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Wed Jan 28, 2015, 03:58 PM

 

Michelle Obama Gives Zero Fucks About What the Saudis Wanted Her To Wear



On Tuesday, President Obama and the First Lady attended the funeral of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, a renowned misogynistic tyrant who oversaw some of the harshest and most oppressive conditions endured by women anywhere in the world. These conditions included and still include bans on voting and driving. When going out in public, women must be accompanied by a male relative and are expected to cover their heads and faces because modesty or whatever. Abdullah also kept three of his daughters locked up for more than a decade for speaking out for women’s rights. (They remain so.)

According to some very upset people in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere, Michelle Obama was supposed to cover her head while visiting the country. To vent their outrage, they took to Saudi Twitter and used hashtags that translate to #Michelle_Obama_Immodest and #Michelle_Obama_Not_Veiled. (Apparently, Saudi Twitter is just as capable of fruitless outrage as U.S. Twitter is.)

Well, Michelle Obama gave zero, and let’s count ‘em — zero, zero, zero — fucks about what the Saudis wanted her to wear on her head. Not only that, instead of wearing black at the funeral, she wore a blue blouse and a festive-looking blue-sweater jacket of sorts that could double as a spring getup for a leisurely stroll through the National Arboretum before a boozy brunch. So while her husband is obliged to say nice things about Abdullah and be respectful because of geopolitics, Michelle is under no such obligation. Hence, the giving of zero fucks.

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/01/so-few-fcks-so-little-time/

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Reply Michelle Obama Gives Zero Fucks About What the Saudis Wanted Her To Wear (Original post)
trumad Jan 2015 OP
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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:03 PM

1. I like Michelle alot, and I'm glad she gives no fucks.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:11 PM

4. !

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:20 PM

5. I am so stealing that. nt

 

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Response to B2G (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:52 PM

17. Me too

Awesome!

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:29 PM

8. Love that! n/t

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Response to Exhibit A (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:33 PM

10. !!!

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Response to Exhibit A (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:50 PM

15. Welcome to DU, Exhibit A!

Glad you're here! Isn't that GREAT? I think a bunch of us are probably gonna steal it! I actually do give a fuck about it. I am insulted and outraged that they'd snub her like that. I take it as a personal affront. If they could do that to her, they'd certainly do that to me if I ever was over there. She's not bound by their rules and conventions and belief systems. And they should just shut up and be gracious. She's married to our President for Heaven's sake! Show some respect!

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Response to calimary (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 01:57 AM

57. Thanks, calimary!

Totally agree with you about the First Lady.

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Response to Exhibit A (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 01:42 AM

56. Hello

 

Welcome to DU!

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 01:57 AM

58. Thanks, bigwillq! n/t

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:41 PM

11. LOL

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:47 PM

14. LOL, very nice! nt

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:51 PM

16. +1

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:05 PM

21. That should be an OP on its own re Mrs. Obama's bare head.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:46 AM

59. Excellent.. that could go for so many things in our own lives, too.. Mahalo Sheldon.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:06 PM

2. Good for her

 

I'll see her fuck and raise her, well...none.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:09 PM

3. Precisely the number of fucks called for. Good on her!

Most influential First Lady in my lifetime.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:21 PM

6. Huzzah for her

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:47 AM

60. First Lady Michelle Obama/AKA/MNFTG.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:28 PM

7. My father's reaction

My elderly father, who is a Faux News addict and just about the worst right-wing extremist I think I've ever met, even told me this afternoon that he was impressed with her for this. I pointed out that she was also setting a good example for her daughters by refusing to go along with such expectations.

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Response to Exhibit A (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:53 PM

18. She's got class galore.

She reminds me of Jackie Kennedy. Elegance, grace, style, class. Brilliant, compassionate, loving and kind. A true role model for all women regardless of skin color.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:30 PM

9. I agree K & R nt

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:45 PM

12. badass with out saying a word

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:46 PM

13. You GO Girl!!!!!

 

love it.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:00 PM

19. Same number as I.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:01 PM

20. She's an American, so she thinks she equal to anyone

including a Saudi King. Imagine that.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:14 PM

23. He's not her King. So he can go fuck himself.

 

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:12 PM

22. This headline is baloney,

as well as highly offensive imo.

Michelle and Potus surely do care about the cultural norms of the countries with whom the US engages on the world stage, and Laura Bush similarly visited Saudi Arabia without covering her head. I don't know about this 'banter' group, but I wouldn't quote them when trying to make the point and discuss this issue.

