This just in.....Elizabeth Warren is STILL not running for President

[brooklynite]

Wall Street Journal:

Sen. Elizabeth Warren has now rejected a 2016 presidential campaign in both the present and future tenses.

The Massachusetts Democrat has for months gently patted away questions about her presidential ambitions with a present-tense “I am not running for president.”

But in an interview published Tuesday in Fortune magazine, Ms. Warren gave a categorical response to the future-tense question: “Are you going to run for president?”

“No,” Ms. Warren responded to Sheila Bair, the former FDIC chairman who conducted the interview.

[Autumn]

1. This just in.....

Yet.

Such a scary woman isn't she? Absolutely terrifying... to some. Bernie says he will probably run. I eagerly await word on that.

[brooklynite]

5. "She's going to die unless we do something. Clap your hands!"

"Clap your hands and say, 'I believe in fairies!'"

[Autumn]

18. I don't believe in fairy tales. It would be a fairy tale to believe Hillary

will win the White House, the right will full on mobilize and the left? Not going to be there. So you just keep clapping but keep in mind all the clapping in the world won't get you what you want, you need votes and Hillary will come up short in that department. But I enjoy that Liz scares sooo many people.


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[VanillaRhapsody]

23. you obviously dont believe the words coming

Out of Ms warren's mouth...nor a preponderous amount of evidence hat says Oh Yes Hillary can and likely will win

[rhett o rick]

49. Seems that those that are scared that Sen Warren might just run and kick some booty,

have a new mantra, "Sen Warren isn't running, Sen Warren isn't running," Hoping I guess, that if they repeat it often enough it will come true and then Democrats would be forced to vote for H. Clinton.

The Conservatives, Wall Street, and Oligarchy are afraid of Sen Warren running. Don't understand DU posters being afraid since they are supposed to be "politically liberal".

And once again, I don't care if she runs. She will be a thorn in the side of Conservatives one way or another. She is leading a progressive/populist movement and kicking Third Way booty.

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. whats to be afraid of....I support the Democrats

Decision in the Primary....and currently they overwhelmingly support Ms Clinton....thus so do I...

[rhett o rick]

64. If it doesn't matter what DEmocrat wins the primary, why are you working so very hard

to convince people that Sen Warren isn't running. Why do you even care?

[1StrongBlackMan]

107. Because that is what she has said ...

Repeatedly.

[rhett o rick]

108. We all clearly understand. My question stands. Why do you go on and on about it.

We are still going to try to get her to change her mind. Is that what bother you guys so much? Really? You think we have that much influence over her?

The progressives have to get someone to run or H. Clinton will lose to Jeb, because it's well know that people vote for a real Republican over a Republican-lite.

The people want change. Obama promised change but the TPP isn't change it's status quo corporatism as is fracking. H. Clinton is in the pocket of Wall Street and the people know it. They want to get out from under the heavy hand of Wall F'n Street.

The corporatists really are having a hard time with the popularity of Sen Warren. They hope she won't run so H. Clinton-Sachs can waltz into the race. H. Clinton that betrayed the Democratic Party when we needed her the most. Why would we ever trust her again. Fool us once and shame on H. Clinton. She better not try to fool us again.

[1StrongBlackMan]

115. Because every.single.day ...

there is post after "please run, Elizabeth" post.

[rhett o rick]

116. Glad you noticed. We do not want H. Cinton-Sachs. She sold her soul to Bush in 2002.

The Clinton Family and the Bush family are very close. They both represent the 1%.

[1StrongBlackMan]

118. Okay. n/t

[BaldHippie]

136. I think u hit the ticket name right

I just hope we don't end up with her unless she makes some major changes. But one thing I can give to Hillary Clinton. She may not be as Progressive as we want BUT for whatever areas she is Progressive on she will be far more of a fighter than Barrack Obama.

I don't think she would have stood by while the Tea Party emerged from no where with their ranting about "death panels". This is where Obama really failed us. The right wing did a bully job and Obama would not fight back with the bully pulpit. As much as I dislike Hillary Clinton for her ties to corporate power I really doubt she would allow her "image" to be undermined that way.

[11 Bravo]

59. Not believing that something will occur does not equate to fear of said ...

occurrence. I doubt that I will win the next Mega Millions drawing, but the thought does not terrify me.

[rhett o rick]

63. I totally agree. But when people are obsessed with trying to convince others that

Sen Warren won't run, it sure looks like they fear that she might. They don't like the momentum. Besides, no one is running until they actually say they are running.

We must get corporate control out of Wash DC and H. Clinton isn't the answer. Sen Warren may not be either but she is one hell of a lot better than H. Clinton.

And even if she doesn't decide to run, she is leading the progressive/populist movement that the conservatives really hate.

