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kpete

(72,901 posts)
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:16 PM Jan 2015

SHOCKING PHOTO: U.S. Army Official Recruitment for ‘Mission for God’

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There it was; an in-your-face, proselytizing, U.S. Army officially-approved (goarmy.com) recruiting poster on prominent display at an Armed Forces Career Center in Phoenix, Arizona. That outrageously ghastly graphic encapsulates precisely that which we’ve been ceaselessly calling the attention of the American people to for all this time. The poster astoundingly displays the shoulder tabs of the U.S. Special Forces (i.e. Green Berets), Rangers and Airborne troopers accompanied by the seethingly sectarian slogan “ON A MISSION FOR BOTH GOD AND COUNTRY.”


quite a rant here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/15/1358006/-STOP-READ-LOOK-AT-SHOCKING-PHOTO-U-S-Army-Official-Recruitment-for-Mission-for-God
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SHOCKING PHOTO: U.S. Army Official Recruitment for ‘Mission for God’ (Original Post) kpete Jan 2015 OP
. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #1
CAN YOU SEE THE LIGHT? Brickbat Jan 2015 #2
That's the first thing I thought of! nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #3
Blues Brothers FTW! Initech Jan 2015 #30
Shocked and surprised. marble falls Jan 2015 #4
No, nothing creepy as hell about that. hifiguy Jan 2015 #5
Wait'll you see what they're replacing the Caisson Song with pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #6
Any officer or NCO who signed off on this needs the be reduced in grade and given a bit ... Scuba Jan 2015 #7
I take immediate other than honorable discharge for 1000 Alex. hootinholler Jan 2015 #33
These "god"s are pretty weak. They get easily insulted and need armies to fight their wars. NightWatcher Jan 2015 #8
Gott mit uns. That makes me feel better. NOT. HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #9
It's certainly not fake hootinholler Jan 2015 #34
This is photoshopped. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #10
Look again. The visible rear leg has a visible shadow. nt pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #11
It's floating. There should be a lot more shadow. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #12
The linked article has a link to goarmy.com and claims the official poster is there...but I can not find it. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Jan 2015 #15
The camera is inline with leftmost leg and the sun. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #18
NOT faked. I have seen it. blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #26
All three visible legs have a shadow, pangaia Jan 2015 #29
Even more interesting that you Need it to be fake, Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #43
Nope. Thanks for playing though. n/t hootinholler Jan 2015 #35
* Army commanders order removal of 'God and country' recruiting sign * pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #42
... NuclearDem Jan 2015 #14
What the fucking hell? blackspade Jan 2015 #16
General Wm Boykin was chastised by GWB when he spoke the truth that the War on Terror is essentially blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #17
Not shocking at all. It is the motto of the U.S. Army Chaplin Corps James48 Jan 2015 #19
Would you like to join? James48 Jan 2015 #23
An appropriate motto for the chaplain corps hootinholler Jan 2015 #31
Excuse me, but... James48 Jan 2015 #37
You know who doesn't carry chaplains? hootinholler Jan 2015 #39
I remember our chaplain with 75th Ranger war tab Telcontar Jan 2015 #40
Crusades? mountain grammy Jan 2015 #20
The Marines are more Godly. These are the days of Elijah and all that progree Jan 2015 #21
Members of the Armed Forces sulphurdunn Jan 2015 #24
I love how republicans worried that JFK would be taking his lead from the pope! Fearless Jan 2015 #25
Just wondering tiptonic Jan 2015 #27
For those who think this is photoshopped... unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #28
Gott mit uns. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #32
God, Country and the only fucking paycheck JEB Jan 2015 #36
Any God that would be inspired by the actions of our armed forces. raouldukelives Jan 2015 #38
It is in fact real. justheretoclearthisu Jan 2015 #41
gee we can do isis too........... dembotoz Jan 2015 #44
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. Any officer or NCO who signed off on this needs the be reduced in grade and given a bit ...
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jan 2015

of education on the United States Constitution.



Ghastly.

hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
33. I take immediate other than honorable discharge for 1000 Alex.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jan 2015

That is not supporting or defending the Constitution

NightWatcher

(39,376 posts)
8. These "god"s are pretty weak. They get easily insulted and need armies to fight their wars.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jan 2015

Why are we worshiping them?

In lieu of some armies fighting for one god against another god's armies, why don't they play a once-and-for-all epic battle of Rockem Sockem Robots?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. Gott mit uns. That makes me feel better. NOT.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jan 2015

I thought maybe this was a photoshop...googled and found another posting from November.

I REALLY hop this turns out to be fake.

hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
34. It's certainly not fake
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 10:19 PM
Jan 2015

If Mikey Weinstein says it's so, I trust that is just how it is. As the founder of the MRFF, he has too much to lose for it to be otherwise.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
10. This is photoshopped.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:03 PM
Jan 2015

Notice there are no shadows at the signs legs, the sign looks to be floating. Plus, you can tell the Army Star logo and the top headline has been plopped in over the main picture. You can see the square cut greenish color on both those items and the parallels to the signs frame are not true.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
12. It's floating. There should be a lot more shadow.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jan 2015

the shadow you mention is to hard edged, it's unatural and why only on that particular leg?

