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Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:24 PM

Senator Announces Democrats Have Enough Votes To Sustain An Obama Veto Of Keystone XL



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Schumer said, “I think there will be enough Democratic votes to sustain the president’s veto…Our Republican colleagues say that this is a jobs bill but that really is not true at all. By most estimates it would create several thousand temporary construction jobs and only 35 permanent jobs…Why create very few jobs with the dirtiest of energy from tar sands when you can create tens of thousands more clean jobs using wind and solar? Our Republican colleagues are doing what they always do: they’re appeasing a few special interests — in this case oil companies and pipeline companies and not really doing what’s good for the average middle class family in terms of creating jobs.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/04/senator-announces-democrats-votes-sustain-obama-veto-keystone-xl.html

Senator Schumer! Yeah, if the republicons want "Jobs" so bad.. pass Bernie's Bill!

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/03/bernie-sanders-flexes-muscles-introducing-bill-create-13-million-jobs.html





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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:30 PM

1. Yes, I'm kicking my own thread. 'cause I want the news out there.

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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:38 PM

7. I'm kicking it for the same reason


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Response to madokie (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:39 PM

9. Happy New Year, madokie!

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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:42 PM

13. Thank you

Happy New Year to you Cha

Let us keep up the necessary work for the good fight. If we don't give up, in the end we will win

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Response to madokie (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:54 PM

16. Never Never Never Give UP!

Great thought for New Year of the Obama VETO!

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:56 PM

18. only when one gives up do they truly fail

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Response to madokie (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:01 PM

24. Exactly my philosophy.

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Response to madokie (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:23 AM

96. I'll join you, madokie!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:31 PM

2. K & R n/t

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:33 PM

3. Mahalo Jay!

Happy New Year!

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:38 PM

6. Happy New Year Cha !

Good health and happiness to you for 2015.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:39 PM

8. Thank you.. backatcha!


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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:34 PM

4. k/r

There have to be 34 Democrats.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:37 PM

5. Thank you Dawson Leery!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:41 PM

10. Rec and kick!

Wait....I thought Obama was pushing this thru!
That's what all the self proclaimed "real Democrats" on DU told me.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:57 PM

19. "Real Democrats".. "the only true really really true Democrats".. Just 'cause they wanted it

to be so doesn't make it happen.

mahalo zappaman~

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Response to zappaman (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:06 PM

26. Wait What

I need to change my frequency channel for DU. My head hurts from all the screeching I am hearing. I keep thinking I am in the twilight zone zappaman.










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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:07 PM

29. I guess Obama is too busy being pro torture and invading Syria.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:41 PM

11. Let the games begin!

Happy New Year Cha!

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Response to livetohike (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:03 PM

25. Happy New Year, livetohike! He's Back.. and he's got the Big Pen and lots of INK!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:41 PM

12. Not only do we have the votes

Those Democrats who would support the pipeline are few in number. Like Landrieu, some of the supporters are no longer members of the US Senate. Those who oppose are mostly still around, and certainly more than 34 in number.

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Response to DFW (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:09 PM

31. So Good, DFW.. I was so appreciative of Senator Schumer saying this on FTN!

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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:19 PM

39. With Reid's injuries needing time to heal, Schumer now has to step up or shut up

I'm pleased to see he has opted for the former (in this case, at least!)

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Response to DFW (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:22 PM

45. Really.. that's right, I momentarily forgot about poor Harry's conditon. Get Well Sen Reid!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:48 PM

14. Woot! What I've been thinking (& saying) for months: PBO's been laying out the case to shut it down

Hele on!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:11 PM

33. Yes he has, Hekate.. and now he's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! With his

PEN!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:52 PM

15. K&R!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:15 PM

35. Mahalo Steve!

Happy New Year!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:55 PM

17. "if the republicons want "Jobs" so bad.. pass Bernie's Bill! "

 

Damn right!

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:59 PM

21. Thank you for reading that, arcane! And, how about that Schumer?!

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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:23 PM

46. Indeed!

 

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:58 PM

20. K&R

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:17 PM

37. Thank you, proverbialwisdom!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:00 PM

22. Good news!

I was pretty sure the numbers would be there but it is good to have it confirmed by Senator Schumer.