[11 Bravo]

68. I agree with every word of your post.

And especially the last sentence!

[brooklynite]

73. "obsessed with trying to convince others that Sen Warren won't run"...

...otherwise known as "publishing something newsworthy about a political figure on a political news blog"

[rhett o rick]

80. Yes maybe once, but almost once a day, someone tells us that Sen Warren Really, Really, isn't

going to run. She is bombarded with the question on a daily basis. There are only two answers. If she says yes, then she would have to be prepared for the coming consequences. If she is not ready for that, her only choice, her only choice is to say no. Will she be a liar if she changes her mind later?

NO ONE IS RUNNING UNTIL THEY ARE RUNNING.

[brooklynite]

84. So the next time Manny publishes something about Warren (like today!), he's being obsessed?

Poor soul.

[rhett o rick]

86. Why do we bring Manny into this discussion? Why would we be questioning his mental state?

We all are fully aware of his mental state.

[MADem]

141. That "someone" telling us that Senator Warren is not going to run is Senator Warren, herself.

How many times does the woman have to say NO before you take her at her word?

[NanceGreggs]

87. The person who is trying their utmost ...

... to convince people that Elizabeth Warren isn't running is Elizabeth Warren herself.

Apparently, her message isn't getting through.

[zappaman]

88. She's a liar!!!

[rhett o rick]

91. Why is it so very important to you and those that don't want her to run?

I hope she "changes her mind" but I will understand if she doesn't. The movement she is leading will continue.

Fighting corporatism is a fight against big money. Sadly it's also a fight against those happy with the status quo.

[tammywammy]

92. Frankly, I think people need to take Warren at her word

And start rallying around someone else that can promote their views during the primaries.

[rhett o rick]

105. What's cool is that we can do both but we need that "someone else". nm

[NanceGreggs]

93. Why is it so very important to you ...

... to believe that people are obsessed with wanting her not to run? I have seen zero evidence of that here.

You even take quoting the woman herself as some kind of gotcha.

Quite frankly, I don't care if she runs or not. That's her decision, not mine - or yours.

[rhett o rick]

106. This thread is a good example. Those of you that say you don't care seem to go

on and on and on about how she says she isn't running. Why are you posting that if you don't care. And one of you says that she will support any Democrat but seems to hope that Sen Warren isn't that Democrat. While I appreciate the loyalty, I would prefer an open mind and only support those that have principles that you support. Support principles not personalities.

By the way, most that fear Sen Warren favor H. Clinton. Need I remind that H. Clinton turned her back on Democrats in 2002 and bowed to Bush/Cheney and helped them sell the IWar. Many Democrats wouldn't believe Bush/Cheney, would believe her. She has admitted making a huge mistake. A mistake that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands including innocent children. Her decision lead to the torture of innocent people and it lead to the financial destruction of the lower classes. Of course she and Bush and Cheney all gained wealth during this sick war. How can we ever trust her again.

[totodeinhere]

121. Reporting that Warren will not run is not tantamount to supporting Clinton.

And it seems that some people at DU get upset when Warren is simply quoted saying she won't run. Myself, I take her at her word and if I don't want to support Clinton then I can support someone else like perhaps Sanders if he runs. After all there are more than two fish in this pond.

[rhett o rick]

122. You take her at her word. Good for you. She can change her mind, don't you agree? nm

[totodeinhere]

125. Of course she could change her mind but like I said, I believe

her when she indicates that she will not run. And I don't blame her. I suspect that she would not want to put herself through the rigors of a presidential campaign, and she feels that she can be very effective in the Senate.

[Marr]

124. It seems as though they're desperate to stamp out

a potential movement to 'draft' Warren with a show of broad support. I cannot imagine any other reason, apart from simple trolling, to so regularly attempt to convince others that there is no hope that she'd run.

[rhett o rick]

163. What's interesting is that they say they will support any and all Democrats

yet they are trying so very hard to discourage those that want Sen Warren.

[Marr]

165. Good point.

It is pretty ridiculous.

[musicblind]

166. I feel like those who want Sen. Warren and only Sen. Warren

are trying very hard to discourage those who want Hillary Clinton.

You keep saying other people are obsessed with this issue, but you have the most posts in this thread by far.

[rhett o rick]

169. I am promoting Sen Warren but far from obsessed. I am obsessed with turning

this country around and H. Clinton will not do it. I don't know if a progressive can, but a conservative can't or won't.

[Union Scribe]

60. Charming as always.

You do have a soothing and persuasive way about you.

[HappyMe]

11. You are supposed to stfu

and swear your pledgey oaths to Hillary Inevitable. DO IT!!!1

[Autumn]

17. Not in this lifetime I won't

Nor in this election cycle.

