The Talk

[napkinz]

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updated January 23, 2015

[HappyMe]

1. k&r

[99th_Monkey]

2. Incredibly Moving. Huge K & R !

[2naSalit]

3. K&R!!

[zeemike]

4. Hell I never dreamed it ether.

I seriously thought it was over in the 70s...but then the 80s came along and things changed.

[napkinz]

9. "but then the 80s came along and things changed"

one word: REAGAN

[sheshe2]

5. Sad but true napkinz.

Thank you for posting Michael D' Antuono's graphic.

[napkinz]

11. and conservatives wonder what all the "fuss" is over BLACK LIVES MATTER

[SunSeeker]

6. K & R

[WillyT]

7. K & R !!!

[BumRushDaShow]

8. K&R

Bravo at those illustrations!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. ...

[napkinz]

12. Artist Michael D'Antuono Depicts 'The Talk' Black Parents Have With Their Son About Police

Shenequa Golding
January 19, 2015

Black mothers and fathers across the country at some point have had to have "the talk" with their sons, to teach them how to act when encountering police, and most importantly, how to stay alive.

Artist Michael D' Antuono created a powerful painting portraying what many African-American parents experience when trying to explain to their sons the gross injustice surrounding the killings of Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, Tamir Rice or the many other young black men killed by the hands of law enforcement.

In the portrait titled "The Talk" the television screen shows a split frame of a now deceased smiling black boy wearing an orange hoodie and a white police officer with the words "No Indictment In Police Shooting Of Unarmed Black Youth" scrolling along the bottom of the television screen. On the walls of the home photos of a straight faced Dr. King and President Barack Obama hang, and while Antuono doesn't show anyone speaking in the portrait, one can see the parents struggling to find the words.

Antuono--who studied at the Parson's New School of Design-- took to his Facebook page to discuss the progress, or lack their of, that has been made in regards to race relations in this country.

"I doubt Dr. King dreamed in 2015, African-Americans would still need to warn their young sons about the dangers of being black," he said.

http://www.vibe.com/michael-dantuono-the-talk-portrait

[napkinz]

13. kick

nt

[madokie]

14. I love that picture of the Mayor and his son

[napkinz]

15. if only Pat Lynch had a heart

Andray @AndrayDomise
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I really want people to remember that Bill de Blasio was blamed for police deaths by virtue of being a responsible parent to a black son.
7:13 PM - 20 Dec 2014 1,918 Retweets 1,432 Favorites

https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/546503765302722560

[madokie]

19. That is one happy family

at peace in their own skins, no fake there at all

This is the kind of man I'd like see advance in politic to a higher office at some point in time.

Lots of love right there

[napkinz]

21. "at peace in their own skins" ... and yet, sadly, they can't be at peace in their own skins

just posted by Dark n Stormy Knight: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026122330#post16

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This is the kind of man I'd like see advance in politic to a higher office at some point in time.

future governor, senator, president

[hifiguy]

41. He's a man of principle and high character.

Hope that doesn't hold him back.

[napkinz]

49. I hope he runs for higher office ... we need more Democrats with spine!

nt

[smirkymonkey]

59. Beautiful family!

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

16. This has been posted often, but always worth a mention in this context, I think.

American Skin (41 Shots)

AMERICAN SKIN (41 SHOTS) [{Transcribed and researched by SpringsteenLyrics.com}]
Album version

(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)

41 shots, and we'll take that ride
'Cross the bloody river to the other side
41 shots, cut through the night
You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule
Praying for his life

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in your American skin

(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)

41 shots, Lena gets her son ready for school
She says, "On these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you, promise me you'll always be polite
And that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it a wallet (is it a wallet), this is your life (this is your life)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in your American skin

(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it in your heart (is it in your heart), is it in your eyes (is it in your eyes)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)

41 shots, and we'll take that ride
'Cross this bloody river to the other side
41 shots, I got my boots caked with this mud
We're baptized in these waters (baptized in these waters)
And in each other's blood (and in each other's blood)

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it a wallet (is it a wallet), this is your life (this is your life)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in your American skin

41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots...

[napkinz]

18. had never heard that song before

powerful lyrics

"You can get killed just for living in your American skin"

thank you for sharing

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

22. So powerful the NYPD...well, I'll let the articles explain.

Previewed live in Atlanta in June 2000, this then-unreleased song makes specific and powerfully direct reference to the killing by four NYPD officers of an unarmed 23-year-old Guinean immigrant, Amadou Diallo, in 1999. The performance prefaced Springsteen’s ten-date run in Madison Square Garden, and before even hearing it, the head of the NYC Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association called on the city’s 27,000 cops to boycott the shows by refusing to work as security guards. NYC Police Commissioner Howard Safir supported the boycott, while Mayor Giuliani complained that ‘there are still people trying to create the impression that the police officers are guilty.’ Of course, Springsteen added the song to his MSG set.

