There is only one test of torture: would we want it done to our troops or our citizens?

[yurbud]

You know, like the Golden Rule someone said in the Bible, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Whenever Cheney, Yoo, or the apologist of the day is being interviewed, this is the only question they need to be asked.

If they play the 9/11 card, ask about all the innocent people tortured and sometimes killed.

Not incidentally, they realized a guy they claimed was number three in Al Qaeda and tortured the crap out of, Abu Zubaydah, was INNOCENT and let him go.

[unblock]

1. worse, their treatment of prisoners/hostages is usually the *reason* we think they're evil terrorist

our torture is justified by their torture. seems like a recipe for world peace, right?

[yurbud]

3. their torture is an excuse to kill people and take their shit

sort of like we did with Native Americans and Israel is doing with Palestinians.

[think]

2. That's indeed the big one. America should always strive to stand on the moral high ground /nt

[KingCharlemagne]

4. Or to our police (see link below):

Jon Graham Burge (born December 20, 1947) is a convicted felon and former Chicago Police Department detective and commander who gained notoriety for torturing more than 200 criminal suspects between 1972 and 1991 in order to force confessions. A decorated United States Army veteran, Burge served tours in South Korea and Vietnam and continued as an enlisted United States Army Reserve soldier where he served in the military police. He then returned to the South Side of Chicago and began his career as a police officer. Allegations were made about the methods of Burge and those under his command. Eventually, hundreds of similar reports resulted in a decision by Illinois Governor George Ryan to declare a moratorium on death penalty executions in Illinois in 2000 and to clear the state's death row in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Burge

This douche escaped justice for the torture itself b/c the statute of limitations had already run before his crimes were exposed. He was convicted of perjury but has already been released to a halfway house where he'll be able to get on with his life. Not so easy for many of his 200+ victims. I've also heard and read that Burge was only the principal figure and that other Chicago PD were also implicated in the Chicago police torture scandal.

Question for the copologists: where were all the 'good cops' while Burge's little reign of terror was going oin??????????

[yurbud]

6. no kidding

[bemildred]

5. Yes, that's the right question. nt