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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:16 PM

OK - so what if it's Hillary in 2016?

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I've followed a number of posts on DU concerning whether Hillary Clinton would be a good Democratic nominee in 2016. To my dismay, I see quite a few people - progressives, like me - who claim to see little difference between Clinton and most of the likely Republican candidates. She's corporatist and doesn't have the best interests of the average person in mind.

This may be true. To borrow from Molly Ivins' comment about Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton is not my kind of Democrat.

I'm not going to try to predict what will happen in 2016. I would like to see Elizabeth Warren run, but she says she isn't. Someone like Bernie Sanders would be awesome. I have no idea who will get the nomination. But let''s assume Hillary Clinton is the nominee. If so, I would hope that all of us calling ourselves progressives would campaign vigorously for her nomination.

To those who think Clinton is no different from a Republican, I have two words: Supreme Court.

By 2020, four of the currently-serving justices will be in their 80's. There's a reasonable chance some or all will have left the court by the end of the next presidential administration. And if that person serves a second term in the White House, she or he will probably deal with additional vacancies.

Bill Clinton, for all of his triangulation and capitulation to Republican policies, gave us Ginsburg and Breyer. Obama, who has also governed more like a Republican than I would like, has given us Sotomayor and Kagan. Compare these with the clowns seated by the Bushes, and you quickly see how much of a difference having a Democrat - even moderate Democrat - in the White House makes.

Why not vote for a third-party candidate, you ask? Why not vote Green, or support an independent run by someone like Sanders? Because that would ensure a Republican victory.

I understand the counterargument - things won't get better unless there's a viable progressive on the ticket. But right now, that's not the world we live in. Our government is currently based on the balance of power of two parties. A parliamentary system, with multiple parties building coalitions, has its benefits - but we don't have one, and we won't for the foreseeable future.

The conservative members of the Supreme Court have done far more damage than any Republican-led house of congress. Declining to vote for a Democrat - even one we would prefer not be on the ticket - will help ensure more Scalias and Alitos on the Supreme Court.

Anyway, that's my opinion, which is worth what you pay for it. I want a progressive president, and we should work our asses off to nominate one. But given a choice between a corporatist who will nominate good supreme court justices and one who will not, I'm going with the former.

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Reply OK - so what if it's Hillary in 2016? (Original post)
cab67 Dec 2014 OP
Nobel_Twaddle_III Dec 2014 #1
Logical Dec 2014 #2
TDale313 Dec 2014 #8
Just for Fun Dec 2014 #17
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #39
Logical Dec 2014 #51
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #74
Logical Dec 2014 #75
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #83
Logical Dec 2014 #84
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #88
99Forever Dec 2014 #3
yallerdawg Dec 2014 #4
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #40
TBF Dec 2014 #5
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #6
cab67 Dec 2014 #13
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #14
TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #16
cab67 Dec 2014 #25
TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #56
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #41
DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #54
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #57
DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #62
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Fearless Dec 2014 #9
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #42
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cab67 Dec 2014 #12
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:17 PM

1. I will vote for the winner of the democratic primary – no matter who it is.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:21 PM

2. I will vote for her but not donate a cent or work 1 minute. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:46 PM

8. Ditto.

Whereas I would work my arse off for Warren or Sanders or a more progressive candidate.

I'm in California, though, so honestly, I probably could vote third party and not be risking too much. If she's in trouble here, she's got way bigger problems than my vote.

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Response to Logical (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:48 PM

17. Same.

 

No effort to push for her. Just a vote.

That's it.

If it was Sanders or Warren, they get my 110% effort to bring them to the position that they want.

Clinton? Meh. She has the dollars from Goldman-$achs. Don't need any more of my money that keeps falling in buying power.

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Response to Logical (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:47 PM

39. of course not....why would a Left Leaning Independent work for a Democratic nominee?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:33 PM

51. Because IMO she is not a Democrat. I will work on local elections. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #51)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:50 PM

74. in your opinion is the operative phrase

 

To Democrats she is...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #74)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:38 PM

75. LOL, I Look forward to the primaries! nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #75)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:17 PM

83. As do I

 

I am voting for the winner.....how about you?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #83)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:14 PM

84. You have memory issues or reading comprehension issues. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #84)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:54 PM

88. No I don't....I just enjoy letting others know WHERE you are coming from with these "opinions"

 

expect me!

