Millionaire Renounces US Citizenship To Dodge Taxes, Whines When He Can’t Come Back

[MrScorpio]

Roger Ver is your typical free-loading libertarian millionaire: Loved all the perks he got from living in the United States, didn’t think he should pay for them. In fact, he was so incensed at the idea of having to pay taxes on his millions – that he totally earned in a complete vacuum having nothing to do with the infrastructure created by the tyrannical government – that in 2014, he renounced his citizenship and ran off to live in St. Kitts, a tropical island with almost no taxes.

Except now he’s upset because the US won’t let him back in:

Ver complains that the decision has forced him to miss speaking appointments at conferences and that the US embassy in Barbados refused to even consider the evidence for his application.

The official reasoning behind Ver’s rejection is that he doesn’t have sufficient “ties” to his country of residency in the Caribbean and has not demonstrated he has “the ties that will compel [him] to return to your home country after your travel to the United States,” according to a picture he tweeted of a letter that appears to be from the embassy.

In short, US officials are worried that Ver might choose to stay in his native country illegally.

Ver is known as “Bitcoin Jesus” because he fetishsizes the cryptocurrency that he’s hoping will overthrow the evil tyrannical government. Of course, like all libertarians, Ver doesn’t really care what happens to all the people not already rolling in bitcoins because he got his, so to the hell with them. The most annoying part of his hypocrisy? Ver worships a virtual currency that literally only exists because the United States government he loathes so much spent millions of taxpayer dollars to develop the internet that Bitcoin cannot exist without. What a complete and utter tosser.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/12/millionaire-renounces-us-citizenship-to-dodge-taxes-whines-when-he-cant-come-back/

[belzabubba333]

1. tag

[tammywammy]

2. Lol.

[Nye Bevan]

3. LOL

Maybe not so imaginary after all?

http://www.coindesk.com/roger-ver-denied-us-visa-attend-miami-bitcoin-conference/

[geek tragedy]

4. Karma. nt

[earthside]

5. 'Libertarianism' is Juvenile

Except for a few other spoiled brat 'libertarian' types ... no American will have the slightest sympathy for Roger Ver.

Let's hope the "tyrants" in government never let him back into the United States ... we've got enough freeloading millionaires/billionaires getting rich off of the nation's infrastructure that all of us lowly working people built and paid for.

This Ayn Rand style of American 'libertarianism' is quite clearly little more than economic and political narcissism; behavior that wallows in the juvenile and tries to give that kind of selfishness the patina of credibility through the concoction of the 'philosophy' of Objectivism.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

31. ^^^ this^^^

[mountain grammy]

53. Yes, well said.

[byronius]

56. Indeed.

[annabanana]

89. . . . . more like economic and political

onanism

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

99. I like the definition that Iain Banks wrote

"Libertarianism. A simple-minded right-wing ideology ideally suited to those unable or unwilling to see past their own sociopathic self-regard."

I have yet to see any libertarian who gives me reason to doubt the accuracy of this.

[Javaman]

104. +1000 nt

[hobbit709]

6. What kind of cheese does he want with that whine?

[ejbr]

103. + 1 n/t

[FSogol]

7. Haw-haw. n/t

[geardaddy]

39. ...

[Contrary1]

44. I hope this is a recent pic of him...

That would mean he has a lot of years ahead of him to whine about his choice.

[niyad]

84. all the pics I saw indicate that photo is fairly recent.

[Borchkins]

8. Tee hee.

This makes me happy. This and the Packer win on Sunday make me happy. This, the Packer win on Sunday and seeing the sunshine today make me happy.

B

[phantom power]

9. Galt's Gulch getting too lonely for you, Randian uber-mensch?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

32. ....

[JustAnotherGen]

10. This fits here too

I put it in one of my subscribed to groups re Westboro Baptist church getting locked down on Twitter!


This is me at that and this:

[tclambert]

55. The devil has pretty good abs there. He must work out a lot.

Oh, maybe that's part of his punishment. "Not only shalt thou burn in a lake of fire for all eternity, but thou must also follow a strict diet and exercise regimen."

[JustAnotherGen]

60. Tim Curry - via the movie Legend!

And he does the devil so doggone good! :rolll:

[SunSeeker]

68. Indeed. Hard to say which is worse, eternal fire or eternal rice cake diet. nt

[Renew Deal]

11. That's awesome

[phantom power]

13. too many jokes...

[lumberjack_jeff]

12. Recommended +1000 n/t

[MohRokTah]

14. BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!111!

That's the best thing I've read all year!

[sheshe2]

86. ^^^^This^^^^

[LiberalArkie]

15. He needs to get fluent in tele-conference like Snowden has.

[brewens]

16. If only the right-wingers realized who the real looters and welfare queens are. They sure

hate the phony welfare queens and small-time looters enough.