Happy New Years, Cha!

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Response to Spazito (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:21 PM

43. Yes, Spazito.. I didn't know and to hear Sen Schumer actually tell the FACTS about Keystone on FTN..

is something to behold!

Happy New Year, Spaz!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:01 PM

23. K&R

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:29 PM

49. Thank you, Go Vols!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:06 PM

27. Good for them.

 

While the Democrats are finally telling the truth about Keystone, I'm looking forward to hearing Hillary weasel her way out of this sticky wicket.

Keystone Pipeline Lobbyists were Hillary Clinton Fundraisers
link: http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/keystone-pipeline-lobbyists-were-hillary-clinton-fundraisers?news=844095

Environmental group Friends of the Earth (FOE) last week sued the State Department for access to communications between it and lobbyists promoting the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, two of whom were prominent fundraisers for the 2008 presidential campaign of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. That project, in which Canadian oil company TransCanada wants to build nearly 2,000 miles of pipeline to carry tar sands oil from Alberta, Canada, to refineries on the Gulf of Mexico, requires a presidential permit from the State Department. FOE originally filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for the materials in 2010.

Two of the lobbyists named in the FOIA request, Gordon Giffin of McKenna, Long & Aldridge, and James Blanchard of DLA Piper, were fundraising bundlers for Clinton’s presidential bid, and DLA Piper was the largest single corporate source of employee and PAC contributions to her campaign. Both Blanchard and Giffin served as U.S. Ambassador to Canada under President Bill Clinton, Blanchard from 1993-1997 and Giffin from 1997-2001.

A third pipeline lobbyist, Paul Elliott, worked on Clinton’s campaign as national deputy director and chief of staff for delegate selection. Although the Obama administration recently rejected the permit, TransCanada is preparing a new permit application, leading Damon Moglen, climate and energy project director at FOE, to explain the continued relevance of the request: “The communications we seek are key to ensuring that the State Department isn’t letting lobbyists’ personal connections to Secretary Clinton or President Obama bias its decision-making.”

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:39 PM

53. So glad most of the Dems are on board being against the bogus Keystone for Jobs meme!

I just saw DonCoquixote's post about Pres Clinton being for it.. smh.. and now here's Hillary with the Keystone fundraising.. although in 2012. Wonder if she's having any second thoughts about this?

Happy New Year, AK and Mahalo~

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Response to Cha (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:55 PM

58. happy new year, Cha

 

Cheers.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:07 PM

28. A big, fat K&R!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:41 PM

54. A Big Fat Mahalo, CalPeggy!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:08 PM

30. Kick it Cha!



Hair on fire group in the house? Comments please.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:53 PM

57. How about that Sen Schumer on TV saying "Why create very few jobs with the dirtiest of energy from

tar sands when you can create tens of thousands more clean jobs using wind and solar!?

You know somewhere Pres Gore is smiling, she!

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Response to Cha (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:03 AM

64. Bless his heart.

Yes he is Cha.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:06 AM

66. And, somewhere Sen McConnell is not smiling about the President's big ol VETO PEN. LOL

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Response to Cha (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:14 AM

68. Poor Mitch!





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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:11 PM

32. now watcjh the blue dogs try to mess this up.

BTW, Hillary, your actual opinion on this would be useful now, and no, not the one your husband already blurted out, unless, of course, he speaks for you.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:14 PM

34. I thought Senator Schumer was considered a "blue dog".. "corporate dem"? .. and please what did

Pres Clinton have to say about this?

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Response to Cha (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:19 PM

40. here ya go

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73445.html

Bill Clinton on Keystone XL pipeline: 'Embrace' it

"One of the most amazing things to me about this Keystone pipeline deal is that they ever filed that route in the first place since they could've gone around the Nebraska Sandhills and avoided most of the dangers, no matter how imagined, to the Ogallala [aquifer] with a different route, which I presume we'll get now, because the extra cost of running is infinitesimal compared to the revenue that will be generated over a long period of time," he said.