This from Greta, about Laura: http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/twitter/note-to-everyone-first-lady-michelle-obama-is-not-the-only-one-first-lady-laura-bush-did-the-same-thing-in-2007-look-at-pic-and-click-to-read/

and a pic of Laura Bush:

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Response to elleng (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:16 PM

24. The DIAZEPAM was very strong that day.

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:17 PM

25. I guess so,

but DUers really shouldn't fall for it, surely not in such numbers.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:20 PM

28. That's a Xanax smile. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:23 PM

29. Very similar to a DIAZEPAM smile.

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:24 PM

30. Diazepam would be more relaxed. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:55 PM

46. You can tell she is/isn't relaxed?

 

You're a better man than I gunga din

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Response to elleng (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:29 PM

32. Did someone important just die when Mrs. Bush had tea in whatever place she was in?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:43 AM

66. you mean headscarfs are a must for western women when someone has died, but not at other

 

times?

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Response to elleng (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:41 AM

65. thank you.

 

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #65)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 01:16 PM

77. You're welcome.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:19 PM

26. K&R!

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:20 PM

27. hmm, the king might take this as an invitation to go donald ducking when out-of-country

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:29 PM

31. 100% thanks to Michelle Obama for showing Saudi men what a real woman looks like.

Beautiful. Love the dress. The color is just magnificent on Michelle Obama.. Royal blue. She is the real royalty in that picture. Royal in her soul. Thanks again, Mrs. Obama.

Fox News? Aren't those the guys that hyperventilate over sharia law?

And now they criticize Michelle Obama for not following it?

Makes no sense.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:33 PM

33. First Lady was NOT required to wear a headscarf. That's the misconception.

She is not Saudi & the only time she may respectfully wear one is upon entering a Mosque.
She did however, wear loose clothing out of respect for Saudi law & did not reach out to engage in handshake nor nod upon greeting the King's entourage.
The First Lady only responded to such gestures when she was approached first.

That is the protocol for female foreign dignitaries.

You really think Michele Obama would take on such a visit without being coached or wanting t know the proper protocol?
Maybe in a teabilly world, but the First Lady is much smarter than to just show up without doing her homework on protocol.

She could have indeed chosen to wear a headscarf, but it was never a proper requirement.

Such bulls*it to be criticized on.
The headscarf issue is irrelevant except to Faux News.

Thanks

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:34 PM

38. right on.

I can not believe the stupidity of that article..
And what a wasted OP.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:46 PM

41. It's like people think the Saudis never encounter a woman not in a headscarf.

It's actually quite embarrassing to read such foolishness. I know women that have traveled there on business and didn't wear a scarf. Other foreign female leaders have been there without the scarf. Michelle Obama isn't the first female the Saudi royals have met that wasn't wearing a scarf. This is such a non issue. Michelle Obama did nothing out of the ordinary for a non-Saudi non-Muslim.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:55 AM

54. I don't understand the fuss or focus. She behaved appropriately and set a fine example, as always.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:47 AM

68. and plenty of other western female dignitaries have done the same.

 

this thread reminds of when the heroine in "Titanic" gave some stuffed shirt the finger. The audience cheered and I cringed. Like some upper-class woman at the turn of the century would ever do such a thing.

How insulting to the first lady to say she 'gives no fucks' like she's in some Hollywood film, flipping off the Saudis.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:34 PM

34. Hmm, Mrs. Bush outfit in Saudi Arabia

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:11 PM

35. Trumad, did you see the NBC Nightly News report on the Obama's visit?

While I'm not exactly certain that Ms. Obama doesn't really give a fuck, I do know that as I watched that particular report and saw the Saudi delegation pass her by, one after the other, ignoring her very presence in that receiving line and refusing to shake her hand, my own thoughts ranged from, "What the FUCK!" to "Fucking assholes!":

President Obama Meets With Saudi Arabia's New King Salman
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/president-obama-meets-saudi-arabias-new-king-salman-n294911

I think that we all should give a fuck when so many of the representatives from one of our key allies on the World stage persist in viewing women as less than human.

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Response to countryjake (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:32 PM

37. Men do not touch women that they are not related to in Arab countries.

I have been in most of them and that is the culture in all of them.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:39 PM

39. There are apparently many here

that have no problem in judging and condemning another culture.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:41 PM

40. Yes, travel and learn.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:49 PM

45. I certainly condemn the culture enforced by the Saudi royal family

New York – Human rights in Saudi Arabia, birthplace and heartland of Islam, are based on Islamic law, or the Sharia, under the rule of the Saudi Royal Family. It has been widely accepted that the application of these rights, more specifically women’s rights, is emblematic of Islamic dogma. It must be underlined, however, that the highly contentious theocratic ideology of Wahhabism, the monarchy’s official interpretation of Islam, plays an instrumental role in the formulation of many of these rights. It, therefore, follows that a substantial number of women’s civic rights in Saudi Arabia, or lack thereof, are only validated by the opinions of a chauvinistic male-dominated Wahhabi society, devoid of any coherent Islamic rationale.

