"You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave."

[another_liberal]

You can "never leave" the European Union, that is. Or so an announcement by a spokesperson for the E. U. Commission would seem to imply.

Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras (R) welcomes European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker (AFP)


EU Commission on Grexit: 'Euro membership is irrevocable'


Amid growing concerns whether upcoming elections in Greece will lead to the country exiting the euro zone, an EU Commission spokesperson said membership cannot be revoked. European Commission spokesperson for Jobs, Growth, Investment, EMU (Economic and Monetary Union) and the European Semester, Annika Breidthardt called membership "irrevocable" during a press briefing on Monday. Commenting on Greece's possible exit - dubbed "Grexit," the Brussels official refused to speculate on the topic, saying there is no legal mechanism to be applied for the country to leave the euro zone.

The remarks followed a Sunday article in Germany's Der Spiegel magazine, which said that Germany believed the euro zone was stable enough and had sufficient rescue mechanisms to survive the potential ramifications of Greece leaving the single currency union. Citing sources in the German government, the journal report said that both Chancellor Angela Merkel and Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble thought the potential Greek exit "manageable." Germany's Vice Chancellor and Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel later said Germany wanted Greece to remain in the euro zone and there were no plans to the contrary, Reuters reported.

If [Grexit] happens, it will point out that EU cannot solve any kind of problems in the context of the mechanism that it has invented, this will be very bad for the euro in any case," Dimitri Mardas of Aristotle University of Thessaloniki told RT, although adding he did not believe the country's exit was a "real case."

On Monday, the issue was also addressed by French President Francois Hollande, who said it was "up to Greeks" to decide whether to stay or quit the single currency union. "As for Greece remaining in the euro zone, Greece alone can decide," Hollande said in an interview with France Inter radio, as quoted by Reuters. He added that the nation was "free to determine their own destiny."

(snip)

Read more at: http://rt.com/news/220039-greece-eurozone-exit-crisis/

[tradewinds]

1. More putin propaganda.

Why should russian propaganda be posted to a Democratic Message board?




Enjoy this fine photo of your leader.

[eShirl]

13. !!!

[HereSince1628]

2. Didn't the US fight a civil war in which that was a issue?

[another_liberal]

3. We did indeed, with at least one important difference . . .

The European Union and Euro Zone consist of independent States who retain their sovereignty. They have never agreed to become a single sovereign entity. The United States had been a single, sovereign entity for eighty years before the Confederacy tried to dissolve the Union and become an independent nation unto itself.

[HereSince1628]

10. We certainly see it that way, now, but I'm not so sure

that's the way it was seen in the antebellum US or during reconstruction.

Consider the motto of the great seal of the State of Illinois..."State Sovereignty National Union."

Originally adopted in 1819, it's been argued that sovereignty merely refers to states authority over things not mentioned in the US Constitution. However, when the redesign was considered in the late 1860's, after the civil war, it involved an attempt to place unity before state sovereignty. And that led to a fight that was lost by those seeking to reorder the motto and significance of its meaning.

The principle of state sovereignty was obviously significant to the state legislature and they protected it.

Only by a clever, some say deceitful, redesigning of the unfurling the banner bearing the motto to read from bottom to top did the advocates manage to change the presentation to achieve a prominent position for national unity above state sovereignty.

[another_liberal]

21. The various U.S. States have no actual "sovereign" powers . . .

At least I am aware of none.

It is, of course, popular in some circles to claim individual States are sovereign alone, however, all true sovereign powers are exercised exclusively by the federal government.

[HereSince1628]

28. The point being made was really about how people felt about it

in the years surrounding the US civil war.

[another_liberal]

29. Clearly a great many people were ready to fight and even die for "States' Rights."

I can't imagine anyone arguing otherwise.

[ornotna]

4. Germany 'prepared to let Greece leave eurozone' if voters reject austerity

A German report says Chancellor Angela Merkel is prepared to let Greece quit the eurozone should the people elect a government that abandons austerity. Berlin is increasingly convinced a "Grexit" would be bearable.

