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Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:34 AM

Do You think Warren will run?

Not asking if she'd win the primary or if she's electable. Just if you think she'll campaign for the nomination.
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Reply Do You think Warren will run? (Original post)
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 OP
Fearless Jan 2015 #1
peacebird Jan 2015 #29
CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #2
Hari Seldon Jan 2015 #3
Autumn Jan 2015 #14
Dawgs Jan 2015 #17
ucrdem Jan 2015 #4
A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #5
benz380 Jan 2015 #24
saltpoint Jan 2015 #6
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #7
Dawgs Jan 2015 #18
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2015 #8
Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #9
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #11
Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #12
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #13
madville Jan 2015 #10
pampango Jan 2015 #15
tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #16
Dawgs Jan 2015 #19
tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #22
oberliner Jan 2015 #20
Iggo Jan 2015 #38
Autumn Jan 2015 #21
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #23
Autumn Jan 2015 #25
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #26
Autumn Jan 2015 #28
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #32
gwheezie Jan 2015 #27
BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #30
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #33
BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #34
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #35
BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #40
Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #31
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #36
Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #37
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #41
Vinca Jan 2015 #39
Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #43
Vinca Jan 2015 #45
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #42
Marr Jan 2015 #44
HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #46
HappyMe Jan 2015 #47
hrmjustin Jan 2015 #48

Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:39 AM

1. I hope.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:13 PM

29. Me too

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:42 AM

2. I hope she won't. n/t

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:18 AM

3. I thought she was running already

 

Absolutely the most effective campaign I have ever seen.

I cannot remember a candidate who was so eagerly awaited.

Oh I know she says she isn't, but I give that zero consideration.

When the public indicates that they want you to be president, then you ARE running for president. The primaries are merely a formality.

She is running, and she is winning.

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Response to Hari Seldon (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:17 AM

14. I like the way you think.

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Response to Hari Seldon (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:02 PM

17. Yep. And for those that "hope" she doesn't run because they thinks she's best as Senator.

 

She will be mostly ignored after the new President is sworn in because much of her popularity surrounds the idea of her running. That and everyone will be focusing on what the new President is doing..not what Warren is doing.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:33 AM

4. Kind of think she won't.

She wants to, and she's got a great team singing her praises, but if she doesn't pick up some major endorsements she's going to have to give it up for this cycle anyway. NPR asked Jerry Brown last week who he was backing and he said HRC, and if Jerry's okay with it I'm okay with it. The interviewer tried hard to get a disparaging word or wink too but Jerry didn't budge.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:35 AM

5. Not in '16.

Later on down the road.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:58 PM

24. She'll be 70 in 4 years. nt

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:42 AM

6. If she were running, there would be a trail

of contacts -- calls and meetings -- for a campaign staff and fundraising apparatus. Strategists would have been approached.

None of that has happened.

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Response to saltpoint (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:02 AM

7. You think she would have lready established those?

We're still a couple of years out from the general, would she have started putting together those frameworks already? I'm British and our elections last maybe 10 weeks so I wouldn't know.

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Response to saltpoint (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:04 PM

18. Why? Obama didn't have any of those things at this point in 2007. n/t

 

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:37 AM

8. Doubt it,

but I'm happy she's my senator.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:47 AM

9. "NO!"

 

How many times does she have to say it? Jesus!

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Response to Stephen Retired (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:48 AM

11. AFAIK, she's not said she won't run

She's said she isn't running but not that she won't run (AFAIK, although I welcome correction). Subtle but important difference.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:07 AM

12. You're pinning a "campaign" on semantics?

 

I'm sorry, but that's just pathetic.

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Response to Stephen Retired (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:12 AM

13. Personally? No

I'm not pinning anything on anyone (that sounds like it would hurt). But I know some here still think she'll run and I was curious how many thought that.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:45 AM

10. Probably Not

The corporations and banks would not allow her to win. They know they win either way if HRC gets the nomination, she won't affect them much differently than Jeb or Mitt.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:41 AM

15. Wish she would and hope she wins but I do not expect her to.

Her expertise in economics is worth a lot in the senate. She would have to get up to speed on foreign policy - which she could well do - since presidents have to have a knowledge of that. I think she will stay put in the senate.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:47 AM

16. No

The ultimate decider on whether or not she will run is Elizabeth Warren. She has said repeatedly that she does not want to run, and I believe her.

