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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Seinfeld" explains Deflategate
Looking forward to watching my guys hoist the Lombardi on Sunday.
Don't like it?
Suffer.
Richardo
(38,391 posts)"I don't know how you guys walk around with those things."
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)When she throws George's toupee out the window. You can hear him cracking up out of the shot.
TV gold.
@ 1:30
underpants
(183,227 posts)Mike and Mike's designation for this "story"
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Everyone would be talking about what a great team they are, what a great coach Belichik is, and how Brady is a quarterback for the ages.
Too bad they had to cheat so that all everyone is discussing is this latest sordid little scandal.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Their team is a national laughingstock. I've never seen anything like this in sports.
It's not the fault of the fans, they just root for the team and have no control over the cheating.
If the Pats win, people will yawn and call them cheaters. If they lose, people will say cheaters never proposer.
It's a lose lose for the Pats and their fans.
They brought it on themselves though.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But yes, they have brought this upon themselves.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History and all-around scientific badass, said on Monday that New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick is full of hot air when it comes to Deflategate.
Belichick claimed atmospheric conditions may have caused balls to lose air pressure during his team's AFC Championship win over the Indianapolis Colts on Jan. 18.
But Tyson deflated that theory with a single tweet:
Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) January 26, 2015
Also on Monday, the NFL's official football manufacturer said Belichick's explanation didn't fly.
Thats BS," Wilson representative Jim Jenkins told Boston.com. "Thats BS, man.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/neil-degrasse-tyson-defla_n_6551666.html?utm_hp_ref=sports
former9thward
(32,253 posts)Last I looked he is not God. And the comment by the Wilson representative shows his lack of intelligence but that is all.
Ideal Gas Law:
pV=nRT
where p is pressure, v is volume, n is the number of moles of a gas, R is the Universal Gas constant, and T is temperature.
Remember, what we do to one side of the equation, we have to do to the other side as well. For example, if we increase the pressure (p), then the temperature (T) would have to increase as well. That also means that a change in volume (V) would mean a change in temperature.
We make the following assumptions, based on what we know about the procedure regarding regulation footballs in the NFL and about the Ideal Gas Law:
1) V, the volume of gas (air) in the ball should not change, since (according to procedure), no air is added to or subtracted from the ball after reaching the proper inflation,
2) n will not change for the same reason as above,
3) R does not change, since it is a universal constant.
Now, let's just change the way the equation looks by moving all the letters to one side of the equation:
pV/nRT = 1
From here, we need to think of this as two different times: the pressure, temperature, etc. from when the balls were checked and the pressure, temperature, etc. out on the field. Let's set those to be equal:
p1 V1 / n1 RT1 = p2 V2 / n2 RT2,
where the 1 represents the initial readings and 2 represents the readings on the field. Since the volume will not change (assuming no air is added or taken away from the ball), then V1 = V2, and those can be cancelled. For the same reason, n1 andn 2 can cancel. The R 's cancel, since R
is a constant. We are left with a simple equation:
p1 / T1 = p2 / T2
Now, we can start solving this puzzle quite easily! But before we do, we also have to know the atmospheric pressure during the game, since p in this case is the absolute pressure; the pressure inside the ball plus the pressure of the atmosphere (which exerts a force on the ball as well).
At 6pm, the atmospheric pressure at nearby Norwood Airport was 1009.5 mb (1009.5 hPa or 100950 Pa).
Let's assume that each ball was inflated to the minimum pressure required to meet the NFL rules regarding proper inflation: 12.5 psi. We convert psi (English) to pascals (Metric), which comes out to 86,184.5 Pa and assume a room temperature of 68ºF (20ºC) which converts to 293.15 K (Kelvin, the Metric equivalent). We now have,
(86,184.5 Pa + 100950.0 Pa) / 293.15 K = (p2 + 100950.0 Pa) / T2.
We're down to two variables. But we also know the temperature on the field at the start of the game was reported as 51ºF/10.6ºC (283.15 K). Plug it in...
