How will Democracy Now twist Cuba normalization into something embarrassing?

[ucrdem]

The possibilities are endless but here are a few:

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	Jeremy Schahill will blame Guantanemo on Obama.
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	Glenn Greenwald will interview Noam Chomsky who will blame the cold war on Obama.
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	Noam Chomsky will interview Julian Assange who will blame the bad weather in London on Obama.
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	CitiBank.
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	Third Way corporatist V for Vichy fear of OWS.
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	Amy will be visited by three ghosts in the night and tomorrow morning will rename her show the Obama Hour.
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[SidDithers]

1. All of the above?...nt

Sid

[ucrdem]

2. Oops left that out.

This should be exciting!

[L0oniX]

45. Intentional disruptive shit stirring? Wouldn't be allowed in your precious group would it.

Why don't you people just be honest and tell everyone else that you want them to leave the party ...and DU.

[Ykcutnek]

3. I'm sure it will be something overwhelmingly pretentious and devoid of facts.

They're probably discussing their approach to the story with the Kremlin as we speak.

[ucrdem]

4. Yes there has to be a RT story in the mix.

Wouldn't be Christmas without RT!

[bettydavis]

5. they will do what they always do

have honest informed thoughtful well reasoned discussion and debate. it is the best news program in the country. who are you people?

[ucrdem]

6. Yes, I imagine they will.

And we'll hear it repeated for weeks if not months to follow. Here's my favorite example of Democracy Not in action, wherein Brother Jeremy explains why Obama is worse than Bush, Cheney, Romney, and McCain all in one paragraph. I underlined the 4 names so you won't miss them:

So, you know, I think that because—because it’s a popular Democratic president, I think people have been convinced that things have really radically shifted, and in reality, they haven’t.

And I think a lot of the Bush people stand in awe of what President Obama has been able to do, because they know that they probably wouldn’t have been able to get it done themselves.

So, you know, there are ways in which Obama pushed the Cheney agenda far beyond what a President McCain or a President Romney would have been able to do, because he had his base of supporters.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/24/the_world_is_a_battlefield_jeremy

And so on.

[countryjake]

12. I second what you've said! n/t

[Marr]

21. +1, this crowd seems to despise the left so much.

It really seems like they're only here to cheer for Obama, and that's it.

[ucrdem]

22. Just the dishonest ones. nt

[Marr]

23. You're saying Democracy Now is dishonest? /nt

[ucrdem]

25. Very often, yes. nt

[Marr]

26. Example? /nt

[ucrdem]

27. Sure.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025974530#post6

[Marr]

29. That's an interview, and Scahill's opinion is supportable. Obama expanded the drone program

well beyond what it was under the Bush Administration. Perhaps he's thinking of Obama's insistence that he can order the killing of Americans overseas via drones, but it could be a number of points that went beyond what the Bush Administration actively sold.

Do you have any actual examples of dishonesty on the part of Democracy Now? Should be easy since, as you say, they are dishonest 'very often'.

Before you post more things like that, remember-- just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's dishonest.

[ucrdem]

31. In other words, you're happy to make excuses for anything you want to hear.

Fine, DN is the show for you, but it gets on my nerves and is very often a waste of time. YMMV.

[Marr]

33. In other words, you can't back up your claim that Democracy Now is dishonest.

And claiming an outlet lies is not a matter of 'YMMV". If they do-- especially 'often', then you could prove it.

[ucrdem]

34. In other words, I just did. nt

[DesMoinesDem]

24. It's the BOG. Mindless people that attack anyone who has every criticized Obama.

[L0oniX]

40. Yea just notice that. This one escaped my ignore dungeon ...adding.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

56. If you put them on ignore, their bullshit goes unchallenged.

And while I don't *know* you L0oniX, I've seen you 'round, and you seem like someone who rather enjoys not letting bullshit go unchallenged.

