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Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:38 PM Jan 2015

'Privatize' is doublespeak for 'Looting'.



Anytime a politician says they want to 'Privatize' Social Security that is code for looting it and funneling public funds to private interests. We, the people, and those representatives who stand with us need to call them on it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak
Doublespeak is language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words. Doublespeak may take the form of euphemisms (e.g., "downsizing" for layoffs, "servicing the target" for bombing[1]), in which case it is primarily meant to make the truth sound more palatable. It may also refer to intentional ambiguity in language or to actual inversions of meaning (for example, naming a state of war "peace&quot . In such cases, doublespeak disguises the nature of the truth. Doublespeak is most closely associated with political language.[2][3]
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'Privatize' is doublespeak for 'Looting'. (Original Post) Melissa G Jan 2015 OP
Privatization is just the doublespeak name hifiguy Jan 2015 #1
That was certainly Argentina's experience: forest444 Jan 2015 #13
Sounds a lot like the US. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #51
Exactly. Let's hope no Democrat will go along with any kind of attack on SS. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #44
Yes it is. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #2
I call it profitizing... JeffHead Jan 2015 #3
Excellent post. That should be the start of a new thread. If you post it as a new thread, JDPriestly Jan 2015 #52
And usually, so is "reform". n/t Mister Ed Jan 2015 #4
Righto. If you see "reform", "strengthen", "reinvest in" lock up the silver. "Healthy Poverty" is appalachiablue Jan 2015 #22
Privatize is doublespeak for taking a rusty wire brush JEB Jan 2015 #5
I call it Profitize n/t aggiesal Jan 2015 #6
Fits the bill... Blue Owl Jan 2015 #33
Dubya went all out on this and the Public gave a resounding "FU". Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #7
It's the Bush Way. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #39
Its the Neo-Liberal way too. bvar22 Jan 2015 #42
I'm extremely wary of them. I've seen 'em in action. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #47
You can BET they're gonna try to "improve" Social Security under Hillary. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #49
I'm on Social Security, and that is one reason that I will not vote for Hillary. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #53
, blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #8
PIRATIZE. calimary Jan 2015 #9
that's the term i use. unblock Jan 2015 #11
Outstanding language. I will add it to my vocabulary. Thanks. kairos12 Jan 2015 #12
You're welcome! It's because they're nothing but damn greedy PIRATES. calimary Jan 2015 #24
Blammo. hifiguy Jan 2015 #60
senior moment -- what was the term for hiring political supporters, before the civil service act? unblock Jan 2015 #10
nepotism, or cronys? appalachiablue Jan 2015 #21
the word i'm looking for is more specific to political hiring. unblock Jan 2015 #25
found it -- "patronage" unblock Jan 2015 #27
Also broadly called the "spoils system" (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #28
Also, Tammany Hall. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #54
Yep, Tammany Hall which lasted into the 20th c., with 1930s Fiorello LaGuardia & others. Thought appalachiablue Jan 2015 #56
patronage, spoils system, flacks? (leech, parasite) appalachiablue Jan 2015 #29
patronage was what i was thinking of. piratizing gets around the civil service laws unblock Jan 2015 #30
Precisely. Gives what look like jobs to the children and friends JDPriestly Jan 2015 #55
It's also double speak for "zero regulations, accountability, oversight, or ethics." Initech Jan 2015 #14
Privatized prisons is a real racket ErikJ Jan 2015 #15
Ask yourself this question: staggerleem Jan 2015 #40
Of all states, Idaho wised up and booted the private prison crooks out. brewens Jan 2015 #57
ANYTIME you hear that word Scalded Nun Jan 2015 #16
+1 Enthusiast Jan 2015 #38
K&R. It certainly has been so far. Privatizing the military made millions for Cheney and friends. Overseas Jan 2015 #17
You nailed so much, with so few words duhneece Jan 2015 #61
thank you for the kind words. Overseas Jan 2015 #62
FLEECING>>>LOOTING...Make A Dem Talking Point billhicks76 Jan 2015 #18
or profiteering. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #19
As the word 'deregulate'... Gumboot Jan 2015 #20
Yup. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #37
Yeah ... that thing that I did that was illegal ... staggerleem Jan 2015 #41
Tax Reform = More tax cuts for the 1% hibbing Jan 2015 #23
Precisely. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #36
K&R Cleita Jan 2015 #26
EXACTLY!!! demigoddess Jan 2015 #31
And its wayward cousins: fraud, conspiracy and coverups. Baitball Blogger Jan 2015 #32
Yes, yes, a thousand times, YES! FiveGoodMen Jan 2015 #34
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #35
We don't have a democracy, we have an auction. CrispyQ Jan 2015 #43
Some things that should NEVER e "privaized" in a Democracy: bvar22 Jan 2015 #45
No, it's doublespeak for "Finding". KamaAina Jan 2015 #46
Only if you are black - if you're white it's called gathering lame54 Jan 2015 #48
Hear! Hear! stage left Jan 2015 #50
Privatize was the mantra... Oldtimeralso Jan 2015 #58
Until I learned mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2015 #59
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. Privatization is just the doublespeak name
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jan 2015

