My fear for a Clinton (or Warren) presidency

[tabbycat31]

I said this in another thread, but it's worth discussing again.

When President Obama was elected, he (sadly) brought all of the closeted racists out of the woodwork and it possibly sent race relations in this country backwards (see recent events an an example).

Am I wrong to fear that a Clinton (or Warren, or a GOP woman for that matter) presidency would do the same for the misogynists in this country and set gender relations backwards.

FTR most of the younger people aren't that racist. But sexism is alive and well in the younger generations (see college sexual assaults). I've seen a shirt that says "Cool story babe, now go make me a sandwich" for sale at a mall kiosk. Most people shopping at mall kiosks are probably not older people.

Does anyone else share this fear? (FTR I'm posting this as a female).

[brooklynite]

1. No

[still_one]

2. Sorry but sexism and racism were alive and well before Obama was president or

Women entered into politics in this country

[tabbycat31]

3. I'm not doubting that

I just think it's gotten worse.

[ohheckyeah]

12. It's come into the light where

it can be seen and fought. Many people got lulled into believing racism and sexism were better.

[think]

4. That is a real fear. Obama has certainly had to deal with a great deal of hatred, bigotry, & racism

And some of this has taken America backwards rather forwards.

But it is necessary to go through this process so that America can continue to move beyond the racism and & misogyny that exists below the surface.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Ironically, the ones most likely to resort to it are the same ones who adore Sarah Palin.

Not to mention Maggie Thatcher and Ayn Rand.

[True Blue Door]

6. Revealing bigotry does not "make it worse" - quite the contrary.

This President has exorcised more racism demons than most people were prepared to acknowledge even existed.

Those who learn nothing from this President but to double down on their stupidity will simply be exposed and reviled for the degenerates they are.

[rufus dog]

13. Plus 1 bazillion!

As a white male I have to say your post hits it out of the park. It is a painful process, but a process that HAS to occur.

[True Blue Door]

14. Yes, I agree. I'm a white male too.

And the way other white males behave makes me fucking ashamed. It makes me understand that Chris Rock rant about black people vs. _______. In my case, it's white people vs. Republicans.

[HappyMe]

7. No.

There was racism and sexism before Obama got elected.

[PoliticAverse]

8. Nope. n/t

[giftedgirl77]

9. So we should just stick with the old white guys

because any change brings the douche bags out of the woodwork?

[bluestateguy]

10. Or

"I'm not sexist. How dare you say that! I voted for Hillary Clinton"

[RiverLover]

11. Jeez, I hope not. nt

[Journeyman]

15. So we'll elect a white male, like Bill Clinton. They certainly treated him with utmost respect . . .

[PoliticAverse]

17. I think many of the people implying that Obama's treatment by Republicans

is unprecedented were in a coma during the Clinton years. They missed that whole Impeachment thing even.

[Journeyman]

18. Or the treatment of Jimmy Carter . . .

Compare the way the media and Republicans responded to the failed attempt to rescue the Iranian embassy hostages versus the "respectful criticism" of the Beirut barracks disaster during Reagan's term.

Yeah, anytime I hear someone say Obama has endured more intensive and more vicious attacks "than any other President," I like to point them to Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln to show that while what President Obama has endured is despicable, it is neither unprecedented nor particularly notable.

[Matrosov]

16. Hopefully that fear will come true

Bringing the closeted racists out of hiding and having them shine a light on themselves was a very good thing. Now they've been exposed to the world and we can deal with them head on.

Hopefully a female president will do the same with the misogynists.

Remember, the bigots already exist. President Obama did not turn anyone racist, he merely helped highlight the people who were racist already. A President Clinton or Warren would do the same with the women-hating pigs.

[mythology]

19. My fear is this

That if one of them is elected in 2016, without a stunning change in the House, they will be viewed as ineffective. Obama benefited from having both Houses of Congress in his first 2 years.

[RiverLover]

20. What did they do in that time?

Here's an article that shows all the different views on why so little was accomplished then~
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2010/11/04-obama-galston

And Obama's view on why it wasn't a "super-majority" during those 2 years~
http://www.politicususa.com/2012/10/24/obama-debunks-myth-supermajority-congress-years.html