[L0oniX]

58. I also know when what people post is not worth seeing on my screen.

Challenging anyone from the BOG is not worth getting a hide ...and that's usually what happens.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

60. Ah, hides.

Yes, some do have itchy trigger fingers, and our 7-member juries are a crapshoot.

[marmar]

7. Wow. Now Democracy Now is being tossed under the bus?

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. We've reached DAFTcon 5 around here.

[ucrdem]

10. Wait til the talking points go out.

I'm hoping they'll surprise me but they haven't yet.

[G_j]

36. along with Common Dreams, Alternet etc.

DU has always been contentious, but attacks on the REAL media are fairly new.

[L0oniX]

41. Look at where the poster hangs out and you'll understand.

[Doctor_J]

42. DU is one of the internet's top sites for liberal bashing

Yet the BOG continues to be surprised that liberals don't vote

[L0oniX]

48. Top lib bashing site? DI has got to be up there too... but that's because the repukes are there...

...Oh ...no wonder.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

54. Liberals do vote.

It's the Sensible Centrists who aren't exactly running to the polls, unless it's a *sexy* Presidential election. I can only speak for myself, but I imagine no liberal on this board allows a "Democracy Now lies" poster from the BOG to influence their vote in any way, shape, or form.

[dhill926]

63. No shit…

Crazy…

[Enrique]

8. you might want to stick to Morning Joe

Democracy Now might be too hard for you.

[marmar]

9. ^ Salut !

[Starry Messenger]

11. Ding!

[ucrdem]

13. We'll see.

Anticipation mounts.

[Enrique]

15. Joe will say, "now I can go down to Cuba and get hookers"

Mika will say "Oh Joe!"

[adirondacker]

18. Common Dreams (another of your favorite I know) really dug in...

US and Cuba to Restore Diplomatic Relations in Historic Overhaul

Following release of prisoners from both countries, U.S. will establish embassy in Havana
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/12/17/us-and-cuba-restore-diplomatic-relations-historic-overhaul


I wonder if they're planning on making it another offshore tax haven for the rich.

[ucrdem]

30. Good article.

Common Dreams is sometimes a mixed bag but their articles are usually pretty good, at least until the official anti-O meme sets in. Then they're on it like, well, you know.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

16. ...

[L0oniX]

46. ^^^this^^^

[2naSalit]

55. DUzy!!

[Zorra]

57. Perfection.

I wish I could buy you a tasty microbrew right now,

[JHB]

14. I love the smell of axe-grinding in the morning...

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It smells like...ground-axed dust.

[Oilwellian]

17. That made me think of this...

[Comrade Grumpy]

19. What a pile o' crap.

[ucrdem]

20. Okay I heard it today and it was pretty good.

About the worst was some sketchy USAID reporting at the start that left the distinct impression that Obama had a hand in it, or at least, didn't make clear distinctions between this and former admins. That's one of their usual tricks. I'll look at the transcript when it comes out and see if I'm right.

Anyway now Amy is rattling her tin cup again which is probably the most annoying thing about the show come to think of it. Yeah I get it but sheesh it's half the show every time I tune in, at least on KPFK.

[deutsey]

28. You can watch the entire program at http://www.democracynow.org/ with no fundraising

I thought it was a pretty good show, as it often is (although it can certainly have its misses).

The fund-drive at KPFK and KPFA (and I assume other Pacifica stations) is for helping to make up for Pacifica losing funding from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. It may get it back in a few months, but Pacifica stations are struggling to stay afloat in the meantime, apparently.

[ucrdem]

32. Thanks...

Yeah I sometimes read the transcripts, thanks for the link. The show itself annoys the hell out of me so I usually only listen to it in the car. Watching an entire show or even a segment online is typically about as thrilling as dental work.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

59. You need to be thrilled by a news program?

Walter Cronkite behind a desk in black and white must've (or would've) killed you.

[L0oniX]

49. Some gladly pay for cable or sat but then complain about fundraising.

[treestar]

35. LOL

Yep!