[VA_Jill]

17. na na na na

na na na na, hey hey, GOODBYE!

[treestar]

18. That's the price of renouncing citizenship

He's a foreigner like every other - no absolute right to enter the US.

[Renew Deal]

19. Why does Roger Ver hate America?

We don't need more deadbeats like Roger Ver.

[ND-Dem]

20. f**k him, seriously. these people have no sense of shame whatsoever, they're pigs and takers.

[calimary]

62. And don't forget - lazy moochers.

Oh he can't go do a speaking engagement somewhere now? The kind of "work" that calls upon one to stand in smug arrogance at a podium in some fancy, lavishly appointed, air-conditioned convention center for a half-hour or so in front of clusters of fawning sycophants and spew pomposity and crap into a microphone? Boo-fucking-hoo.

FUCK him.

And STAY out!!!!

[ND-Dem]

93. +100. i hope many more people start saying the same thing. F**K them all.

Who needs the useless leeches?

[calimary]

96. Oh man, almost forgot! Welcome to DU, ND-Dem!

Sorry I didn't do that first! Glad you're here. We really do need to do a better job pointing out, rather loudly, who the REAL moochers are. Certainly aren't the working poor. Or the poor - period.

[ND-Dem]

97. Thank you. I look back to the 60s-70s and then to today and wonder what the hell happened.

[Historic NY]

21. LOL keep this trash out of the US.

[Ed Suspicious]

22. The consummate free rider they're all so worried about.

[Jim Lane]

23. BTW, Mr. Ver, you are also no longer allowed to make campaign contributions to U.S. candidates.

Perhaps, before his decampment to the tropics, he was too selfish to give a dime anyway, but it's also possible he was a big backer of right-wing Republicans or Libertarians.

Just a little friendly reminder that those days are over.

[elehhhhna]

29. unlimited dough to 501cs tho

[Renew Deal]

36. Good point, and he has given money to Ron Paul amongst others.

Contributor

Occupation

Date

Amount

Recipient




VER, ROGER
SAN JOSE, CA 95126

INTERNET ENTREPRENEUR

12/7/00

$500

Libertarian National Cmte (L)



VER, ROGER
SANTA CLARA, CA 95050

INTERNET ENTREPRENEUR

5/5/00

$369

Libertarian National Cmte (L)



VER, ROGER
SAN JOSE, CA 95126

INTERNET ENTREPRENEUR

12/11/00

$342

Libertarian National Cmte (L)



VER, ROGER
SAN JOSE, CA 95126

Self/Internet Entrepreneur

4/3/01

$250

Libertarian National Cmte (L)



VER, ROGER
SANTA CLARA, CA 95054

WWWMEMORYDEALERSCOM

6/29/09

$250

Paul, Rand (R)



VER, ROGER
SANTA CLARA, CA 95050

INTERNET ENTREPRENEUR

7/6/00

$10,002

Libertarian National Cmte (L)



VER, ROGER
SAN JOSE, CA 95135



7/15/00

$1,000

Browne, Harry (L)



VER, ROGER
SAN JOSE, CA 95315

Entrepreneur

2/20/00

$1,000

Browne, Harry (L)



VER, ROGER
SANTA CLARA, CA 95054

WWWMEMORYDEALERSCOM

8/20/09

$500

Paul, Rand (R)



VER, ROGER
SAN JOSE, CA 95135

COMPUTER RESELLER

10/29/99

$235

Libertarian National Cmte (L)



VER, ROGER
SAN JOSE, CA 95135

INTERNET ENTREPRENEUR

4/30/00

$500

Howell, Carla (L)



VER MULM, ROGER
SIOUX CENTER, IA 51250

MIKES SERVICE GARAGE

8/22/13

$200

National Fedn of Independent Business



VER LEE, ROGER
HUDSONVILLE, MI 49426

FREIGHTLINER GRAND RAPIDS

5/26/95

$1,000

Gramm, Phil (R)



VER MULM, ROGER
SIOUX CENTER, IA 51250

MIKES SERVICE GARAGE

11/19/09

$200

National Fedn of Independent Business



VER, ROGER MR
SANTA CLARA, CA 95054

WWWMEMORYDEALERSCOM

10/18/11

$2,500

Paul, Ron (R)



VER, ROGER MR
SANTA CLARA, CA 95054

MEMORYDEALERSCOM

11/5/07

$2,298

Paul, Ron (R)



VER MULM, ROGER
SIOUX CENTER, IA 51250

MIKES SERVICE GARAGE

8/21/12

$200

National Fedn of Independent Business

https://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=roger+ver&cycle=All&sort=R&state=&zip=&employ=&cand=&submit=Submit+Query

[n2doc]

24. Poor baby!

[TBF]

25. Maybe Somalia will take him -

they like the "no laws" types. Get yourself a boat, Roger. Adios!

