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dhill926
(16,953 posts)with any luck, he'll be a Former U.S. Representative again......
groundloop
(13,849 posts)At first I didn't see why this video was at all incriminating, he was simply endorsing his newsletter - no big deal. But with a little help from google it became quite clear why this video is so damning - that newsletter contained some extremely vile hatred.
Retrieved from several sources, including:
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?page=0,1
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/the-story-behind-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters/250338/#.TvKnInuXFVY
“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began,”
the looting was a natural byproduct of government indulging the black community with “‘civil rights,’ quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black tv shows, black tv anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”
“America’s number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.”
a section of his Investment Letter, titled “What To Expect for the 1990s,” predicted that “Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’"
In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC’s Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” “This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s,” the newsletter predicted.
The newsletter inveighed against liberals who “want to keep white America from taking action against black crime and welfare,” adding, “Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems.”
"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
"We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational."
Martin Eden
(15,629 posts)528 hz
(15 posts)look at the state of affairs in the Inner Cities. Has the system of welfare helped most lower-class BP ascend into the middle class? What are the dropout rates of high schools around the nation? Some are OVER 50%!
Yes, there are successs stories but in urban America, there seems to be more and more problems related to poverty than ever before. I think of "Eyes on the Prize," which I recently revisited (in the top 3 documentaries of all time, IMO). When Robert Kennedy visited the poorest rural parts of the South, the people he spoke to had a dignity and displayed intelligence and decorum that you don't sometimes see within poor areas of America these days. What changed?
It's not bigoted to tell the truth, even if you are a White man talking about Black men. And obviously it's not ALL Black men.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)two people can view the exact same thing and still have different perspectives on outcome based upon the calculation done through the filter of their own life experiences.
Has the system of welfare helped most lower class individuals in Appalachia to ascend into the middle class? I mean,
I look their their state of affairs which never, ever seems to change.
The HS drop out rates across the nation:
http://www.betterhighschools.org/docs/nhsc_dropoutfactsheet.pdf
Among minorities, only about 52 percent of Hispanic students and 56 percent of
African-American students will graduate in four years, compared with 78 percent of
white students.13
High school students from low-income families (the lowest 20 percent) were six times
more likely to drop out than students from higher income families. Ultimately, about one
half of all dropouts never receive a high school credential.14
Students with Disabilities Aged 14 and Older Who Dropped Out, by Race/Ethnicity
Race/Ethnicity Percent of Group who
Dropped Out
American Indian/Alaska Native 52.2%
Black 44.5%
Hispanic 43.5%
White 33.9%
Asian/Pacific Islander 28.0%
Source: U.S. Department of Education, Office of Special Education Programs, Data Analysis System
(DANS), 2003.These data are for the 50 states, DC, Puerto Rico and the four outlying areas. This is
based on a cumulative 12-month count.
Simple, country folk can have as good of manners as a refined person who lives in the city. What you're
asking is why are they so vulgar and jaded now, since it seems they've gotten the "best of everything".
Perhaps they're sick of shit and don't give a good gotdamb who knows? Only way to know is to ask the people
whose life experience is this.
Also, people know a little differently now. It's way later in time and the veil has long been ripped from the face.
You're not going to see that display of innocence by and large--that's the nature of things and time wearing on.
People also don't do a whole lot of things like they used to way back when.
see what I mean by perspective? This is a class/caste issue, not a race issue.
btw--got any links-how did you arrive at your conclusions?
FlaGatorJD
(364 posts)Seriously? 
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)was pretty much abolished in the 1990s when Clinton/Gingrich "ended welfare as we know it."
There are now caps on how long a family can be on welfare.
In case you haven't noticed, this didn't solve the basic problem: an economy shedding quality jobs while dis-investing in public education and quality infrastructure. Combine this with a continuing corrosive racism as aptly demonstrated by Ron Paul's newsletter and the people who defend it, and you can draw a pretty good picture on why poverty in this country is such an intractible problem. Basically, we've given up on even trying, and prefer to blame those locked in at the margins.
And all that "ending welfare as we know it" did was push even more people into poverty. It didn't even end the continual right wing whining about "welfare cheats." It's such a good talking point that even now, with millions of people in the middle class slipping through what's left of the safety net, right wingers still can't bring themselves to give it up.
"When Robert Kennedy visited the poorest rural parts of the South, the people he spoke to had a dignity and displayed an intelligence...what changed?"
I know lots of people you'd probably consider "poor" who have dignity, self respect, and intelligence. You think somebody loses intelligence and "decorum" because they're poor or black?
