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Cha

(295,543 posts)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:24 PM Jan 2015

Senator Announces Democrats Have Enough Votes To Sustain An Obama Veto Of Keystone XL



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Schumer said, “I think there will be enough Democratic votes to sustain the president’s veto…Our Republican colleagues say that this is a jobs bill but that really is not true at all. By most estimates it would create several thousand temporary construction jobs and only 35 permanent jobs…Why create very few jobs with the dirtiest of energy from tar sands when you can create tens of thousands more clean jobs using wind and solar? Our Republican colleagues are doing what they always do: they’re appeasing a few special interests — in this case oil companies and pipeline companies and not really doing what’s good for the average middle class family in terms of creating jobs.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/04/senator-announces-democrats-votes-sustain-obama-veto-keystone-xl.html

Senator Schumer! Yeah, if the republicons want "Jobs" so bad.. pass Bernie's Bill!

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/03/bernie-sanders-flexes-muscles-introducing-bill-create-13-million-jobs.html





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Senator Announces Democrats Have Enough Votes To Sustain An Obama Veto Of Keystone XL (Original Post) Cha Jan 2015 OP
Yes, I'm kicking my own thread. 'cause I want the news out there. Cha Jan 2015 #1
I'm kicking it for the same reason madokie Jan 2015 #7
Happy New Year, madokie! Cha Jan 2015 #9
Thank you madokie Jan 2015 #13
Never Never Never Give UP! Cha Jan 2015 #16
only when one gives up do they truly fail madokie Jan 2015 #18
Exactly my philosophy. Cha Jan 2015 #24
I'll join you, madokie! calimary Jan 2015 #96
K & R n/t jaysunb Jan 2015 #2
Mahalo Jay! Cha Jan 2015 #3
Happy New Year Cha ! jaysunb Jan 2015 #6
Thank you.. backatcha! Cha Jan 2015 #8
k/r Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #4
Thank you Dawson Leery! Cha Jan 2015 #5
Rec and kick! zappaman Jan 2015 #10
"Real Democrats".. "the only true really really true Democrats".. Just 'cause they wanted it Cha Jan 2015 #19
Wait What sheshe2 Jan 2015 #26
I guess Obama is too busy being pro torture and invading Syria. zappaman Jan 2015 #29
Let the games begin! livetohike Jan 2015 #11
Happy New Year, livetohike! He's Back.. and he's got the Big Pen and lots of INK! Cha Jan 2015 #25
Not only do we have the votes DFW Jan 2015 #12
So Good, DFW.. I was so appreciative of Senator Schumer saying this on FTN! Cha Jan 2015 #31
With Reid's injuries needing time to heal, Schumer now has to step up or shut up DFW Jan 2015 #39
Really.. that's right, I momentarily forgot about poor Harry's conditon. Get Well Sen Reid! Cha Jan 2015 #45
Woot! What I've been thinking (& saying) for months: PBO's been laying out the case to shut it down Hekate Jan 2015 #14
Yes he has, Hekate.. and now he's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! With his Cha Jan 2015 #33
K&R! Omaha Steve Jan 2015 #15
Mahalo Steve! Cha Jan 2015 #35
"if the republicons want "Jobs" so bad.. pass Bernie's Bill! " arcane1 Jan 2015 #17
Thank you for reading that, arcane! And, how about that Schumer?! Cha Jan 2015 #21
Indeed! arcane1 Jan 2015 #46
K&R proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #20
Thank you, proverbialwisdom! Cha Jan 2015 #37
Good news! Spazito Jan 2015 #22
Yes, Spazito.. I didn't know and to hear Sen Schumer actually tell the FACTS about Keystone on FTN.. Cha Jan 2015 #43
K&R Go Vols Jan 2015 #23
Thank you, Go Vols! Cha Jan 2015 #49
Good for them. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #27
So glad most of the Dems are on board being against the bogus Keystone for Jobs meme! Cha Jan 2015 #53
happy new year, Cha AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #58
A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #28
A Big Fat Mahalo, CalPeggy! Cha Jan 2015 #54
Kick it Cha! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #30
How about that Sen Schumer on TV saying "Why create very few jobs with the dirtiest of energy from Cha Jan 2015 #57
Bless his heart. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #64
And, somewhere Sen McConnell is not smiling about the President's big ol VETO PEN. LOL Cha Jan 2015 #66
Poor Mitch! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #68
now watcjh the blue dogs try to mess this up. DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #32
I thought Senator Schumer was considered a "blue dog".. "corporate dem"? .. and please what did Cha Jan 2015 #34
here ya go DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #40
video AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #47
Oh wow! thank you, DonCoquixote.. big dog got it WRONG.. the FACTS are Against him! Cha Jan 2015 #48
what is sad is DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #50
I have no idea.. but, it will be interesting to see what she has to say when the President VETOES Cha Jan 2015 #56
Hillary has already indicated she will follow the Alison Grimes strategy Cali_Democrat Jan 2015 #103
The funny thing about Grimes JonLP24 Jan 2015 #129
He is right about the details JonLP24 Jan 2015 #128
K&R silverweb Jan 2015 #36
silverweb.. Cha Jan 2015 #59
My pleasure! silverweb Jan 2015 #61