[Peacetrain]

26. Karma is the first thing that comes to my mind

[JHB]

101. The first thing to my mind involved a petard

[WillyT]

27. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[MADem]

28. Wonder if they will do likewise to Tina Turner....?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2013/11/12/tina-turner-formally-relinquishes-u-s-citizenship/

What's love got to do with it...?

[MrScorpio]

33. Apparently she has strong ties to Switzerland

So I wouldn't think they'd use the same conditions with her travel plans, were she to want to visit the states.

[MADem]

43. Yeah, it's really not the same deal at all...nt

[Bad Thoughts]

30. He might be a terrorist: put him on the no-fly list. eom

[reACTIONary]

82. +100 - might? pretty much certain ! (nt)

[Gothmog]

34. This is great

This tax cheat is getting what he deserves

[elehhhhna]

35. idiot. you lol jackass

His conviction and prison record here doesn't help either.

[Sgent]

37. He has citizenship in St. Kitts

he just has no ties to the country (family, etc.). US Visa's from non-waiver countries are not guaranteed, you must go to an embassy and prove your intentions to return.

[elehhhhna]

40. i know , edited

[daredtowork]

38. I always hope this is the fate of

all the millionaires who say "I will just take my toys and move to another country if you raise taxes".

Even on the corporate scale - and even within the United States when companies leave a State over "taxes" for a State that has cut taxes at the expense of public and social infrastructure. I think these jackasses should face some "you broke it, you bought it" karma.

As for the bitcoin drug/pedo money. Pfft. Can't wait until that house of cards comes tumbling down.

[Democrats_win]

41. Schadenfreude! He should have known better.

He's an example of the problems in this world: people who don't care. He truly deserve this and much much more.

[hunter]

42. Silly man. One has to be a billionaire to get away with shit like that.

[Pacifist Patriot]

45. Wah! I want my mommy.

[dbackjon]

46. Good - none of them should EVER, EVER be allowed back in.

Unless they

Back Pay all taxes they dodged.
Transfer all funds to US Banks
Work as a laborer for 5 years

[Orrex]

47. They should let him in, stop him in traffic, and seize his assets

They should take all of his identification, too, and then forcibly deport him, like they do with undocumented Mexican immigrants.

[ErikJ]

48. Libertarians need to go live off-grid in the wilderness to see

what taxes pay for. I knew one that went to live in the Yukon.... and he was back within a year.

[irisblue]

49. good

[Ferd Berfel]

50. Fuck him!

He should not be allowed back into this country for any reason - ever again!

[Dawson Leery]

51. Go to hell. These libertarians want all the rights without ANY responsibility.

Bitcoin should be shut down. It is not an official currency which means it is illegal.

[Pooka Fey]

52. Lol

[genxlib]

54. I don't think it should be a problem for him

After all, I hear the borders are very porous and that there are entrepreneurs in Mexico that will bring you into the U.S. for a price.

According to them, illegal aliens have it pretty easy here, right?

[2naSalit]

57. Ruh Roh, some poor little rich boy has a sad...

[SunSeeker]

69. His whaaambulance has arrived...

[Brigid]

58. Is it possible to laugh yourself to death?

[JonLP24]

59. There is the double-taxation issue

Depending the person, I don't view it as someone wanting be a free loader when the alternative is to carry 2 tax burdens. He clearly isn't in that category but I do feel sympathy for the person that has to do it.

[DFW]

95. Double taxation sucks

I moved to Germany to live with my wife (she's German) full time and travel less. German taxes are higher than US taxes, and although all my income is in the USA, it's all taxed in Germany except for certain income which must be taxed in the US, and is therefore exempt from taxation in Germany under the USA-Germany double taxation treaty. That was all hashed out between US and German accountants and the German version of the IRS years ago. Then the Germans disregarded all their agreements and now want to tax me on the income they said was exempt, and on which I already paid US taxes, which would put it somewhere around the 96% bracket. The German accountants were furious when they saw it, as their own authorities did a 180° on what they had ruled previously, and they are appealing, but it is time-consuming grief (and expensive to me), and I could still lose (some of them think it's 1938 or something).

Be honest and declare everything, and they punish you for it if you're an easy target. Be GE or Exxon and hide everything in Ireland and Luxembourg, and they'll kiss your hand for staying in their swankest hotels and taking the minister of finance out to the fanciest restaurant in town.

[perdita9]

61. Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish

I hate people who push their way to the front of the line to claim all the benefits but disappear the moment the word 'responsibility' is mentioned

[ck4829]

63. Hahaha.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. My sympathies for the plight of downtrodden millionaires is limited.

[rurallib]

65. This looks like a good crusade for FUX(tm) News!

Obama did it!
Obama did it!
Obama did it!

poor white billionaire!

