Can I Ask The Brave Among Us To Answer A Question ???

[WillyT]

Why Hillary ???

There are some who still think she got screwed in 2008, and it's her turn.

There are some who think she's a lock for a win in 2016, and that's enough.

There are some that want to see the first female President of the U.S., and that's enough.

There are many that think she's misunderstood, and will be a female model of current liberalism.

There are a multitude of reasons... So no polls here.

Just a question: What's YOUR reason ???

[LawDeeDah]

1. she flew around the world A Lot and was So Tired.

I've heard that one, doesn't really connect with me tho why this is a resume thing for Pres.

[benz380]

7. Wrong! She ain't no ways tired! She said it herself n her southern drawl. nt

[doc03]

3. We are told she has the best chance of getting elected. Myself

I would rather not have another Clinton a lot of what is wrong today is the result of the last Clinton.

[madokie]

4. Who ever the nominee is gets my vote

In the pimary whoever it is I like best gets my vote but when it comes to the general I'll go with the dem every time

[bigwillq]

5. I am anti-Hillary.

So I can't answer your specific question.

[LiberalEsto]

6. Two words: Supreme Court

I'm not enthusiastic about her; she's an absolute Corpocrat

But I want a Democratic president making the next couple of Supreme Court nominations

[dsc]

75. yeah Ginsburg sure sucks

worst justice ever. I am so upset that we didn't get another Clarence Thomas instead, he is so much better.

[TwilightGardener]

8. Name brand placed on shelf at eye level.

That's what the consumers will grab.

[hatrack]

25. And we have a winnah . . .

Beyond that, I can't think of a Goddamned thing - not even extra flouride to fight cavities.

[arcane1]

33. Nailed it in only eight words!

[smirkymonkey]

72. Good way to put it.

That is the only, and I mean only, reason I can think of. There are very few positives.

I will vote for her if she is the Dem nominee, but will be holding my nose.

[JaneyVee]

9. Because she's polling well and no one wants the theocratic-fascists in the WH.

[benz380]

11. Cause I ain't no left leanin' independent & I'm scared of the Great Wall Of Text. nt

[LawDeeDah]

12. ...

[KingCharlemagne]

13. Being an adult means sometimes we must vote AGAINST the greater evil. Consider, for

example, a hypothetical general election contest between Ms. Clinton and Ms. Palin. I think the logic behind my statement is almost self evident, is it not? It gets a bit trickier when one puts Ms. Clinton up against a weasel like Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney. Even there, though, I would argue that the protection of Roe v. Wade merits a nod in Ms. Clinton's direction.

I do not support Ms. Clinton and will not vote for her in the CA primary. But I simply cannot conceive of any Republican (save perhaps Jon Huntsman and I don't know too much about him) who is remotely less evil than Hillary. Today's Republican Party and its members exemplify and personify the concept of the 'banality of evil.' Adults must vote against that.

[JaneyVee]

14. Exactly. Defense is equal to or sometimes greater than offense.

[840high]

30. Thank you. I share your view.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. Being an adult also means ...

Recognizing that if your answer begins with pretending something that isn't, it's probably not a reasonable answer.

The question assumes the choices are narrowed to the two party system that we currently live in.

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. Yes ...

there are literally thousands of political parties active in the US ... three of which regularly make it on the General election ballots, and only two, that regularly receive more than 40% of the votes cast ... so tell me how you answer was reasonable in the context of universe we live in?

I know ... I know ... that all can change.

[hunter]

61. Yep, two-party system limits us.

In this world the Democrat is always better than the alternative.

Obama is an overwhelmingly competent centrist. I enthusiastically voted for him twice even though I am a radical leftist, progressive, and environmentalist.

Better to vote for someone who can do the job (being President is difficult) than a someone else's hand-up-the-President's-butt-making-his-lips-move like a Reagan or George W. Bush.

[woo me with science]

17. That lesser of evils scam doesn't fly anymore.

Voting for the lesser of evils keeps moving us further into evil. We are now at a point where half of American schoolchildren live in poverty, and a few billionaires own half of the wealth of the planet.