The reason the square army star and the headline are another color is because they were lifted off another graphic. If you look closer at the star, the perspective is wrong - it's facing more toward you than following the perspective of the sign itself.

Guaranteed photoshop.

I find it interesting that people Need this to be a real sign.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. The linked article has a link to goarmy.com and claims the official poster is there...but I can not find it.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jan 2015

Huge site.

Response to LawDeeDah (Reply #12)

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
18. The camera is inline with leftmost leg and the sun.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jan 2015

The closest leg is a bit offline, causing an angled look, where one can not see the difference between the shadow on the ground and the leg. It's not the photoshop that that you appear to be hoping for.

Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #22)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. All three visible legs have a shadow,
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:44 PM
Jan 2015

as does the very bottom of the panel facing away from the camera.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
42. * Army commanders order removal of 'God and country' recruiting sign *
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:05 AM
Jan 2015

This is welcome news:


Army commanders order removal of 'God and country' recruiting sign

An Army recruiting station has been ordered by higher ups to shelve a sidewalk sandwich board with the wording "On a mission for both God and country.”

The order went out Friday to a recruiting station in Phoenix that had been displaying the outdoor sign since at least October. The sign board also shows an image of a Special Forces patch and Ranger, Airborne and Special Forces tabs.

An inquiry from Army Times to the U.S. Army Recruiting Command prompted the sandwich board’s immediate removal.

The command’s spokesman told the paper the sign’s text was changed by “local recruiting personnel” but without clearance from command headquarters.

...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026104554
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
17. General Wm Boykin was chastised by GWB when he spoke the truth that the War on Terror is essentially
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jan 2015

a religious war against Islam.

Boykin is board member of The Oak Initiative, a Christian dominionist organization.

So, no, "weaponized rightwing religion" does NOT surprise me, not one bit. Even Obama speaks of employing the "good" of weaponized religion as a top foreign policy strategy, in his Prayer Breakfast speech from 2014.

Christian dominionists have deeply infiltrated to all levels of our government/military; their long term goal is to institute far rightwing "Biblical law" by threat of death.

James48

(5,213 posts)
19. Not shocking at all. It is the motto of the U.S. Army Chaplin Corps
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jan 2015

and has been for a very long time.

Yes, there are Christian Chaplins, Jewish Chaplins, Muslim Chaplins, Buddist, etc.
In fact, the Chaplin Corp reflects America's diverse religious composition.


See :

http://www.army.mil/article/24086/army-chaplains-corps-serving-god-and-country-for-234-years-with-25000-chaplains/

Army Chaplains Corps: Serving 'God and Country' for 234 years with 25,000 chaplains

July 9, 2009

By Randy Murray, Fort Stewart Public Affairs



Chaplain (Col.) Gary Moore, Stewart-Hunter installation chaplain, proudly holds the Army Chaplains Corps' branch plaque. The Army Chaplains Corps is the second oldest branch in the Army and will celebrate its 234th birthday, July 29.

<B> FORT STEWART, Ga. </B> Barely six weeks after the Continental Congress established the Army and the first branch of the Army, the infantry, a second branch was established upon orders by General George Washington, according to Chaplain (Col.) Gary Moore, Fort Stewart's installation chaplain.

The Army Chaplains Corps was established July 29, 1775 and for 234 years, approximately 25,000 Army Chaplains have served more than 25 million Soldiers and family Members, living up to the motto on its branch insignia, "Pro Deo et Patria," which means, "For God and Country."

"George Washington said, 'We need chaplains,'" said Chap. Moore, who hails from the mountain country of eastern Tennessee. "Washington was concerned about both the morale and morals of the Soldiers and believed the Army should provide paid religious leaders to meet Soldiers' spiritual needs."

Chap. Moore noted that Army chaplains have served in more than 270 major wars with six chaplains receiving the Medal of Honor and 27 receiving the Distinguished Service Cross.

He emphasized, however, that since July 1929, Army chaplains are not trained as combat Soldiers.

"We don't even train on weapons now," he said. "According to FM 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare, chaplains come under Category IV of the Geneva Convention. If captured, we're supposed to be treated as detainees. That way, we can be allowed to minister to the spiritual needs of prisoners of war."

Chap. Moore admits this treatment is not always observed by the enemy, but said an enemy's failure to follow the rules of the Geneva Convention has never deterred American forces from doing what's right.

He went on to explain how the mission of the Army Chaplains Corps supplements the Army's overall mission by providing spiritual leadership for the Army Family.

"All leaders care for Soldiers," Chap. Moore said. "Chaplains are leaders too, with a mission to support the commander and serve the Soldier."

General George C. Marshall once said, "The Soldier's heart, the Soldier's spirit and the Soldier's soul are everything. Unless the Soldier's soul sustains him, he cannot be relied on and will fail himself, his commander (and) his country in the end."