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:23 PM

3. Welcome to DU.

That argument has been made here, ad nausium. As it has been, ad nausium for election after election for far too damn long now. The results of that kind of "hold your nose and settle for the less crappy candidate" are all around us. Had more than my fill.

No thanks, but have fun trying to convince progressives to vote, yet again for someone who is far from progressive.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:25 PM

4. It's a big tent and Hillary is in it!

Although I would prefer any other (major Clinton fatigue), I am and will remain a Democrat.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:48 PM

40. why? Is she conjoined with her husband? Are they identical twins? Can she not possibly have

 

differences of opinion with her husband? Could she not possibly be any further Left than he is because they are married?

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:33 PM

5. Man, such concern. nt

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:37 PM

6. "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone,

 

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

Advice I intend to follow in 2016.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:07 PM

13. Although I like the sentiment,

those who cherish this sweet reflection may force the rest of us to deal with the consequences.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:12 PM

14. We always have to deal with consequences good or bad.

 

But, at least I won't have to deal with consequence of an injured nose.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:43 PM

16. That's is on the rest of you. You have been repeatedly warned, you foolhardly

insist on going where people you supposedly need cannot follow while pretending you have the same goals but must insist on forwarding a person substantially antithetical to them.

I said in 2012 my vote was for time to get our shit together, that bid has only further deteriorated from my perspective. No heads have put on straight, they are deeper down the rabbit hole and reduced to the Supreme Court hostage threats. A threat that seems to not even seriously consider reining in the surveillance state, reversing corporate dominance, strengthening and asserting civil liberties, controlling and demilitarizing the police, accountability for positions of authority, equality under the law, or anything really but abortion and as a figleaf, do nothing lip service for civil rights.

That's it! The full range of issues the court deals with is of the most flimsy concern and as such is something I'm forced to see as a hostage threat against abortion and essentially ONLY that, which is being used as the rallying cry to demand surrender in every other area of policy and expectation of those we elect.

Want solidarity? When are certain folks going to start offering any in this dynamic? Everything else is not just flotsam to be sacrificed on the alter of one issue that despite the Catbird seat for focus for a generation or two is slipping because the most impacted part of the population isn't even close to being on the same page and/or priority level about.

I strongly support choice but it isn't the king issue that makes all others pawns to be sacrificed.

We can and must do better than that and no I'm not going to knuckle under to hostage taking.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:10 PM

25. I don't like it, either.

I really, really don't. The two-party system we have, combined with the input of money and a loud right-wing press, is all but guaranteed to make the whole thing tack rightward and give us candidates beholden to those special interests with the most money. But as long as this is the system we have, we have to be realistic.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:53 PM

56. It is which is why I won't play the hostage game, if you care sooo much about the hostage

then stand down or you are the one that got the killed, that's real.

You want to succumb the the regressive forces, give over our futures to corporate dividends and golden parachutes, and gut our rights then no possible rationalization or weak kneed excuses will win me, let the devil take you if you insist on selling your soul and mine to him anyway.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:49 PM

41. I vote for whom my FELLOW Democrats select in a Primary....I SUPPORT their decision...

 

therefore I don't always get my choice...its called Democracy.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:56 PM

54. thats a cute idea

save for the fact the votes needed to KEEP SOME OUT are lost, period. Mnay dead iraqis will cherish the fact that some american got to feel good about themselves .

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #54)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:59 PM

57. So, you're willing to vote for a candidate who voted to kill Iraqi children?

 

Not only voted for it, but vociferously supported it?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:58 PM

62. I will vote AGAINST

the one that says we need to go back to iraq and kill MORE, and sadly that is the only way to keep that person OUT of OFFICE, to get the finger of the trigger. Then one those kids who were not killed get to grow up and live, perhaps america will see that they do not need to kill, but all those dead because people "voted their conscience in 2000" will not have nay more time to grow up and become young men and women, be they in Bagdad, or New orleans.

