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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToday is the 25th anniversary of my sobriety.
25 years ago today, 1/14/90, I came to the realization that my 3 friends who always told me that alcohol was a problem were right, after about 2 years of telling them to go f*** themselves. 2 of those people I still count as close friends. The other guy & I simply lost touch.
I'm not going to preach or pontificate. I will only say that if YOU struggle with addiction, than get to a meeting and realize that you CAN get here from there. It is NOT hopeless!
I know that if I hadn't stopped drinking, I wouldn't have, or deserve, the wife and son that I have today.
Is life perfect? No. Is it better sober than drunk? Yes!
25 years ago today I had 1 day's sobriety. One day at a time!
Thank you for allowing me to share.
PEACE!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Keep up the good work, as you say one day at a time.
CurtEastPoint
(19,019 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Congratulations!
peace13
(11,076 posts)I am so happy for you! Gotta love our friends who help us through this crazy life! Peace and love to you!
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)He's 18 and has been sober for 1.5 years. You give me hope!
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)How's he doing overall?
PEACE!
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)we admitted him to a really good inpatient program 1.5 years ago and it seemed to give him really good tools.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)You made several points that I would like to pass along to some of my clients. 1st 25 years sober is real. If the people who like you tell you you drink too much you are drinking too much. And life is better sober.
cilla4progress
(25,435 posts)You are a strong, strong person.
All my respect.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)CrispyQ
(37,558 posts)I struggle getting on & staying on the path. I found this quote from the new show "Elementary" about Sherlock Holmes, to be very succinct & accurate for me.
The road to recovery, Ive found, is as treacherous as it is tedious.
The tediousness is the surprising part. I also try to keep this one in mind when I'm struggling:
"I didn't say it would be easy. I said it would be worth it."
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...were as hard, or harder, than the last 10 that I was drunk! Hang in there!
PEACE!
kydo
(2,679 posts)Being reasonably happy seems to work well. The middle.
Roy Rolling
(7,102 posts)Paladin
(28,591 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)H2O Man
(74,768 posts)Outstanding!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Congratulations on your sobriety, and for those out there like me who cannot stand AA, that is not the only path. You are in control of you, there is no higher power, make of your life what you will.
phil89
(1,043 posts)Many people do not know about other rational/secular options such as rational recovery.
BubbaFett
(361 posts)AA is good from the standpoint of the fellowship. The actual program of recovery (the "big book" is just recycled holy roller bullshit.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)But some respond well to the holy roller crap.. Keeps them sober..I guess fear of God, helps some..
The fellowship, I couldnt do without.. Essential for me.. Meetings are my escape from the parts of the world I can not stand..
BubbaFett
(361 posts)and for this drunk, being alone is the first step to walking into a saloon.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)mountain grammy
(27,001 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)things. A lot of people like me do believe in a higher power and in turning things over. It has been a life saver for me. I have 31 years sobriety. I would never tell someone there is a higher power or that there isn't. Staying sober is the goal. I quit going to meetings long ago but still turn it over.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)One size most certainly does not fit all.
Greybnk48
(10,319 posts)That is a very difficult thing to do and your success is commendable! There are several in my family who have succeeded as well, and a couple who are still struggling but will make it I'm sure! Again, bravo!
Iggo
(48,050 posts)ybbor
(1,584 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Congratulations!! Well Done!! WOW
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)irisblue
(33,709 posts)thanks for sharing
niyad
(117,787 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Great!!!!!!
jehop61
(1,735 posts)One day at a time
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)BTW. you always deserved good people and good things in your life. But drinking was not a good thing in life and you deserved better. Also, while you drank, you probably forgot about being good to good people.
But, no point rehashing on this happy day. Point is, you deserve good things and good people, full stop.
Here's to another hundred years, one day at a time.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...you're right. I didn't know how to treat people right.
PEACE!
merrily
(45,251 posts)I guessed. My father was one person sober and a very different one when he drank. Fortunately, he did not drink every day.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)My father is on his 19th year.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)sinkingfeeling
(52,539 posts)ChazInAz
(2,718 posts)Keep coming back.
You've already seen that it DOES get better.
Just finishing my 34'th year.
charin
(62 posts)Class of '90 here, too, August 14th. The hardest year was that last year of drinking!
Faux pas
(15,069 posts)January 2 of this year marked my 22nd year without booze.
