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Top Story on Google News: Charlie Hebdo mocks Muhammad, #JeSuisCharlie on comeback cover (Original Post) oberliner Jan 2015 OP
It doesn't seem very mocking to me. bravenak Jan 2015 #1
That's what I think as well oberliner Jan 2015 #2
It doesn't say the cover mocked Muhammad. It only says it mocked Muhammad, perhaps that okaawhatever Jan 2015 #3
Yes it does oberliner Jan 2015 #4
I would argue that sentence does not say the mocking ridiculing or offending is on okaawhatever Jan 2015 #5
I would say the headline claims they mock both Muhammad and #JeSuisCharlie, on their cover muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #6
How does one know it's Muhhamad? HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #7
The cartoonist says so: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #8
Thanks...I had seen the cover days ago and there was no ID HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #10
I'm pretty sure leftynyc Jan 2015 #9
Interested to see the general reaction oberliner Jan 2015 #11
Watching CNN early Wed morning leftynyc Jan 2015 #15
I thought this was quite sincere PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #12
NY Post is a right-wing tabloid oberliner Jan 2015 #13
updated as to not distract. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #14
It's not mocking muhamad, it's even rather nice. Albertoo Jan 2015 #16
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. It doesn't seem very mocking to me.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jan 2015

Just shows Muhammed in solidarity with the murdered. He's crying. I'm crying.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
3. It doesn't say the cover mocked Muhammad. It only says it mocked Muhammad, perhaps that
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jan 2015

part is inside the magazine. It says #JeSuisCharlie is on the cover. Perhaps the headline is misleading (you know, click bait)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Yes it does
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jan 2015

Now the often-caustic publication, faced with the challenge of reconciling its new status as a cause célèbre with its reflex to mock, ridicule and offend, is putting a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad on the cover of what is likely to be their most-read issue ever.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
5. I would argue that sentence does not say the mocking ridiculing or offending is on
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jan 2015

the cover. It seems to be two separate thoughts. One is that the publication "with its reflex to mock, ridicule and offend"=first thought.

second thought="is putting a cariacture...of Muhammad".

To me they say the publication is known to mock and ridicule, and has a caricature of Muhammad on its cover. It does not say they are mocking Muhammad on the cover (unless you assume that the caricature is mocking in and of itself.)

Seems to me like they're splitting hairs with the difference, I think they want people to believe the cover is mocking Muhammad so they will click to see the photo. Just my opinion, though.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,324 posts)
6. I would say the headline claims they mock both Muhammad and #JeSuisCharlie, on their cover
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jan 2015

The notable thing about the cover is not that it includes 'JeSuisCharlie'; it's that it depicts Muhammad. It's not very believable that the way that headline is intended to be parsed as "Charlie Hebdo mocks Muhammad" and "#JeSuisCharlie on comeback cover"; I think it's "Charlie Hebdo mocks Muhammad and #JeSuisCharlie on comeback cover".

I don't think it does mock Muhhamad; it depicts him.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. How does one know it's Muhhamad?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jan 2015

The iconography around depictions of Jesus can include things like a halo and/or a crown of thorns...things that in Christian tradition have clear connections.

I don't know enough about Islam to have an idea of what would serve as particularly unique identifiers of Muhhamad.

Suggestions?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,324 posts)
8. The cartoonist says so:
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jan 2015
The terrorists were once kids, they drew like us, like all kids, then one day they perhaps lost their sense of humour, perhaps their child soul able to see the world from a bit of a distance, because that’s Charlie – being able to draw the world from a small distance. So I drew saying to myself: “I am Charlie”. That was my idea but it wasn’t enough.

The only idea left was to draw Mohammed, I am Charlie. Then I looked at him, he was crying. Then above, I wrote: “All is forgiven”, and then cried. We had the front page, we had finally found this bloody front page. This was our front page.

This was not the front page the world wanted us to draw, it was our front page.

This is not the front page that the terrorists want us to draw, as there are no terrorists in it, just a man who cries: it’s Mohammed. I am sorry that we drew him again, but the Mohammed we drew is a Mohammed who is crying above all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11343077/How-I-created-the-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-cover-cartoonist-Luzs-statement-in-full.html

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. Thanks...I had seen the cover days ago and there was no ID
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

provided there as far as I could tell.

And that made me wonder what is iconic in the depiction to make that ID.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
9. I'm pretty sure
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jan 2015

even printing a cartoon of Muhammad (any image of the prophet) is forbidden to the crazies. It doesn't even have to say anything. Just the pic is apparently insult enough.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. Watching CNN early Wed morning
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:20 AM
Jan 2015

they're showing very long lines of people trying to get their hands on a copy. I wouldn't mind having a copy although I wont be waiting in any lines for it. I heard a rumor it's going to have an English edition - do you know anything about that?

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
16. It's not mocking muhamad, it's even rather nice.
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:29 AM
Jan 2015

It makes the assumption the inventor of islam would have cried over blasphemers.

A stretch of the imagination based on his track record in real life.

(even at his start in Medina, one of his followers killed a poet for making fun of muhamad)

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