Live beats dead any day, whatever it takes. THERE is my conscience. As far as those who thought putting people in harm's way was a way to feed their conscience, well, I do not know how they do it, althought the money that Ralph Nader and Jane Hamsher get paid must ensure they buy excellent matresses.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:05 AM

68. HRC voted for the killing. How about her conscience?

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #68)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:09 PM

89. hers is hers mine is mine

and none of the sophistry of some will change the fact that unless the GOP gets their hands off the button, they will kill more people than anyone else. IF ONE life is spared because the GOP do not get their hands on the button or the pen, it is worth more than anythign any keybpoardist here can ever hope to summon.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:56 AM

64. I'm with you. I've had enough.

 

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:37 PM

7. Webb/Udall 2016 n/t

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:48 PM

9. She won't win the primary.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:51 PM

42. why not? She sure is WAAAAY ahead in the polls....with like a 50 point lead over the pack

 

and she beats all Republican comers..

Do you think because you don't like her that the majority of Democrats agree with you? Apparently you aren't looking at polling...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:07 AM

70. You have to be a special kind of candidate

To lose to a black man in this country. Seriously think about it. Between voting for her and voting against racism, this nation actually preferred voting against racism to voting for her. How amazing is that!

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Response to Fearless (Reply #70)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:26 PM

71. not amazing at all....you seem to think this country

 

Is less misogynist than racist....you would be wrong

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #71)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:34 PM

85. I didn't say that.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #85)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:53 PM

87. Yes you did.....

 

or else were you saying something racist or sexist yourself... You can't have that both ways.....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #87)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:06 AM

107. I said that in this country it is telling that a majority of people are willing

To look the other way about hundreds of years of racism instead of voting for Hillary Clinton. That is what I said. You are inferring something I did not say.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #107)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:53 PM

115. that is not all you said....

 

By any stretch....believe me I caught on to you....

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Response to Fearless (Reply #107)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:21 PM

116. you claimed that it was telling that

 

A "white person" like Hillary didnt beat the Black candidate.....because "white racists" didnt vote for her instead of the "black guy" as if misogyny isnt a hurdle for her....and that it says something about her....I think you making that claim says much more about YOU!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #116)

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:45 AM

117. Actually, I know quite well what I said. And I said what I said. You may think otherwise

If you wish, but it doesn't make it true. You can claim that I'm being misogynistic if you want. I really don't care. I wasn't. I know that. I don't care if you do. You're trying to make this into a fight over which bigotry is stronger and you miss the point.

I will repeat one final time...

It was stated that Hillary was the presumptive nominee.

She was also the presumptive nominee prior to 2004.

She LOST in the primary to Barack Obama.

America chose a black man over Hillary Clinton, the establishment, white, well-known, and SAFE choice.

We as a nation defied racism.

We also decided that the black candidate was better than the white southerner in John Edwards or the white northerner in Joe Biden.

Not everything is an attack on women.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:22 PM

101. It's hard to not be "ahead" when you're the only person out there a year and a half before elections

 

This has been explained to you many times.

Basically, you're declaring the winner of the world cup before the season even starts. That's silly.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #101)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:17 AM

103. she hasn't even declared yet....I am not declaring her the winner....THE POLLS ARE!!!!

 

she is still ahead of the entire Democratic field by 47 points!!!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #103)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:20 AM

104. There is no "democratic field"

 

And she had similar numbers in 2006. And lost the primary to the junior senator from Illinois.

Which then caused her supporters to go completely fucking loco. And you know, I don't think her supporters today are any different from her supporters then

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #104)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:21 AM

105. and denial is not a river in Egypt!

 

there is a pack of those that are "considering"....and YOU KNOW THAT!

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:50 PM

10. I think you meant to end with "going with the former" not the latter....

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Response to peacebird (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:05 PM

12. I did - thanks.

It's fixed.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:03 PM

11. She is a Republican

 

and will appoint Republicans to the bench.

However, its moot. Of Hillary gets the nom, we will have a formal republican in office in 2017, not a dem that governs as a Republican.