Take that, you chinless %^$# TheCowsCameHome Jan 2015 #38
Poor McConnell.. up against the Evil VETO PEN! Cha Jan 2015 #63
K&R mcar Jan 2015 #41
Mahalo mcar! Cha Jan 2015 #65
Misleading headline is misleading. "I think there will be" =/= "There are" DRoseDARs Jan 2015 #42
Actually it's a headline from the site.. and I don't think Sen Schumer would be saying that if he Cha Jan 2015 #69
Hurray! Time for the Happy Dance! Take THAT, GOP, Koch brothers, etc.! freshwest Jan 2015 #44
Wow, Good POint, fresh.. thank you! Keystone would increase Koch's networth to $200 Billion in Cha Jan 2015 #70
Boehner will likewise be bowed. He frontloaded Keystone fast track into every CR since 2009. freshwest Jan 2015 #74
I had no idea.. good little koch boys! Definitely a Civil War..and yes it is very Cha Jan 2015 #75
Highly recommend. K/R Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #51
Mahalo mucho, Jefferson! Cha Jan 2015 #71
You're always most welcome, Cha. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #109
K&r... spanone Jan 2015 #52
Hey, Aloha, spanone! "Mitch McConnell: Keystone XL Pipeline Will Be My First Bill" Cha Jan 2015 #72
Kicked. n/t GP6971 Jan 2015 #55
Good. Ed Schultz has been doing great shows on KXL. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #60
Good to know, SunSeeker. I really don't see how anybody who's into reality and doesn't want to Cha Jan 2015 #73
Yes, and I like what the Cowboy Indian Alliance has been doing. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #83
A Hand Painted Tepee as a gift for Pres Obama to represent hopes for protected land and clean water! Cha Jan 2015 #85
Exactly! Kath1 Jan 2015 #92
Yes, Daryl Hannah.. love her activism, Kath! The vid that SunSeeker posted is from around Cha Jan 2015 #93
Let Obama's veto stand. Let all of his vetos stand. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #62
Right On, JD! Cha Jan 2015 #76
OR, they're going to wrap KXL up with pretty bows of wind & solar so it will pass without -too- much RiverLover Jan 2015 #67
We'll see.. Cha Jan 2015 #78
One of those "pretty bows" would kill the KXL deal. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #84
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #88
You don't like what I said, so you call me a troll? RiverLover Jan 2015 #90
You better believe it. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #94
This would be a good use of the veto Gothmog Jan 2015 #77
Yes, I can't wait to get it over and done with and on to the next VETO! Cha Jan 2015 #79
Why do the GOP, the Koch brothers, and Bill Clinton hate America? tularetom Jan 2015 #80
They make $$$$$$$ off of hating America. Cha Jan 2015 #82
Death warrant to our environment & people’: Native Americans say no to Keystone XL Cha Jan 2015 #81
K Cha Jan 2015 #86
K Cha Jan 2015 #87
I'm sure they are keeping the list close to the chest davidpdx Jan 2015 #89
Yes, I would imagine.. don't want anyone trying to change their minds. Cha Jan 2015 #91
you're assuming, of course, that he'd veto it. He might bigtree Jan 2015 #95
Great to hear this, thanks for posting! beerandjesus Jan 2015 #97
K&R nt Andy823 Jan 2015 #98
Uh, that's a whopping 34 votes. jeff47 Jan 2015 #99
I'll take my victories where they come, jeff. kochs wants the Keystone and McConnell is determined Cha Jan 2015 #106
That's a little like the victory of getting dressed in the morning jeff47 Jan 2015 #107
Sheeesh.. If Keystone is stopped it's a Victory. Cha Jan 2015 #108
Unfortunately for some, acknowledging a victory would mean giving Obama some credit. great white snark Jan 2015 #116
Maybe that's it.. couldn't figure out their Problem.. it will be a HUGE Victory! Cha Jan 2015 #124
I'll cross my fingers...but he does say he "thinks" they have the votes... joeybee12 Jan 2015 #100
Kicked and recommended. n/t Duval Jan 2015 #101
A veto on KXL won't happen fast enough. blackspade Jan 2015 #102
Same page, blackspade! Cha Jan 2015 #112
I suddenly smell a nasty trick, though... Grown2Hate Jan 2015 #104
With oil at < $50 a barrell, why is this project still a thing? Yavin4 Jan 2015 #105
Kochs want it. Cha Jan 2015 #130
They can want it all they want. They're still going lose money on it. Yavin4 Jan 2015 #131
Copy that. Cha Jan 2015 #135
Kick sheshe2 Jan 2015 #110
mahalo she.. our electricity went out again. Cha Jan 2015 #113
Geez Cha~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #114
Sweet BIL! Cha Jan 2015 #115
Hug~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #119
.. Cha Jan 2015 #122
Good news, thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #111
"...pipeline companies..." greiner3 Jan 2015 #117
Good! another_liberal Jan 2015 #118
Democrats, please don't break our hearts Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2015 #120
The Fact This Might Even Be An Issue Is Disgusting 1step Jan 2015 #121
Kick! Like!! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #123
Aloha Blanche! Cha Jan 2015 #125
Oh, the Irony--this will prob. be one of the first veto's by a Dem. President and riversedge Jan 2015 #126
President Obama has VETOED one or two other bills before this.. but, this will be grand, riveredge.. Cha Jan 2015 #127
Numbers yes swilton Jan 2015 #132
Yes, I can't wait until its a Done Deal, swilton! Cha Jan 2015 #134
If Obama vetoes this legislation (which is sure to come but hasn't yet)....... RationalMan Jan 2015 #133