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)MarianJack
Congratulations - not bad keeping it togheter for 25 years.
Diclotican
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)blockhead
(1,081 posts)pscot
(21,025 posts)I passed the 6 year mark in December and I know where of you speak.
Hekate
(93,460 posts)Onlooker
(5,636 posts)As a therapist, I have worked with many addicts. The reasons for addiction and the challenges that addicts face in living a sober life are often immense. Anyone who stays sober 1 day at a time for over 9,125 days and counting has not only turned his life around, but is an inspiration to anyone who faces difficult times, illness, or other challenges. Congratulations!
rurallib
(62,920 posts)Or did you just quit?
I see you indicate 'go to a meeting.'
Either way it is a hell of a victory over one nasty evil.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)NEOhiodemocrat
(912 posts)Quite the achievement, you should be proud of yourself!
Phentex
(16,428 posts)Happy for you!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)A good friend of mine is hitting 14 years on Sunday. I am so proud of her I don't have the words to express it.
I have no doubt that your friends and loved ones are also proud of, and happy for, you.
Keep on keeping on...
underpants
(185,199 posts)My brother is 7 years sober
BubbaFett
(361 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)That's one hell of a huge milestone! I'm so very proud of you!
cordelia
(2,174 posts)You give hope to those of us who share your journey.
AA works for me for now; if it stops I hope I'll have presence of mind to seek alternate solutions before my life turns to shit again.
Andy823
(11,510 posts)I have to agree with you 100%, life is not perfect, but it is better when you are sober. October 31st 2015 I will have 30 years sober. One day at a time really works.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)28 years coming up for me in February. Day At A Time.
Warpy
(112,741 posts)That's a lot of days, one day at a time.
No, it's not hopeless, my ex finally got sober and stayed that way. So have a few of my family members.
pnwmom
(109,356 posts)And we all, no matter what our situations, need to take one day at a time.
Congrats, MarianJack!
brewens
(14,861 posts)Just not all in a row!
calimary
(83,413 posts)That is such a huge accomplishment and a lot to be proud of!
Your advice - "get to a meeting" - is worth EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING!!!!!!!
blm
(113,714 posts).
cally
(21,645 posts)It is a journey but one that is worth it.
DFW
(55,874 posts)I have been sober for almost 63 years (I am almost 63), but I cheated. I was born with some genetic quirk that makes me hate the taste of just about any alcoholic drink, so I never touch the stuff for the simple reason that I can't stand the taste of it.
ColesCountyDem
(6,944 posts)Well done!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)That is definitely something to celebrate.
man4allcats
(4,026 posts)I can't even begin to imagine 25 years. My hat is off to you, sir.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...I was at 4 months also! Hang in there!
PEACE!
Ramses
(721 posts)But I believe alcoholism is genetic and I dont believe telling people to go to meetings will help them. just my opinion.
blaze
(6,670 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Unfortunately suffering and active alcoholics are often told there is Only One Way to achieve Real Sobriety-- and it involves attending 12 step meetings AND something which is pretty obviously a thinly veiled religious experience/conversion.
Which is fine, for some people
Which is wonderful and works, for some people
However, telling an Atheist that they need to figure out a way to come to terms with "God", whatever semantic leeway is given with that term (never mind the bit about the lord's prayer) or else they will invariably suffer and die--- yeah, a lot of us who have been around the block with this stuff, have more than a small problem with that.
I respect the OP's accomplishment, but the throwaway line about "get to a meeting"- personally, I think "try AA and the 12 steps, or if they don't work for you, remember there are OTHER options that work for other people, like Rational Recovery, etc".. I think that would work better, and inclusively recognize the many and growing alternatives to AA and the 12 steps as well as the fully legitimate issues that some people- like some Atheists*, for instance- have with AA.
[font size=1]*yes I know all about your atheist meeting, thanks.[/font]
Unfortunately it is taken as gospel in many 12 step circles that it is the ONLY way, or the ONLY way that works, or the ONLY way that "really" works (sober people not 'doing the steps' not being really sober, tautology-style)
So yeah, it's a problem.
And the poster is right, there is quite likely something genetic going on with many forms of alcoholism. That seems to me to be an incontrovertible fact.
get the red out
(13,511 posts)And I have participated successfully in "the only way" for 21 years. The basic of AA actually says that "more will be revealed", and that tends to be dismissed. I blame the "treatment" industry. They have monetary reasons to not offer other methods, that do exist and have been successful. Then the treatment industry sends people to meetings who pass on what the treatment industry emphasized. $$$$$ like in all things.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)that may work for other folks.
