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[NYC_SKP]

1. It reminds me of cheated elections, we know there was fraud but there is NEVER a do-over.

So what is the message that is sent when there are no consequences?

Do it. Cheat. Cheating is ok.

And, if you don't cheat, you're a LOSER.

That is the message our culture sends in sports AND in politics.

Amiright?

[KMOD]

4. Amen,

er ummm

Damn Straight!!!!

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Funny thing about the press conference today....

Brady was saying he likes his balls exactly at 12.5 PSI. He says they're perfect when inflated to 12.5.

But then he says he couldn't tell that they were 2 PSI less during the game.

How is that possible? He's so particular about his balls, but he couldn't tell they were inflated to 10.5 PSI?

I hope Seattle destroys these guys.

[KMOD]

6. He was clearly lying through his teeth.

It was quite obvious, and awkward.

Go Hawks!

[former9thward]

12. Go Pete Carroll who has the most violations of

Performance Enhancing Drugs with his players.

Seahawks' lead in PED bans under Carroll

The Seattle Seahawks lead the NFL in suspensions for performance-enhancing drugs since Pete Carroll became coach in 2010, research by ESPN Stats & Information shows.

Defensive end Bruce Irvin's four-game suspension, announced Friday, was the fifth during that span, according to research ESPN's Steve Martinez conducted using STATS PASS.


http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/100145/seahawks-lead-in-ped-bans-under-carroll

[KMOD]

14. nah, nah, nah

I always love that!

insert smiley with ears plugged singing lalalalal I can't hear you.

[pnwmom]

24. And why aren't he and the coach begging the League to get to the bottom of this

as quickly as possible -- so people can stop blaming them?

Why hasn't Brady gone to the League to talk to them? Why wait for the League to come to him? And what are they waiting for anyway?

[DrDan]

33. of course he can tell the difference - that is his multi-million dollar job - handle the ball

he must think the fans are idiots to have made that statement

[JI7]

3. i'm not into football or most sports but don't both teams play with the same ball

so why is this whole thing seen as being an advantage to one team ?

[KMOD]

5. They don't.

Each team provides their own balls.

[JI7]

7. during the game it's just one ball at a time isn't it ?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

8. I believe the Colts quarterback has gigantic hands

so he prefers a highly inflated ball, whereas Patriots QB
Tom Brady has tiny hands and likes the football as small
as he can get it.

[BainsBane]

20. LOL

Did you just insult Tom Brady's manhood?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

23. I believe he has one large hand and one small hand.

The problem is that his small hand is his throwing hand, hence
disinflated football.



And here's Colt QB Andrew Luck's hand...

[brewens]

21. There you have it. Plus the kicking game. I was a big lineman in high school but

could throw a football really well. I did have kind of just average sized hands though. Just that little bit softer ball would have been an advantage. Just like how I could dunk a volley ball one handed but not a full sized basketball. I could out pass our QB's both my junior and senior years but with our power I and old school T formation attack, we didn't throw all that much. It would have been really stupid to play me at QB just because I could hit a reciever a little farther downfield.

Give Brady a little better grip and also know you can't hit a really long FG attempt when your opponent doesn't? So it didn't come down to that to decide the game, but no one knew that going in. You can't now kick the Pats out and let the Colts play because of that. You'd screw all the Pats fans. It won't matter anyway because the Seahawks will tear them out a new asshole! GO Seahawks!

[Wounded Bear]

22. They actually have different balls for the kicking game...

No, they really do.

[KMOD]

9. Yes. They do trade balls in and out though.

Each team brings 12 balls, and many times 12 alternate balls. All balls are inspected by the officials. And they play with their own balls. I'm being silly with my wording on purpose, because Bravenak and Uppity like this humor, and they crack me up

But it's truthful, and I hope it makes sense to you.

[KingCharlemagne]

16. OT, but I'm so reminded of "Clark Kent gets into Superman's pants

every morning."

[KMOD]

19. lol

[Iggo]

10. Two different sets of footballs.

One for one team, one for the other team.

[former9thward]

13. And all balls are handled by the refs on EVERY play.

Why didn't they say anything???

[Iggo]

15. Just explaining to J17 that the teams don't play with the same footballs.

[former9thward]

42. So?

They handled the Pat's footballs on EVERY play. Why silence?

[KMOD]

17. yeah, when all else fails

blame the refs.

I don't think it's a subtlety they would notice. QBs certainly would though.

[former9thward]

43. Oh, the refs handle the football on EVERY play

in EVERY game but they don't know the difference... Right. Even though it is THEIR job to make sure the footballs are inflated properly.

[MADem]

29. Why isn't someone checking the balls from the git-go? If the refs handle the balls on every play,

why can't they handle them before the game and just top 'em off as needed?

I mean, really--major league baseball doesn't let each team bring in their own vaseline smeared baseballs--the ump checks the ball before it goes into play.