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Response to obxhead (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:40 PM

30. Now if you said Warren was a republican and if elected we would have another

Republican in 2016 I would agree. In the case of Hillary she has never been a registered Republican and did not change her party registration. In fact if you look at Hillary and Warren on the issues and go to the end of the article you will find Hillary and Warren rated in the same spot.

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Response to obxhead (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:52 PM

43. BULLSHIT...she IS not....and I for one am damn tired of having to prove this to you over and over...

 

What kind of "Republican" has this record:

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12

Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Chief advocate for Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Strongly Favors topic 13
TPP agreement creates more growth and better growth: Favors topic 13
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

OpEd: More aggressive than most Dems on foreign policy: Opposes topic 17
Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Medical marijuana now; wait-and-see on recreational pot: Opposes topic 19
Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:14 AM

67. +10^10^100 nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:17 PM

95. ^+1 nt

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:57 AM

112. Topics 8 and 9 worry me

I could be misreading this (the format makes it unclear to me) but my impression from that is that she's anti-environmental protections and has a very "stricter punishment is everything" view on crime (which i, at best, simplistic and at worst, downright stupid).

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #112)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:49 PM

114. you are expecting "perfection"?

 

8 and 9 may "worry you"....but it still doesnt make her a Republican....or even Republican Lite.....she IS a Progressive no matter what so-called Democrats say

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #114)

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 01:44 PM

119. Well, it depends how you define "progressive"

I'm not saying she's a Republican, lite or otherwise and whether she's a progressive depends on how you define the term, it seems to be a personal judgement more than anything.

Personally, I have three big issues: Climate change, LGBT rights and poverty. Clinton is good on LGBT rights these days but her views on climate change and poverty seem lacking to me. But I welcome correction.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #119)

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 02:26 PM

120. still cherry picking...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #120)

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 07:15 PM

122. This is why I said "welcome correction"

OK, her environment positions are very good. Her poverty positions are much less so and she still defends Bill's outrageous gutting of welfare.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #122)

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 07:35 PM

123. proof please....

 

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Response to obxhead (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:02 PM

49. it was bad enough that Obama put some repukes in place.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #49)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:48 PM

73. do you think FDR did not appoint any Republicans?

 

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:30 PM

15. Then we have the same thing we saw in in 2014.

Depressed turnout because people are tired of the same old same old, while Hillary fans proclaim her glory and announce their devotion. What could depress turnout even farther? If it's Hillary vs Jeb, and the choice is between Dynasty A or Dynasty B, who consider each other to be like family.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:13 PM

78. This is exactly right. Members of DU will turn out, no matter what.

 

However, that's what percent of 1% of the US population? For everyone else, they won't care about the Supreme Court. They may no be bothered to vote if Hillary is going to be merely 'not as bad as Jeb', because - among other things - the GOP will outright LIE about Jeb and promise everyone candy canes and rainbows if it will motivate the poor and ignorant to show up, get mad and vote for Jeb.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:49 PM

18. If she's the nominee I beleive many progressives will simply not show up at the polls

I also believe she's a lightning rod among Republican Clinton haters and will function as motivation for Republican voters.

Barrack Obama beat her in a primary she should have won. Her record has been since that election one of favoring the corporations more than the common guy. I don't think she's going to appeal to labor, progressives, or the young. She may get a tick up in women voting, but I think she'll also lose moderate men.

Right now if warren isn't running and Sanders is deemed too liberal, and Biden is ostracized continually in the press that a sleeper may emerge such as Democratic Governor who can run as an outside the beltway kind of campaign. Maybe a John Lynch. who was a very popular new Hampshire governor or perhaps someone like Howard Dean may enter the race. However, I believe both will acquiesce to Clinton.

Perhaps Wesley Clark may try and run again. He has the credentials, but hasn't caught on. Needs more donors and a solid financial base, but I think he'd be a good candidate.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:54 PM

19. Would you advocate that stance?

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:12 AM

66. Interesting question...

Every election seems to be about the lesser of two evils and we are reminded of the importance of the SCOTUS issue and it is emphasized as the reason to vote to avoid more Scalias being appointed. Certainly a very salient point, but I don't want to vote for someone based out of fear of what the other party will do. Instead, I want to know what the candidate I vote for will do.

