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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:20 PM Jan 2015

MUST-READ MICHAEL MOORE: "My 12 Years of Support For The Troops"

From Facebook:

"My 12 Years of Support for the Troops "

Before I post my more general thoughts later today or tomorrow about the ruckus of the past week regarding the response to my heartfelt comment on twitter about my uncle who was killed in World War II by a sniper - and how I was taught to despise snipers of any stripe - I would like to address this one insane mantra that the right-wing has twisted my tweet into: "Michael Moore hates the troops."

Well, who would know better about hating our troops than those who supported sending them into a senseless war Iraq in the first place?

And, for 4,482 of them, a senseless, unnecessary and regrettable death.

If you supported that invasion, if you voted for George W. Bush and the Republicans and Democrats who backed this war, then you are the ones who have some 'splainin' to do. Not me. You.

Because only "haters" of our brave young men and women would recklessly send them into harm's way for something that had absolutely nothing to do with defending the United States of America. Nothing. Nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. In fact, WE, the USA, were the ones who provided Saddam with his weapons in the 1980s that he used against the Kurds. We wanted him to use them against the Iranians, but you hand a crazy guy crazy weapons, something crazy is probably going to happen. Ask Osama bin Laden about that -- what he did with the crazy training, crazy money and crazy weapons that WE gave him. Oh wait. You can't ask him. Because the new president took him out. No 150,000 troop invasion necessary. Just 12 or so Navy SEALS and two and a half choppers.

Here's the truth they can't or won't report: I'M the one who has supported these troops - much more than the bloviators on Fox News. To prove it (and I know this is going to crush some of you out there), here's just a partial list of all the things I do and have done for those men and women who serve -- and I guarantee you, you've never heard any of this reported about what the real me does because, frankly, it messes up their little story of the fictional "Michael Moore" they've created for your hate and enjoyment (please feel free to cut, paste and send this to your conservative brother-in-law):

** I have an aggressive affirmative action policy specifically to hire Iraq and Afghanistan veterans at my film production company, my movie theaters in Michigan and my film festival. I have asked other businesses in my town (and nationwide) to join with me on this. http://www.traverseticker.com/story/michael-moore-asks-businesses-to-hire-a-vet . A vet was an editor on my films "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "Sicko" and a vet (who served in both Iraq AND Afghanistan) is the projectionist at my flagship theater in Michigan (to name a few).

** I also ask people to post a sign I designed and have made available: "I Shop Where Vets Work". Here's my policy and the poster: http://www.statetheatretc.org/veterans#opening (Can someone at Fox News send me your posted affirmative action program to hire Iraq and Afghanistan vets?)

** Since I opened my movie theaters in northern Michigan, this has been my admission policy: "Admission to all movies at my theaters is FREE, 365 days of the year, for ALL active duty military and their families."

** I allow local veterans support groups to use my theater to meet for PTSD issues, I host quarterly PTSD summits, and I've hosted a conference to start a jobs movement for vets in our town.

** I have raised tens of thousands of dollars through my website for groups that help veterans and wounded warriors: http://web.archive.org/web/20140829053240/http://fahrenheit911.com/soldiers/

** In the early years of the war I made all my books and DVDs available free of charge to all service members through BooksForSoldiers.com

** I produced and hosted a benefit for military families at the House of Blues that received national attention to their plight (raw clips here from the AP:

vimeo.com/117687290

** I will NOT do business with vendors who don't have a policy to hire vets.

** I gave voice to the troops who weren't being heard by publishing a book of their letters from the front lines in "Will They Every Trust Us Again?" (NY Times bestseller for 4 weeks)

** I regularly post blogs from troops http://www.ivaw.org/blog/ivaw-featured-michael-moore and I show and support many movies about what they've gone through in the past 12 years at my theaters.

** I took vets, soldiers and their families on a 60-city tour of the country so their concerns could be heard:



** I helped Iraq Vets against the War with "Operation Recovery" http://www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/how-bout-dinner-just-you_b_791535.html

** My movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11" - #1 selling/#1 rental on all military base PXs

** My books were the #1 requested books by troops from the nonprofit BooksForSoldiers.com

** I sit on the Advisory Board of the Pvt. Bradley (Chelsea) Manning Support Network

** From the Dept. of Irony: I only hire Navy SEALS and ex-special forces for when I need security - such as this week, when so-called supporters of those SEALs want me harmed.

** When my father passed away this year, in lieu of flowers I asked that donations by made in my dad's name to the veterans group, Veterans for Peace. Enough money was raised so that the Vietnam Vets chapter could build a home in Vietnam for a family still suffering from the effects of Agent Orange. It's being dedicated in my dad's name.

** I am currently showing "American Sniper" at my theater that I helped restore and that I program and help run in Manistee, MI. Not because I like it, but because, unlike the other side, I'm not a censor. I trust smart people and people of good heart will know what to do. You can't have a conversation about what Clint Eastwood is up to if you haven't seen what it is he's up to. And regardless where u are on the political spectrum, you'll see that every character in Clint's film comes out dead or permanently damaged. This ain't no John Wayne rah-rah pablum. Eastwood made maybe the greatest western ever - "Unforgiven" - but now it's sad seeing him talking to an empty chair on a stage or making an Iraq movie that Rolling Stone this week called, "too dumb to bother criticizing."