[HappyMe]

22. PLEDGEY OATH IS REQUIRED NOW!!!1

Yeah, I hear you. It's been like 2 years that we have had to hear about this. I am starting to wonder if the idea is to get people so sick of elections and candidates they just dumbly do what they are told. Or even turn apolitical in disgust with perpetual crying for money - from people that don't need money.

[Autumn]

25. Not gonna happen. Hillary runs, it's hello republican president

She knows that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. No....to the decision of your fellow Democrats..

That is what the pledge as you call it is about....

[Autumn]

27. You pledge all you want. I'm not even interested. Bernie says he's running

Bernie has my vote and support and I'm not interested in anything else.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. I only care what my fellow Democrats say....

[Autumn]

36. Me too. My fellow Democrats say....

no to Hillary.

[VanillaRhapsody]

37. no you dont care if "your fellow" Democrats

Support Hillary and elect her in the primary...if you cannot make that so-called pledge to their decision....then they are no longer your "fellows"......the left leaning Independents are....

[Autumn]

43. Oh I see the confusion now. You think you are my fellow Democrat.

You are certainly not. My fellow Democrats are progressive Democrats.

[VanillaRhapsody]

45. i am not the confused one in this equation...

I SUPPORT the Democrats on Democratic Underground...your loyalty to our party includes caveats that you get whatever YOU want....

[Autumn]

48. What Democrats are on Democratic Underground that are running for President are the

ones you support? Cause the last time I looked there were none. Yes, you are the one who is fucking confused or something different and I lean towards something different.

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. i support Democrats on DU and everywhere they are..

There are many more that will pledge to vote for whomever wins that primary on DU than those that wont...just so you know ..

[Autumn]

62. Just so you know... there are many Democrats here on DU that will tell you just where

loyalty pledges can be safely stowed away.

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. you have a problem being loyal to your fellow

Democrats? My grandparents were lifelong loyal democrats...my grandfather was a union member...what do you have against Democrats and Unions WHO do pledge to support each other...

[great white snark]

77. Pledgy oathy googly moogly!11

Somehow voting for whomever our party chooses as our representative is now an oathey whatever the hell childish name.

[VanillaRhapsody]

89. do you belong to a union?

Same thing....

Left leaning independents do not have to like it but its true. We are Democrats...united we stand!

[Autumn]

94. Nonsense. I belonged to a Union for years, being a Democrat is not the same thing. Hell some

democrats don't even have the comfortable shoes to stand for Unions.

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. and what does the term "brotherhood" mean?

and what do Unions do? Collective Bargain! They speak AS A GROUP...THAT is WHY we stand up for the Democratic Decision...for the decision of our Democratic Brotherhood. PERIOD! THAT is what Socialism is all about! One for All and All for One....this is not the party of "individualism"....that is Libertarian hooey! WE are strong when WE stand for each other....THAT is what we are "pledging" to do!

There is no stomping your feet and holding your breath and turning blue till you get what YOU want in the Democratic Party....

[Autumn]

101. You are just too damn funny

In the world we live in democrats don't even stand for the "people" who vote for them anymore.

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. I am just too damn truthful!

Yeah how do you like that Democratic idea of free Community College for everyone? You know since Democrats don't stand "for the people"? (and that is just the latest one.....)

Do you need to see a LIST? Well I have got one for ya right ch'ere:

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/


but its going to take you awhile to get through that....hope you packed a snack!

(this is just like that guy on FOX News saying "there were no terrorist attacks during the George Bush Administration"....its just THAT embarrassingly wrong!)

[Autumn]

153. Just so you know... Again. I. Don't. And. I. Won't. Pledge. Jack. Shit...

just so you know... I will vote for whomever fits my values. My vote. My voice. My choice.

[Puglover]

146. You are funny.

[Katashi_itto]

97. +10000!

[Katashi_itto]

96. You a Democrat?

With your loyalty pledges and purity tests?

lol!

[MADem]

142. Bernie said he won't run if he doesn't think he can win.

He will make up his mind by March, he says. http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/26/bernie-sanders-decide-march-run-president-2016.html

He has not said he is running. Neither has Clinton committed (she will do so in April, many believe).

The oft-talked about candidate who has said (pretty plainly) NO to a run, over, and over, and over again, is Warren.

[Autumn]

148. So no ones running? Not even Hillary? There you have it.

Pledge smedge. Doesn't matter who runs, I do not and will not support Hillary. I will support any person who is not a third way dem. Liz and Bernie fit the bill. She says she's not running, there is a movement to draft her. When she tells them stop then it's over, till then I have hope.

