeth-warren/story?id=23471456&singlePage=true

Why do people keep claiming this?

[Orsino]

23. If she drops two syllables from each word in her vocabulary, maybe...

...learns to hunt, and repudiates the Voting Rights Act.

[OilemFirchen]

24. Of course!

A group of selfish, uneducated, middle-aged white men and women, aggregated by Dick Armey's money and a mutual hatred of a black man is a natural constituency for Warren.

Are you just showing off?

[RiverLover]

25. Why are you starting to believe that? nt

[helpmetohelpyou]

28. A lot of the tea party are just regular middle class who are sick of seeing , just as we are

of seeing Washington run by the 1% , corporations and banks

They were against the bank bailouts just like we were.

They are sick of seeing billions spent on foreign aid when our own country struggles .
They are tired of foreign wars and our involvement in the middle east.
They are against the free trade deal just like we are.

I actually believe we have more in common with the tea party than we have differences .


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/09/30/121808/tea-partiers-trade-bad/


Interestingly, the poll also found that opposition to free trade agreements is particularly strong among Americans who define themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement. 61 percent of self-described tea party supporters said they thought free trade has harmed the United States, just four percent less than union members:
We actually have more in common with them than differences .

[RiverLover]

36. Well, what do you know! Thanks for all the info

& widening my world. That would be kind of cool. Power to the People!!!

Just one Q...do they still wear those stupid hats??

[geek tragedy]

55. You are wrong. They are racist, extreme rightwing shitbags

who want poor people to starve and die of preventable diseases, want to give Big Carbon the right to pollute as much as they can, make every woman's uterus state property, etcetera.

[JustAnotherGen]

66. Thank you geek

And they are terribly jealous anyone not exactly like them that has more than them or accomplished more. The person you responded to?

Has a super interesting OP posted this morning.

Obviously feels empathy towards those 'others' but not the ones that supposed vote with him/her.

[SidDithers]

26. Won't happen...

what's more likely is that the fringe-left will cross over to vote for Libertarian Rand Paul.

Sid

[helpmetohelpyou]

29. That would be a big mistake

[SidDithers]

32. It sure would be...nt

Sid

[MFrohike]

34. Is that how it's done in Canada?

Just curious.

[delrem]

40. No.

Canada has Stephen Harper to satisfy folk like that. Nothing "leftish" about it.

[MannyGoldstein]

37. Can't... stop... myself...

[Union Scribe]

38. I thought her supporters here

were the "fringe left"--that's what I keep hearing.

[morningfog]

47. You fundamentally do not understand the American left.

[RiverLover]

50. Thank you. Truly, thank you. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. There is no freaking chance in hell that happens

[Fumesucker]

31. Better mark it down in your calendar, we agree

There is no way the Tea Party is going to vote for Fauxcahontas (their term).

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. one thing I do know is teabaggers....

They aint ever going to votr for any Liberal

[Union Scribe]

39. At least you acknowledge she's liberal

The anti-Warren talking point of the week seems to be that she's still a stealth Republican.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. its not mine....but like EW does I also believe HRC

Is one too..

[RiverLover]

45. I think there -might- be a bit of a difference...

...Warren had criticized Bill and Hillary Clinton and other Democrats who supported a bankruptcy bill that Warren decried as tilted in favor of corporate interests. She lambasted Hillary Clinton by name for voting, as a senator in 2001, for that bill.

“As First Lady, Mrs. Clinton had been persuaded that the bill was bad for families, and she was willing to fight for her beliefs,” Warren wrote in “The Two Income Trap,” the 2003 book she co-wrote with her daughter. “As New York’s newest senator, however, it seems that Hillary Clinton could not afford such a principled position. . . . The bill was essentially the same, but Hillary Rodham Clinton was not.”

However, Warren softened her tone in her latest book. Recounting her meeting with Hillary Clinton in 1998 to discuss the proposed bankruptcy legislation, the then-first lady, according to Warren, said she would fight against “that awful bill.”