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. Thank you
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jan 2015

Happy New Year to you Cha

Let us keep up the necessary work for the good fight. If we don't give up, in the end we will win

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
10. Rec and kick!
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

Wait....I thought Obama was pushing this thru!
That's what all the self proclaimed "real Democrats" on DU told me.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
19. "Real Democrats".. "the only true really really true Democrats".. Just 'cause they wanted it
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jan 2015

to be so doesn't make it happen.

mahalo zappaman~

sheshe2

(83,138 posts)
26. Wait What
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jan 2015

I need to change my frequency channel for DU. My head hurts from all the screeching I am hearing. I keep thinking I am in the twilight zone zappaman.










DFW

(53,933 posts)
12. Not only do we have the votes
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

Those Democrats who would support the pipeline are few in number. Like Landrieu, some of the supporters are no longer members of the US Senate. Those who oppose are mostly still around, and certainly more than 34 in number.

DFW

(53,933 posts)
39. With Reid's injuries needing time to heal, Schumer now has to step up or shut up
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jan 2015

I'm pleased to see he has opted for the former (in this case, at least!)

Cha

(295,543 posts)
45. Really.. that's right, I momentarily forgot about poor Harry's conditon. Get Well Sen Reid!
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jan 2015

Hekate

(89,977 posts)
14. Woot! What I've been thinking (& saying) for months: PBO's been laying out the case to shut it down
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:48 PM
Jan 2015

Hele on!

Spazito

(49,523 posts)
22. Good news!
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jan 2015

I was pretty sure the numbers would be there but it is good to have it confirmed by Senator Schumer.

Happy New Years, Cha!

Cha

(295,543 posts)
43. Yes, Spazito.. I didn't know and to hear Sen Schumer actually tell the FACTS about Keystone on FTN..
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jan 2015

is something to behold!