[MADem]

154. Webb is exploring.

Warren is not and will not be running. Those are her words. I think she knows her own mind. It's almost as if her supporters have taken leave of their powers of comprehension, simply because they don't like what she is saying.

Sanders -- if he runs -- will announce in March.

Clinton -- if she runs and that is looking likely, given the recent notice given at the WH by John Podesta -- will announce not later than April.

You are free to do with your vote what you'd like. You can announce it here, like anyone cares, or keep it to yourself.

DU doesn't reflect the mood of the country, anyway, or even the bulk of the Democratic Party anymore. It's still the best place on the web for news.

[Autumn]

157. Those are her words. For now. A lot can happen, things change, people change.

You are right, DU is the best place on the web. For discussion of politics and news.

[MADem]

158. She used the present AND future tense, and she's said NO dozens of times.

She's closed the door. You can keep shouting through it, but all you're doing is wasting your time.

She has no money, no 50 State Strategy (and the guy with one is backing Clinton), and she's already signed that letter urging Clinton to run.

I think it's a better hope that she'll be Treasury or Fed Chair in a Clinton administration.

[zappaman]

160. But she has not used the past tense, has she?

Gotcha!

[MADem]

161. When she's writing her memoirs after serving two or more terms as Fed Chair....

We'll probably see that past tense!

"I said NO to those who WANTED me to run for President because I felt that undoing some of the shit that Greenspan and his successors had visited upon us was my first priority--besides, while I was a strong supporter of the Department of Defense, having had brothers who served honorably, I didn't want to get into that whole Commander in Chief thing, it would take me away from my economic interests!"

[rhett o rick]

65. Blind loyalty isn't either a Democratic or democratic value.

I support people that demonstrate they follow Democratic Principles and H. Clinton failed that test in 2002 when she bowed to Bush/Cheney and helped them sell the IWar.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

41. You think she's lying when she says she's not going to?

This time she didn't just say "I am not running for president", she answered "No" to "Are you going to run for president?".

And to answer your question: in herself, no. But I think that if she were to change her mind and run, and by some miracle she won the nomination, she'd probably increase the (already high) chances of the next president being a Republican, and that does scare me, yes.

I think she'd make an excellent president, but a poor presidential candidate, and while her running for the nomination but not receiving it might push the debate leftwards (a good thing) and make it easier for more centrist candidates to triangulate (also good), it might also lead to an increased circular firing squad effect (bad, potentially very bad).

[Autumn]

46. No I don't think she will run. But I do belive that Hillary runs

the (already high) chances of the next president being a republican is extremely high. And that scares the fuck out of me.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

50. The same is true of any candidate.

With the single exception of 1980, since the war America has alternated 8 years of Democratic presidency with 8 years of Republican presidency - after 8 years, the president's party is blamed for The Mess We're In.

Incumbency is a massive handicap.

I'm not optimistic about Clinton's chances at all, but of the three people I've seen discussed on DU (her, Warren, Sanders), she's obviously much the least unlikely to win; I haven't really studied the field beyond that (I'm not an American).

[Autumn]

52. Here's where I'm coming from, most members in both of our parties are very beholden

to the banks, have been for a while. Obama appointed a lot of insider Wall Street, bankers to his administration with unfettered acces to his ears that helped shape his policies for the last 6 years so not a whole hell of a lot got done to help out the American people, Hillary will continue that and I don't think the American people need, or will get through another 8 years of that. Only 2 people are talking about the problems we face, Liz and Bernie.

[AtomicKitten]

56. "I think she'd make ... a poor presidential candidate."

You must be talking about Hillary because her 2008 campaign was a chaotic mess. She raised and spent $100 million by the end of 2007, running out of money because she didn't plan beyond Super Tuesday. And she blew off the caucuses because apparently the Clintons think they don't and shouldn't count.

She may be gathering up as many former Obama campaign workers as she can, but the problem is at the helm of her operation. If she manages to win the nomination, I have no doubt she would do a faceplant in the general, partly because she is a crap candidate and partly because progressive Democrats will not turn out to vote for her.

[rhett o rick]

66. I am disappointed that this is something so difficult for some to comprehend.

Until she starts "running" she has to say she isn't and won't, because once she says that she will run, then she is running. So if she wants to run but doesn't want to start now, her only choice when asked is to say she isn't and won't.

So once again, it's simple, NO ONE IS "RUNNING" UNTIL THEY ARE "RUNNING".

[brooklynite]

70. I am disappointed that this is something so difficult for some to comprehend.

If she doesn't want to run for President, she'll say she won't be running for President.

[rhett o rick]

76. She would say the same thing if she wanted to run BUT WASN'T READY.

I am not claiming she is running merely pointing out the fallacy of those hoping she won't.

