Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:35 PM
H2O Man (70,587 posts)
Wounded Knee (12-29-1890)
“I did not know then how much was ended. When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can still see the butchered women and children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as when I saw them with eyes still young. And I can see that something else died there in the bloody mud, and was buried in the blizzard. A people's dream died there. It was a beautiful dream.”
-- Black Elk This haunting quote from the Lakota holy man Black Elk describes his insight on the Wounded Knee Massacre. Today is the anniversary of the December 29, 1890 conflict, in which the US military attacked a group of Indian people who had surrendered their freedom the day before. Spotted Elk, a chief of the Miniconjou, had led approximately 350 people, from various tribes, on a trip towards the reservation the military had selected for them. They had camped along the bank of the Chanjkpe-Opi-Wakpala, or Wounded Knee Creek. According to historians, on the morning of the 29th, the military attempted to secure the guns that some of the Indians had. A deaf man, Black Coyote, did not understand when a soldier attempted to take his gun. Thus, the violence began: over 200 Indian men, women, and children were killed, and 51 wounded (4 men, and 47 women and children); some of the wounded died in the days that followed. Twenty-five soldiers were killed, and 39 were wounded (six of the wounded died in the following days). The dead Indians were buried in a mass grave. The Wounded Knee Massacre would mark the end of the “Indian wars” of the 1800s. There were, of course, other incidents of conflict, where people were injured and killed. Though it was not the only such massacre, it stood out in our nation’s history.
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H2O Man | Dec 2014 | OP |
niyad | Dec 2014 | #1 | |
H2O Man | Dec 2014 | #17 | |
G_j | Dec 2014 | #2 | |
H2O Man | Dec 2014 | #18 | |
pipi_k | Dec 2014 | #3 | |
H2O Man | Dec 2014 | #19 | |
spanone | Dec 2014 | #4 | |
H2O Man | Dec 2014 | #24 | |
Sunlei | Dec 2014 | #5 | |
sabrina 1 | Dec 2014 | #12 | |
Sunlei | Dec 2014 | #15 | |
Lifelong Protester | Dec 2014 | #21 | |
SamKnause | Dec 2014 | #26 | |
jwirr | Dec 2014 | #6 | |
geardaddy | Dec 2014 | #7 | |
turbinetree | Dec 2014 | #8 | |
Comrade Grumpy | Dec 2014 | #9 | |
panader0 | Dec 2014 | #10 | |
Stuart G | Dec 2014 | #11 | |
blackspade | Dec 2014 | #16 | |
TorchTheWitch | Dec 2014 | #13 | |
blackspade | Dec 2014 | #14 | |
G_j | Dec 2014 | #20 | |
colsohlibgal | Dec 2014 | #22 | |
Ramses | Dec 2014 | #23 | |
JEB | Dec 2014 | #25 | |
niyad | Dec 2014 | #27 |
Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:05 PM
niyad (96,674 posts)
1. thank you for remembering.
a month ago was the 150th anniversary of sand creek. incredibly sad chapters in this nation's story.
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Response to niyad (Reply #1)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:41 PM
H2O Man (70,587 posts)
17. Thank you.
I had thought about including some information on Sand Creek. Then I figured that I'd try to keep the OP shorter, and hoped that Sand Creek might be brought up if people responded. So you know how happy I was to see that you nailed it on response #1!
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:06 PM
G_j (40,341 posts)
2. thank you!
December 29, 1890 Chief Bigfoot and 300 or more of his band of people, mostly women, children and old people, were unarmed and massacred.
The Bigfoot Memorial Riders or Oomaka Tokatakiya (Future Generations) riders and the Sitting Bull Memorial Riders from Standing Rock arrive at Wounded Knee massacre site after approximately 150+ miles on horseback in the snow following the footsteps of Chief Bigfoot's band of people in 1890. They are honoring, remembering, and praying for the future. Tomorrow they continue on to Pine Ridge, SD. If you would like to help with next year's ride by donating please contact us on our facebook page or via our website when it's up and running massacreatwoundedknee.com. Song: This One's for the People by Mitch Walking Elk (www.MitchWalkingElk.com) used with permission. Photography and editing by Oitancan Zephier Video: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=547286162074856 |
Response to G_j (Reply #2)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:42 PM
H2O Man (70,587 posts)
18. Very good!
Thanks for adding that information. Much appreciated.
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:06 PM
pipi_k (21,020 posts)
3. And this
is the real tragedy we should never lose sight of, nor repeat.
