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[NYC_SKP]

1. BART board members: a very diverse crowd (NOT):

http://www.bart.gov/about/bod

[sheshe2]

3. Wait what?! They are all white?

Color me surprised. Thanks for finding that SKP. I looked, but I rang in the New Year with a nasty cold and to tired to look further.

Happy New Year SKP~ to you and yours.

[napkinz]

2. "they want restitution!? Seriously? White men are demanding restitution"

When are we going to recognize the rights of whites in America!

How much longer will we tolerate the oppression of white people in this country!

[sheshe2]

4. Those images go perfectly here.

And your sarcasm is priceless.

Thanks napkinz.

[napkinz]

7. thanks sheshe

Happy New Year

[Cha]

5. Hopefully this happens, she.. thank you for the awareness!

[napkinz]

6. hey Cha!

Happy New Year

[Cha]

8. Aloha and..

Happy New Year, napkinz!!

[sheshe2]

9. Kick

[brooklynite]

10. I'm on the side of the public...

...that use BART to get to work, home to their kids, perhaps to the hospital. Many, likely are "the 99%".

The individuals involved in the disruption knew what the legal ramifications were; why should they expect special consideration?

As for the BART Board of Directors: you might be surprised to know they're directly elected. Why hasn't Alameda County elected someone of color if that's a concern. And do you really think the Board would act any differently if it's makeup was more to your liking?

[sheshe2]

13. The protesters are not part of the public?

Not part of the 99%? They have no right to their voice begging for their lives while be slaughtered in the street by an out of control PD? Unarmed black men are being murdered for breathing. And your sole concern is for a few people getting home late or maybe just not making it in time to the stores for the black Friday Specials?

Are you really serious here?

The individuals involved in the disruption knew what the legal ramifications were; why should they expect special consideration?

Do you hear yourself? Your words make me want to me cry. "why should they expect special consideration?" They don't, that is why they are protesting so once and for all the world will hear them. They're lives matter. You do believe that do you not?

Black Friday took on a whole new meaning for me this year.

[brooklynite]

16. They have every right to protest...

...outside any BART station they choose. They do not have the right to disrupt the lives of others to that end.

[sheshe2]

17. Again I ask you about your compassion

for the disrupted lives of the dead men and their families. My question was about their lives and do they matter? Your answer in light of the murders seems so cold to me.

[brooklynite]

19. As you will note, I'm not the only person here who sees a distinction....

...between a holding a worthwhile position on an issue and disrupting the lives of those NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ISSUE in advocating for it.

[sheshe2]

20. Others agreeing with you does not make your answer any more palatable. And no,

.....I am not at all surprised with the responses here. I expected them.

So your answer is....

Hands up, it ain't my problem.

As you will note, I'm not the only person here who sees a distinction.......between a holding a worthwhile position on an issue and disrupting the lives of those NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ISSUE in advocating for it.

So white privilege says....this ain't my problem. You are disrupting my life with your death. So go away, you inconvenience me? Yes it is your problem, it is all our problem, sadly you don't see that.

[brooklynite]

25. I'm not a BART customer...

...but when I've taken it, I've seen White, Black, Asian and Hispanic riders. Explain how this protest convinced them to join the cause.

[sheshe2]

29. Dear goddess.

This is not just about BART. What part of that do you not get?

[brooklynite]

30. The part where something completely unrelated to Ferguson or SI was disrupted...

Also, the part that assumes that the right to free speech includes the right to force others to listen.

[sheshe2]

31. Now I know why our country is in trouble.

Leave it at that, I don't want a hide for going beyond the fact that we need to see what is all around us, not just what is in front of our face.


Sad for you.

[brooklynite]

37. Lucky You!

You get to be self righteous, secure in the knowledge that only you understand the issue.

[Travis_0004]

11. I support reliable public transportation

I dont see how shutting down trains will get people on your side. Doing so is illegal and there should be consequences.

[sheshe2]

14. I don't see how black men, children really, unarmed

being gunned down in the streets is getting people on your side. Shit! Shutting down a train is more important to you than those black men that are being murdered in the streets. Can we please once and for all get our priorities straight. Dear goddess, I would like to say some of the responses here surprise me, yet they do not.

So

You

I dont see how shutting down trains will get people on your side. Doing so is illegal and there should be consequences.

Explain the legality of shooting unarmed black men without consequence. Or chocking a man to death for selling cigarettes? He was murdered on tape. Said murderers were let go. Do they not matter to you?

I believe being murdered is a tad more disruptive to your life that being an hour late getting home. The victims never made it home.

[Travis_0004]

15. There should be consequences for both

But why does a cop shooting somebody in another state justify shutting down mass transit? If people want to make a point by shutting it down they should expect to be arrested.

[sheshe2]

18. I don't think you really understand.

The shootings happen everyday. In every state. These were a tipping point. People are saying no more.