If anything has changed, it's our attitudes toward the problem. The Republican Party today is certainly far more focussed on blaming people for their problems than doing anything to try to solve them. Hell, we've got Teabaggers telling us unemployment insurance makes people lazy!
Can you imagine any senator visiting poor people today? Instead, Newt Gingrich wants to turn children into janitors, and Ron Paul wants people without health insurance to die.
What's changed then is that our culture has shifted to the hard right, with the result that it's crueler, meaner, and uglier. This works fine for the one percent and their addled minions.
For the rest of us, not so much.
Mark D.
(435 posts)Next time you hear a Paulist say he's not racist, or more stupidly, also has the best solutions.
Remind them he'd said in at least one interview not long ago that what Lincoln did to cause a
Civil War was not needed to end slavery. It would have ended on its own, it wasn't profitable.
Not profitable. Mr. Market-Based Solutions again. How about - It had to end, and he wished it
ended sooner because those were human beings. No, profit was what would drive ending that.
This is the first part of what was wrong with what Ron Paul said but the worst is yet to come.
It's a lie. A large part of the US economy, especially in the south, was built by slaves, and the
near 100% profit of having people work for free & living on scraps you'd otherwise throw away
as food, in rotting shacks out back to harvest a product you sell and keep all those profits for.
That's why the plantations were so big and fancy. JP Morgan Sr. profited heavily from sales of
cotton from Newport RI and Maryland ports he owned, or heavily invested in. It is why he had
supported the Confederacy despite being a Yankee and buying his way out of having to serve.
It was the most profitable large scale business in US history, even more than health insurance,
the ponzi scheme that it is. Ron Paul lied, period. He's not stupid & had to know how profitable
it was. Anyone who will vote for him knowing that needs their head examined, plain and simple.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)
Enrique
(27,461 posts)
originalpckelly
(24,382 posts)"White coat or white sheet? You decide."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Good find.
MilesColtrane
(18,678 posts)Coincidence, or one of those things that make you go, "hmmm"?
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)If he didn't know of the content then he's completely irresponsible for putting his name on anything at all and also irresponsible for not making himself aware after the fact and is unfit for high office.
Informme
(3 posts)Really? Did you research his response to how these could have gone out unnoticed? He wasn't in congress at the time; he was back practising medicine. Really? Are you going to dismiss his ENTIRE political platform over what, an oversight? His job at the time was "doctor"; I think you should look to see how many miscarriages happened during that time. Similarly, while working as a congressman, would you accuse HIM if one of the other doctors at his practise messed up and killed a baby? Seriously, do you even know what he stands for? I imagine you think he's just another egotistical career politician by the way you so summarily dismiss him, and I'd bet you couldn't list off his voting record spanning 3 decades or the philosophy behind his candidacy. If you could, you'd feel very embarrassed right now. Now, go back and find me a video from as far back as 1975 where Paul espouses such remarks. If you can't, then I'll just have to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe him when he says he didn't write them. I already know he doesn't believe them.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Over and over and over
malaise
(296,114 posts)Rec
alp227
(33,282 posts)"In the next segment, Mr. Paul talked about his life after his service in Congress. He also added that he is running again in 1996."
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I've got a good friend who supports Paul. For this reason, I have done a good bit of reading on the newsletter allegations. What I have found is that there were several different series of newsletters, one series relating to governmental monetary policy. That is what he is "touting" here.
The newsletters that are getting attention now, as they have in the past, are of a different series. He has said he did not write those newsletters, and has denounced that content. This video clip doesn't prove anything different.
Paul says nothing about race in this clip. It just isn't the smoking gun we would like it to be.
Sorry to rain on this particular parade, but let's be clear, honest and fair. That is what sets us apart, isn't it?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If he's actually a racist, it's going to come out, not everyone who knows him in his community is going to be a supporter.
In the meantime his domestic policies are easy pickings for attacking him in political territory.
Shoe Horn
(302 posts)He should've just gone through the motions and denounced these ugly things again and again.
It is the first I've heard, of the specifics of his racist connections.
These words and statements don't appear out of nowhere.
They weren't planted by some rogue hacker. They came from the organization that Ron Paul was a part of.
That's pretty fucking scary.
Also, the Galveston area is pretty fucking scary.
SE Texas has some 1950's style racist shit still going on.
Or so I hear.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Said he doesn't even know who wrote them.
Now with this video it proves he was lying when he denied knowing anything about them.
Doesn't it?