Happy New Year, Spaz!

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
27. Good for them.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jan 2015

While the Democrats are finally telling the truth about Keystone, I'm looking forward to hearing Hillary weasel her way out of this sticky wicket.

Keystone Pipeline Lobbyists were Hillary Clinton Fundraisers
link: http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/keystone-pipeline-lobbyists-were-hillary-clinton-fundraisers?news=844095

Environmental group Friends of the Earth (FOE) last week sued the State Department for access to communications between it and lobbyists promoting the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, two of whom were prominent fundraisers for the 2008 presidential campaign of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. That project, in which Canadian oil company TransCanada wants to build nearly 2,000 miles of pipeline to carry tar sands oil from Alberta, Canada, to refineries on the Gulf of Mexico, requires a presidential permit from the State Department. FOE originally filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for the materials in 2010.

Two of the lobbyists named in the FOIA request, Gordon Giffin of McKenna, Long & Aldridge, and James Blanchard of DLA Piper, were fundraising bundlers for Clinton’s presidential bid, and DLA Piper was the largest single corporate source of employee and PAC contributions to her campaign. Both Blanchard and Giffin served as U.S. Ambassador to Canada under President Bill Clinton, Blanchard from 1993-1997 and Giffin from 1997-2001.

A third pipeline lobbyist, Paul Elliott, worked on Clinton’s campaign as national deputy director and chief of staff for delegate selection. Although the Obama administration recently rejected the permit, TransCanada is preparing a new permit application, leading Damon Moglen, climate and energy project director at FOE, to explain the continued relevance of the request: “The communications we seek are key to ensuring that the State Department isn’t letting lobbyists’ personal connections to Secretary Clinton or President Obama bias its decision-making.”

Cha

(295,543 posts)
53. So glad most of the Dems are on board being against the bogus Keystone for Jobs meme!
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:39 PM
Jan 2015

I just saw DonCoquixote's post about Pres Clinton being for it.. smh.. and now here's Hillary with the Keystone fundraising.. although in 2012. Wonder if she's having any second thoughts about this?

Happy New Year, AK and Mahalo~

Cha

(295,543 posts)
57. How about that Sen Schumer on TV saying "Why create very few jobs with the dirtiest of energy from
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jan 2015
tar sands when you can create tens of thousands more clean jobs using wind and solar!?

You know somewhere Pres Gore is smiling, she!

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
32. now watcjh the blue dogs try to mess this up.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jan 2015

BTW, Hillary, your actual opinion on this would be useful now, and no, not the one your husband already blurted out, unless, of course, he speaks for you.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
34. I thought Senator Schumer was considered a "blue dog".. "corporate dem"? .. and please what did
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jan 2015

Pres Clinton have to say about this?

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
40. here ya go
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73445.html

Bill Clinton on Keystone XL pipeline: 'Embrace' it

"One of the most amazing things to me about this Keystone pipeline deal is that they ever filed that route in the first place since they could've gone around the Nebraska Sandhills and avoided most of the dangers, no matter how imagined, to the Ogallala [aquifer] with a different route, which I presume we'll get now, because the extra cost of running is infinitesimal compared to the revenue that will be generated over a long period of time," he said.

"So, I think we should embrace it and develop a stakeholder-driven system of high standards for doing the work," Clinton added.


Now, as many will say "Hillary is not her husband" yes, which means she can get right out there on Tv and support Obama for beign resistsant to this pipeline, or wait till 2016 till we have to choke down a vote against Jeb that will unfrtunately be a vote for her, and then she goes ahead and lets that pipeline run rught through. The fact she is silent where he husband is loud only reinforce the idea that he does the talking and she is silent?



Cha

(295,543 posts)
48. Oh wow! thank you, DonCoquixote.. big dog got it WRONG.. the FACTS are Against him!
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jan 2015

Yeah, I can see why you want Hillary to speak out on this.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
50. what is sad is
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jan 2015

Hillary could speak out. Hell, suppose for the sake of argument, she was oppposed to him? Does she really think that there will not be bottles of champagne popped to see her finally give Bill some badly needed come-uppance? Does she think the feminists will abandon HER for HIM?