I suppose I am concerned about continuing to vote for excessively corporate friendly candidates over and over again while watching the Democratic Party shift further and further to the right (especially in terms of fiscal policies), and with Hilary I am also concerned about her hawkish speeches. It would be great to have a woman president, but I'm not voting on gender but on issues.

I wonder if more pro-corporate Democratic candidates keep getting the nomination and the party keeps moving right - at what point do progressives step back and say "OK, enough, let the Republicans screw it up and we can run on a much more Progressive platform in response to it next time." Many thought they were getting a progressive in Obama, but he's at best a moderate. A nice man, but a moderate. I've watched in my lifetime the Democratic policies move further and further right each election. One gets angry or one gets apathetic. Many in our party are becoming apathetic because they feel their voices are being drowned out by those strong corporate donors.

I can't say I will or will not vote for Hilary Clinton. I won't vote blindly for her just because she claims to be a Democrat. I'll be listening and watching what her and her opponents say and more importantly do in the coming two years. Only then will I decide.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:04 PM

99. Making a 'naughty' list, Santa? nt

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:03 PM

21. I wasn't making predictions.

I don't know who the nominee will be. I don't know who will win the election, regardless of who the nominee is.

I do know, though, that we are all far better off with a Democrat - any Democrat - in the White House. I will not caucus for Clinton if she runs, but if she's the nominee, I'll fight to have her elected. The very thought of what the Supreme Court would look like by 2020 after 4 years of a Republican presidency (or worse, by 2024 after 8 years) is enough to make me choose the hold-your-nose approach.

I have ideals, but I also know when to be pragmatic.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:54 PM

44. Oh well....did they show up in the Midterms?

 

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:02 PM

20. Unless something drastic happens I have alread decided to try for any changes I want through the

primary and caucus system. Once we are voting for the general election then issues like the Supreme Court will rule who I vote for. Nothing has changed since our election regarding the dangers to our democracy and our lives. The Rs still want to hand the country over to the corporations. We have to keep that from happening. We have almost lost already.

By 2016 I am thinking that most voters including those who stayed home in 2014 will have learned a big lesson.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:08 PM

24. Hillary will appoint pro Goldman Sachs judges. No?

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:14 PM

27. I don't think so.

Everything she's said and done indicates her nominees will be similar to those brought forward by B. Clinton and Obama.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:54 PM

45. Yea I'm sure her Goldman Sachs speaking sessions will have no influence. Good luck.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:15 PM

28. I know but so will any R we elect or allow to win by not voting or voting for someone who cannot win

And the Rs will not stop there.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:50 PM

31. Based on what information?

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:54 PM

46. No....my gawd....some days coming to Democratic Underground is like watching Fox News!

 

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:05 PM

22. I support Hillary and will support our nominee.

 

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:07 PM

23. If we don't primary a progressive I'm done with this party. We don't need a corporatist...

 

appointing another pro corporate rat fucking judge. Fuck that.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:52 PM

32. Which other progressive party do you plan on supporting in the future?

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:13 PM

35. Agree!

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:33 PM

36. Yep, me too. I'll just quietly go on, doing my thing to help the environment in my small way along

with being an advocate for the homeless. But I will be done with activism in politics. DONE. And I'll feel very badly for future generations doomed to live in this plutocracy.

But I deeply hope it doesn't come to that. I'll work extremely hard to help nominate a true progressive Democrat in the primary.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:55 PM

47. who is not a Progressive? Hillary is!

 

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12

Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Chief advocate for Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Strongly Favors topic 13
TPP agreement creates more growth and better growth: Favors topic 13
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

OpEd: More aggressive than most Dems on foreign policy: Opposes topic 17
Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Medical marijuana now; wait-and-see on recreational pot: Opposes topic 19
Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:13 PM

26. Are you asking a question? nt

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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:32 PM

29. I may not vote for her in the primaries, but I will vote for whoever the democratic nominee is in

the general election.

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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:01 PM

33. By my own count I have voted in every presidential election since 1964 (13 elections)

Voted Democratic every time.