[El Shaman]

66. too bad

he couldn't have taken ol Mr. Mittens with him.

[rickford66]

67. Hey Mr. Businessman, you get what you pay for.

[DeSwiss]

70. It troubles me that in this day and age......

...most people don't know the difference between a libertarian (a TRUE liberal) and a spoiled greedy-ass Capitalist. Misuse of this word takes the purest form of LIBERALISM and shits on it with these false ideas. Having Libertarianism conflated with the likes of Ron Paul and such clowns is these people is ludicrous.

- He's a CAPITALIST, not a libertarian. Knowledge is a dangerous thing. So is ignorance......

K&R




It's as bad as calling a 3rd-Wayer a Democrat........

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

71. Someone thought he was too smart to need a lawyer

A lawyer would have advised him NOT to buy the $250,000 "donation" St. Kitts citizenship package and to spring for the real estate route instead or better yet, head for Singapore. But he might not be rich enough for Singapore.

[ChazInAz]

72. What a pity.

I wonder what sort of "speaking engagements" he was planning on doing? I'd imagine they were highly-priced and involved lots of high-pressure sales.

[Cha]

73. Didn't take him long.. to realize what a poor choice he made. Too bad about the no re-entrance.

I'm so sad for him.

[TNNurse]

74. Bye!

[EEO]

75. Good.

[TRoN33]

76. Karma is a bitch!

Hope he will never get to see United States for rest of his long life. He's pretty young in his mid 20 to early 30.

Cheers, traitor.

[PatrynXX]

77. meh I'm a Libertarian since high school. basically now because of the tea party

I have to say Left Wing Libertarian smh go to civics class at get this wrong fail civics class. either way didn't that idiot watch Family Guy sure the Griffins are now Illegal Immigrants

[braddy]

78. The tea party is not libertarian, nor very favored by most of them.

[OregonBlue]

79. I totally agree with the government. Anyone that hates America so much that they

renounce their citizenship (especially since you can now hold dual citizenship) is not to be trusted and should not be allowed into the country. He sounds like he could be a dangerous terrorist to me.

[lonestarnot]

80. Goodie. I hope they keep his fucking ass out for fucking ever!

[JI7]

81. this makes me happy

[niyad]

83. ooops

. . .

Ver initially left the US almost nine years ago, after serving a 10-month prison sentence and three years' probation for selling agricultural firecrackers online. Since then he has resided mainly in Japan, and has not visited the US for nearly a year.

Despite his record, Ver said he has not had difficulty gaining access to any other country, including the notoriously strict Japan.

. . .

http://www.coindesk.com/roger-ver-denied-us-visa-attend-miami-bitcoin-conference/

[cstanleytech]

85. So, he gave the US a giant middle finger and left and now he wants to be able to come back

for a "visit"? Fuck him!!!

[NBachers]

87. He can just look into a camera and hire someone here to walk around with his face on a screen.

[LarryNM]

88. We Should Turn Our Back to Him eom

[Bobbie Jo]

90. Door, ass, etc...

[elias49]

91. The audacity blows my mind! nt

[lpbk2713]

94. It may not be audacity as we know it.

If he's a millionaire that makes him one of the Privileged Class and as such
he thinks he is entitled to anything at all simply because he wants it.

[eridani]

92. As Grumpy Cat aez--

[ca3799]

98. When you take Libertarian ideals to their logical conclusions....

When you take Libertarian ideals to their logical conclusions, you will often find yourself in positions similar to the one Ver finds himself in now.

This is one of my favorite games to play with Libertarians. I call it "Life in Libertaria."

So, my Libertarian neighbor was complaining that the big, mean, old government tries to control him and tell him what he can and can't do in his "castle" and of course, government should not have that "right."

He asked me why he couldn't, say, open a bar in his home (a house in a normal, residential, suburban neighborhood).

So, I asked him questions about his plan: How would his customers get there if not on a public road? Helicopter, maybe? Where would he get his electricity if not from a public utility service? A gasoline generator? Would he serve my 13 year old alcohol? Food? What if my 13 year old got sick from his alcohol or contaminated food? What would be my recourse?

He said he liked the idea of a gas generator because he hates his neighbor and would like to blow exhaust on her property. He said he hates his neighbor because she doesn't keep her house up and her poorly conditioned house devalues his property. I asked him why he was concerned with his neighbor and her property upkeep when that is her "castle" and "in Libertaria" she would have the right to keep it in any way she saw fit.

Oddly, he is not speaking to me anymore.

LOL!

[Enthusiast]

100. K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations!

[Dont call me Shirley]

102. Ver...

[Glassunion]

105. Wait a sec... I thought the right-wingers wanted us to be tough on immigration?

Thanks Obama!