If she were to make an HONEST left turn, she would be Joan of Arc with a laser beam. Yes, some donors will be scared, but others would dare not even look like they were slinking away.

No, I fear, and I hope I am wrong, it is because she knows she need Bill to be the smooth "minister of slpaining stuff." if true, that is a tragedy.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
56. I have no idea.. but, it will be interesting to see what she has to say when the President VETOES
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jan 2015

the Keystone that McConnell wants so badly for Kochs.

Atomic Kitten posted that the Keystones were fundraising for Hillary in 2012..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6041818

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
103. Hillary has already indicated she will follow the Alison Grimes strategy
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jan 2015

and run away from Obama and to the right.

So my guess is that she won't speak out against the Keystone pipeline.

This strategy proved disastrous for people like Grimes and Landriu....but Clinton probably thinks she can pull it off.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
129. The funny thing about Grimes
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:37 AM
Jan 2015

is she did because of coal country's anger towards Obama but the 8 counties McConnell improved on the most since 2008 were all coal counties including Harlan which hasn't voted Republican in over 50 years (they still voted Dem for the State Senate though).

She basically only won Louisville. She would have been better off forfeiting coal country and embracing Kynect (Obamacare).

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
128. He is right about the details
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:33 AM
Jan 2015

which is why I favor it over the bomb trains but long term it is probably better to reject it.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
69. Actually it's a headline from the site.. and I don't think Sen Schumer would be saying that if he
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jan 2015

didn't have the votes.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
44. Hurray! Time for the Happy Dance! Take THAT, GOP, Koch brothers, etc.!
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jan 2015
Talk about getting money out of politics, this is something that PBO stressed on this deal:

It would increase the net worth of the Koch brothers from $100B to $200B in one year and he knows what they would do with that money!





Cha

(295,543 posts)
70. Wow, Good POint, fresh.. thank you! Keystone would increase Koch's networth to $200 Billion in
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jan 2015

one year?! I knew they'd hate Pres Obama's VETO PEN on this!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
74. Boehner will likewise be bowed. He frontloaded Keystone fast track into every CR since 2009.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:14 AM
Jan 2015

In 2010, Charles Koch directly threatened Obama if it was not allowed to go through. Their revenge was the Tea Party, the 2011 CR fight, followed by all the others. Our Leo withstood them, waiting for the public to get wise to the danger of it. PBO spoke in meetings for a Constitutional Amendment to repeal Citizens United as he cannot repeal it. That requires action in the states, though, and the voters let him down by not showing up to polls to defeat the GOP and get it passed.

Our last win was the 18 YO vote and last loss was the ERA which came close, but failed. It would have done so much but there seem to be even worse forces attacking the ERA and a repeal of CU than then.

Obama will find a way, back door if he has to use one, to get it done. He's just about gotten all the liberal social agenda done with no help whatsoever from the other branches of government, making the older ways seemingly irrelevant.

He's got his eyes on the prize, Cha. It's a Civil War. Interesting Obama came into office from the same state as Lincoln...

Cha

(295,543 posts)
75. I had no idea.. good little koch boys! Definitely a Civil War..and yes it is very
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:18 AM
Jan 2015

interesting that President Obama hails from Illinois via Hawaii.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
72. Hey, Aloha, spanone! "Mitch McConnell: Keystone XL Pipeline Will Be My First Bill"
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:57 AM
Jan 2015
Pissing off the right people!

Mitch McConnell: Keystone XL Pipeline Will Be My First Bill

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/keystone-pipeline_n_6336576.html

SunSeeker

(51,302 posts)
60. Good. Ed Schultz has been doing great shows on KXL.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:57 PM
Jan 2015

Last week he chronicled how he himself went from being pro-KXL to strongly anti-KXL the more he learned about it, particularly after he went to speak with people who live along the proposed route. Hopefully more of our representatives will get educated and realize what a stupid project this would be for us.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
73. Good to know, SunSeeker. I really don't see how anybody who's into reality and doesn't want to
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:09 AM
Jan 2015

fatten Kochs' pockets by a $100 billion would be advocating it.

Our Native Americans are Definitely Against it.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
85. A Hand Painted Tepee as a gift for Pres Obama to represent hopes for protected land and clean water!
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:42 AM
Jan 2015

Don't threaten our drinking water and water for our crops!