The progressive/populist movement will continue with her in the Senate.

[brooklynite]

78. She COULD say she's thinking about it...like Hillary Clinton

She COULD say she'll make a decision by March...like Bernie Sanders

She DIDN'T say either.

[rhett o rick]

83. So what. What is so important that we know right now? Will we still love her if she changes her

mind later? I will.

I don't know if she will run. Unlike some, I can not predict the future. I won't be surprised if she doesn't run. She is currently leading the progressive/populist movement and she can continue if not president.

[brooklynite]

85. What honestly bothers me...

...is the inevitable complaining, WHEN she announces that she's not running, that somehow "they" kept her from running, by people who could have spent their time promoting an acceptable candidate who WANTED to run (Bernie for example), but chose to dream about Warren despite every sign to the contrary.

[rhett o rick]

109. I don't care if she is lying, she is far better than H. Clinton that turned her back

on us in 2002 and did a dance with Bush/Cheney.

Besides, I am hoping she CHANGES HER MIND. She has that right. And of course you will back her if she defeats H. Clinton-Sachs.

[brooklynite]

119. "I don't care if she is lying"......Now THERE'S an endorsement

[rhett o rick]

120. Sen Elizabeth Warren could lie for a decade and stll have more

principles than H. Clinton that betrayed the Democratic Party and choose Bush/Cheney over everything decent. Now she asks forgiveness. How can we ever trust her?

[Long Drive]

126. AMEN

The poster pushing Hillary seems a tad obsessed

[Donald Ian Rankin]

159. Enthusiastically, but not optimistically.

I think that, if elected, Warren would make a better President than Clinton.

The reason I hope she isn't the Democratic candidate is that I think she's much less likely to win.

[Aerows]

168. Well said! n/t

[pkdu]

2. and yet some here think there is wiggle-room in that statement because she didn't include the word

"ever" in between "you" and "going"...

[immoderate]

3. Maybe Bernie will tap her for vice president...

--imm

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. or maybe Hillary will..

[djean111]

34. Ugh. That would be nothing but pandering for votes, and then Warren would be sent to

attend funerals and dinners. That prospect is really distasteful.

[HappyMe]

35. lol!

Hillary with an anti Wall Street VP?

[NYC Liberal]

110. Warren thinks Hillary is terrific. And supports her run.

So I can absolutely see two strong, progressive women running together. It would be quite a formidible ticket.

[MADem]

155. And, if I recall correctly, that's pretty much a quote!

However, pigs will fly before they run together. Clinton-Gore was a "south - centric" ticket, and that was a Hail Mary pass, aided and abetted unwittingly by H. Ross Perot.

Two women from the Northeast? Not in our lifetimes.

An Hispanic VP from a hot state with sunshine might be a fun addition to the ticket--but we'll have to see. I'm predicting the VP, whoever HE will be, will be a HE.

[FSogol]

4. What does she mean by "no?"

Were her fingers crossed?

[joshcryer]

133. Was it a "legitimate no"?

It gets old after awhile.

[sabrina 1]

6. Perhaps, but Bernie is talking about it. Now THAT is exciting news!

[Autumn]

20. Yes Bernie will run. I can't wait to vote for him.

Last campaign I worked was Andrews, Bernie's I will go all out on.

[sabrina 1]

30. Met too. Imagine listening to someone who has a RECORD of standing up for the things he talks about

in a political campaign? Someone who doesn't need to use deceptive phrases, or 'explain' anything or HAVE anyone try to explain past actions on behalf of Wall St?

Someone who speaks from the heart, who doesn't have a dozen Think Tanks preparing material for them?

[IDemo]

7. And Hillary has not announced a bid for 2016

So hope still remains for all in this thread.

[Octafish]

8. That would make Rupert Murdoch very, very, very, very happy.

Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton

[HappyMe]

9. This just in...I still don't like Hillary.

Bernie may ask EW to be VP.

Nobody is currently running.

[brooklynite]

12. "Nobody is currently running..."

Clinton has said she's thinking about it.

Warren has said she isn't.

[HappyMe]

14. Thinking about it isn't running.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. wish in one hand...

My grandmother always said...

[HappyMe]

32. PLEDGEY OATH!!11

As of right now, nobody will announce anything until spring. I don't have to support anybody until primary day if I so choose.

[AtomicKitten]

57. Pledgey oath high sign!

[DesertDawg]

10. Hopefully

She changes her mind.

[RiverLover]

38. +1 nt

[misterhighwasted]

13. Dems concede to Repbs for 2016. No one is running.

When is the latest for a person to announce their candidacy?

[brooklynite]

15. That's a technical question

Each State has different regulations and deadlines for requesting ballot access. However, if you're not public by mid-2015 at the latest (and that's stretching things) you won't have the financial and political resources to compete.

