ISIS Says It Will Conquer Europe Soon, Undertake Religious Cleansing And Kill Ruthlessly

[Rhinodawg]

The radical terror group ISIS has claimed that it is only a matter of time before its fighters conquer Europe. The claim was made by the spokesman of the outfit to veteran journalist Juergen Todenhoefer, who undertook a risky visit to the the ISIS controlled areas in Mosul of Northern Iraq.


"We will conquer Europe one day. It is not a question of we will conquer Europe, just a matter of when that will happen. But it is certain. ... For us, there is no such thing as borders. There are only front lines," the spokesman identified as a German ISIS fighter told the German journalist.

Religious Cleansing

Defending mass enslavement and beheadings, the ISIS spokesman said it is planning to carry out "the largest religious cleansing campaign" in history and will not hesitate to kill hundreds of millions of people, if required, reported the Christian Post.

"Our expansion will be rapid and perpetual. The Europeans need to know that when we come, it will not be in a nice way. It will be with our weapons. Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed," the spokesman said. Todenhoefer visited the Iraqi city of Mosul, which had a large Christian population before it was taken over by ISIS in June and clamped Islamic laws on the land, forcing people to convert to Islam or face death.


http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/576934/20141223/isis-conquer-europe-iraq-mosul-turkey-germany.htm#.VJquMbALs

[hobbit709]

1. There's a better chance of me winning the Lottery than ISIS conquering Europe.

[Rhinodawg]

2. What are the chances of this happening ? Maybe 1 out of 3 ?

I don't think this will really happen anytime soon...at least for 3 or 4 years.

[morningfog]

6. The chances are nil. Pure fantasy, will never happen.

They are t even able to move further into Iraq. This is silly

[Rhinodawg]

7. Riiiight.

Ok.

[morningfog]

8. It's laughable. You vastly overestimate their ability.

They are a small regional army. They self- aggrandize but there is zero chance that they have the ability to conquer Europe. It's an ISIS pipe dream. No thinking person would but into such nonsense.

[JonLP24]

51. You seriously believe the 1-4 year claim you made?

Part of the reason they gained control in Iraq is due to Sunni tolerance(as well as Sunni fleeing). The Iraqi Prime Minister denied a role for Sunnis again and again in the new government--including issuing a warrant for the Vice President on terrorism charges who was the highest ranking Sunni official in government. Iraq security forces under the Shiite government stormed the residence of a Sunni member of Parliament, killing him which lead to protests where they were brutally oppressed. The view of an illegitimate government (that doesn't represent their interests) combined w/ a counter force to the Shiite militias lead to the tolerance among Sunnis.

Syria, no one liked living under Assad and the regional neighbors didn't like him either which tolerated the situation. The rebel forces came to the conclusion that they can't find Assad and ISIS at the same-time. They both agree Assad must go but the area ISIS does control is Sunni territory. They don't have much territorial east of Mosul (Kurd territorial) or much territorial south of Baghdad and Fallujah (if any) -- Shiite area.

What factors exist in Europe to even make it possible? A very unique set of circumstances enables them to the control of the territorial they do have which is marked by constant battles along the Tigris River & oil refineries such as Baji.

Shiites or the political leadership do have legitimate concerns of the Wahhabi cult sect of Sunni as well as living under a Sunni dominated Ba'th party. Sunni's have concerns about the Shiite militia which has received training & support from Iran military for years. The paranoia in government leads to same type of oppression you're trying to reform. Besides there's just a lot of bad blood. What is little reported is tit-for-tat kidnapping (ransom) has been going on for years during the Iraq war and is constantly going on in both countries. I don't include the propaganda kidnappings in that statement so I hope there is no confusion there.

The Obama administration does seem to have a good handle on what they're facing. The example that reminds of that is Kerry telling Iran it wasn't appropriate for them to join talks on ISIS strategy which is true considering a great deal of Iran paranoia contributed to the rise but the same reason that applies to Kerry also applies to US. Not really appropriate for us either, they need to be defeated politically and provide the support & aid for people suffering.