"Cowboy and Indian Alliance" I like that name.. they want to protect their Livelihood of the heartland.



Really interesting.. thank you, SunSeeker!

Cha

(295,543 posts)
93. Yes, Daryl Hannah.. love her activism, Kath! The vid that SunSeeker posted is from around
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jan 2015

Earth Day last year and is really informative! Mahalo!

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
67. OR, they're going to wrap KXL up with pretty bows of wind & solar so it will pass without -too- much
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:09 AM
Jan 2015

political fallout...

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Sunday that Democrats will try to improve a pending bill that would approve the Keystone XL pipeline, but that even with those improvements, he believes President Barack Obama should veto the legislation.

"These amendments will make it better but certainly not good enough at this point in time," Schumer, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I think there will be enough Democratic votes to sustain the president's veto. We need a much different energy policy."

Republicans in the Senate are expected to quickly take up a bill on the Keystone pipeline after gaining control of the upper chamber this week. Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in an interview aired Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" that Senate Republicans would work to approve the pipeline, which McConnell said "would put a lot of people to work almost immediately."

...Schumer said there will be amendments saying that steel used in the pipeline must come from the U.S. and that oil from the pipeline should not be exported to other countries. Another amendment, he said, would add more jobs in wind and solar energy. But even with those amendments, Schumer said he believes Democrats would sustain a presidential veto. Obama has not said how he would respond to the legislation.

"Our Republican colleagues say that this is a jobs bill but that really is not true at all. ... And so Democrats are dubious of this, but we’re going to introduce amendments to make it more of a jobs bill," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/04/chuck-schumer-keystone-pipeline_n_6413004.html

SunSeeker

(51,302 posts)
84. One of those "pretty bows" would kill the KXL deal.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:39 AM
Jan 2015
Schumer said there will be amendments saying that steel used in the pipeline must come from the U.S. and that oil from the pipeline should not be exported to other countries.


Considering that the whole reason for the pipeline is so that Canadian shale oil can be sold to other countries, why do you think that amendment would make it pass?

Sure sounds like a poison pill, not a "pretty bow."

Response to RiverLover (Reply #67)

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
90. You don't like what I said, so you call me a troll?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:27 AM
Jan 2015

Or it could be I used to post on Huffpo, then got a promotion & very busy, then was transferred to Ohio & started learning about fracking & started going to the environmental group here at DU, then learned my way to the GD, & got totally addicted since I'm surrounded by republicans in my real life & finally it was like being back at Huffpo & I got addicted.

But what a great way to welcome me.

And thanks for helping me break my addiction Major Hogwash. Fitting name.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
80. Why do the GOP, the Koch brothers, and Bill Clinton hate America?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jan 2015

The president is right on target here. We assume all the environmental risks, Canadian corporations make all the profits (assuming they can make a profit selling this stuff at $50 a barrel), and China winds up with the oil.

This is a no brainer. If you support this deal, you hate America.

Although, given the current competitive nature of oil pricing, I'd be surprised if this boondoggle ever becomes a reality. I think the republicans realize that too, they just want to stick it to Obama.

Unfortunately, he's a few moves ahead of them.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
81. Death warrant to our environment & people’: Native Americans say no to Keystone XL
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:50 AM
Jan 2015

snip//

Dozens of Native Americans have descended on Washington DC on the first weekend of 2015 to stage a protest in front of the White House against the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline, which they call a disastrous “death warrant” to the environment and people.

The “No to KXL rally”, organized by Native American leaders and environmental groups, paraded in the Lafayette Square against the pipeline that would channel oil from the Canadian tar sands through to the US to refineries in Texas.


MOre
http://rt.com/usa/219643-keystone-pipeline-protest-washington/

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
89. I'm sure they are keeping the list close to the chest
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:10 AM
Jan 2015

That has to mean there are quite a few Republicans willing to vote against it as well. I guess for once it's good to see something on a bipartisan basis.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
91. Yes, I would imagine.. don't want anyone trying to change their minds.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jan 2015

We'll soon know.. fingers crossed!

Happy New Year, david~

bigtree

(85,813 posts)
95. you're assuming, of course, that he'd veto it. He might
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:38 PM - Edit history (1)

... and while I'd certainly welcome that veto, I'd be looking at the reason why he made the decision.