I think the NFL has a responsibility to adhere to standards in this case. We're not talking something that is truly "personal equipment" -- it's a "game ball." People from both sides will be fondling the thing (if they get their way, anyway) ...it makes sense for the NFL to have a hand in maintaining standards.

[former9thward]

44. They do.

They check the balls two hours before the game and then give them to both of the teams' ball runners.

[MADem]

45. How, then, were they able to change the pressure in front of a hundred thousand fans?

I think this is much ado about nothing--it's a Rovian technique. Smear someone, put them on the defensive, get the torch-and-pitchfork crowd after them, and convict them without evidence. Move over Don Siegelman, you've got a cellmate named Brady!

[former9thward]

47. Your question is why I believe this is media driven nonsense.

Although the NFL has not exactly helped matters.

[MADem]

48. I never was terribly rabid over football...

And I've always preferred it when the bounty could be shared--I like seeing different teams win, and I know the Patriots have been a powerhouse. Even though I am from New England, I don't mind when other teams win the Superbowl...however, I get the sense that this scandal is "scripted" to create drama, that it's a fake, that it isn't real.

For that reason, where I'd normally not really give-a-shit, I hope the Patriots are juggernauts and kick some serious ass.

[brush]

32. Each team plays with the balls they provide . . .

they don't use the same balls.

[FSogol]

38. They play with the balls they came with....

[ecstatic]

11. "they didn't need to do it "

How do you know? Maybe they did have to do it to win, and maybe they've been doing it for years.

[KMOD]

18. I don't

And they very well could have been doing it for years.

Doesn't take away from Brady's ability though.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. Doesn't take away from Brady's ability though.

maybe not to your eyes but, Yeah it does, to my eyes.

respect, lost.

[MADem]

30. I said it elsewhere, I think Brady is getting the Karl Rove treatment.

Like so: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6123027

Where can he go to get his good name back?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

41. ... lol ...

Wherever Rove/Brady go to find it, Maybe they will get lost ... One can hope

[MADem]

46. Brady, in my example, is likened to the imprisoned governor of AL.

The accusers of Brady are the Rovians in this equation.

[Elwood P Dowd]

28. They didn't need to do it to win. They were killing the Colts at the LOS, running at will on them

with traps, counters, etc., and would have won the game with any type of football used in that game. Also, the Pats defense totally shut down the Colts, both running and passing. A slightly deflated football would have had little effect either way. The game was won by the guys up front that dominated the Colts on both sides of the ball.

I wanted the Colts vs the Packers in the Super Bowl, so both of the teams I was pulling for lost. That being said, the Pats are a much better team than the Colts. The Pack just flat out chocked with their second half insane and stupid strategy.

[brush]

34. What if Brady had overthrown some receivers and was intercepted . . .

if he were using the harder, regulation ball?

Luck overthrew several receivers with the hard ball.

In the first half the game was still close. A pick six by the Colts on an overthrow would have completely changed the dynamics of the game so you can't say that the softer, easier-to-throw ball had no effect.

And the balls were not slightly delfated, they were deflated by a full 2psi — 11 of the 12 Patriot balls.

The Colts balls were all at the correct psi.

So what's up with that Pat fans?

Your boys were up to their dirty tricks again (spygate, uneligible receivergate, tuck rulegate, and now deflategate.)

Stop with the cheating Patriots.

[nilesobek]

35. Patriots will need divine intervention on Super Sunday.

You cannot cheat fate. Russell Wilson and the Seahawks are about to do what's never been done. A rookie quarterback winning 2 Super Bowls in his first three years. Wilson will surpass Brady and become the greatest quarterback who ever lived.

[Capt. Obvious]

36. Do you know what rookie means?

[nilesobek]

37. He's not a rookie anymore.

He has had the most stellar career of any QB starting from his rookie year. Just look at those numbers: 43 wins and 12 losses since he has been a starter, which was on his first day. He hasn't been injured either.

I guess he's not that popular because he's short and black.

[Capt. Obvious]

40. I thought it was because he's not black enough?

http://deadspin.com/russell-wilson-blows-off-claims-that-hes-not-black-eno-1651193514

[Whiskeytide]

39. I'm sure you must realize...

... that whether they need to or not doesn't matter. I agree they would have won the game anyway. But if I commit election fraud, it doesn't matter if it turns out I would have won even if I hadn't done so. If I cheated on an exam, it doesn't matter that I knew the subject well enough to have passed even if I didn't cheat. When Brady had the balls deflated he did so because he thought he needed to. His guilt and culpability are unaffected by anything that happens after that.

[pnwmom]

25. Maybe they did need to do it for some games, like their 4 point win over the Ravens.

So it's a habit. Sometimes it affects the outcome, sometimes it doesn't.

[merrily]

27. When ANYthing involves that much money and adulation......

[GeorgeGist]

31. Obviously they didn't agree with you.