I have a prediction that 10-20 years from now we're going to be talking about a "3-state solution" for Iraq.

[FrodosPet]

71. Exactly right!

As a metro Detroit cab driver (the transportation sales thing didn't work out), I have a lot more to fear from traffic accidents, carjackings, armed robbery, and belligerent drunks than I do ISIS.

And yet I am STILL out there making my $4 to $5 an hour trying to get people safely home from work, bars and hospitals.

[Scootaloo]

79. Oh yeah, you're a believer in that "Eurabia" garbage, aren' you?

I'm sorry Rhinodawg. Even though IS is telling you what you want to hear, they have no chance whatsoever of actually doing a damn thing.

I'm sure you're disappointed by the news.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. They need to stop

Won't happen without resistance . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014972719

^Note in that plot they were digging up weapons buried after WW II^

People are going to get hurt - that ISIS is supposedly trying to liberate.


ETA - Dresden protests http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-antiislam-protests-17000-march-on-dresden-against-islamification-of-the-west-9941656.html

Rhetoric begets rhetoric. Plots. Bombs. genocide.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

60. Religion...pft

[hifiguy]

66. A thousand times this.

Iron Age superstitions and greed are the two biggest threats to the survival of the human species.

[SammyWinstonJack]

69. +1000000.

[foo_bar]

4. pay the tax or be killed? is that like "cake or death?"

"Oh, just mark the Dhimmi checkbox at the bottom of your income tax return. Don't worry, they only behead people who don't file on time."

[Rhinodawg]

5. It's a brilliant war strategy ...

Demand rights
Engage in terrorist attacks to loosen up the population from the inside.
Threaten the political establishment to relent to your demands.
Get dhimmis to rally to your side.

Repeat ,repeat,repeat

thats how the did it in Sweden.


It's really amazing to witness this chapter in history right in front of us.
Very educational .

[Comrade Grumpy]

67. When did ISIS conquer Sweden? I must have missed that.

[Odin2005]

73. This Islamophobic shit belongs on Stormfront, not here.

[DetlefK]

9. Expansion??? They are actually losing territory in Iraq right now.

[Rhinodawg]

11. Oh lord...

You know what...you're right....,great point....never happen.

Thanks for straightening me out.

[morningfog]

17. Why buy in to IS propaganda?

[Rhinodawg]

20. Why ignore what they say ?

History is happening in front of you and you dismiss it.

Those who forget the past.....

[marmar]

29. You can't be serious.

[Rhinodawg]

33. When someone tells me they are going kill or behead me...

I tend to listen.

I'm funny that way.

[DanTex]

42. Let me put you at ease. ISIS is not going to kill or behead you.

They aren't going to affect your life in the slightest, unless you go to Iraq or Syria. They are also not going to conquer Europe. They probably aren't going to be able to hold on to much territory in the Middle East for very long, but even if they do, it still isn't going bring them any closer to conquering Europe or the US or the world.

[morningfog]

50. Because it is meaningless drivel.

[pinboy3niner]

56. But promoting Islamophobia is the point of the OP

So cherry-picking which ISIS statements are credible is part of the propaganda game.

The despicable rape post from the same OP author was hidden by a jury (6-1):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5999821

[JonLP24]

59. Recent Southwestern Asia history would give a good understanding

of the factors that led to the rise & territory.

It actually goes back further to Ibn Saud and the first state-sponsored Wahabbism which that piece of a land takeover was remarkably similar to what ISIS is currently up to, followed by the oil exports which lead to wider support & influence. Ironically a lot of these groups claim Saudi Arabia are hypocrites and they aren't Orthodox like they are. They are same when it comes to the beheadings & the morals police checking in on you, executions for drug possession, whipping in public, etc

Like the US in Saudi Arabia's case, there is a whole lot of enemy of my enemy type of shit in that region which is another explanation.