We keep teaching corporate thieves that all they have to do to continue their agenda is play this "lesser of two evils" scam on us. We have taught corporate Democrats that they can enact literally a fascist agenda and still get our votes. We have to unteach them that.

It's our only hope at this point, because we're going down either way.

And no, not gonna argue about this. I have heard the Supreme Court arguments, and I find them to be bullshit. On what planet can we trust that a Third Way predator will protect the Supreme Court, when the current Third Way administration is aggressively dismantling our Bill of Rights and making a mockery of what a "Justice Department" is supposed to be?

It's a tactic of Third Way propaganda to leap ahead and try to argue from the point at which Hillary is already the nominee. I refuse to go there. There is nothing more important right now than STOPPING her or any other corporate predator in a Democrat suit from being shoved down our throats as our party's nominee. Because if the Third Way can do that, they have ensured that the predatory agenda continues no matter who is elected.



Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

What is the NSA really for? (Corporate power and suppression of dissent)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024215519

"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508

Corporate Espionage and the Secret War Against Citizen Activism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111643982

NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923016

Keiser Report: CIA, NSA & Economic Espionage (E498) (second half with Greg Palast)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017146372

Spooky Business: Corporate Espionage Against Non-profits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024106205

NSA data could be most useful for connected types on Wall Street.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983519

NSA spied on EU's Anti Trust Chief
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024204596

2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585

OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025225549

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025509395

U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings As Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024488178

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014549454

President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x536574

Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101613051

James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025401662

An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025030391

Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014808253

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023337088

NSA can store a billion cell phone calls.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023125853

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014605329

PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/55928/pbs-frontline-exposes-softly-bushs-and-obamas-authorization-and-coverup-of-nsa-illegal-surveillance-of-

Stopping police militarization = confronting corporate politicians (increased under Obama)
...http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416709

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025383806

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017174990

Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1232435/-Rachel-Maddow-on-David-Miranda-and-the-White-House

Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6380567

Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change
http://www.obamatheconservative.com/

Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014860709''

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation

"My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025339047

Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/05/02/further-legitimizing-targeted-assassinations-by-drones/

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/17/endless-war-on-terror-obama

President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022960012

Obama Justice Dept. declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014843337

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11781446

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration DOJ fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4410768
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1#ixzz2qKWem3w8

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389

DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021911441

Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586380

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586369
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1168570

DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586375

Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/04/obamas-war-journalism-coming-head
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269998

Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002650922
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5585204

Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014801804

Obama DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014487549

Obama/Holder DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025407823

Obama DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/doj-sits-on-its-thumbs/

Obama DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5427407

Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships
http://www.forfeiturereform.com/exporting_corruption_doj_looks_for_lucrative_overseas_partnerships

Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/05/obama_s_justice_department_holder_s_leak_investigations_are_outrageous_and.html

The DoJ under Obama/Holder refused to prosecute anyone for torture...but Holder had no problem prosecuting a CIA agent who leaked the name of a torturer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846735
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0

Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024906501
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017201343
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025558689
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014571503
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025503531

Obama Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014170619

Obama DOJ Argues ‘No Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informant’
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025309330

Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024880788

Obama/Holder DOJ Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023334909

How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023253563

Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492539

US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023086724

Obama DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023455121

US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/09/raid-s29.html

ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/aclu-sues-doj-ignores-surveillance-transparency-law

Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The only official punished by Obama DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/27/obama-war-on-whistleblowers-purpose

DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784727

Heavy Redactions in DOJ Memo leave doubts on Data Surveillance Program
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101952

Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114180

DOJ's outrageously aggressive prosecution of internet activist, Aaron Swartz
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/al-franken-eric-holder_n_2934627.html

Under Obama DOJ, Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962

Obama/Holder DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman,
Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Elena-Kagan--Willing-Acco-by-Michael-Collins-100622-971.html

[LiberalElite]

19. +1,000,000 nt

[KingCharlemagne]

21. Please note that I articulated a tactic of voting AGAINST THE GREATER EVIL, not

voting for the lesser of two evils. IOW, the objective of all progressive-minded folk should be to prevent the consolidation of a one-party state under the control of the fascists. If that means one must cast one's ballot for a member of the bourgeoisie like Hillary, so be it. Better her than a one-party fascist state.