[misterhighwasted]

19. Then we should know by May-ish.

Makes sense that fundraising & collecting donors early on would be a necessity.
Thanks

[still_one]

16. That doesn't mean she won't run if the moon is full and the planets are aligned in just the right

Way. She didn't say anything about that so it is still possible

[Capt. Obvious]

21. I was just discussing this with Hillary at the Yacht Club

Hill has never taken her seriously. If anything, Warren has the stench of New Money about her and New Money isn't getting anywhere near the doorman much less the door to the White House.

[Puglover]

29. .

See whatcha did there?

[HappyMe]

33. lol!

Good one.

[m-lekktor]

150. lol nt

[Robbins]

39. This just In

The democratic establishment will have their cornation of Hillary and the attempt to turn Democratic party Into center right party will be complete.

The truth teller Bernie Sanders may dare to run as democrat In Primarys to speak to Liberals and speak the truth but he will laregly be ignored except for those on left who can see the truth.

Thus in november 2016 the choice is between center-right-Hillary and extrem/far right-whoever wins the gop clown show

Liberals lose regardless.They have no place in eather political party any more

[brooklynite]

40. If "he will laregly be ignored except for those on left who can see the truth"...

and he loses, doesn't that suggest that "those on the left" aren't as significant a share of the electorate as they claim? Or at least that they don't view the field of candidates quite the way you do?

"Those on the left" had the opportunity to vote for Dennis Kucinich in 2004 and 2008. He barely registered in Iowa, which is probably the most left-leaning State in the primary process.

[Robbins]

42. are admitting that

there is no place for liberals and progressives in democratic party anymore.That's it's a center-right party.

[brooklynite]

44. No- it's a center-left Party...

...and people in the Center and people on the left will have to fight to get the voters to accept their policy positions.

I think we call that "politics".

BTW - If you can't compete in a Party with centrists, how are you going to compete in a national election where the non-Democratic voters are further to the right? Or is just standing up for your principles enough?

[Robbins]

51. No

It's more a center right party with all the support for endless war and the vote in lame duck season of congress to gut dodd frank and giveaway to banks prove/

Meanwhile people on social security disability are about to have benefits cut by 20% while corporations,banks,and wall street get what they want.

There isn't place anymore for liberals In party.

It's not going to matter to people like me who get benefits cut that she isn't quite as extreme as GOP.

[brooklynite]

54. So you're saying it's hopeless...

You can't nominate someone sufficiently liberal in the Democratic Party

If you leave the Democratic Party, you'll be a fringe movement that will have even less clout.

I don't know why you even bother.

[Robbins]

75. It is hopeless

There is no place for liberals in democratic party anymore.Even the more center-left dems in congress will go along with the
cornation of center right hillary who is for things they claim to be against.

The democratic party is center right
the republican party is extreme/far right

As disabled american who lives on SSI,medicaid,and food stamps i will be one hurt by cutting or "reforming" entitlements.or to help pay for endless war in middle east.

[NYC Liberal]

113. Hillary still needs to win votes. If she wins the nomination that means she will have convinced

many millions of Democrats, from all walks of life, to vote for her. That's not a "coronation."

If Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren wins the nomination, it will be by that very same process. So, by your reasoning, if they win then it will have been a "coronation" also.

[musicblind]

167. No it is a center left party. n/t

[rhett o rick]

61. The grassroots are center-left, moderates, but most of Washington the DC Democrats are center-right

conservatives. H. Clinton's moderate stands on social issues do not balance out her pro Wall Street, pro Corporate, pro Deep State Security State, and pro Neocon/continous War stands. Social issue gains won't last long if we don't save our democracy.

Liberal politicians aren't competing with centrists in the Party, but with conservatives backed by big money.

The Republican Party is the party of the extreme right-wing. The conservatives in Wash DC have moved to the Democratic Party ala Sen Arlen Specter.

As long as we let the conservatives run the Democratic Party the more we will slide into the oligarchy mire.

It's conservatives that favor the TPP, fracking, the NSA/CIA Deep State, Wall Street crime, the Patriot Act, torture and indefinite detention, the Continuous ME War.

[brooklynite]

67. So stop electing the "Washington" Democrats...

...by convincing voters to support someone else.

[rhett o rick]

74. It's difficult because, as we can see here in DU, some are afraid to venture away

from the status quo. H. Clinton favors Wall Street but seems somehow comforting.

[Robbins]

81. You said It perfectly

Look at Bill Clinton record.Does anyone really think Hillary will fight on social issues when it conflicts with her center-right postions.