[G_j]

37. What news sources do you trust? nt

[KG]

44. FWICS - whitehouse.gov

[L0oniX]

47. LMFAO

[Doctor_J]

38. has freeperville started bashing liberals over this yet?

Or did you beat them to it?

[Puglover]

43. Eggzackly.

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Amazing.

There is a vast difference between an OP that states "DemocracyNow reported on X today and I disagree with their reporting because..." and numerous OP's ridiculing and bashing anything liberal or progressive consistently on this website.

We have posters that do exactly that. I don't get it.

[L0oniX]

39. Looks like Democracy Now is pissing off all the right people.

[Warren Stupidity]

50. media not owned and controlled by the corporate elites say the darndest things.

Hey look over there! An unpunched hippie!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

51. Man, I like Obama and Democracy Now. You know what is crazy, I thought most of us did.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

61. Most of us do.

But there's a handful of all-things-left-suck on this board, and they're quite vocal.

[think]

52. Or perhaps they could be as excited as some of the rest of us are

"Cut Loose the Shackles of the Past": U.S. and Cuba Announce a New Dawn in Diplomatic Relations

~snip~

We welcome you all to Democracy Now! Let’s begin in Havana with Peter Kornbluh. Your response to this historic announcement by President Obama in Washington, D.C., and President Raúl Castro in Havana, Cuba, where you are right now, Peter?

PETER KORNBLUH: Well, I have a one-word response, Amy: finally. Finally, after 55 years, an element of sanity and effectiveness and modernization have arrived to the insane U.S. policy that U.S. presidents have been pursuing towards Cuba for all these years, all these decades.

As you can see from looking at me, the sun is coming up here over Havana Bay. And, you know, I really have a sense, and I think the Cubans that I’ve talked to here in the street have a sense, of a new day, a new dawn, a new beginning, as President Obama himself has said, in U.S.-Cuban relations. And, you know, there really is a sense of excitement here about the future. My taxi driver, who just brought me down to the studio to be with you, said that the taxi chauffeurs are already talking about when they’re going to be able to get a Ford van for taxis, so they can carry more people around. So, you know, expectations are high that a change of relations with the United States is going to lead to development here. He says, "You know, we’ve had a lot of politics, but you can’t eat politics." And then, Cubans are looking at the economy and hoping that really a change in relations with the United States portends a much better development future for Cuba’s economy and for the future of this country.

~Snip~

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/18/cut_loose_the_shackles_of_the

[RiverLover]

53. Can we do a poll on most stupid polls ever? Here's Democracy Now report~

Can Obama Lift the Embargo on Cuba Without Congress in Effort to Normalize U.S.-Cuba Relations?

We look at the details of the new normalized relations between the United States and Cuba, which include an easing of restrictions on banking, investment and travel, and discuss whether President Obama can lift the embargo on Cuba without congressional approval. We speak with Robert Muse, an expert on U.S. laws relating to Cuba and attorney based in Washington, D.C. His recent article published in Americas Quarterly is "U.S. Presidential Action on Cuba: The New Normalization?" We also speak with Michael Ratner about what will happen to the U.S. military prison in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Joining the discussion live from Havana is Peter Kornbluh, director of the Cuba Documentation Project at the National Security Archive at George Washington University.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/18/can_obama_lift_the_embargo_on

[Warren Stupidity]

62. commie hippie bastards!

That Amy Goodman is such a troll.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. After they praise and celebrate the move how will you twist this OP into something not embarrassing?

I'm sure they will be supportive of this and sort of wonder what sort of person you must be to think otherwise. Are you that 'People's View' dude with another username? I'm sick of this sort of shit.

[HappyMe]

65. Oh ffs!

Here I was stupid enough to think that this was just for fun.

[ucrdem]

66. Thanks HappyMe . . .

Yes, it is. So happy hollies to all and try to lighten up eh!

[Starry Messenger]

67. Wow, sadfail