Don
Informme
(3 posts)This issue isn't that he's saying he didn't know anything about any newsletter under his name; it's that he KNEW about the newsletter (it was his!), but he DIDN'T KNOW what was going into it, for which he's accepted "moral responsibility" time and time and time and time and time, and time again, and every time there's an election, conveniently.
Really, at this stage, I want to see a video, actual video footage of Paul which parallels the comments in those newsletters. I mean there are weeks worth of him spanning 3 decades. Find them for me; then I will listen to you.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)Did Ron Paul ever bother to find out the name of the person who wrote this material?
Has he ever confronted that person?
Has he made his or her name public, and explained how this person somehow ended up writing his newsletter for him?
If someone had published such vile things over MY name, I sure as hell would want to know who it was and how it happened. And I'd want everyone else to know too.
whathehell
(30,469 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)And he says he doesn't know who wrote it either. But he was on TV promoting it and making over a million dollars off of it.
Do you believe what he is saying now?
Don
whathehell
(30,469 posts)it didn't sound like something one would post cultural observations of any kind, let
alone racist ones.
If they are one and the same, no, I certainly do NOT believe him
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)being published which had his name on the front?
How many of them was he printing in 1996, at the time of this interview?
Unless he is extremely reckless with his name and who uses it, then there is no second one--that would really call a foul for him now to have to cop to two outfits churning out these newsletters with his name on it saying vile things about an entire socioeconomic class of a race of people and him acting like he knew nothing about it. With his name on the front cover. In some small town in Texas. His name. One of a handful of obgyn's there... and he knew nothing about what was said in it.
If he did know, then he was completely gooning for the "I don't give a fuck if this finds me in the future" vibe in that interview.
whathehell
(30,469 posts)of money policy in this interview.
Believe me -- I'm not giving him a pass...I find him a frightening extremist, at best.
zanana1
(6,488 posts)I think the man's a complete loon, but the video doesn't mention anything other than monetary policy.
freshstart
(265 posts)He and his Conservative Caucus/"shadow cabinet" friends fought hard against the ERA.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=dRo0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=ASMIAAAAIBAJ&dq=equal%20rights%20shadow%20cabinet%20conservative%20caucus&pg=1098%2C5035106
Ron Paul was a "shadow cabinet" member:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=oD0iAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZawFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3197,338158&dq=shadow+cabinet+conservative+caucus&hl=en
The Conservative Caucus lists the so-called "accomplishments" here and look, Ron Paul is still part of them:
http://www.conservativeusa.org/35years.htm
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I would like to see some quotes to prove that Paul isn't just papering over views that proved truly popular with a large segment of Texas' voting public.
The truth is, the racist bullshit *served* Paul in Texas state politics. I would like to see just how far his denouncement went. Perhaps your friend can forgive a clearly racist past. I don't think that's a wise political choice.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)spicegal
(758 posts)So far, he hasn't done a very convincing job of defending himself. Ron Paul has a small but loyal following. Don't really think he's going to be broadly popular, and his newsletter isn't the only reason.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Can't do that on the national stage. He thought he could. But he can't.
Don
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)with any luck he'll split the party after the primaries by running 3rd party in the general.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)If no such video (nor direct print quotes) may be located, any alleged racism is covert, by definition.
Please see my response above called "Good Info". Not the actual 'racist statements' you want.
That is true. But damned close, selling ignorance / defendning NOT ending slavery by US Laws.
Please advise how someone knowledgable as he is would say that without it not meaning that.
Informme
(3 posts)... that if I can't find video or "direct print quotes" of YOU making racist comments, then any alleged racism is covert. Is that your logic. What about questioning the people making the allegations? Of course not, just believe that they would have nothing to gain.
SecurityManager
(124 posts)and anyone who believes different is living in storybrooke!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and/or to make the delegate count so close that Romney has a fight at the convention.
SecurityManager
(124 posts)When paul is hinted at at being president I go all billy jack LOL
freshstart
(265 posts)Gary Johnson already jumped on the Libertarian party line. Where will he go? What other 3rd party would want him?
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)No, he is not going to win the GOP nomination. But he is going to do one of two thing.
1. He is going to throw his support behind whomever the GOP nominee is and instruct the lunatics who have been supporting him to vote for that person.
2. He he going to run a third party campaign if he thinks he can pull enough low information voters away from voting for President Obama to help the GOP nominee win.
Either way the more political damage done to this clown by being exposed for being the racist scum he is, the better it is for us.
Don
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)I guess doctors are hard to come by in his part of Texas...