http://www.timeout.com/london/music/100-songs-that-changed-history-14

An NYPD chief tried to show Bruce Springsteen who's the Boss - yanking the singer's police escort from Shea Stadium after he performed a song about cop-shooting victim Amadou Diallo. Chief of Department Joseph Esposito got angry when he heard Springsteen sing "American Skin (41 Shots)" at last Wednesday night's opening show at Shea, a police source told the Daily News. Esposito, the highest-ranking uniformed cop in the department, ordered the escort cut for Springsteen's next show, on Friday night, the source said. The Boss did not play the song that night or the next - and the security detail was restored for the Saturday night finale. Springsteen's spokesman did not return calls for comment about the snub or whether he cut the song from the last two shows to mollify the cops. Boss biographer Dave Marsh, who is married to band co-manager Barbara Carr, called the police reaction "petty foolishness.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/cop-out-bruce-nypd-pulled-boss-shea-escort-41-shots-article-1.515436

[napkinz]

25. thanks for the context

I remember the Amadou Diallo story.

The police response then to Springsteen's song sounds like the police response to today's "Black Lives Matter" demonstrations. They still are in denial and won't tolerate criticism. Then and now, they demand respect. But as another member said, respect has to be earned; it can't be enforced.

And there's Rudy being Rudy.

[Cha]

17. Well done, napkinz, thank you!

PHOTO: New York City Mayor, Bill de Blasio and son Dante de Blasio attend Celebrate Brooklyn! Opening Night Gala And Janelle Monae Concert at Prospect Park Bandshell, June 4, 2014 in New York

http://abcnews.go.com/US/conversation-black-parents-kids-cops/story?id=27446833

[napkinz]

20. thanks Cha!

how can the police turn their backs on this good man, this good father?

shame on them

thank you for sharing the article

[Cha]

23. I know.. so Twilight Zone.. and looks like they'll be waiting forever for that

"apology" that they felt they were owed.. for NOTHING.

The Mayor of NYC has reality to attend to..

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio Makes Solidarity Visit to Paris

http://time.com/3675633/bill-de-blasio-paris-charlie-hebdo/

[napkinz]

26. no apology coming ... good for the mayor

Mayor de Blasio: No Apology For NYPD

January 15, 2015
by David Christopher

In a morning press conference held today January 15th, Mayor Bill De Blasio said he would not apologize for his statements demanding police accountability and end to racist police practices. Those statements put the NYPD police union on the defensive as well as angering many cops and police supporters. He reasoned,

“The things that I have said that I believe are what I believe, and you can’t apologize for your fundamental beliefs.”

read more: http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/01/15/mayor-de-blasio-no-apology-for-nypd/

[Cha]

55. “The things that I have said that I believe are what I believe, and you can’t apologize for your

fundamental beliefs.”

And, there it is..

[napkinz]

56. the only apology owed is one by Pat Lynch for his "blood on hands" statement

... an apology he owes to the mayor and his family

[Cha]

57. Absolutely! Give it up, Pat Lynch.

[Cha]

24. BIG KICK 4 THe TALK!

[napkinz]

27. thanks Cha

[BrotherIvan]

28. I am so angry and sad

All it would take is for one cop to be held responsible, for the word to go out that you can't kill a someone with black skin and get away with it. One DA with the guts enough to hold a cop to the standard of the law. But in the US, we have decided that our military, our intelligence agencies, our politicians, and our police are above the law. They can kill someone like me anytime, anywhere.

[napkinz]

29. "One DA with the guts enough to hold a cop to the standard of the law"

the problem is every DA has to work with police officers; they rely on them ... so they are reluctant to prosecute

the question is, how do we change this reality?

[BrotherIvan]

32. Independent prosecutors

And quite obviously, the commanders of the police forces are severely corrupt. And end the war on drugs right this second, because that is what give them the excuse to terrorize and brutalize the populace. End it now.

[napkinz]

34. sounds right to me ... if only we could get the rest of the nation on board

the truth: war on drugs is really a war on African-Americans and Hispanics

[BrotherIvan]

37. Excellent graphics

Thanks for sharing. I protest against war, now it's time to go up against the war happening in our own streets. It will be very tough as now the police are very lucrative to the MIC which should be updated to include security and police. If we can't take them on in our own country, the rest of the world is doomed.

[napkinz]

46. Want cops to stop killing unarmed black kids? Just follow these 5 steps ...

http://deadstate.org/want-cops-to-stop-killing-unarmed-black-kids-just-follow-these-5-steps/

[BrotherIvan]

48. So sad and so true.

[napkinz]

30. ...

[marym625]

31. between the rampant racism,

the horrible hate for transgender people, the unbelievable long lived and embedded misogyny and the only slightly waning homohating, I am really sick from it. We've gone backwards when it comes to civil rights and civility.

Great post, napkinz.

K&R

[napkinz]

36. thank you marym625

"We've gone backwards when it comes to civil rights and civility."

Last year the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act.

And they are about to do the same to the Fair Housing Act.

And we can't expect any remedy from this REPUBLICAN Congress.