The protests.They are happening across the US, haven't you seen that?

BTW Travis. Black people are not arrested. They are shot, that is the record.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

26. Yep

I'm all for the protests, but part of civil disobedience is accepting the consequences that come with it.

[sheshe2]

28. What the hell about the concequences that came before all that.

What is your opinion on shooting unarmed black men in the street and letting their body lie there for 4 and 1/2 hours? Or strangling Garner to death for selling a cigarette? It was on tape and they walked. Sorry if a late train got you home late . These men never got home.

[arcane1]

33. People can agree with the cause and yet disagree with a specific tactic.

You are being incredibly unfair to some posters here, bordering on personal attacks.

Just because some people may think this particular, specific act was ineffective does NOT mean that "Shutting down a train is more important to you than those black men that are being murdered in the streets".

You should seriously consider editing your post. You are doing more harm than good with this.

[QuestionableC]

12. Let's protest the 1% and police brutality by disrupting the lives of the working class and the poor.

[sheshe2]

21. Black Lives Matter

[sheshe2]

22. If you really believe...

[sheshe2]

23. Hands up!

[sheshe2]

24. I asked Skinner if we could have this as an avatar.

[sheshe2]

27. Martin to Martin

The responses here don't surprise me, however they hurt like hell. Death is such an inconvenience to some people. It just gets in their way. Damn your protest is in my way and I was an hour late getting home, what you did was illegal, why should "you people " get special consideration. But shooting an unarmed black man means nothing to some here. They are an inconvenience. Nothing more and nothing less.

[Prism]

32. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

I don't see how, by virtue of being protesters, they should somehow be legally absolved from the consequences of their actions.

They have a thousand encouraged and appropriate venues in the Bay Area. They chose to disrupt public transportation in an area where many people rely on it - where people are encouraged to do away with automobiles in favor of public transit by the transportation policies of the state and local counties.

Trifling with BART is no minor thing, as the union discovered over the summer when the public went completely apeshit on them during the strike.

I'm sorry, but very few people are going to support, "We can do whatever we want because our cause is just!" It's juvenile and the mark of immature political minds. I expect this from college students with more passion than sense - not adults who should know the negative impact of holding thousands of innocents captive to their politics.

Workers' lives matter, too. And this protest hurt them, black and white and everything in between.

I said it in the thread title, and I'll repeat it again: When you play a stupid game, you win a stupid prize.

Consequences are part of civil disobedience. If they weren't prepared to accept them as a mature political participant, they had zero place being out there to begin with.

[sheshe2]

34. So when does that white rancher Cloven Foot Bundy get held accountable?

You said.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't see how, by virtue of being protesters, they should somehow be legally absolved from the consequences of their actions.

Really~ Explain this to me.



Do you care give a damn he has been leaching off the tax payers, for years and years and years. Course he is white so stealing from the tax payers is A Okay!

He is a damn racist and even some from the GOP backed away from disgusting racist remarks. Sadly many still supporrt him.

On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle".[4] BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a roundup of such livestock on April 5, and an arrest was made the next day. On April 12, a group of protesters, some of them armed,[5] advanced on what the BLM described as a "cattle gather."[6] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director Neil Kornze,[7] who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation.[8][9]

After making remarks about whether black people would be better off as slaves than under government subsidies, Bundy was widely condemned, and was repudiated by conservative politicians and talk-show hosts who had previously supported him, many of whom forcefully condemned his remarks as racist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

So Prism, don't play stupid games with me! Turn about is fair play.

[Prism]

35. Your only defense is nonsequitur and misdirection

The topic at hand is the BART disruption. If you have no defense of it other than, "There's a bad white guy over here!" your argument is very thin, indeed. It's actually no argument at all. What does that protester have to do with the action and consequence chain of the BART situation?

What defense do you have other than you support these protesters and thus want them to be treated as lightly as humanly possible?

In the real world, in the adult world, BART has every incentive to come down as hard as possible. If they were to slap the protesters on the wrist, the protesters would know they could get away with disrupting a vital and necessary public transportation network again and again.

That is unacceptable. To BART, to the public, and to many of us who support the cause of police accountability, equal justice, and independent investigations of police violence.

BART isn't against the black community by bringing charges. BART is supporting the ENTIRE community. And in Alameda County, that means they are supporting many African Americans' right to get to their jobs, their families, and their lives.

You may not care about the very real and tangible consequences of these protesters' actions. That's fine. But to claim that keeping vital public transportation systems operational and accessible is somehow against the black community is cynical, false, and perniciously opportunistic.

It's a lie, and an ideologically self-serving one.

[Nye Bevan]

36. How is disrupting the commutes of working and middle class people

going to help stop police misconduct? Shutting down public transportation, after all, does not affect the 1% traveling in their limos. But it does reduce the income of hourly paid workers.