for a slow-motion version of The Shock Doctrine. Nothing more, nothing less.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
13. That was certainly Argentina's experience:
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jan 2015
An excerpt from tales of woe from 11 years ago, before political gears were reversed and renationalizations began:

Privatizations were part of the formula pushed on developing countries like Argentina by the World Bank and the IMF, which provided technical and financial assistance to that end.

To overcome the debt crisis (mainly the result of dictatorship-era banking deregulation and bad debts), the government obtained special powers and tools from Congress, which enacted new legislation authorizing the sale of state companies and the capitalization of debt as a form of payment. The new debts only deepened the nation's crisis.

The large increases in the rates of public services, added to weak regulatory frameworks and constant renegotiations of concession contracts, brought large profits to the privatized companies.

Between 1993 and 2000, the 200 largest companies in Argentina racked up $28.4 billion in profits, 56.8% of which were earned by privatized companies, and 26.3% by firms that had ties to those companies.

In the 1990s, inflation virtually disappeared in Argentina; but utility fees rose in line with the U.S. inflation rate, constituting an additional source of earnings for the newly privatized companies.

The linking of public services fees charged in Argentina to the U.S. inflation rate "enabled the privatized companies to pocket $9 billion dollars by late 2000," stated a study by ARI.

In addition, "the privatized firms sent 70 percent of their earnings abroad," while failing to pay the annual concession fees and to make all of the investments stipulated by the contracts, the study added.

The companies also imported large quantities of inputs and goods produced by associated firms, contracting heavy debts in dollars while violating the law that required them to give priority to Argentine products when making purchases.

http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0401a/copyright/argentinaprivatization.html

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
3. I call it profitizing...
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jan 2015

Take a public service and inject a PROFIT margin and it's supposed to be cheaper? Just ask people in Chicago how that parking meter deal is going.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
52. Excellent post. That should be the start of a new thread. If you post it as a new thread,
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jan 2015

send me a private message on my DU mail and I will recommend it. Thanks.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
22. Righto. If you see "reform", "strengthen", "reinvest in" lock up the silver. "Healthy Poverty" is
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jan 2015

another oxymoron straight out of the RW stink tank playbook. It's a new one; there's a DU thread on it now.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
42. Its the Neo-Liberal way too.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jan 2015

Bill Clinton supported "Private Accounts" for Social Security.

Be wary of elephants in Donkey Costumes.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
53. I'm on Social Security, and that is one reason that I will not vote for Hillary.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jan 2015

I do not trust her to take care of the Social Security Trust Fund or America's senior citizens.

What goes on in our nursing homes is scandalous enough.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
24. You're welcome! It's because they're nothing but damn greedy PIRATES.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:45 AM
Jan 2015

They're fucking PIRATES. That's all it is, and that's all they are. This "Privatize" bullshit sloganeering is just that. Something that sounds good, but sucks.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
60. Blammo.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jan 2015

You hit it in one. And the Wall $treet Pirate$ have never seen a program they don't want to loot.

unblock

(52,234 posts)
10. senior moment -- what was the term for hiring political supporters, before the civil service act?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jan 2015

anyway, this is a workaround. if you can't fire civil servants and give your friends nice government jobs, you can simply outsource to your favorite ceo's business.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
56. Yep, Tammany Hall which lasted into the 20th c., with 1930s Fiorello LaGuardia & others. Thought
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jan 2015

it was just the mid-1900s era until reading more about it.

unblock

(52,234 posts)
30. patronage was what i was thinking of. piratizing gets around the civil service laws
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jan 2015

you can't fire civil servants and give their jobs to political supporters, but you can give no-bid contracts to them....