According to the Army Chaplaincy Strategic Plan, the three-fold mission of the Army Chaplains Corps helps the Soldier with matters of the heart, spirit and especially the soul: 1) Provide religious support to America's Army across the full spectrum of operation. 2) Assist the commander in ensuring the right of free exercise of religion. 3) Provide spiritual, moral and ethical leadership to the Army.

Chap. Moore began his career as a chaplain in 1986 after serving seven years as a pastor in a Presbyterian, "Yoke-Parrish" church, which simply means, he served two small congregations in eastern Tennessee.

He became interested in becoming a chaplain after taking one of his church members, a high school student, to a recruiter's office.

After receiving the endorsement of his denomination, Chap. Moore was commissioned as an Air Force Reserve chaplain in Columbus, Miss.

Just a few months later, he said he got a call about being an active duty chaplain for the Army.
He has served as a chaplain in Germany, Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan as well as a tour with 7th Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg, N.C., where he gained the rare distinction of being one of only a few chaplains to earn master parachutist wings.

Chap. Moore said Army Chaplains Assistants, now a separate military occupation specialty (56M), will celebrate their 100 birthday, Dec. 28.

Although many chaplains probably had someone assigned or attached to them to help with administrative and logistic issues, Chap. Moore said the Army didn't establish an official enlisted assistant to chaplains until 1909 with General Orders No. 253.

Despite being part of the chaplaincy, he emphasized the chaplain assistant is a "Soldier first and last."

&quot Chaplain assistants) train with and use weapons to provide security for the chaplain," he said. "Though they're not ordained, they are a full-fledged part of the unit ministry team, providing context for the worship area - whether it's for a wedding, funeral, memorial or worship service. They also take up the offering money and list every penny given on an offering control sheet, which is always deposited the day of or day after it's collected."

Because the chaplain assistant is a Soldier first, his combat record is impressive. Chap. Moore mentioned volunteer chaplain assistant Calvin Titus, who earned the Medal of Honor in 1902 for his heroism during the Boxer Rebellion in China.

Corporal Greene Strother, chaplain assistant with the 11th Inf. Regt., earned the Distinguished Service Cross for capturing 14 prisoners and their machine guns in Vieville, France in 1918.
Eight chaplain assistants gave their lives during the Vietnam War.

Army chaplains and chaplain assistants currently serve in over 120 foreign countries.
Chap. Moore said Fort Stewart and Hunter Army Airfield Soldiers and their Families are welcome to join in celebrations at installation chapels as the Army Chaplains Corps looks forward to its 234th birthday later this month and chaplain assistants look forward to their 100th birthday in December.

He assures Stewart-Hunter Soldiers and Family Members their chaplains and chaplain assistants will continue to serve God and country as they serve this community.


http://www.army.mil/article/24086/army-chaplains-corps-serving-god-and-country-for-234-years-with-25000-chaplains/

hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
31. An appropriate motto for the chaplain corps
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jan 2015

Not so much for the fucking Rangers or anyone else in the services.

James48

(5,213 posts)
37. Excuse me, but...
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jan 2015

there are Chaplains in the Ranger battalions.

Sorry- but it burns me that people who know nothing about our military do not take the time to learn a little about how things are structured before making comments.




hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
39. You know who doesn't carry chaplains?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015

Submarines.

How does that there are chaplains in the ranger battalions make this ok?

I stand by my remarks and if you meant me in your snide 'apology' then you're dink.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
40. I remember our chaplain with 75th Ranger war tab
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jan 2015

Gold star jump wings too. He literally could put the fear of God in you.

progree

(12,975 posts)
21. The Marines are more Godly. These are the days of Elijah and all that
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jan 2015

A video of U.S. Marines singing, dancing and worshiping God at Camp Pendleton in California



Some of the lyrics include:

"These are the days of Elijah
Declaring the word of the Lord, yeah
And these are the days of Your servant, Moses
Righteousness being restored

"These are the days of great trials
Of famine and darkness and sword
Still we are the voice in the desert crying
Prepare ye the way of the Lord!"
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
24. Members of the Armed Forces
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jan 2015

of the United States, take an oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. They take no oath to serve anybody's god. Those wearing the uniform of the United States, who think their primary allegiance is to god are unfit to serve in the armed forces and should trade in their uniforms for clerical collars.

Fearless

(18,458 posts)
25. I love how republicans worried that JFK would be taking his lead from the pope!
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jan 2015

Utter stupidity!

tiptonic

(765 posts)
27. Just wondering
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jan 2015

Just wondering, if the 'deciders' who preach this idea, will or have ever carried a weapon. Always sending someone else, to die for their cause.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
36. God, Country and the only fucking paycheck
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jan 2015

available to working class scum. Here, have this bullshit sandwich to eat on your way to becoming cannon fodder. When my son turned 18 the mail box was full of crap from banks and recruiters. I made sure he understood the danger behind their lies.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
38. Any God that would be inspired by the actions of our armed forces.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jan 2015

Is a God I want no part of. "I sniped em good fer Jaysus!"

41. It is in fact real.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jan 2015

I thought it was fake, too. No way the army would let that happen.

It is in fact real, someone higher up in the Army found out and the poster has been disposed of:

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/01/16/-phoenix-mikey-weinstein-recruiting/21873217/

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