FWIW, I plan to support and vote for Bernie Sanders if he changes his party registration to Democratic to enter the lists. (And as far as I'm concerned, Sanders isn't sufficiently far enough left to suit my tastes! The German Communist Party and Social Democrat Party refused to work together with one another to oppose Hitler. (In fact, the German Communist Party welcomed Hitler's ascent to power as an 'ice-breaker' that would herald the proletarian revolution.) We've seen what a failure to oppose the consolidation of a one-party fascist state has done in the past and, imo, we must do everything in our power to prevent it from happening ever again.

Do you think I'm over-exaggerating or engaging in hyperbole when I call today's Republican Party 'fascist'?

On an unrelated note, I'm blown away at all the work you've done compiling the catalogue of links. But is there a purpose to presenting them here? I'm assuming there is and I'm just a bit slow on the uptake tonight.

[Omaha Steve]

23. Obama was the better choice in 08 & 12

Or do you think the other two would have been better?

[hatrack]

29. That was then, this is now

.

[Omaha Steve]

34. After the SOTU

I think he is better than a lot of people ever thought.

[840high]

27. + a zillion. I love you.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. Bookmarked for required reading.

[glasshouses]

42. you rock

[Katashi_itto]

44. I will not vote Hillary. Period. Given the choice of

a slow death by a thousand paper cuts under Hillary whose economic policies are little different for the Republicans, who works actively for the corporations, was an architect to TPP ...

Or a quick one by the Republican's family values version equivalent of Caligula, who might disrupt the system quickly enough for people to rise up and replace the current system with something else. Look at what Brownback is doing to Kansas as an example (Brownback just hasn't gone far enough yet,just a matter of time there)

Whatever system it might be Reformed Capitalism, Despotism, Socialism, Communism. At 50% poverty for children anything is better than the corrupt, non-representative system we have now.

I'll take the quick one.

[LuvNewcastle]

63. Same here. I'm tired of doing the same thing again and again

and expecting different results. It's time to break the chain.

[99Forever]

55. K&R

[WillyT]

60. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

[JEB]

71. K&R&bookmark

[uponit7771]

74. ++++OVERT STRAWMAN NOTED++++ SOP for arguments against HRC...

... the person said voting AGAINST the great evil not for the lesser evil...

nice try, but we got cha

[HereSince1628]

47. If only it was just sometimes...It'd be easier to bite the bullet of pragmatism

but it sure seems like a lot more than sometimes.

Indeed, it often feels like it's whenever a DLCer/Third Wayer is out there campaigning for a national office.

Reminds me of a twisted beer commercial ... moderately skunky but less evil.

[CrispyQ]

77. Ah, the old 'vote for the lesser of two evils' argument.

I've done that to the point that I am now voting for candidates I would never have voted for 25 years ago.

[OregonBlue]

15. If she gets the nomination I will vote for her. She is a Dem and I feel kinda like the black guys on

Larry Willmore last night who kept saying they voted for Obama because he was black.... I'll vote for her because she's a woman. Not that I wouldn't vote for another good Dem but if we have a good Dem who is also a woman, that's who I'm voting for. The fact that I'm a 65+ year old woman who has been waiting for a woman president or vice president my whole voting life might have something to do with it.

[LiberalElite]

20. IMO there's a bit more to be considered.

- P.S. I'm an over 60 yr old woman.

[OregonBlue]

70. I agree but I suspect she will get the nomination and I will vote for her.

[CK_John]

18. Nobody else stepped up and the public has decided that she'll be the candidate.

[winter is coming]

31. WTF? The primary season hasn't even started. Cool your jets, bro. n/t

[cally]

22. She's not my choice but two things I do like about her

is that she has spent much of her political life advocating for women and she understands the right wing hate machine. Hillary is way too much of a hawk and too close to corporate interests but I do value her efforts to help women worldwide. I've seen no other politician running for President who pushes these issues as much. I also doubt she will make the same mistake as Obama and think the Republicans are not out to hurt her.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. Add ..