"So, I think we should embrace it and develop a stakeholder-driven system of high standards for doing the work," Clinton added.


Now, as many will say "Hillary is not her husband" yes, which means she can get right out there on Tv and support Obama for beign resistsant to this pipeline, or wait till 2016 till we have to choke down a vote against Jeb that will unfrtunately be a vote for her, and then she goes ahead and lets that pipeline run rught through. The fact she is silent where he husband is loud only reinforce the idea that he does the talking and she is silent?



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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:25 PM

47. video

 

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:26 PM

48. Oh wow! thank you, DonCoquixote.. big dog got it WRONG.. the FACTS are Against him!

Yeah, I can see why you want Hillary to speak out on this.

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Response to Cha (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:34 PM

50. what is sad is

Hillary could speak out. Hell, suppose for the sake of argument, she was oppposed to him? Does she really think that there will not be bottles of champagne popped to see her finally give Bill some badly needed come-uppance? Does she think the feminists will abandon HER for HIM?

If she were to make an HONEST left turn, she would be Joan of Arc with a laser beam. Yes, some donors will be scared, but others would dare not even look like they were slinking away.

No, I fear, and I hope I am wrong, it is because she knows she need Bill to be the smooth "minister of slpaining stuff." if true, that is a tragedy.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:47 PM

56. I have no idea.. but, it will be interesting to see what she has to say when the President VETOES

the Keystone that McConnell wants so badly for Kochs.

Atomic Kitten posted that the Keystones were fundraising for Hillary in 2012..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6041818

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:05 PM

103. Hillary has already indicated she will follow the Alison Grimes strategy

 

and run away from Obama and to the right.

So my guess is that she won't speak out against the Keystone pipeline.

This strategy proved disastrous for people like Grimes and Landriu....but Clinton probably thinks she can pull it off.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #103)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:37 AM

129. The funny thing about Grimes

is she did because of coal country's anger towards Obama but the 8 counties McConnell improved on the most since 2008 were all coal counties including Harlan which hasn't voted Republican in over 50 years (they still voted Dem for the State Senate though).

She basically only won Louisville. She would have been better off forfeiting coal country and embracing Kynect (Obamacare).

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:33 AM

128. He is right about the details

which is why I favor it over the bomb trains but long term it is probably better to reject it.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:15 PM

36. K&R

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Excellent news!

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Response to silverweb (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:55 PM

59. silverweb..

mahalo!~

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Response to Cha (Reply #59)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:57 PM

61. My pleasure!

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Now off to work I go.

Carry on!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:18 PM

38. Take that, you chinless %^$#

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:03 AM

63. Poor McConnell.. up against the Evil VETO PEN!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:20 PM

41. K&R

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Response to mcar (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:04 AM

65. Mahalo mcar!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:20 PM

42. Misleading headline is misleading. "I think there will be" =/= "There are"

 

Clickbait.

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:19 AM

69. Actually it's a headline from the site.. and I don't think Sen Schumer would be saying that if he

didn't have the votes.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:22 PM

44. Hurray! Time for the Happy Dance! Take THAT, GOP, Koch brothers, etc.!

Talk about getting money out of politics, this is something that PBO stressed on this deal:

It would increase the net worth of the Koch brothers from $100B to $200B in one year and he knows what they would do with that money!





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Response to freshwest (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:24 AM

70. Wow, Good POint, fresh.. thank you! Keystone would increase Koch's networth to $200 Billion in

one year?! I knew they'd hate Pres Obama's VETO PEN on this!

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Response to Cha (Reply #70)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:14 AM

74. Boehner will likewise be bowed. He frontloaded Keystone fast track into every CR since 2009.

In 2010, Charles Koch directly threatened Obama if it was not allowed to go through. Their revenge was the Tea Party, the 2011 CR fight, followed by all the others. Our Leo withstood them, waiting for the public to get wise to the danger of it. PBO spoke in meetings for a Constitutional Amendment to repeal Citizens United as he cannot repeal it. That requires action in the states, though, and the voters let him down by not showing up to polls to defeat the GOP and get it passed.