In the end, the thing I'm most proud of for what I've done for the troops was sticking my neck out 12 years ago to become a leading opponent to Bush and the war. I tried to save more lives than a sniper ever could hope to -- by preventing us from going to war in the first place. Well, I failed at that. But I've done everything else humanly possible to try and make it up to those troops when they return home -- that is, the ones lucky enough to return home.

So, Fox News and the other lazy media -- quit making shit up about me!
You look ridiculous. If you want to have a debate with me about the ISSUES and the POLICIES, then let's have it. If you want to debate a movie that's trying to rewrite history, then let's have that. But when you hide behind falsehoods and then use them to try and manipulate the public, then all you are is afraid. Afraid of me, an unarmed American, and the truth I bring along as my sidekick. Only cowards have to lie. Be brave. Report the truth. It will feel good.

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MUST-READ MICHAEL MOORE: "My 12 Years of Support For The Troops" (Original Post) Hissyspit Jan 2015 OP
HUGE KNR! JaneyVee Jan 2015 #1
I have never used this smilie before, but.... louis-t Jan 2015 #2
k and r Stuart G Jan 2015 #3
Excellent. pa28 Jan 2015 #4
+ 1 nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #13
"Think about"? They don't erronis Jan 2015 #25
Kinda funny that those of whom you speak seem to agree with Fox Noise. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #38
K&R for Truth to Power... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #5
It's not just Fox News either. Even our San Diego CBS "newsmodel" was immediate & categorical stuffmatters Jan 2015 #22
Most of the on-air programming is just that - PROGRAMMED erronis Jan 2015 #27
It's just especially frustrating in San Diego where the rightwing controls all the major media stuffmatters Jan 2015 #32
They do not control all of the media because here you are controlling a bit of it, with truth. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #40
Here's the website for his theater: Cooley Hurd Jan 2015 #6
Great post! (eom) CanSocDem Jan 2015 #7
Wow, in my nearly ten years as a member here I don't think I've ever recommended a post before. BlueStater Jan 2015 #8
Bravo, Michael Moore, Bravo! A huge K&R mountain grammy Jan 2015 #9
K&R !!! SamKnause Jan 2015 #10
That's what you get to say when you actually walk the talk BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #11
Magnificent!!!! calimary Jan 2015 #12
What's especially infuriating is, the same Republicans and Democrats blasting Michael Moore chrisa Jan 2015 #14
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #30
Smack Down! nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2015 #15
Righteous, brother Moore, righteous Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #16
Excellent! I can think of a few rw crazy MM haters BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #17
I love Michael Moore malaise Jan 2015 #18
K&r... spanone Jan 2015 #19
More Moore! valerief Jan 2015 #20
Very nice. Thanks! blackspade Jan 2015 #21
I repeat: Michael Moore is a God! joanbarnes Jan 2015 #23
America's right wing propaganda operation The Wizard Jan 2015 #24
Precisely. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #29
Bump Logical Jan 2015 #26
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #28
K and fu@&ing R N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2015 #31
Notice that not one of DU's hawks has a response to this tenderfoot Jan 2015 #33
Yep, I noticed too. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #34
He's just like James O'Keefe, don't ya know? Hissyspit Jan 2015 #37
Information is powerful, who knew? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #41
Yeah it is kinda funny, not one of the MM haters has showed up in this thread. Rex Jan 2015 #46
Courage, brother! cp Jan 2015 #35
gun humping repuke logic Skittles Jan 2015 #36
Talk about IN YOUR FACE! AZ Progressive Jan 2015 #39
K & R! n/t xocet Jan 2015 #42
Now that's supporting the troops! Initech Jan 2015 #43
Bravo mikekohr Jan 2015 #44
kudos for michael moore allan01 Jan 2015 #45
K&R napkinz Jan 2015 #47
Bookmarked narnian60 Jan 2015 #48
Kick nt Hissyspit Jan 2015 #49
Yep, saved... Deuce Jan 2015 #50
Shennanigans Telcontar Jan 2015 #51
I gave this a k and r! Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #52
recommend samsingh Jan 2015 #53
Drop the Mic! (or Mike lol) Takket Jan 2015 #54
He should know better. What you do does not matter. What you want to do doesn't matter. enki23 Jan 2015 #55
Michael Moore has always spoken for us Generic Other Jan 2015 #56
Rec Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #57
Go Mike! A REAL American Hero! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #58
Kick nt Hissyspit Jan 2015 #59
Kick nt Hissyspit Jan 2015 #60
This is just awesome. Thank you, hissyspit! raven mad Jan 2015 #61
K&R! TRoN33 Jan 2015 #62
Book marking Puglover Jan 2015 #63

erronis

(15,216 posts)
25. "Think about"? They don't
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jan 2015

Nor do they care. My guess is that many of them on this and other boards are nothing but shills (or robotic shills). Their main intent is to deflect meaningful discussion and to poison the well for anybody that wants to "think about".