We still don't know whether his delays and reasoning he's given (to let the Nebraska legislature decide on a route) is sincere, or if it's a way to delay the project until it dies on its own because of investor disinterest.

If Nebraska decides on a route, will the President come out in favor of the project? Or, is his objection just a dissent against the bypassing of his own authority to decide, yea or nay?

Thing is, there hasn't been any statement from President Obama which matches the objections of environmentalists who actually have detailed their opposition to the project and to tar sand extraction, as well as the oil pipeline. That dissonance with those publicly opposed to the project leaves a great deal of ambiguity over his ultimate intentions - his ultimate actions - especially with many polls suggesting a majority of public support for approving the pipeline.


Mark Knoller ?@markknoller 1m1 minute ago (2:37)

WH concerned about construction of Keystone Pipeline, but @PressSec stops short of saying if Pres Obama would veto a bill approving it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
99. Uh, that's a whopping 34 votes.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jan 2015

Not exactly a challenge to wrangle that.

Also, a veto can be sustained with 134 votes in the House. There's 201 Democrats in the House. We cheering that a veto would be sustained there too?

Cha

(295,543 posts)
106. I'll take my victories where they come, jeff. kochs wants the Keystone and McConnell is determined
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jan 2015

to get it for them. I don't care how little it takes to make it so the veto isn't overridden.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
107. That's a little like the victory of getting dressed in the morning
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jan 2015

If that's what we've been reduced to, we have a very, very, very long way to go.

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
116. Unfortunately for some, acknowledging a victory would mean giving Obama some credit.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:03 PM
Jan 2015

Thank you for this Cha.

Grown2Hate

(2,002 posts)
104. I suddenly smell a nasty trick, though...
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jan 2015

...are gas prices being lowered artificially right now so that they can blame the Democrats for helping veto this pipeline, and therefore start raising the price again, citing the veto? Either way, VETO the pipeline, but be aware of the trickery. #MaybeImParanoidButIDoubtIt

Yavin4

(35,310 posts)
105. With oil at < $50 a barrell, why is this project still a thing?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jan 2015

If it went forward, it could not make its money back.

Yavin4

(35,310 posts)
131. They can want it all they want. They're still going lose money on it.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jan 2015

The Saudis are pricing oil at a level that makes tar sands drilling unprofitable.

sheshe2

(83,138 posts)
114. Geez Cha~
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jan 2015

That just plain stinks.

My BIL use to say it was those lazy ass squirrels running the generators that are at fault



They are getting to fat and lazy



Cha

(295,543 posts)
115. Sweet BIL!
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jan 2015

I'm going into the big city now.. just wanted to check in before I catch bus.

Have fun, she!

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
117. "...pipeline companies..."
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jan 2015

Isn't Koch Industries the world's largest supplier of oil drilling equipment and as for actual oil pipelines;

"Koch Pipeline Company LP, which owns and operates 4,000 miles (6,400 km) of pipeline used to transport oil, natural gas liquids and chemicals. Its pipelines are located across Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas, Missouri, Iowa, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Alberta, Canada. The firm operates offices in Wichita, Kansas, St. Paul, Minnesota and Corpus Christi, Texas."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries#Koch_Pipeline_Company_LP

riversedge

(69,537 posts)
126. Oh, the Irony--this will prob. be one of the first veto's by a Dem. President and
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:45 AM
Jan 2015

the dems in the congress will sustain it. whow.

Cha

(295,543 posts)
127. President Obama has VETOED one or two other bills before this.. but, this will be grand, riveredge..
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:30 AM
Jan 2015

A BFD! I cannot wait until it's a done deal.

RationalMan

(96 posts)
133. If Obama vetoes this legislation (which is sure to come but hasn't yet).......
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jan 2015

then any Democrat that would vote to override must be marginalized.

Most of the Blue Dogs have been voted out of office. We need to galvanize around a core of true progressives and expand that circle. This is the way the Republicans did it. In their case they found a core of nut-cases and built on them but for Democrats it is finding officials that are true progressives.

We can build from there. I challenge that any Democrat that would vote to override a veto of any eventual Keystone bill is a traitor and must be treated as such.

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