Our last win was the 18 YO vote and last loss was the ERA which came close, but failed. It would have done so much but there seem to be even worse forces attacking the ERA and a repeal of CU than then.

Obama will find a way, back door if he has to use one, to get it done. He's just about gotten all the liberal social agenda done with no help whatsoever from the other branches of government, making the older ways seemingly irrelevant.

He's got his eyes on the prize, Cha. It's a Civil War. Interesting Obama came into office from the same state as Lincoln...

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Response to freshwest (Reply #74)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:18 AM

75. I had no idea.. good little koch boys! Definitely a Civil War..and yes it is very

interesting that President Obama hails from Illinois via Hawaii.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:36 PM

51. Highly recommend. K/R

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:40 AM

71. Mahalo mucho, Jefferson!

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Response to Cha (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:20 PM

109. You're always most welcome, Cha. n/t

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:38 PM

52. K&r...

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Response to spanone (Reply #52)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:57 AM

72. Hey, Aloha, spanone! "Mitch McConnell: Keystone XL Pipeline Will Be My First Bill"

Pissing off the right people!

Mitch McConnell: Keystone XL Pipeline Will Be My First Bill

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/keystone-pipeline_n_6336576.html

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:42 PM

55. Kicked. n/t

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:57 PM

60. Good. Ed Schultz has been doing great shows on KXL.

Last week he chronicled how he himself went from being pro-KXL to strongly anti-KXL the more he learned about it, particularly after he went to speak with people who live along the proposed route. Hopefully more of our representatives will get educated and realize what a stupid project this would be for us.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:09 AM

73. Good to know, SunSeeker. I really don't see how anybody who's into reality and doesn't want to

fatten Kochs' pockets by a $100 billion would be advocating it.

Our Native Americans are Definitely Against it.

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Response to Cha (Reply #73)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:28 AM

83. Yes, and I like what the Cowboy Indian Alliance has been doing.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #83)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:42 AM

85. A Hand Painted Tepee as a gift for Pres Obama to represent hopes for protected land and clean water!

Don't threaten our drinking water and water for our crops!

"Cowboy and Indian Alliance" I like that name.. they want to protect their Livelihood of the heartland.



Really interesting.. thank you, SunSeeker!

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Response to Cha (Reply #73)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:12 AM

92. Exactly!

Love that banner they are holding.



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And Daryl Hannah is with them!

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Response to Kath1 (Reply #92)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:49 AM

93. Yes, Daryl Hannah.. love her activism, Kath! The vid that SunSeeker posted is from around

Earth Day last year and is really informative! Mahalo!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:01 AM

62. Let Obama's veto stand. Let all of his vetos stand.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #62)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:32 AM

76. Right On, JD!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:09 AM

67. OR, they're going to wrap KXL up with pretty bows of wind & solar so it will pass without -too- much

political fallout...

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Sunday that Democrats will try to improve a pending bill that would approve the Keystone XL pipeline, but that even with those improvements, he believes President Barack Obama should veto the legislation.

"These amendments will make it better but certainly not good enough at this point in time," Schumer, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I think there will be enough Democratic votes to sustain the president's veto. We need a much different energy policy."

Republicans in the Senate are expected to quickly take up a bill on the Keystone pipeline after gaining control of the upper chamber this week. Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in an interview aired Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" that Senate Republicans would work to approve the pipeline, which McConnell said "would put a lot of people to work almost immediately."

...Schumer said there will be amendments saying that steel used in the pipeline must come from the U.S. and that oil from the pipeline should not be exported to other countries. Another amendment, he said, would add more jobs in wind and solar energy. But even with those amendments, Schumer said he believes Democrats would sustain a presidential veto. Obama has not said how he would respond to the legislation.

"Our Republican colleagues say that this is a jobs bill but that really is not true at all. ... And so Democrats are dubious of this, but we’re going to introduce amendments to make it more of a jobs bill," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/04/chuck-schumer-keystone-pipeline_n_6413004.html

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:00 AM

78. We'll see..

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:39 AM

84. One of those "pretty bows" would kill the KXL deal.

Schumer said there will be amendments saying that steel used in the pipeline must come from the U.S. and that oil from the pipeline should not be exported to other countries.