The German government is prepared to countenance a Greek exit from the eurozone, should it prove necessary, according to a report from German news magazine Der Spiegel.

The magazine reported in its online edition on Saturday that Chancellor Angela Merkel and Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble believe that such a development would now prove bearable for the rest of the currency bloc. The report cited progress made in the eurozone since 2012, when the eurozone sovereign debt crisis was said to have been at its worst, with fears diminishing that a "Grexit" could cause the currency union to disintegrate.



http://www.dw.de/germany-prepared-to-let-greece-leave-eurozone-if-voters-reject-austerity/a-18169442

[another_liberal]

5. Germany most likely would be fine . . .

I'm not sure what the effect of Greece going back to the Drachma might have on some of the less robust economies in the EU. One thing is certain, however, it would signal the coming end of an era in European politics.


BTW: I really like your little man graphic.

[hobbit709]

6. Is RT the only thing you read on the internet.?

[another_liberal]

7. That's none of your business . . .

But since you seem concerned about it, the answer is "no." In fact, I read widely online as well as in print mediums.

[hobbit709]

8. It is on this forum if that is the ONLY source you ever link to.

[another_liberal]

9. The only source I ever link to?

You are wrong, and you should check yourself.

[hobbit709]

11. going back a dozen pages of OPs in GD, there are 9 OPs by you linking to RT

0 with a link to anything else. Res ipsa loquitur.

[another_liberal]

12. Really?

I meant you should "check" your attitude, my inquisitive friend.

[hobbit709]

14. Read my signature line.

I've lost count of how many times I've been told that I have an n"attitude" problem.

[tradewinds]

15. I think you should go and have a nice snuggle with your shirtless leader.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. Results of Jury...

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:19 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Really?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6046266

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Russian propaganda has no place on DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:25 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That particular post isn't the Russian propaganda.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yessireebob only 100 percent grade a american propaganda on DU.

But seriously, maybe the OP is propaganda, maybe the poster posts a lot of propaganda but this exact complained about post is nothing.


Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with the alerter. This poster spams the board with this crap continuously.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The person who alerted shows an childish and idiotic argument worthy of one of the "low information" consumers of news, it seems.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Posters are exchanging insults--nothing new here, unfortunately. Sounds like someone may be jumping to conclusions about the intent though.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[another_liberal]

23. Life goes on . . .

(sigh)

[hobbit709]

25. Don't know who alerted, wasn't worth the effort on my part.

[NuclearDem]

18. Well, he did use Reuters today.

But I imagine only because RT isn't allowed in LBN.

[hobbit709]

20. I was talking about GD.

[tradewinds]

16. I doubt you are allowed to read anything other than RT. Putin would not like it.

Doesn't he just make you spooge????? What a waste of flesh.

[NuclearDem]

19. When the EU shells Athens to the ground for wanting to leave, then we'll talk.

Otherwise, this bullshit "concern" from RT is utterly disingenuous.

[another_liberal]

22. That might be better than selling the place to some German banker . . .

Or Saudi oil billionaire.

Of course the US/EU won't "shell" anything anyway. If Greece exits, they will simply punish the pitiful Greek people with economic sanctions, for electing a government which disobeys the Empire.

[tradewinds]

24. Maybe putin can roll in and save the day.

Lord vlad can save the Greeks.

[LanternWaste]

26. Your prophecies are very creative, if wholly unsubstantiated...

Your prophecies are very creative, if wholly unsubstantiated...

Though one may wonder should the Crimea wish to check out, if they would be allowed to leave (insert distinction without a difference here-- likely linked to a RT editorial for "proof&quot

[another_liberal]

30. They did have a vote on their status only a few months ago . . .

The Ukrainian-leaning group lost badly. That should settle it for a while, right?

[Bluenorthwest]

27. From the title I thought this would be about Jerry Brown in the CA govenor's office.....

but it's just another RT post. I should have noted the OP's name and I would have already known.

[another_liberal]

31. So . . .

Nothing to say regarding the actual topic of the OP? Just more RT-bashing?