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Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:11 PM

Ok I think we may have reached the edge of the crazy

End Obamacare, and people could die. Thatís okay.
We make such trade-offs all the time.



Seriously. That's the headline of an op-ed in the Washington Post


The author is a resident scholar at AEI, a preeminant GOP think tank. Forgive the misnomer.

Say conservatives have their way with Obamacare, and the Supreme Court deals it a death blow or a Republican president repeals it in 2017. Some people who got health insurance as a result of the Affordable Care Act may lose it. In which case, liberals like to say, some of Obamacareís beneficiaries may die....

...If these are the stakes, many liberals argue, then ending Obamacare is immoral.

Except, itís not.

In a world of scarce resources, a slightly higher mortality rate is an acceptable price to pay for certain goals



When this kind of naked economic amorality is floated, we should probably take notice.

Republican incubators of thought; You can't live with 'em. You can only live without 'em

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Reply Ok I think we may have reached the edge of the crazy (Original post)
Rose Siding Jan 2015 OP
niyad Jan 2015 #1
hedda_foil Jan 2015 #25
betsuni Jan 2015 #2
hifiguy Jan 2015 #28
Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #37
Scuba Jan 2015 #3
madokie Jan 2015 #24
Triana Jan 2015 #4
tclambert Jan 2015 #8
Triana Jan 2015 #11
3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #26
gregcrawford Jan 2015 #5
world wide wally Jan 2015 #6
spanone Jan 2015 #7
Bucky Jan 2015 #9
daredtowork Jan 2015 #10
rwsanders Jan 2015 #12
genxlib Jan 2015 #13
hifiguy Jan 2015 #29
lovemydog Jan 2015 #14
guillaumeb Jan 2015 #32
NBachers Jan 2015 #15
Moonwalk Jan 2015 #16
Curtis Jan 2015 #17
hedda_foil Jan 2015 #27
AZ Progressive Jan 2015 #18
JaneyVee Jan 2015 #19
Buns_of_Fire Jan 2015 #21
hifiguy Jan 2015 #31
WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2015 #20
ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #22
bemildred Jan 2015 #23
Frustratedlady Jan 2015 #30
hifiguy Jan 2015 #34
Chemisse Jan 2015 #33
immoderate Jan 2015 #35
handmade34 Jan 2015 #36
Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #38
seveneyes Jan 2015 #39
NotHardly Jan 2015 #40
winter is coming Jan 2015 #41
nakocal Jan 2015 #42
TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #43
blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #44

Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:22 PM

1. we passed the edge of crazy a lonnnnnng time ago.

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Response to niyad (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:12 PM

25. Yep. We entered the edge a long time ago. Now...

Now we are pinballing around the ninth circle of crazy.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:35 PM

2. Kind of nice that Mr. Scrooge came right out and said it.

The comments to the article are good -- I'm relieved to see everyone is disgusted.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:20 PM

28. Years ago war criminal and Hillary Clinton BFF Henry Kissinger said

 

that the world was going to have to deal with the problem of "useless eaters." They're just saying it in public now. There is a substantial surplus population over the number of slaves they will need or choose to keep alive.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:14 PM

37. The truly useless eaters, who even run a massive eatery deficit, are the .001%.

Shall we starve the .001% beast?

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:48 PM

3. Hey, asshole, when you raise taxes on the wealthy, no one dies, they just have one fewer Mercedes.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 06:33 AM

24. I really don't even think it will mean one less mercedes

we're talking rich assholes here who have enough money to take in most everyone else in this country and feed, cloth and house them, damn sure all the poor and downtrodden. fuck a bunch of rich jackasses
and the motherfu*kers want more tax breaks

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:20 PM

4. "scarce resources"

 

my ass. We have plenty of resources - water, food, medical equipment and medicines. And -- money. Problem is, it's all being destroyed for profit and the money hoarded by a very very tiny minority of humans on the planet. The resources are NOT "scarce". However ACCESS to them is difficult because of historic inequality driven by incessant, umitigated GREED of the people who think it's A-OK that those who don't have ready access to plentiful resources - just drop dead.

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Response to Triana (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:58 PM

8. The richest country on Earth can't figure out how to pay for universal health care?

When the next 19 countries have figured it out. The resource that's scarce isn't money. Perhaps Republicans are saying Americans just aren't as smart as people in the other 19 of the G20 countries. Intelligence is the scarce resource. Except it hardly takes much intelligence to figure this out. Medicare for all. There. Done. You're welcome.

So, not money, and not intelligence. Maybe compassion? The ability to care for other human beings? Yeah, there's where your Republican wealth-hoarder has a scarcity. There are only so many things a person can care about. And your typical Ayn Rander grows fatigued after caring about personal profit. Whew! That's tiring. Where are they gonna find the energy to care about anything else?

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Response to tclambert (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:29 PM

11. "Intelligence is the scarce resource."

 

BINGO.

And compassion, too.

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Response to Triana (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:17 PM

26. That is for damn sure...

...on both counts.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:21 PM

5. THese are the thought patterns...

... of a textbook psychopath. And this evil bag of rat excrement is not the exception in conservatism, he is the rule.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:52 PM

6. Sounds just like Republican icon, Ebeneezer Scrooge discussing surplus population

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:55 PM

7. these are not the humans i was raised around.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:59 PM

9. Nope, sorry. I don't think we've even scratched the surface of how deep their crazy runs.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:00 PM

10. Brought to you by the party of Bengazhi(tm) Death Panels! nt

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:42 PM

12. Reminds me of watching "the Yes Men Save the World"...

In that movie, they attend a conference and claim to have a computer program that would predict the cost/per life if a companies project went wrong so they could plan for it. It was sickening how many of the conference attendees desperately wanted to by the program.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:44 PM

13. I think you missed the point

They aren't fetuses that are dying.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:23 PM

29. George Carlin:

 

"If you're pre-born you're fine. If you're pre-school you're fucked."