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
22. It's not just Fox News either. Even our San Diego CBS "newsmodel" was immediate & categorical
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jan 2015

in snearingly denouncing critics of this movie as "unpatriotic", anti troops etc. It's the same MSM talking stooges who
never questioned the stupidity of this war or the government that lied America into it.

I noticed none of the MSM Sunday news(gasbag) shows booked Michael Moore. Too "equal timey" for any of them?

erronis

(15,216 posts)
27. Most of the on-air programming is just that - PROGRAMMED
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jan 2015

Every now and then you see some well-coiffed news-person speak outside of the scripted presentation. Rarely. And when it happens, unholy unshit takes place.

Other than a few truly user-supported media outlets (some PBS/NPR and some university stations), most of them take their marching orders from higher ups.

And the highest up is not some benevolent lord of fairness - unless you think that money == fairness.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
32. It's just especially frustrating in San Diego where the rightwing controls all the major media
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jan 2015

To the extent that these "well coiffed" news actors/actresses feel so secure that they frequently pepper their newscasts with the snide personal asides on everything from Occupy San Diego to the minimum wage hike.(voted through by our Democratic City Council). Barbara Lee Edwards (our local CBS) openly denounced graffiti ( "murderer" written across an Amer Sniper billboard in LA) it was just par for the course here. Not only that local CBS programmed this prattle of a story into our evening news, but that this newscaster felt ok just chiming in with her own moral outrage.

It happens here all the time on our local news & it's really disgusting. Amazingly San Diego is a demographically left leaning city, but
rightwing controls all the major newspapers, internet feeds and tv stations. Very frustrating.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
40. They do not control all of the media because here you are controlling a bit of it, with truth.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jan 2015

Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans in July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to remain silent.

From its inception, IVAW has called for:

Immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq;
Reparations for the human and structural damages Iraq has suffered, and stopping the corporate pillaging of Iraq so that their people can control their own lives and future; and
Full benefits, adequate healthcare (including mental health), and other supports for returning servicemen and women.

http://www.ivaw.org/about

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
8. Wow, in my nearly ten years as a member here I don't think I've ever recommended a post before.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jan 2015

But there's a first for everything.

1+

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. That's what you get to say when you actually walk the talk
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jan 2015

Instead of being a guy with a flag pin and a yellow ribbon on their car screaming about patriotism. Good work, Mr. Moore.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
14. What's especially infuriating is, the same Republicans and Democrats blasting Michael Moore
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jan 2015

probably continuously work towards cutting benefits and help for Veterans so CEOs of large corporations (especially the defense industry) can have a bigger chunk of the government budget dedicated to buying useless junk from them.

Why did Chris Kyle die in the first place? No one's talking about that. They're more interested in the cartoonish image created of his military service.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
17. Excellent! I can think of a few rw crazy MM haters
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jan 2015

Who think MM is "against the troops"...all the disgusting Flush and Fux lies....... tempted to send this. But, nah...it wouldn't wake them up.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
24. America's right wing propaganda operation
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jan 2015

praises lies and vilifies the truth. Everyone at Pox News should be donating their pay toward the benefit and well being of those damaged by Pox lies.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
28. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jan 2015
All Fox has is lies. They are as dishonest as the Bush Administration.

Way to go, Michael!

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
34. Yep, I noticed too.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jan 2015

And there are also the ones who hate Michael Moore because he dared to criticize Obama who are nowhere to be seen in this thread.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. Yeah it is kinda funny, not one of the MM haters has showed up in this thread.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jan 2015

I guess they could find nothing to concern troll about the article.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
36. gun humping repuke logic
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jan 2015

senseless wars are OK, killing in a country we invaded for no reason is OK but OMG criticize propaganda disguised as a movie? BAD!!

allan01

(1,950 posts)
45. kudos for michael moore
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 07:55 PM
Jan 2015

and i am SO SICK AND TIRED OF BEING CALLED NON PATRIOTIC. how many of "those " folks been to the front line or served. if they havnt . SHUT UP and sit down. this guy puts me to shame . i always thank a vet .cop teacher nurse etc and have done so since a little boy. been doing this long since this was cool. what makes these idiots more patriotic than me ?

narnian60

(3,510 posts)
48. Bookmarked
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jan 2015

so I can whip it out & show my Fox-watching mom next time she calls him, "nothing but a traitorous, fat slob."

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
51. Shennanigans
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jan 2015
** My movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11" - #1 selling/#1 rental on all military base PXs


I call bullshit

enki23

(7,787 posts)
55. He should know better. What you do does not matter. What you want to do doesn't matter.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jan 2015

The size of your flag pin, and all its attendants, is what matters.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
56. Michael Moore has always spoken for us
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jan 2015

It's why it makes me physically sick when I see him trashed here.

I have spent untold hours defending him at DU over the years. And I would willingly do so again.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
61. This is just awesome. Thank you, hissyspit!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jan 2015

I hope this goes viral! Bookmarked, kicked and - yep - old me printed it!

Michael Moore is a true !!!!!

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