As the New Republic first noted, in “A Fighting Chance,” Warren doesn’t make reference to Clinton’s subsequent vote in favor of the bill....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

As you can see, EW says she supports any woman running for office, and "Hillary is Terrific", but in her books, its clear she's not a fan.

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. She also signed the letter.....you conveniently leave that out...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/women-dems-senate-endorse-hillary-clinton-president-article-1.1501771

[Mnpaul]

68. She also said "that she is not there"

you conveniently leave that out

BOB SCHIEFFER: Are you going to endorse Hillary Clinton?

SEN. WARREN: We're not there. This is about the issues on the table right now. We've got to talk about student loans, we've got to talk about minimum wage, we have got to make changes, and we have an election coming up in 2014 where those issues are going to be right on the table. People will have voted and the voters will have a chance to look at how the senate voted.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-may-11-2014-rogers-gates-warren/

[VanillaRhapsody]

72. Of course....because you don't do endorsements generally yet!

man you guys will grasp at straws....YOU take that as an "anti-endorsement"...yet you won't believe her when she says over and over and over "I am not running for President"




She signed the letter from the Ladies of the Senate....

[helpmetohelpyou]

49. What could surprise you is a lot of tea party members are liberal in most of their beliefs

I clicked on their home page or mission statement .

But when tea party members are polled it contradicts their mission statement.

[Jeff Rosenzweig]

62. Well, that certainly could be surprising

were there a grain of truth in it. Here's an example of what your hypothetical (and 100% chimerical) "liberals" have been up to recently:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=963782

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. What would surprise you is.....they are all RACISTS.....

that is what sets them apart....I have YET to meet one that wasn't....how is THAT Liberal?

Go live in Rural South Carolina with them....you would sing a different song!

[razorman]

73. You are right; at least in the general election.

I do not believe that most of the country is aware of the "native American controversy" that hounded Liz during her run for the senate. It did not stop her in Mass. But, I expect that Howie Carr, the Boston talk-radio guy, is the person most anxious for her to run. He will shout about it continuously, if she runs.

[DesMoinesDem]

35. No chance in hell any tea party person would ever vote for her.

They want someone to cut government spending and cut taxes.

[BillZBubb]

44. No chance, zero, nada, nil, ain't gonna happen.

The tea party is really the brown shirt wing of the republican party. They wouldn't vote for a Democrat under any circumstances.

[octoberlib]

46. I don't see it. I just went to Tea Party Central, Free Republic.

They think that Liz Warren is a Marxist and Julian Castro (her potential running mate, according to them) is a La Raza Communist. Ted Cruz is their guy and if Jeb Bush wins the primary, I can see them not voting or voting for the independent.They loathe Jeb Bush.

[helpmetohelpyou]

48. I don't know ? those are the most vocal that

probably post there but they don't speak for everyone.

I gave a few examples where they agree with Democrats all ready in this thread but here's another one.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/20/sharp-divisions-in-gop-base-on-raising-the-minimum-wage/


Tea Party Republicans (32% favor) raising the minimum wage.

That's a 3rd of the party

If Ted Cruz runs against raising the minimum wage , runs on supporting free trade.
He loses close to half the tea party.

They support what Warren says and believes .

[drm604]

53. She'd have to win the primary first.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's much chance of that.

[geek tragedy]

54. Then you know nothing about the tea Party nt

[helpmetohelpyou]

56. I posted links to polls

Someone said in a post they support Ted Cruz who also supports free trade

But when individual members are polled they are against free trade deals .
Many also support gay marriage , legalized marijuana , the right to choose for women

They are not as far off from us as you might think. Also 1/3 support the minimum wage increase.

When you add that all up , how far are they really from us?

A lot of them are strong 2nd amendment supporters but so are a lot of Democrats.

And just one more thing, I don't think they are big fans of a militarized police force either

[Calista241]

58. I think she doesn't want to be President.

She's been pretty adamant about it. Maybe she doesn't want to undergo the scrutiny or have 300 million people analyzing every little thing she's ever done.