A presidential campaign puts a lot of stress on the candidate and their family. I don't think she wants that (and it's very legit that she does not).

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Response to tabbycat31 (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:05 PM

19. Could be wrong, but I don't think she's said "she does not want to run".

 

Just that she wasn't.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:37 PM

22. There could be other factors too

I read her book about 6 months ago, and IIRC her husband wasn't very keen on her running for senate. I'll have to get it out again next time I go to the library

If she chooses to keep her marriage in tact instead of running for president, would anyone here fault her?

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:06 PM

20. How many times does she have to say she isn't running?

 

How much clearer does she need to be?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:02 PM

38. "I shall not seek, nor will I accept..."

She knows the words.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:11 PM

21. I hope she does, I understand if she decides not to. But we need someone to run

who will look out for the poor and working class, Another 4 or 8 years of this we are fucked.

I'm counting on Bernie unless Liz steps up.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:56 PM

23. I think Bernie would have an even harder time of it

He describes himself as a "socialist" (although he's closer to a Social Democrat) and you know that word is anathema to much of the genpop.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:02 PM

25. People like his message. I post his things on FB and it says Bernie Sanders Independent.

My republican friends and relatives always click like and I can't think of a one who doesn't agree with what he says.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:06 PM

26. Trying to think of how to phrase this

You know how a load of people think Obama's the reincarnation of Stalin? Imagine what they'd do with a guy who actually describes himself as a Socialist. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone trying to murder him.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:13 PM

28. I have a teabagger ex BIL in Texas, As racist as can be, hates Obama with a passion.

He likes Bernie. I posed what Bernie said about SS and the one about Veterans and he is still sharing those posts that I posted last week. They like those Socialist programs, and they like anyone who says they must be defended and goes into detail about them.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:22 PM

32. I'd love it if he did run

You don't really have a left party over there. You have one centre-right (Dems), one fringe-right (Repubs) and the Teabaggers are outright Fascist. But you don't really have anything on the left. Even Obama is centre-right by global standards.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:13 PM

27. Same here

Some of my friends who were attracted to the teabags early on due to the populist message and then realized they were just rightwing loons support bernie.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:15 PM

30. Unfortunately, no. Most of America isn't as liberal as Massachusetts.

And with Senator Warren on the warpath with Wall Street (granted, that's a GOOD thing unless, of course, you need money in order to win a nationwide election, which is currently the case), all Wall Street money will flood to her Republican opponent, and she'll be crushed. That is, unless people can open powerful PACs equal to those Wall Street PACs and educate the uneducated American voter in time for the Primaries - which is a tall order, at best.

Even Senator Obama needed Wall Street money in order to win from McCain in 2008.

Wall Street (albeit begrudgingly) supported Senator Obama because of the crash, and they - just as we - know that Democrats are the ones who can bring them back from the brink of financial disaster. And we did. But traitors that those Wall Street billionaires are, they turned on then President Obama in 2012 and gave the lion's share of their donations and PAC money to Mittney. But by then President Obama really didn't need them since he was well-known among the electorate and although he didn't copy the 52.9% win from 2008, he did win with 51.1% in 2012.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:24 PM

33. That's pretty much my view as well

In America, you don't really seem to have elections anymore, just auctions. And Warren, good as she is, scares the piss out of the big money boys.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:33 PM

34. Exactly. Senator Warren is GOOD for Mainstreet, but Wall Street *fears* her, and they won't support

her. And as well-funded as MoveOne.org, even if they were to join forces with other progressive action groups, they can't match the money Wall Street will deluge the candidates with this coming election cycle.