Considering that the whole reason for the pipeline is so that Canadian shale oil can be sold to other countries, why do you think that amendment would make it pass?

Sure sounds like a poison pill, not a "pretty bow."

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Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:27 AM

90. You don't like what I said, so you call me a troll?

Or it could be I used to post on Huffpo, then got a promotion & very busy, then was transferred to Ohio & started learning about fracking & started going to the environmental group here at DU, then learned my way to the GD, & got totally addicted since I'm surrounded by republicans in my real life & finally it was like being back at Huffpo & I got addicted.

But what a great way to welcome me.

And thanks for helping me break my addiction Major Hogwash. Fitting name.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #88)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:12 AM

94. You better believe it. nt

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:41 AM

77. This would be a good use of the veto

I am looking forward to this veto fight

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #77)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:19 AM

79. Yes, I can't wait to get it over and done with and on to the next VETO!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:44 AM

80. Why do the GOP, the Koch brothers, and Bill Clinton hate America?

The president is right on target here. We assume all the environmental risks, Canadian corporations make all the profits (assuming they can make a profit selling this stuff at $50 a barrel), and China winds up with the oil.

This is a no brainer. If you support this deal, you hate America.

Although, given the current competitive nature of oil pricing, I'd be surprised if this boondoggle ever becomes a reality. I think the republicans realize that too, they just want to stick it to Obama.

Unfortunately, he's a few moves ahead of them.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #80)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:27 AM

82. They make $$$$$$$ off of hating America.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:50 AM

81. Death warrant to our environment & people’: Native Americans say no to Keystone XL

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Dozens of Native Americans have descended on Washington DC on the first weekend of 2015 to stage a protest in front of the White House against the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline, which they call a disastrous “death warrant” to the environment and people.

The “No to KXL rally”, organized by Native American leaders and environmental groups, paraded in the Lafayette Square against the pipeline that would channel oil from the Canadian tar sands through to the US to refineries in Texas.


MOre
http://rt.com/usa/219643-keystone-pipeline-protest-washington/

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:57 AM

86. K

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Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:54 AM

87. K

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:10 AM

89. I'm sure they are keeping the list close to the chest

That has to mean there are quite a few Republicans willing to vote against it as well. I guess for once it's good to see something on a bipartisan basis.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #89)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:08 AM

91. Yes, I would imagine.. don't want anyone trying to change their minds.

We'll soon know.. fingers crossed!

Happy New Year, david~

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:00 AM

95. you're assuming, of course, that he'd veto it. He might

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... and while I'd certainly welcome that veto, I'd be looking at the reason why he made the decision.

We still don't know whether his delays and reasoning he's given (to let the Nebraska legislature decide on a route) is sincere, or if it's a way to delay the project until it dies on its own because of investor disinterest.

If Nebraska decides on a route, will the President come out in favor of the project? Or, is his objection just a dissent against the bypassing of his own authority to decide, yea or nay?

Thing is, there hasn't been any statement from President Obama which matches the objections of environmentalists who actually have detailed their opposition to the project and to tar sand extraction, as well as the oil pipeline. That dissonance with those publicly opposed to the project leaves a great deal of ambiguity over his ultimate intentions - his ultimate actions - especially with many polls suggesting a majority of public support for approving the pipeline.


Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 1m1 minute ago (2:37)

WH concerned about construction of Keystone Pipeline, but @PressSec stops short of saying if Pres Obama would veto a bill approving it.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:25 AM

97. Great to hear this, thanks for posting!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:45 AM

98. K&R nt

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:53 AM

99. Uh, that's a whopping 34 votes.

Not exactly a challenge to wrangle that.

Also, a veto can be sustained with 134 votes in the House. There's 201 Democrats in the House. We cheering that a veto would be sustained there too?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #99)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:05 PM

106. I'll take my victories where they come, jeff. kochs wants the Keystone and McConnell is determined

to get it for them. I don't care how little it takes to make it so the veto isn't overridden.