The important thing is that people find and do what works for them. A lot of people that's AA, and that's awesome for those people.
I think you're right about the treatment industry, also court-mandated 12 step meetings have some obvious constitutional issues that now are being recognized. And that's another irony- most of the 12 steppers I know don't WANT the people who don't want to be there, being forced into the meetings. They want people who want what they have. Which is as it should be.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Yes, life sober is better.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)Skittles
(156,883 posts)alcohol has taken a heavy toll on my family (brother, aunt, uncles, grandfather)
I'd like to also remind people if you've tried to quit and failed, KEEP TRYING, however many times it takes....each time you learn something and can move forward.....never give up the fight
eridani
(51,907 posts)I'm one of those people who are biologically immune from addiction, so direct empathy is hard for me. Having known other people who struggle, it is a very hard thing you did. And continue to do every day.
mnhtnbb
(31,699 posts)That's one helluva anniversary!
tulsakatz
(3,122 posts)I quit drinking in 1991 except I didn't use a 12 step program....it's a long story but I will tell you if you really want to hear about it.
You're right, life is better when you're sober. One time several years after I quit drinking, I was on a date with a guy where we went to a small dinner party at a friend's house. My date had had quite a bit too much to drink & was doing some embarassing things. But even though it was a little embarassing to be with him, the whole night I sat there knowing I had done similar things in the past too....& that was the part that really embarassd me!! I knew I had acted in similar ways in the past & had probably behaved even worse!
Congratulations on creating a better life for yourself, it is a miracle when we are able to overcome difficult problems like this!
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)6 years for me.
Skittles
(156,883 posts)cindyperry
(151 posts)to putting another 24 hours in the rear view mirror my husband just celebrated 28 years one day at a time keep it simple and keep on keeping on
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,600 posts)Enjoy, brother. I'm 28, 3-31-86.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That is an amazing accomplishment!! (and I know what I am talking about )
You should be very proud of yourself!
BeyondGeography
(39,789 posts)Congratulations, each and every day.
democrank
(11,227 posts)Congratulations~
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm still less than 8 years in my sobriety. Can't remember the last drink though. We had to quit running in the same circle for me to make it work. I don't miss a single one of my old drinking buddies cause when I do happen to see them I can't get away fast enough. I just can't stand to be around someone whose drinking.
Becoming a Papa was what it took for me to sober up. One day I'll tell my grand daughter about how she helped me to extend my life. I did not want my brand new grand daughter to know her papa as a drunk and thats that.
Thats all it took.
Breaking the habit of drinking was the hardest part for me. The physical part was easy for some reason. Maybe it was I truly wanted to quit
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Boreal
(725 posts)I've known a fair amount of alcoholics, some who still use and others who got sober. For those who still use, I grieve because it has destroyed their lives and the lives of those who love them.
Very happy for you, MarianJack! Keep it up, one day at a time
senseandsensibility
(19,460 posts)Very inspiring. Thanks for sharing with us.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I know a lot of people whose lives have been saved by the 12 steps.
And a lot of people whose lives have been saved by other paths- like Rational Recovery or secular groups like SOS, as well.
Anyone who manages extended sobriety- and 25 years is certainly a respectable stretch! - deserves accolades, whether they credit themselves or a higher power of their own definition. Good for you.
For me it was figuring out that without booze, life was pretty good.. and with it, there wasn't much "life" at all. It took a while.
If people are suffering, I would echo that it's not hopeless, and also reiterate that while AA, meetings, and the steps work for some people, other methods work better for others. One size does not fit all.
Congratulations, again.
elias49
(4,259 posts)be proud of yourself.
libodem
(19,288 posts)May you have 25 more.
vanlassie
(5,837 posts)Congratulations!
Pauldg47
(640 posts)...last June w meetings every Saturday mornings.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)mackerel
(4,412 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)And thank YOU for sharing what this day means to you. I'm sure by now you've heard plenty of Happy Birthdays and Congrats all around, so let me just say that I'm real glad to hear that you've got all of those years sober.