I've read quite a few accounts of the massacre, and each one has had me in tears. This is not the shiny-object-du-jour which is the stupid fight over what a football team calls itself. This is slaughter. |
Response to pipi_k (Reply #3)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:46 PM
H2O Man (70,587 posts)
19. Right.
There are a number of really good accounts of the massacre. And even those that attempt to simply stick to the facts are moving. I think highly of Dee Brown's book, too, though there is such power in Black Elk's description.
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:14 PM
spanone (132,855 posts)
4. i remember reading the book and crying. what a sad chapter in american history.
Response to spanone (Reply #4)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:24 PM
H2O Man (70,587 posts)
24. It was terrible.
It is one of the lessons in man's inhumanity to man that we have not -- as a nation -- learned from. If we had, incidents such as the My Lai Massacre would not have happened. And I say that to point a finger not at the soldiers, but rather, at the politicians who created the situation where such immoral brutality was sure to happen.
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:17 PM
Sunlei (22,651 posts)
5. Oomaka Tokatakiya
Every December, hundreds of American Indian riders pay tribute to those who died in The Wounded Knee Massacre by tracing the path of their ancestors.
It is called Oomaka Tokatakiya, the Future Generations Ride, and it is an epic journey spanning nearly 300 miles of historic and sometimes hostile territory. It will take place this year as it has for the last quarter of a century, with some 300 riders and their horses departing in mid-December to trace the paths of their ancestors across the South Dakota landscape, and find in themselves a strength and power that will change their lives. ![]() |
Response to Sunlei (Reply #5)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:52 PM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
12. Thank you for that information. I've never seen anything about this on the news.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #12)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:11 PM
Sunlei (22,651 posts)
15. you're welcome
imo a spirit walk is not intended to be advertised or 'general' news. It is a tribute, a cleansing & very uplifting.
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Response to Sunlei (Reply #5)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:46 PM
Lifelong Protester (8,421 posts)
21. Thanks for this.
I followed the FB link and shared the video.
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Response to Sunlei (Reply #5)
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 12:31 AM
SamKnause (12,700 posts)
26. There is a video
documenting the journey.
I can not remember the website I saw it on. |
Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:36 PM
geardaddy (24,279 posts)
7. Thank you.
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:01 PM
turbinetree (23,797 posts)
8. Murder
This act of violence of the Natives of this country, speaks volumes of how the natives were treated back then and to this day, no respect, high unemployment, lack of housing, lack of heath care, lack of education, ect.........
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:08 PM
Comrade Grumpy (13,184 posts)
9. They rose up again in 1973. When AIM took on the GOONs and the FBI.
GOONs = Guardians of the Oglala Nation, the thug boys of then tribal chairman Richard Wilson.
This is when those FBI guys got blasted on the Pine Ridge. And Leonard Peltier is still in prison for it. |
Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:34 PM
panader0 (25,321 posts)
10. Spotted Elk, frozen. The dead were left to be buried because of the cold until several days later.
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:50 PM
Stuart G (36,291 posts)
11. This books tells all "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" Dee Brown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee
An unbelievable book to read, about the United States Government's treatment of Native American Nations.. You are warned...It is as bad as you can imagine. And it wasn't once but more, much more.. Our government took their land, killed their warriors, their women, their children. It took their means of living, and hurt these people in ways...I cannot say...If you don't know, then read this one and find out.. |
Response to Stuart G (Reply #11)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:14 PM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
16. Two other books worth reading as well:
The Politics of Indian Removal by Michael D. Green
And How the West was Lost by Stephen Aron Both of these deal with the early nineteenth century, but they provide a window into the US governments late nineteenth century conflicts with the Indians of the 'New West.' |
Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:57 PM
TorchTheWitch (11,065 posts)
13. I just recently read the book again
Hadn't read it for years. I don't think I cried so much reading anything.
There's lots of good documentaries about it on YouTube. I even found the full movie based on the book... |
Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:05 PM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
14. Fucking shameful
The 'Indian Wars' should be called what they were: Genocide.
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:52 PM
colsohlibgal (5,256 posts)
22. The Real Native Americans
No amount of money for reparations could be enough.
I'm amazed anyone bought phrases like "Manifest Destiny". Or didn't get how bogus their claims of "discovery" of this land was. These issues linger today, sadly. |
Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:00 PM
Ramses (721 posts)
23. most excellent post
One of the seminal and deeply disturbing books i have ever read. I dont think i could stand to watch the movie that was made of it.
Heartbreaking. |
Response to H2O Man (Original post)
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 12:15 AM
JEB (4,748 posts)
25. How many of these massacres can we ignore before
we realize what we are? Wounded Knee, fire bombing Dresden, atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, My Lai, Fallujah.
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Response to JEB (Reply #25)
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 11:16 AM
niyad (96,674 posts)