Let's look at iraq.Politicans have learned nothing.Even after all those years of funding and training iraqi army.and for what.Dems have totally forgotten what elected them in 2006 and 2008

It's not about finding someone who is perfect.it's about someone who will fight for some of things we believe in.It's one thing to lose.Too often dems aren't even trying to fight.

[Agnosticsherbet]

79. If Bernie joins the party and enters the primary, it will be good for he party.

We will see if his ideas excite the broad base of he Democratic Party.

[wyldwolf]

47. notice the use of 'still.' It means she won't sit still. Meaning she's actually running

[AtomicKitten]

53. Neither is Hillary. Your point?

[rhett o rick]

72. Some are afraid of Sen Warren. They fear that the crazy left will ask for a pony

and the Oligarch Gods will bring their wrath upon us. If they weren't worried so very much, they wouldn't repeat the mantra over and over and over. They think that the repetition will make it so.

But if they think that if Sen Warren doesn't run that the progressive/populist movement will end, they are seriously mistaken.

Our founders took a tremendous risk to win our freedoms and liberties, yet many Democrats are afraid to ask for them back from the Oligarchs. Thomas Pain would not like Third Way Democrats.

[AtomicKitten]

82. Fear.

You've got that right. And they have good reason to be. Progressives aren't going to go gently into the good night.

[LordGlenconner]

71. I hope Warren runs but some here are overwrought

You can't simply say Hillary running = Republican president without some kind of context. Which states will the GOP nominee flip? How does the electoral math play out? What will be the central issues in the campaign (some of them created by the media)? What will be the weakness of the GOP nominee?

These questions cannot be answered right now. Best thing all Dems can hope for is a robust field of candidates to pick from. When I hear people say Hillary = hello Republican president, that says to me that poster has very little ability to analyze what will be an interesting race and almost no knowledge of how the electoral map has changed in recent cycles.

[rhett o rick]

111. Isn't there an axiom that states that people will vote for a real Republican before they

vote for a Democrat that acts like a Republican. I am pretty sure that H. Clinton held hands with Bush as we invaded Iraq.

Now she says she made a mistake. Can you forgive that mistake? I can't. I don't have to as there are other people we can nominate.

How sad that some say we must nominate her even with her faults. That's not a liberal talking.

We need change and she doesn't offer any change.

[mmonk]

90. Doesn't mean Hillary gets my vote either way.

Does that make me a purist? Certainly. I no longer give a rat's ass. Right or wrong makes the difference to me. The lesser of two evils doesn't matter to us gerrymandered persons of conscience any longer. Empty words and team colors are the cheapest things.

[BB_Smoke]

95. Good luck getting this to sink in

Now... pardon me while I peruse this thread for the inevitable howls of outrage by those in denial of her very own words.

[Vattel]

99. We need a surprise candidate. Who is gonna step up?

[Stellar]

100. I guess that makes the

Clintonista's happy.

[foo_bar]

103. "Are you going to...?" is a weaker future tense

[div]The use of going to refer to future events suggests a very strong association with the present. The time is not important, it is later than now, but the attitude is that the event depends on something in the present situation that we know about. Going is mainly used to refer to our plans and intentions or to make predictions based on present evidence. In everyday speech, going to is often shortened to gonna, especially in American English, but it is never written that way.

http://www.edufind.com/english-grammar/future-going/

I'm not saying she's running, but... she's running! No, but it's strange how journalists can't ask a single follow-up question that would put it to rest, like "Let's talk about the subjunctive. If I were to ask you if you were to run..."

[LWolf]

104. And I'm still not going to support HRC. nt

[rhett o rick]

112. I think you are obligated to support her if she is the nominee. Just sayin'. nm

[delrem]

123. I wonder if that'll be her entire campaign strategy,

or whether her campaign will introduce some nuance as Nov. 2016 approaches?

How about her campaign producing some 'viral youtube' postings of HRC-S profile cameos, "ready for a coin"?
That, together with "you're obligated to vote for Dem nominee" looks to be a sure-fire combo.

I know! How about a video of Bill and George having a gentleman's debate about which candidate will do the most for big money and war, Jeb or Hillary? I say Bill would win that debate hands down.

[rhett o rick]

162. Well she has the Conservative Dems wrapped up w/o saying a word.

No matter what she says she will have their loyal vote. One might think she would try to woo the left like Obama did, but I think that ship has sailed. We trusted Obama and we don't trust H. Clinton. I think she will push the "I am a little better than Jeb", meme.

Or she might go out on a limb and say that the USofA needs their Margret Thatcher.

[LWolf]

145. No I'm not.

I'm obligated to keep my mouth shut on DU during the general election while I choose from better Democrats to write in on my ballot. If that's the direction that the majority of Democratic voters choose.