I love Senator Warren, and I do hope she'll run because she'll have my vote in the primaries, but above all else, I want a Democrat in the White House because of three potential Supreme Court seats - Bader-Ginsberg, Kennedy, and Scalia - that will be up for replacements in the next decade. I don't want a Republican President to choose their successors.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:19 PM

35. I have three major issues

1) Climate change. I absolutely will not support anyone who denies that A) the earth is warming or B) that humans are the primary cause.
2) Poverty. I will not support anyone who opposes or wants to cut the minimum wage, food stamps or unemployment. I think the minimum wage and food stamps should both be tripled and Clinton's disgraceful gutting of welfare should be repealed post-haste but those aren't a litmus test, just my opinion.
3) Gay rights. I will not support anyone who denies the right to marry to our gay comrades.

Everything else, I'm open to negotiation on. Being British, I can't vote for your president anyway but I'll support (and encourage my friends to vote for) the most liberal candidate available in teh primary and whoever the Dems nominate in the general on teh grounds that teh Democrats might be imperfect but teh Republicans are downright Fascist.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:17 PM

40. Excellent major issues that you've noted there! I agree, 100%.

There is no sane human being on Earth with more than half a working brain who can deny, with any credibility, that humans don't play a huge role in the alarming climate change we're experiencing.

Equal rights for gay people is here to stay - unless, of course, we get a fully rightwing SCOTUS that might overturn the law through gutting it, just as they've done to the Voting Rights Act. Can you see now how incredibly important it is to ensure that we have a Democrat in the White House? Two of the three justices ready for retiring are Republican justices. Scalia is the worst, only second to Justice Thomas, though. And Kennedy, the so-called "swing voter", has actually been swinging pretty rightwing lately. Both, however, are entering their eighties and ripe for retirement. So they'll either retire or keel over in their posh seats a la the late Chief Justice Rehnquist - a former Rightwinger.

But to address your worries regarding Welfare reform, I'll defer to a 2006 interview by the Examiner with Ron Haskins; one of the people who had helped pass the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA)
http://www.brookings.edu/research/interviews/2006/08/24welfare-haskins

It will help give you an insight to the behind-the-scenes machinations in getting this particular bill through, and why it was necessary. To note: President Clinton vetoed two earlier bills to reform Welfare because it was too Republican...i.o.w., it was too harsh on the less fortunate American people who needed help.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:18 PM

31. Not if Clinton is running.

She polls far behind Hillary.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:19 PM

36. How far behind?

Is it a few points or are we talking impossible-to-counter numbers?

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:59 PM

37. It's a pretty wide spread.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/228136-hillary-clinton-keeps-massive-lead-over-warren

"The CNN/ORC poll released Sunday finds that Clinton leads by 57 percentage points, 66 percent to 9 percent, over Warren. That lead is essentially unchanged from a CNN poll in November, when Clinton was up 65 percent to 10 percent."

Warren is a political crush of mine as well, but I like Clinton too (not all of her positions, obvs.) I don't think Warren would consider making a Quixotic run against a politician that she's already come out in support of.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 05:56 PM

41. Ouch, that's pretty crushing numbers

Barring some unknown, I think it's pretty likely that HRC will end up being the nominee.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:04 PM

39. No. I hope she'd take Secretary of the Treasury though. Or a SCOTUS nomination.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:00 PM

43. Is she qualified for SCOTUS?

I know it's not actually required that justices have a legal background but it's usually the case.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:10 AM

45. Technically, I'm qualified for SCOTUS . . . a frightening thought.

Elizabeth Warren would make a brilliant justice.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 05:58 PM

42. saw my first Hillary bumper sticker this week. "i'm with Hillary"

 

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:02 PM

44. Seems like a coin toss to me.

 

A smart politician who intended to run would now be doing what she's doing; keep it quiet until the campaign season starts, and stay out of the magnifying glass as long as possible.

But this looks more or less identical to what a politician who has no intention of running would be doing so... there you go.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:55 AM

46. IMO, her point of view will most certainly run for the presidency.

She's made it legitimate for dem politicians to chaff at the leash of The Financiers.

And she's demonstrated there is a deep well of support to be tapped by anyone who does so.

Events may impose addition issues on the campaigns of 2016, but whoever is running will be forced to acknowledge that.

Running or not she's bent what was the conversation.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:58 AM

47. Sadly, no.

I'm waiting for primary season.

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Response to Prophet 451 (Original post)

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 10:00 AM

48. No, she doesn't want the job.

 

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