Nine times I have voted for what I considered the lesser of two evils:

64: Johnson
68: Humphrey
80: Carter
84: Mondale
88: Dukakis
96: Clinton
00: Gore
04: Kerry
12: Obama

Only four times did I vote for a candidate I was enthused about:

72: McGovern
76: Carter
92: Clinton
08: Obama

Why should 2016 be any different? I have bitched and moaned about Hillary Clinton since 2003 at least and to me she represents everything that is wrong about today's Democratic party. But once again, if she is the candidate, I'll probably fall in line and vote for her. At least then I'll have earned the right to complain about the repub-lite policies she implements.

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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:56 PM

48. Republican Lite? Says who???

 

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12

Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Chief advocate for Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Strongly Favors topic 13
TPP agreement creates more growth and better growth: Favors topic 13
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

OpEd: More aggressive than most Dems on foreign policy: Opposes topic 17
Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Medical marijuana now; wait-and-see on recreational pot: Opposes topic 19
Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:28 PM

50. Whomp there it is

I was beginning to worry, I hadn't seen that post for a day or so.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #50)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:17 PM

80. LOL - she's posted that three times already in this thread alone.

 

She's not getting any attention, I guess. Desperation is ugly.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #80)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:05 PM

91. that's not desperation....that's the truth...only the desperate would LIE!

 

Republican...even "lite" would not have THAT record....so its up to you...repeat the lies (like Fox News)....

as long as this LIE is repeated on DU...I will continue to refute it with facts!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #91)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:09 PM

92. Your desperation ...

 

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Response to closeupready (Reply #92)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:10 PM

93. I am not the one lying...only the desperate have to lie

 

She is not even close to being a Republican...and I have the FACTS to prove it!

And here she is STILL kicking Republican ass and taking names..

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/12/clinton_continues_to_top_christie_by_double_digits_in_2016_presidential_matchup_poll_finds.html

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Response to tularetom (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:28 AM

106. NEEDZ MOAR BLOOO LINKZZZZZZ!!!!!

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Response to hatrack (Reply #106)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:09 AM

110. LOL. or it needs more...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:44 PM

90. Ok, not Reoublican Lite -- Straight out Republican

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:13 PM

34. What makes you think she would put forward an even moderate SCOTUS candidate?

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:35 PM

37. Right?

There's certainly no guarantee her choices will suddenly become populist based once she's in office.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:37 PM

52. I will vote for any yellow dog we nominate.

And I will fight tooth and nail to keep the GOP from interfering in the nomination process the way they always try to do.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:18 PM

96. Me too, Mcamy! nt

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:46 PM

53. I agree! Vote for the crooks! Not the kooks!

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:59 AM

65. LOL...



Business as usual.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:57 PM

55. We are one SCOTUS seat away from losing Roe v. Wade and the rest of the Voting Rights Act

We can not afford to let a republican president select the next three or four SCOTUS justices. We have already lost a significant amount of the Voting Rights Act in the Shelby County case and the rest of the VRA is vulnerable. Roberts has been working to gut the VRA since he was a baby attorney in the Reagan DOJ.

Reproductive rights are on the table. We have a number of key battles coming up including possible personhood amendments, TRAP law (targeted regulations against abortion providers) and 20 week abortion caps. The lost of even one Democratic judge or the retirement of Kennedy and the replacement of such judge with an Alito or Roberts type would be a disaster.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:05 PM

58. God I wish we could get past

what ever little crumb falls from the establishment we should be grateful for.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:51 PM

59. Then the banks win either way. And We The People lose.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #59)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:20 PM

82. And THAT is why the banks REALLY are backing her.

 

It was the banks, wasn't it, who quipped, "Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we've ever had." In Hillary, they'll have a Democratic president who not only supports Republican policies, but served on Walmart's Board of Directors for seven years, and resigned only when Bill announced his initial run for president.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:57 PM

60. Uh, if it's Hillary, then I/we *vote* for her? (I know *I* will). What's the question?!1 n/t

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:04 PM

61. Hillary would get my vote and nothing else, Warren would get my Vote, Time, & Money

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:05 AM

63. if she wins the nomination

I will vote for her, but I will ensure that all the centre right people learen on day one that I am not theirs. The Pumas started flaying at Obama from the first second, I will at Hillary, namely to ensure she either dips to the left, or resigns. Hillary and Wall Street can rig the casino, but that does not mean they will win the game, namely because, unlike Obama, people's patience for supporting someone because they claim to be a Democrat will have long been exhausted, no matter how many times her supporters will accuse anyone not kowtowing to her of being a (insert insult here.)