(86,184.5 Pa + 100950.0 Pa) / 293.15 K = (p2 + 100950.0 Pa) / 283.15 K
Neat! Look, we're left with a solvable equation with one variable, p2, which is the pressure of the air inside the ball at game time! Let's solve this riddle...
Isolate the lone variable:
{ * 283.15 K} - 100950.0 Pa = p2
79,800.9 Pa = p2 ---> 11.8 psi
83,244.6 Pa is 11.8 psi, so, according to these calculations, the balls could have been under-inflated by 0.7 psi on the field, just due to the change in temperature from inside to outside. This makes sense given the very first equation, which shows that a decrease in temperature would force a decrease in pressure, assuming the same volume of air in the football.
If we use an indoor temperature of 80º, we would get a final pressure of 11.0 (10.99) psi.
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/weather/2015/01/20/inflate-gate-weather-roll/22065861/
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)"My calculation used the well-known gas formula that relates pressure to temperature within a fixed volume," Tyson explained on Facebook on Tuesday. "Quite simply, the two quantities are directly and linearly related. e.g. Halve the temperature, you've halved the pressure. Triple the temperature, you've tripled the pressure."
He wrote that his mistake was using absolute pressures instead of gauge pressures. Going by gauge pressures, the balls would need to be inflated with 90-degree air.
"A delightfully moot point since neither temperature absolves the NE Patriots even as we all know that the NE Patriots, in their 45 to 7 victory over the Colts, would have won the game no matter the ball pressure," he wrote. "And, as far as I am concerned, the Patriots would have won that game even in the vacuum of space."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/neil-degrasse-tyson-wrong-deflategate_n_6560340.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
Whiskeytide
(4,466 posts)..... to learn all this stuff to defend my football team!!!!
former9thward
(32,253 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,466 posts)... I hate it when I try to tease someone who is really smart. It just exposes my own ignorance.
back at you!
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)Seattle leads the league in PED suspensions and oh yeah they were also fined for impermissible contact drills in the off season. But that's not cheating, right?
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Suspended Players
IND S Laron Landry (4 games, PEDs)
DEN WR Wes Welker (4 games, PEDs) *Reinstated due to new policy Week 3
CLE WR Josh Gordon (1 year, Substance Abuse Policy)
DEN K Matt Prater (4 games, Substance Abuse Policy, Alcohol)
BAL RB Ray Rice (2 games, Personal Conduct Policy)
KC WR Dwayne Bowe (1 game, Substance Abuse Policy)
JAX WR Ace Sanders (4 games, Substance Abuse Policy)
STL WR Stedman Bailey (4 games, PEDs) *Reinstated due to new policy Week 3
JAX WR Justin Blackmon (indefinite, Substance Abuse Policy, Expected to miss 2014.)
WAS TE Fred Davis (indefinite, Substance Abuse Policy)
IND WR LaVon Brazill (indefinite, Substance Abuse Policy, will miss at least one year)
SF LB Aldon Smith (9 games, Substance Abuce Policy, Personal Conduct Policy)
ARI LB Daryl Washington (indefinite, at least one year, Substance Abuse Policy)
IND LB Robert Mathis (4 games, PEDs)
NE CB Brandon Browner (4 games, Substance Abuse Policy)
PHI LB Jake Knott (4 games, PEDs)
PHI RT Lane Johnson (4 games, PEDs)
CAR DE Frank Alexander (4 games, Substance Abuse Policy)
NYG CB Jayron Hosley (4 games, Substance Abuse Policy)
MIA DE Dion Jordan (4 games, PEDs)
KC OL Rokevious Watkins (4 games, Substance Abuse Policy)
CIN DB Chris Lewis-Harris (2 games, Substance Abuse Policy)
MIA DB Reshad Jones (4 games, PEDs)
BUF LB Nigel Bradham (1 game, Substance Abuse Policy)
DAL CB Orlando Scandrick (4 games, PEDs) *Reinstated due to new policy Week 3
DE Brandon Moore (4 games, Substance Abuse Policy)
WR Marlon Moore (1 game, unspecified)
CB Will Hill (6 games, Substance Abuse Policy, waived by Giants)
Hmm. No Seahawks.