[oberliner]

15. Read the article

Jürgen Todenhöfer, the first Western journalist to be granted access to territories controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS), has returned with a warning: the terrorist group is “much stronger and much more dangerous” than its adversaries understand.

The veteran German writer and journalist is back in his home state after traveling through ISIS territories, just months after the extremist group began killing captive foreign workers and journalists. In Todenhöfer’s first interviews about the trip with German-language media, translated by the U.K. Independent, he presents ISIS as having achieved its namesake goal: an Islamic State — or rather, a collection of claimed lands hewed together by an audacious, baffling zealotry that will challenge efforts to beat the group.

Todenhöfer, 74, a high-profile reporter and antiwar activist, traveled to ISIS-held Mosul, in northern Iraq, after seven months of negotiations with the group’s leaders.

In Mosul, Todenhöfer found an “almost ecstatic enthusiasm” for the jihadist group that is unlike anything he had seen “in any other war zone,” he tells the German press. Each day, Todenhöfer says, hundreds of new recruits arrive to pledge themselves to the group’s mission, or what he calls the “largest religious cleansing strategy that has ever been planned in human history.”

Beyond the challenge of beating ISIS’s psychological pull on its followers, the U.S. and its allies will also confront the problem that the group’s some 5,000 fighters in Mosul sleep in barracks all around the Iraqi city, such that attackers “would have to reduce the whole of Mosul to ruins” to rid it of ISIS, says Todenhöfer.

http://time.com/3643610/islamic-state-jurgen-todenhofer-journalist-mosul/

[morningfog]

16. I read the article. It says nothing of their ability to conquer Europe, a ridiculous claim.

The report from the most strongly held ISIS city is that there, they will be tough to beat. That is a far cry (to say the least) of their ability to expand. And it is says nothing whatsoever of their ability to expand into Europe. It is utter nonsense.

[oberliner]

35. I meant "read this article"

It provides some interesting insights into their success in Mosul.

[99Forever]

10. Beat that fucking war drum.

Just itching for some blood, are you? Hop on a plane and go get 'em Rambo.

[Coventina]

23. I just want to make sure I'm understanding your post.

Are you saying that reporting on ISIS is being pro-war?

Because I don't understand why that would be.

I am definitely NOT pro-war, but I want to know what ISIS is up to.

[Rhinodawg]

27. Thank you.

Finally, someone who gets it.

[99Forever]

34. Gets what?

Your fear mongering? Your hate mongering?

Maybe there is good reason most people don't buy into it.

[Coventina]

36. Yikes! Sorry!

The OP posted a thread, and I was curious about some of the responses, of which yours was one.

If you didn't want others to see it and respond maybe use a PM?

I didn't realize a forum called "General Discussion" was intended for private conversations.

Carry on!

[99Forever]

37. I responded to the OP not you.

You took it upon yourself to jump in as if i had took issue with you. I didn't.

Apology accepted.

[Coventina]

43. Usually an accepted apology means the scolding stops.

I'm sorry I asked you a question that infuriated you so much, I had no idea that apparently you and the OP have a history.

I come to DU to be informed and ask questions when I have them.

I've never, in my decade plus time here, run into a situation like this.
Believe me, I had no idea I was committing such an offense to you.

Peace.

[GGJohn]

48. This is an open discussion board, where we, you know, discuss,

you don't have to be invited to comment, you did the same thing and yet you chastise someone else for doing what you did.
Fucking amazing.

[Coventina]

52. Thanks for this. I don't spend much time on DU anymore and was stunned, to say the least.

I've never run into this before.

I've come under attack for a lot of different things, but never this!

[GGJohn]

54. No problem.

Some here are just nasty sort of people, don't let it get to you.
Happy Holidays to you and your family.

[kelly1mm]

58. I am not quite sure you understand how public message boards work. nt

[tenderfoot]

45. Are you pro-fear-mongering?

Because that is what the OP is.