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:15 AM

69. quick answer...we will all be fucked. nt

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:36 PM

72. Depends in part on whom we send to Congress.

I think Clinton would go along to get along. With Wall Street, if we don't force her to hear some different voices.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:52 PM

76. ...

 

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:59 PM

77. Why people feel a need to swear a loyalty oath to Hillary before a single candidate, incl. HRC, has

announced is beyond me. If you really don't want Hillary to be the nominee, you are not serving your own purposes.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:39 PM

86. Would you vote for a democrat who opposed gay marriage or abortion?

Well as far as I'm concerned economic justice is just as important as social justice and I will not vote for a democrat who will not fight for economic justice. You cannot have social justice without economic justice. No justice. No peace.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:16 PM

94. Maybe we weren't ready for Hill in 08

and I'm not sure she was ready either but now it's eight years later and if Barack keeps hitting homers I think she'll do fine in the general and in the WH. One term for sure and she might surprise us all and get reelected.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:43 PM

97. Then I leave that part of the ballot blank

If Americans are so dumb that they want us to choose between two right wing candidates, then the nation deserves whatever ugly fate comes from that decision. I won't endorse it with my vote.

Clinton is on the wrong side of every political issue that is important to me. I won't vote against my own self interests so that Democratic centrists can maintain power.

There will be plenty of other races that I can focus my time and energy on.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:01 PM

98. Same argument that's always trotted out.

Vote for our shit candidate now and by golly next time we're gonna get a progressive! I've listened to, and went along with, that sales pitch too many times now.

If you like Clinton, great. I respect that. If you only vote for her because you're scared of not voting for her, I don't respect that. As for me, my vote is no longer to be won by emotional blackmail, promises of fixing the party later, or any other form of the tired gimmicks the center-right bloc employs to get liberals to vote for them.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:06 PM

100. I will never vote for $hillary, not now, not ever.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #100)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:31 AM

109. Better to vote for her than abstain, a republican might get elected.

What really amazes me is that a country with 440 million people only have two parties!

Republicans are horrible, they will take every rights away from poor people and we do not want that.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #109)

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 02:33 PM

121. They don't care. nt

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:28 PM

102. I'll Vote for Her

 

I'm old enough to know that, most of the time, one's choices in life are between the lesser of two evils.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:28 AM

108. If Hilary is the nominee for the Democractic Party, then you all have to vote

for her. She is still better as a Democrat as opposed to a Republican. Do not cut your nose to spite your face if Hilary is the nominee! Enough said.

I kinda feel she is getting old and might make mistakes plus she is for upper class not the working class. Yet again, you all will be faced with the lesser of two evils. What happened to Dean and Kuch? Are they not in the runnings?

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:46 AM

111. if it comes to HRC, I'll vote for her then go home and drink heavily

I strongly suspect a corporatist will nominate corporatist Judges. God Save The United States

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:05 AM

113. I can't vote for her

No, I mean I literally can't vote. I'm British. However, if she's the nominee, I will encourage my many American friends to vote for her. She's nowhere near as liberal as I'd like but at this point, it's either Democratic or a Fascist theocracy.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 03:23 AM

118. Most importantly, if you are a democrat, you have to

vote for the democratic candidate, otherwise, a useless republican will get elected and spend the next frigging eight years of undoing the good that President Obama has accomplished.

Regardless if Hilary Clinton is the nominee, democrats have to vote for her. Personally, I do not find that she is inevitable since you all do not believe in a dynasty. Is there not another democrat who is capable of being a President rather than Hilary? It is no longer a lesser of two evils, it is now a matter of keeping the American working class to survive. The middle class is losing ground and the rich is getting richer no matter who is the President, that I do not understand!

It is amazing that a country with such a huge population only have two main parties. One who wants you to pull yourself with your bootstraps and the other party is not that different. Boggles my mind!

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