(The GOP wants to take this country back ... back to the 1950s!)

[marym625]

38. and they will succeed

Unless we organize better. We have to stop this madness. And it has to start at a grassroots level and hit money hard. Because money controls it all.

50 million could march on Washington DC and it wouldn't change a damn thing if we continue to support the money that makes the laws.

[hifiguy]

40. More like the 1850s. n/t

[napkinz]

44. I was shocked to learn that some states celebrate Robert E. Lee's birthday ...

Happy Robert E. Lee Day!

January 19, 2105
By Jamelle Bouie

Why some states can’t celebrate MLK without remembering the Confederate general, too.

Every state celebrates Martin Luther King Jr. Day, but not every state celebrates it the same way. In New Hampshire, King’s birthday is “Martin Luther King Jr. Civil Rights Day,” an explicit celebration of the entire civil rights movement (and a compromise with lawmakers who didn’t want a day devoted to King alone). In Idaho, it’s “Martin Luther King, Jr.–Idaho Human Rights Day,” a celebration of justice writ large. And in three states — Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi — MLK Day is also Robert E. Lee Day

This isn’t a different Robert E. Lee — some forgotten crusader for human equality. No, this is the Gen. Robert E. Lee who led Confederate armies in war against the United States, who defended a nation built on the “great truth” that the “negro is not equal to the white man,” and whose armies kidnapped and sold free black Americans whenever they had the opportunity.

-snip-

There are three other states that commemorate the life of Lee: Georgia, Florida, and Virginia.

read more: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/01/robert_e_lee_day_some_southern_states_still_celebrate_the_confederate_general.html

[cyberswede]

33. :cry:

[YoungDemCA]

35. Than you for this! If I may, here's my post in the other thread...

And (white) people-and I admit upfront that I am white-still wonder why African-Americans are often deeply suspicious of police officers and the criminal justice system in general.

Well, imagine if it was your child who was always on the receiving end of suspicion, judgement, harassment, bullying, and other forms of abuse and dehumanization-all because of the color of his or her skin. Imagine if every encounter your child had with a police officer was potentially fatal to your child-again, all because of your child's appearance.

Now imagine that you and your children were still expected-not just that, but legally obligated-by the society and country you live in to fully, 100% comply with those same people at all times: the bullies, the abusers, and the suspicious racists.

"To protect and serve." That is the stated purpose of police in this country. Yet, African-Americans and other people of color often feel that the real purpose of the police is to "protect" white America from African-Americans and other people of color.

And just to preempt any protests: I know that there are many police officers with good intentions. This isn't about that, though. It's about the systemic violence of the criminal justice system-of which the police are a part-as an institution, violence which is heavily directed toward African-Americans and other persons of color.

Anyway, K&R.

[napkinz]

45. "And white people ... still wonder why African-Americans are often suspicious of police officers and

the criminal justice system in general."

They are the same people who deny white privilege. The same people who talk about "black-on-black crime" but never talk about "white-on-white crime." The same people who see African-Americans protesting the death of an unarmed black male and call them an angry mob, but see white Americans rioting after a football game and say nothing.

[napkinz]

47. ...

[hifiguy]

39. So true and so sad.

[Stellar]

42. Richard Pryor said he went to court looking for justice

and that's what he found JUST -US.

[napkinz]

51. yep ... found the clip

[Stellar]

52. WOW!

I haven't heard this album in YEARS!

[Stephen Retired]

43. Did this make it to Greatest Threads?

If not, I would ask that you go to V&M and RAIN recs upon it!

[napkinz]

50. cross-posted ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017239999

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118712081

[spanone]

53. k&r...

[sheshe2]

54. Kicking

[cwydro]

58. Kick. nt

[smirkymonkey]

60. +1000

[Solly Mack]

61. K&R

[napkinz]

62. This Is How Black Parents Talk To Their Sons About The Police

High-profile tragedies such as Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin have further exposed the systemic racism that still lives within our country – young unarmed black males are disproportionately being killed.

Gun violence is the leading cause of death among black children, with black teen males at the highest risk. Because black males are targeted so much by police, black parents are now forced to speak to their children about police brutality and how they’re perceived by the people that are supposed to protect them. This is a conversation that white parents have never even had to think about.

Jazmine Hughes wrote an article for Gawker about black parenting in which she reached out to a group of black parents and youths to see what they tell their sons about the police. She writes:

“Every black male I’ve ever met has had this talk, and it’s likely that I’ll have to give it one day too. There are so many things I need to tell my future son, already, before I’ve birthed him; so many innocuous, trite thoughts that may not make a single difference. Don’t wear a hoodie. Don’t try to break up a fight. Don’t talk back to cops. Don’t ask for help. But they’re all variations of a single theme: Don’t give them an excuse to kill you.”

read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/21/this-is-how-black-parents-talk-to-their-sons-about-the-police/

[napkinz]

63. posted by kpete

Charles M. Blow: "The Scenario I Have Always Dreaded - Yale Police Stopped My Son At Gunpoint"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026138192