Are you suggesting that having an issue with that, coupled with a user with a penchants for posting red meat is a problem?

I ask because it makes you look passive aggressive or willfully obtuse or both.

Isis this.

[Coventina]

49. No, I am not pro-fear-mongering.

However, I don't see how posting about ISIS is automatically fear-mongering.
In fact, I think their threats to conquer Europe are downright laughable.
But, I still think that they are a dangerous group and I want to know what they're doing and whatever nonsense they are currently spouting.

I don't spend enough of my life on DU to have known that posting stories about ISIS was considered "pro-war" or "pro-fear-mongering".

I was confused by the attitude and therefore asked the question that I did.

I also don't know the OP, his/her posting history, or that the post was apparently posted as flame-bait or something.
I thought it was just a post about ISIS and their latest nonsense.

There was a time when I used to be much more on top of all these little personality wars and such, but I don't have time for that now.

I can go back in my posting history and find posts I made making fun of ISIS if you don't believe me.

[stevenleser]

63. Alert results for the response to this post (5-2 to hide)

I was juror #4


On Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:29 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Did I respond to you?
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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"butting in where you weren't invited" since when is this 99 Forever's site? This is a discussion board, there was no cause for this rudeness

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I consider a response like this to be rude and outside of what I think should be community standards.
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[Coventina]

70. Thanks for the info!

I did not alert on the post myself.

But I was rather stunned by it.

[pampango]

12. The "Christian" far-right is a much bigger, more immediate threat to a liberal Europe. Of course,

the "Christian" far-right feeds off of fear of "others" - Muslims, Africans, refugees, etc. so they will publicize the rantings of this IS 'spokesman'.

The French National Front, the Sweden Democrats, the Dutch Freedom Party and a host of other far-right, fear-based parties should send a collective thank-you card to the IS "spokesman" for his portrayal of Muslims are crazed terrorists. If Bush/Cheney were still in office we would be invading someone and/or deporting millions of immigrants ASAP to prevent these 'crazed terrorists' from doing their evil best.

[oberliner]

14. So it's OK to bash the Christian far-right but not the Muslim far-right?

That seems to be the vibe around here sometimes

[pampango]

19. You can bash both of them but one is a bigger threat than the other. n/t

[oberliner]

26. Fair enough

They are both pretty threatening though, in my opinion.

[hrmjustin]

13. ISIS says a lot of things. i doubt that Europe will fall to ISIS.

[Kingofalldems]

18. Will you be joining up for the war?

[Rhinodawg]

21. Lol

Silly.

[Kingofalldems]

44. I don't think it's silly at all.

You seem to be fixated on getting us even more involved in the mideast, so wondering if you will be doing your part.

[Rhinodawg]

76. Where the puck did I say we should get involved?

Don't bother looking , it's not there.

Gee whiz.

It's called information.

[Kingofalldems]

78. It's called reading between the lines. And it's obvious to me.

[Lurks Often]

22. The ISIS spokesman must be smoking crack

ISIS has been, facing at best, third or fourth tier ground forces (excluding any special ops troops that might be on the ground). When they come up against first tier or second tier Western forces, they are going to be slaughtered.

ISIS will have to go through either Russia or Turkey to get to Europe and either country will destroy ISIS as a military force.

[shraby]

24. That worked so good for Hitler didn't it?

[neverforget]

25. ISIS has their own Baghdad Bob

[treestar]

57. +1

Beat me to it.

Worked out for Krushchev too.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Eeek! Quick! Send more money to the Pentagon!!

[CBGLuthier]

30. I will be in Europe the first half of January. i do hope the motherfuckers can hold off their jihad

Until February. Surely even those assholes realize Winter is no time to start a war in Europe.

[kentuck]

31. Yeah, as soon as they take Ramadi...

[matt819]

38. Maybe not entirely analogous

Reminds me of a long-ago Steve Martin bit. How to become a millionaire and not pay taxes. First, get a million dollars. Then, don't pay taxes.