My SO will celebrate his 22nd year of clean and sober living this summer, but he accomplished that without any meetings, so the kudos he deserves for managing to beat his addictions are few, tho I do always bake him a nice chocolate cake and thank him for choosing life rather than the terrible path he'd been headed down. He calls me his normy and while I'll never be able to fully understand the power of any addiction, I can appreciate the struggle that it takes to overcome one.
bpollen
(110 posts)and I have the utmost respect for every single day that you chose to be sober -- today. That's over 9 thousand victories!
vive la commune
(94 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And as many todays as you can manage to string together
jschurchin
(1,456 posts)Feels great, Doesn't it??
90-percent
(6,863 posts)Alcoholism is one nasty pernicious disease. My wife was an alcoholic. I knew she had drinking problems when I married her, but so did I. I thought; Wow! Shes great. Shes the first woman I met that wasnt horrified by my drinking.
She found AA early in our marriage and went in and out. I think she got with the program around 1995 and stayed with it long enough to earn her ten year AA coin. But around 2005 she relapsed and she always told me that each relapse was worse than the previous one.
She also told me that alcoholism is the root cause of many deaths attributed to other factors. She died October 2013 of head and neck cancer, which, like most diseases, is better cured if caught early. Around 2009 her dentist saw things in her mouth that were pre-cancerous looking. She had an irrational fear of Doctors and needles, so she kept her condition a secret from me for two years and HEPA laws prevented her dentist from talking to me about it. Sometime late 2011 or early 2012 she got a registered letter from him and the cat was out of the bag and by then the pain was too much for her to ignore, so she finally went to get checked out. First of three operations was September 2012.
She hated life so much I think she wanted to die and took action to make that happen. Or maybe it was alcoholic thinking that made her do what she did? The only good thing that came of all this is in her last year on earth I did kind of get her back, in that she stopped her alcoholic drinking, and we did drink together when we went out to eat, but she ceased the 24/7 consumption of about three big bottles of rum a week. I lost my job about six months before she died and I was actually grateful for that as I spent as much time with her as I could in her final moments on earth. It was bittersweet when she returned to mostly sobriety and fully realized how much she really did it this time. Her force of will was tremendous, and she was drinking so much she was hospitalized for alcohol poisoning and jaundice stuff. But, she fully recovered from the alcohol damage by sheer force of will.
For the sake of history, she also suffered a seizure in 2007 as a result of a brain tumor SHE KNEW SHE HAD FOR FIFTEEN YEARS. A doctor discovered it in the early 90s from a CATSCAN for chronic jaw pain. Her understanding was that, well, yeah, youve got a brain tumor, but not to worry. It will never get worse or bother you in the slightest. I do not think that was the Doctors message to her when it was discovered, but thats alcoholic thinking kicking in again.
She almost died, but eventually got stabilized enough to have the operation and the prognosis was excellent. She would be 90% of her old self with proper care and rehabilitation within six months. But physical rehab was not for her. Instead she chose to stay immobile in bed and alcoholic drink, which rendered her right arm and leg somewhat useless.
Unfortunately, I didnt realize while all this was going on how classic co-dependent I was. My identity and self-worth was highly dependent on her, and its only in hindsight and therapy that I fully realize the effect of her choosing death and checking out of life and family had on me. She rejected me, her family, and her friends and chose death over all of us.
I always had hope she would turn things around and chose to go back to the wonderful magical delightful smart and accomplished woman she was, but, in hindsight, I should have gone the whole al-anon route and take care of myself and not try to change my alcoholic. So its only recently that Ive worked on restoring my life to be happy and healthy alone, without depending on a mate for my happiness and self-worth. And Im getting there. Im revisiting my entire value system and how I ran my life and Im pleasantly surprised to discover Im kind of a fighter and Im kind of finding my spark and drive to lead a full constructive happy rewarding life.
I went to a lot of AA meetings with her and learned some of AA doctrine. I like take what you need and leave the rest, as Im more of a rational recovery kind of person. Im a binge drinker and if I had the choice, thats the type of alcoholism I would have chosen. But it still has plenty of life and health wrecking pitfalls that Im well aware of and dealing with it rationally. Its been a long time since I practiced mature self-control and self-discipline, but Im getting there and Im acutely aware of the dangers of my form of alcoholism.
Congratulations on your sobriety and I guess my point is this disease not only does a number on the alcoholic, but also to everybody close to them. And please try not to make the same mistakes I made coping with her disease.
-90% Jimmy
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Man, that's quite the accomplishment.