Truer words, etc, etc....

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:02 AM

14. Agree- we should most definitely take notice.

Democrats should be talking of this op-ed piece to all their friends. Candidates and those already in office should mention it at every talk.

Every other argument against the Affordable Care Act has crumbled under the facts. It is saving lives and preventing people from going bankrupt just because they got sick.

Now let's strengthen it and move toward free health care. There's enough wealth in this country to provide it for all.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:24 PM

32. WHO ACTUALLY READS

Who actually reads in this country? Perhaps the 40% of Americans who are functional illiterates? Perhaps the seniors who recently voted to increase the minimum wage in numerous states and also voted for Republicans who will do their best to eliminate Social Security? The same seniors who send in petitions to save Social Security, the same seniors who think there is nothing wrong with healthcare in this country because Medicare pays their bills? All of these groups will also vote Republican even though the Republican party stands for nothing but making the top 1/10th of 1% richer no matter what the cost. And please do not accuse me of attacking seniors. I am 64.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:09 AM

15. I suggest that Michael R. Strain should volunteer to participate in the higher mortality rate.

Lead by example, I say!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:10 AM

16. Problematic rational from those that want to end abortions, keep sex ed out of schools, etc....

If they really think there should be less people in the world, then why are they against contraception and abortions? Why aren't they all over teaching sex ed and making sure condoms are given out free everywhere? Why aren't they insisting that businesses provide contraceptives to all their employees? Family planning will do a better job of cutting down the world's over population. And I don't read this as silly. I read it as silly and stupid. Which, to me, is worse.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:18 AM

17. I wouldn't take this as a bet

I doubt Obamacare supporters would argue for a society that spends half or two-thirds of its national income on health care in an attempt to ensure that every person with a treatable disease or injury avoids death."

I don't see a problem spending that much on Healthcare for everyone. It's a much better way to spend our money than on the military.

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Response to Curtis (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:18 PM

27. It's a classroom strawman argument.

War is what consumes the lion's share of the budget, not healthcare. I somehow doubt that he would be up for a smaller military budget.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:21 AM

18. There's your model republican right there

Evil sociopath. People who don't care about killing other people are just not human, they themselves are a scourge on humanity.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:22 AM

19. "Scholar"

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 05:38 AM

21. Noted and duly added to the list of Great American Oxymorons:

"Jumbo Shrimp"
"Military Intelligence"
"Compassionate Conservative"
"AEI Scholar"

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:24 PM

31. "Justice Scalia"

 

and "Justice Thomas" deserve inclusion on that list.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:22 AM

20. We're looking at crazy in the rear-view mirror. (n/t)

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 06:24 AM

22. Funny how they still keep insurance tied to employment. Anyway the crazy has just begun!

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 06:27 AM

23. OK, as long as the rich go first. nt

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:24 PM

30. So, since we have such scarce resources, does that mean they will stop fighting abortion and birth

control, or are they going to keep feeding the future's military forces?

Make up your minds!

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:25 PM

34. See my post #29.

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:24 PM

33. Well, they finally came right out and said it.

That could go 2 ways. It could shock people into action. Or it could open up such talk as acceptable.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:41 PM

35. This is "Master Race" sounding stuff.

 

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:10 PM

36. yes it is...

and many in the United States provided the strong impetus in the early 20th... seems there are some who still cling to the idea...

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796

even Vermont played a role...

In 1925, Henry F. Perkins, professor of zoology at the University of Vermont, organized the Eugenics Survey of Vermont as an adjunct to his Heredity course. Its mission was threefold: eugenics research, public education on their findings, and support for social legislation that would reduce the apparent growing population of Vermont's "social problem group." Most notorious of these reforms was Vermont's 1931 eugenic sterilization law, "A Law for Human Betterment by Voluntary Sterilization."

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:26 PM

38. So now Republicans are in favor of Death Panels.

 

Nice to keep up to date on these things.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:28 PM

39. Wow

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:15 PM

40. Ther scarlet thread...

"Thereís the scarlet thread of murder running through the colourless skein of life, and our duty is to unravel it, and isolate it, and expose every inch of it." (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1887).

Sometimes that scarlet thread pours through the pretty petty pronouncements of political philosophies. We've seen this guise and cloak before, it offers the appearance of analysis while hiding its barbarous nature and intent. Whole nations and peoples have been decimated or completely disappeared through such contrivances.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:17 PM

41. Sadly, crazy, like the universe, is expanding. n/t

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:18 PM

42. Impossible to be a conservative AND a Christian

Conservative values are the exact opposite of Christian values.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:18 PM

43. SURPRISE! Guess what these are evil fucks and this is just a sample of who they are

and the wickedness is the motivation behind every policy agenda which is why I distrust and despise all who would substantially emulate them and suffer no assimilation or meeting halfway. Call me "a purist" till you turn blue in the face because I was never talking about any single policy or vote.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:08 PM

44. Crazy talk.

 

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