You know, though, in some ways the bluster kind of reminds me of the RW blowhards here in the US.

[DanTex]

39. Yeah, good luck with that...

[Thinkingabout]

40. ISIS is vicious group, their leaders has to sell whatever to the recruits to keep the group going.

They should not be ignored, I doubt they would be able to take Europe because action would be taken to halt them. For those who thinks this group is just going to dry up and go away, no, they have nothing to lose, part of their current bounties has been women and children of Yazidi, they are collected for sexual abuse of their recruits. We can bury ourselves into thinking no action will take care of this problem or we can face reality and cull this group. Will there be others, yes, history continues to occur over and over.

[Turbineguy]

41. And on the same page...

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/566143/20140913/much-masturbation-kills-23-year-old-chinese.htm

This German ISIS fighter sounds like he's all ginned up on "Mein Kampf".

A sort of faith-based version of the Bobonic Plague

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

46. Oh shit! Is that a moooslim behind you!........ OK you can go change your underwear now. nt

[Faux pas]

47. Like Grampa used to say

"if you're gonna dream, dream BIG".

[AZ Mike]

53. Lol.

A photo of the spokesperson has just been released by the media:

[brendan120678]

55. Ha ha ha....LOL...

Oh, wait...

[SomethingFishy]

61. All 40,000 of them?

The article states they plan to kill 200 million Europeans. They can't come up with enough people to fill a football stadium.

We have more Armored Vehicles than ISIS has people. We have 1 tank for ever 5 members of ISIS.

For some reason, I'm not scared of them.

[Orsino]

62. Well, that was easy. n/t

[Depaysement]

64. "They are talking about millions, hundreds of millions, 500 million who have to die."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-western-journalist-embedded-group-contact-americans/story?id=27770339

Even idle boasts should be taken seriously.

[hifiguy]

65. Yeah, sure.

ISIS: No deep-water navy, no air force, no real army, just a large-ish band of guerrillas with captured weapons.

Europe: Real armies, real air forces, real navies.

Perhaps they should try. It would be a good excuse for the armies of Europe to reduce them to dog food and let the buzzards clean up the mess.

[stevenleser]

68. Your post does not account for infiltration from within.

I don't know if it is a reasonable scenario, but lets assume that ISIS is able to insert 50,000-100,000 of its folks each into the Muslim communities of France, Germany and the UK and these folks recruit as many of the locals as possible to their cause and start attempting to sabotage military installations, shoot at soldiers, bomb government buildings, attempt to assassinate officials and generally create havoc at the same time ISIS commences an invasion of lower Europe (the Balkans) through Turkey, which in our scenario it has also previously infiltrated and thus conquered.

ISIS would thus embroil the top militaries of Europe and their governments in internal concerns making it difficult for them to deploy to southern Europe to deal with ISIS at least initially.

Your comment seems to only take into account a standard war where two armies confront each other head to head on a 'front'. I doubt ISIS would present itself for slaughter so conveniently.

Could ISIS pull this off? I doubt it. But a year ago I would have doubted that ISIS could control half of both Syria and Iraq and threaten Baghdad.

[DFW]

74. Here in Germany, there is huge surveillance of Islamic extremists

Some are not known but many are. Plenty of plots have been thwarted, and they will not enjoy support from the population, including most Muslims in Germany, who have it far better than they had at home. They are not looking to turn back the clock.

[Odin2005]

72. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Please proceed, lunatics!

[Dorian Gray]

75. Those who do not

convert or pay "the Islamic tax" will be killed. What are they? The Muslim Mafia?

Gross.

[on point]

77. As delusional as the rest of their horrible stone age world view

[longship]

80. What are they going to do? Bleed on them?

[DinahMoeHum]

81. Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga boo.

[JHB]

82. It's not everyday you see a spokesman make "pyew pyew!" noises.

[eridani]

83. Good--being delusional will hopefully lead to their downfall n/t