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
55. Precisely. Gives what look like jobs to the children and friends
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jan 2015

of those close to the top oligarchs. Keeps the good ol boys system going.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
14. It's also double speak for "zero regulations, accountability, oversight, or ethics."
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jan 2015

Because the companies that believe in privitization also get away with treating their customers like shit.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
15. Privatized prisons is a real racket
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jan 2015

They need a quota of prisoners to make a return on investment so minor drug arrests go up with longer sentences. Even the judges are cronies of it.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
40. Ask yourself this question:
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jan 2015

"What motivation does a for-profit prison have to rehabilitate their prisoners, so they won't just be jailed again once they are released?"

The obvious answer is: NONE! in fact, recidivism (which government-run prisons seek to avoid) actually HELPS a private prison's bottom line. Prisons-for-profit essentially mean that the state has completely given up on any possibility that any person who violates any law can ever be rehabilitated, and that the prison system is simply about keeping the "bad apples" separated from the "good citizens" - FOREVER!

brewens

(13,588 posts)
57. Of all states, Idaho wised up and booted the private prison crooks out.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jan 2015

Corrections Corporation of America or whatever they are called. The got caught violating their contract, short staffing to maximize profit among other things.

We may just now be in the process of taking control of the prisons back but the privatization thing has clearly failed. You'd think it the half-wits in this state could figure it out, more may come around.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
16. ANYTIME you hear that word
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:44 PM
Jan 2015

check the back door. I guarantee you there is someone (another pol or a friend of one) waiting there with a wheelbarrow just waiting to fill it full of taxpayers (our) money.

These people have no conscience, no morals and no soul.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
17. K&R. It certainly has been so far. Privatizing the military made millions for Cheney and friends.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jan 2015

We got better services when military was in-house. Let's not forget the moldy food served by KBR and electrocuting troops in their showers due to faulty wiring. And moms having bake sales to buy armor for their kids in the service because our privatized contractors couldn't supply enough.

Privatizing our prison system has brought with it lobbyists pushing for tougher laws to bring in more business.

Privatizing our healthcare made it really expensive. At least the ACA is holding down costs now.

Privatization was sold to the public as a way to make things less expensive and supposedly less corrupt and has brought the opposite results.

I hope we can de-privatize all those things and more.

duhneece

(4,113 posts)
61. You nailed so much, with so few words
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jan 2015

Thank you...except I'm envious of your ability to express with such brevity.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
18. FLEECING>>>LOOTING...Make A Dem Talking Point
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jan 2015

Pur side needs to grow some courage and be called on selling out to corporations.

Gumboot

(531 posts)
20. As the word 'deregulate'...
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jan 2015

... always means 'decriminalize'...

Don't wanna go to jail? Just change the rules.

Many thanks to Greg Palast for that one.



 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
41. Yeah ... that thing that I did that was illegal ...
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 03:27 PM
Jan 2015

howzabout you make it legal - retroactively - and I'll make a REAL nice contribution to your campaign fund.

Is there ANYBODY out there who thinks the above was never spoken to a lawmaker - or doubts that it's been done in the past?

CrispyQ

(36,469 posts)
43. We don't have a democracy, we have an auction.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jan 2015

Privatized profits, socialized risk. It is a perversion of the
free market that they claim we have.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
45. Some things that should NEVER e "privaized" in a Democracy:
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jan 2015

*Retirement (Social Security)

*Prisons

*Armed "contractors" (Mercenaries) in War Zones (or anywhere else)

*Schools

*Voting and vote tabulation machines

*Armed Police

*Hospitals and other Health Services

(feel free to add your own)

The privatization of ANY of the above should raise screaming red flags to Americans.

stage left

(2,962 posts)
50. Hear! Hear!
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jan 2015

You also have to watch them when they say they're going to protect something. It usually means they're going to do their damnedest to destroy it.

Oldtimeralso

(1,937 posts)
58. Privatize was the mantra...
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jan 2015

for the Indiana Toll Road and the Chicago Skyway Bridge. The corporation that bought the rights is now bankrupt and the charges to the public for use of property that their tax and bond money built is skyrocketing.

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