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Response to Cha (Reply #106)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:08 PM

107. That's a little like the victory of getting dressed in the morning

If that's what we've been reduced to, we have a very, very, very long way to go.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #107)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:11 PM

108. Sheeesh.. If Keystone is stopped it's a Victory.

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Response to Cha (Reply #108)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:03 PM

116. Unfortunately for some, acknowledging a victory would mean giving Obama some credit.

Thank you for this Cha.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #116)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:57 AM

124. Maybe that's it.. couldn't figure out their Problem.. it will be a HUGE Victory!

Mahalo Snark!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:00 PM

100. I'll cross my fingers...but he does say he "thinks" they have the votes...

 

I hope they do.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:25 PM

101. Kicked and recommended. n/t

 

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:54 PM

102. A veto on KXL won't happen fast enough.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #102)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:09 PM

112. Same page, blackspade!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:39 PM

104. I suddenly smell a nasty trick, though...

...are gas prices being lowered artificially right now so that they can blame the Democrats for helping veto this pipeline, and therefore start raising the price again, citing the veto? Either way, VETO the pipeline, but be aware of the trickery. #MaybeImParanoidButIDoubtIt

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:44 PM

105. With oil at < $50 a barrell, why is this project still a thing?

If it went forward, it could not make its money back.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #105)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:51 AM

130. Kochs want it.

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Response to Cha (Reply #130)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:16 AM

131. They can want it all they want. They're still going lose money on it.

The Saudis are pricing oil at a level that makes tar sands drilling unprofitable.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #131)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:30 AM

135. Copy that.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:51 PM

110. Kick

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #110)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:16 PM

113. mahalo she.. our electricity went out again.

getting old!

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Response to Cha (Reply #113)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:28 PM

114. Geez Cha~

That just plain stinks.

My BIL use to say it was those lazy ass squirrels running the generators that are at fault



They are getting to fat and lazy



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #114)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:39 PM

115. Sweet BIL!

I'm going into the big city now.. just wanted to check in before I catch bus.

Have fun, she!

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Response to Cha (Reply #115)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:54 PM

119. Hug~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #119)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:21 AM

122. ..

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:01 PM

111. Good news, thanks for posting. nm

 

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:05 PM

117. "...pipeline companies..."

 

Isn't Koch Industries the world's largest supplier of oil drilling equipment and as for actual oil pipelines;

"Koch Pipeline Company LP, which owns and operates 4,000 miles (6,400 km) of pipeline used to transport oil, natural gas liquids and chemicals. Its pipelines are located across Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas, Missouri, Iowa, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Alberta, Canada. The firm operates offices in Wichita, Kansas, St. Paul, Minnesota and Corpus Christi, Texas."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries#Koch_Pipeline_Company_LP

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:56 PM

118. Good!

 

Shut it down.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:57 PM

120. Democrats, please don't break our hearts

AGAIN! No pipeline!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:16 PM

121. The Fact This Might Even Be An Issue Is Disgusting

 

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:37 AM

123. Kick! Like!!

Thanks Cha!

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #123)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:41 AM

125. Aloha Blanche!

Muchas Gracias to you~

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:45 AM

126. Oh, the Irony--this will prob. be one of the first veto's by a Dem. President and

the dems in the congress will sustain it. whow.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #126)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:30 AM

127. President Obama has VETOED one or two other bills before this.. but, this will be grand, riveredge..

A BFD! I cannot wait until it's a done deal.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:28 PM

132. Numbers yes

 

Political will an entirely different matter

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Response to swilton (Reply #132)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:45 AM

134. Yes, I can't wait until its a Done Deal, swilton!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:11 PM

133. If Obama vetoes this legislation (which is sure to come but hasn't yet).......

then any Democrat that would vote to override must be marginalized.

Most of the Blue Dogs have been voted out of office. We need to galvanize around a core of true progressives and expand that circle. This is the way the Republicans did it. In their case they found a core of nut-cases and built on them but for Democrats it is finding officials that are true progressives.

We can build from there. I challenge that any Democrat that would vote to override a veto of any eventual Keystone bill is a traitor and must be treated as such.

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