She is by far the most knowledgeable about world affairs, of any of the likely candidates ... republican or Democrat.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. For me a Primary means people stand for the nomination and I consider them.

Let me know when any of that is actually going on.

[braddy]

26. Isn't it a little early to lock into something? Meaning, against someone?

[First Speaker]

28. She wouldn't be my first choice--however...

...she is infinitely preferable to any conceivable Republican candidate. She is probably the most politically experienced woman in the US. She's been a lawyer, Senator, Secretary of State, traveled extensively, and of course been First Lady, which gives her a perspective no other President has shared. If she is a "corporatist", then it's up to us to get her to see reason--and reality--in the White House, and I suspect, or at least hope, that she would expect that of us. And she brings her husband with her as First Gentleman, and he has some little experience himself... And I think, too, having an older woman in the White House would be a good thing for the country. I'd be more than content with Hillary as President.

[catbyte]

32. I hope she doesn't run.

I just never trusted her. It isn't logical, it's a gut feeling. Iraq, that creepy church group, Wall Street. Nope.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

37. Because they've heard of her, and she's the only one the media are covering

Most Americans are too lazy to research candidates for themselves.

[Agnosticsherbet]

39. I will happily vote for her if she wins the primary.

Durring the primary I will compare what poicies and programs she proposes against the other candidates. I will also watch the regular polls in head to head matchups against Republicans. I will choose the candidate that I think has the best chance to kick Republican Ass. On small mark in her favor is that she is a woman. I think men have had ample chance to screw everything up and it is time take another step to equal opportunity. But that is not a deciding factor.

Just before the primary I could give you reasons why I choose a candidate, but not until then.

It matters which party is in charge.

[KMOD]

40. Has she officially thrown her hat in the ring?

[immoderate]

41. There are no GOOD reasons.

Sorry.

-imm

[ChosenUnWisely]

45. The better question to ask is why is she even a Democrat?

[aikoaiko]

46. She's a Democrat, she can win, and she can lead-

That's why I think I she is a viable candidate.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

48. First and foremost, I like and respect her: she's smart and tough

Second, as I said elsewhere, Bill Clinton was easily the best President in my lifetime (caveat: Barack Obama cant be fully judged until a few years after he leaves office, IMO -- so far I largely approve of what he's done), and I think she'll use Bill's abilities to her advantage.

Third, she's been SecState, Senator, and a more than passing participant in the operations of the White House and the Arkansas governors mansion. Nobody on either side has that résumé.

Fourth, I don't see anybody else on the Democratic side of the political equation at this time who can win over the independent middle. To be sure, when you get out of Christie/Bush/Romney, the Republicans have identical issues with folks like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Elizabeth Warren is a very good Senator, but in a national election she'll be beaten over the head with the Native American thing; shown up for having no meaningful foreign policy experience; and pressed on why she had a change of heart after being a Republican in the 1990s. Bernie Sanders has indicated himself to be a democratic socialist, and that will be a deal breaker for about 2/3 of the country. Martin O'Malley should go take Barbara Mikulski's seat in the Senate.

Fifth, the IWR vote is not a deal-breaker for me. I think, as the junior senator from NY, politically she had no choice. Schumer voted for it as well, In any event, I blame the Iraq War squarely on Bush/Cheney, who falsified and exaggerated intelligence to lead us into war.

[wyldwolf]

49. I'll answer with another question -

WHY do people here keep asking that same question over and over and over again?? Oh, it might be worded a little different - but it's essentially the same question.

Do you just not like the answer?
Do you keep hoping someone will trip up and you can say 'gotcha?"

WHY do people here keep asking that same question over and over and over again??

[randome]

50. Are you confusing inevitability with support?

One doesn't need to see Clinton as our best choice but she is the only one who is (presumably) running right now. And she will win. That's just a recognition of reality. You seem to be still in the denial stage.

Reality doesn't need to be scary. It can be your friend.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[winter is coming]

73. "Reality" is that we were told the same things in 2007 and Hillary didn't win. n/t

[merrily]

51. Why Hillary? The answer to that just may be speculative.

For one thing, we don't know what was said in the meeting between her and Obama as the 2008 primary ended, amidst PUMAs promising to vote for McCain Palin, etc.