Of course, it's not the GE campaign right now; it's not even a primary campaign yet, so I'm free to explain that to you.

Censorship rules on DU do not decide my vote, just what I can talk about during campaign season.

[djean111]

152. Oh, I think you may have to take that pledgey thing and then send your mail-in ballot

to the pledgey oath taker to fill out for you.
(That's a joke, folks!)

[LWolf]

164. A joke, BUT

there WILL be some DUers who come pretty close to that in their zeal to bully some of us into line. There always are.

[shenmue]

114. This shouldn't stop people

[Warren DeMontague]

128. Well I guess Hillary is really inevitable, now.

Even more inevitable than 2008, when she was soooper dooooper inevitable.

[merrily]

129. This just in: Hillary STILL not running for President either. Almost no Dem is.

Sanders has said he will run if he sees enough money and support to think he can win, so even he has not made a solid announcement.

[Warren DeMontague]

130. I know.

And I'm happy to let the primaries play out. That is what they're for.

I'm baffled by the people who have prematurely adopted the attitude that "you dont have a choice"

(FYI, I'll eat my hat if she doesnt run, but I havent made up my mind WHO I personally will support in the primaries)

[merrily]

140. Come to think of it, have any Republicans firmly announced yet?

Bush, Huckabee and Romney all flashed some ankle, but they're all "exploring," too. Pataki made have made the firmest statement of anyone in either Party yet.

[joshcryer]

132. If Clinton doesn't run the party will be sent into chaos.

The primaries are a year from now, you know.

People think that it's really far away, it's not. They're right around the corner in political time.

Clinton has to and needs to delay announcing as long as she possibly can. She'll be under more scrutiny than ever. All the Ken Starr crap will be drudged back up.

edit: to clarify, Clinton not running could be the best thing for the party, I'm just saying the disarray would be epic.

[merrily]

134. Worse: The world will end. Armageddon. Four Horsemen. The whole nine yards.

[joshcryer]

135. If it leads to a Romney... maybe.

[merrily]

137. Then the Party should have been beating the bushes for great candidates these last few years,

instead of telling the public since 2012 that, if Hillary runs, no Dem will even bother to run against her.


Probably at least 50 million Dems in this country legally eligible to run. I bet they could have found a few good ones.

But, I sold my home and am giving away my money, except what I need to go the Vatican and pray, as Catholics did in 999 C.E. because the world ended at midnight on December 31 that year, too.

Or, maybe I'll go the park in Pawnee, Ind. and await whatever harbinger of the end of the world that cult awaited every year. I do like recorders.


BTW, in all likelihood, Hillary's running will not prevent a Republican President.

[joshcryer]

138. Great candidates need to stand up.

The party can't just make them, they have to stand up and fight.

But it's nice to know you think another Republican President wouldn't be the end of the world. I heard that one before. Probably not the end, but years of austerity and suffering, no doubt...

[merrily]

139. Come on, Josh. You know better than I that the Party encourages

people to run, or stands down, or discourages people, as it sees fit.

But it's nice to know you think another Republican President wouldn't be the end of the world.

Huh? Where did I say that?

[BaldHippie]

131. Still Time BUT

There is still time for her to change her mind. But Bernie Sanders is already making some motions. I hope that both of them will get together and do an honest evaluation of who could win the nomination. But I doubt that if one takes it the other can be the VP. That is because who ever gets it will want to balance the ticket politically, ethnically and geographically.

But here is a question. If Hillary does run and doesn't take the Progressive Wing seriously should we run someone on a third party? If that is the choice then some ground work is going to have to be done early.

[brooklynite]

143. Time to review the old TOS...

[MADem]

156. Really.

There's that cool Progressive Underground site that people could migrate towards...or that Green Underground...or Reform Underground...

Oh wait--no there ain't! But there IS a band called Green Underground!!!

[riqster]

144. Good. We need her in the Senate.

[MineralMan]

147. Yabbut women are always changing their minds, OK?

[LondonReign2]

149. And Right Wingers in both parties rejoiced

[djean111]

151. Truer words.

Plus I have to laugh at that "well, find better candidates" thing.
In California, the DSCC wants Kamala Harris (not saying she is not good) and they are trying to discourage everyone else.

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/elections#

CA-Sen: On Tuesday, Democratic Attorney General Kamala Harris officially kicked off her campaign to succeed Barbara Boxer, and she quickly drew a favorable response from national Democrats. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee issued a press release praising Harris; it also served as a message to her would-be opponents that they should stay out and avert a long primary that could suck up finite Democratic money.

I think that this is what the DSCC wants to do for Hillary, perhaps.

[csziggy]

170. Some won't believe until Chevy Chase tells them with Garret Morris interpreting