[Octafish]

52. Friends with all the Right people.

That one does have me wondering. Another WTF from that happened in... Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

We need to drain the swamp.

[gwheezie]

54. I've liked and respected hillary for years

It was difficult to vote for her in my primary in 08 because of her iraq vote. I thought the right person won the primary fair and square and had no problem voting for Obama in 08 and 12.
I think hillary has a unique experience of being in th wh during 2 presidential terms. I think she's pretty savvy and knows how to weather rightwing loon storms.
The way I decide on who to vote for is not so much by the known issues but how they handle the unexpected. Look at 9/11 and Katrina for bush. I think hillary will be like obama and be thoughtful and measured in her response to any crisis.

[Nyc72dem]

56. Brave?

I went to Parris Island at 18! Who you calling a chicken just because I'll NEVER vote for her?!?

[MineralMan]

57. Why not? She's a prominent Democrat with

great polling. We need to elect a Democratic President.

Why shouldn't she be running in the primaries? If she wins those and gets the nomination, I'll be voting for her and encouraging others to do the same.

[librechik]

59. yup

It's not like we'll get a more liberal choice anyway. Coke or Pepsi, the policies don't change all that much.

[WillyT]

64. True... I Guess I Could Have Asked Why One Would NOT Vote For Hillary Clinton...

Why they wouldn't want Bill living in the White House...

Why they might be concerned with his input into her decisions.

Why she doesn't just take the money, the accolades, ans enjoy her final years as a grandmother.

[JI7]

66. there are many grandparents who enjoy working

[MineralMan]

67. "enjoy her final years as a grandmother..."

Really? I'm sorry, but that's the kind of thing that has kept women out of prominent political offices for decades. It demeans Hillary Clinton's considerable accomplishments. The concern about Bill Clinton being in the White House is along the same lines. He's been the President. He served in that office for 8 years. Why would you assume that Hillary Clinton, as President, would be ruled by her husband's opinion? I think she probably has her own ideas about that office, don't you?

Anyhow, she'll probably enter the primaries for the office. We'll see how she does, but I suspect that she'll do quite well in those elections and will end up as the Democratic candidate for the general election.

Your vote is your vote. Use it wisely. That's my suggestion.

[hfojvt]

69. that's too obvious

some can see her as part of the Rubin-wing of the party, which is an enemy of the working class, and some, apparently cannot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022085948

[YoungDemCA]

78. Are you implying that Hillary is just an extension of her husband?

Because that's not only wrong, that's also offensive.

Bill will not be the President again. Fact. From what I've seen, many of the anti-Hillary attacks-from all political quarters-are really about Bill.

[abakan]

58. If nominated I will have to vote for her...

Not with any enthusium but the alternative is too frightening to consider. Hilliary is more republican under the skin than I'm comfortable with.

[WillyT]

65. Yep... And Therein Lies The Problem...

[hunter]

62. My first choices would make most U.S.A. voters shit their pants in fear.

But they'll come around eventually, probably when the oceans are drowning some coastal cities, and other cities have no water.

Until then I'll always vote for any competent Democratic centrist candidate over any right wing fascist racist freak.

[hfojvt]

68. there are some who liked her in 2008

and still like her today.

[dsc]

76. I have no idea who I will support this time

but have to say I have no problem voting for Hilary. First, I think she is smart, hardworking, right on many issues I care about (specifically she is right on gay rights, right on education, right on how Republicans must be dealt with). Second, I do think having our first woman President is important. It isn't so important that I would vote for her over say Martin O Malley if he were to run and have good foreign policy ideas but it is important. I admire both the fact she took, and how she preformed at, Secretary of State.

[Kalidurga]

79. I won't vote for her in the primary, that is a gimmee.

I won't ever vote for a Republican that is also a gimmee.

So, the only reason to vote for Hillary is if she wins the primary.

I hope she announces she won't be running and to prove it she endorses another candidate. At this point I don't care who, I am just tired of all the talk about her having a lock on the nomination.

[rock]

80. Votes