Despite the growing attractiveness of this Wahhabi discourse, it is important to recognize that is does not represent the entire gamut of intellectual space in the Muslim world. In effect, although the inferior status of women is a fairly consistent theme in many Muslim countries, its correlation with Islam, though not arbitrary, is not absolute.

There exists endless controversy in both Islamic and Western literature over the Muslim position on women. In their war against Islamic law, women’s rights organizations expose abuses committed by the Saudi regime against women; inherent in their message, therefore, is that Islam is incompatible with the human rights of women.

To terminate this debate, it is crucial to discount all stereotypes attributed to Muslim women and to understand the actual teachings of this faith, and second, understand the Wahhabi interpretation of Islam. This comparative analysis reveals that an examination of women’s rights as outlined in the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet, highlights Islam’s highly revered notion of egalitarianism. Wahhabi regulations for women, on the other hand, are only traced back to the legal codes based on fiqh texts selected and interpreted by a modern patriarchal order.

http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2013/04/87234/womens-rights-in-saudi-arabia-wahhabism-vs-islam/

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:58 PM

47. Um...that culture CONDEMNS MY ENTIRE GENDER




Hate to yell, but you seem to be missing that part. Do we do what's best for half the population of the planet, or what's best to make nice with those who oppress the other half of their own population?

It's really not that difficult.



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Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:53 AM

70. Oh for god's sake. That statement is as stupid as the assumptions made in the OP. The Obamas

 

followed standard diplomatic protocol, as do all presidents and their families.

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Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:01 AM

73. go back to free republic

 

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Response to countryjake (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:49 AM

69. I think we should all quit making ignorant assumptions about what other people's behavior

 

means.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:29 PM

36. A total non story.

The Saudi leadership does not care what Western women wear, especially those in leadership positions. Condoleezza Rice was with Obama and she did not wear a head scarf either. Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton did not wear them either in earlier visits. Twitter messages have the same non-meaning in Saudi Arabia as they do in this country.

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Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:47 PM

43. Actually

her clothes are quite modest and her arms are covered.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:48 PM

44. and her legs too

This is a very modest outfit for Michelle.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:14 PM

48. Nothing new







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Response to trumad (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:24 PM

49. What about the men? They wear the head towels and don't expect Western men to wear them.

 

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:39 AM

50. "head towels"???

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Response to Saphire (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:50 AM

75. Whatever you call them...don't know the correct term. Long,with the headbands. The men cover their

 

heads too, but don't expect or criticize Western men for being head covering free. That the focus is only on women going bare headed and is another form of sexism the West buys into ... suddenly ... about our black First Lady...no others. Many Western political women have "failed" the Burka Test.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:44 AM

51. The day I give a fuck about the royal family

will be the day oil is obsolete and those royal terrorist fade into poverty.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:50 AM

52. Her clothing is perfectly appropriate and sufficiently "Islamic" for a non-Muslim woman.

Notice that she is wearing a high neck and long sleeves, also, her blouse and overblouse are loosely cut, not form-fitting. She is wearing trousers that are not tight and cover all the key bits. The overblouse covers the posterior, which is 'just the ticket' when it comes to "appropriate" attire.

She is showing respect for the culture but she's not being subjugated by it.

Good for her.

Some people know how to walk the fine line--she's one of 'em.

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Response to MADem (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:52 AM

53. Yes, thanks.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 01:13 AM

55. The Saudi culture is not worthy of respect

It is sexist, homophobic and anti-Semitic.

So fuck them.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:55 AM

71. Go back to free republic.

 

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:40 AM

64. She's not the first western female dignitary not to wear a headscarf while visiting the saudis

 

It's not like she's taking some brave original stand.



1 American officials in Saudi Arabia typically do not wear headscarves, including at formal government functions. Michelle was following normal protocol.

2 Former first ladies Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton did not wear headscarves on similar official visits to Saudi Arabia. Neither did former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

3 Saudi Arabia is officially ultra-conservative, but it is also heavily integrated into the global economy; unveiled Western women are extremely common in elite government circles like this one. Unveiled female Western leaders are common sights on Saudi media.

4 I feel very confident that no one at the funeral blinked at seeing Michelle Obama unveiled. Saudi royals are comfortable with the West and with Western customs; many spend long parts of the year in Europe and a number were educated in American boarding schools or colleges. They are accustomed to seeing unveiled women, and to working and interacting with powerful women...

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/28/7928167/michelle-obama-saudi-arabia-headscarf

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:11 AM

74. PHOTOS: Female Leaders Besides Michelle Obama Who Didn’t Wear A Headscarf In Saudi Arabia

 

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/28/3616556/saudi-arabia-michelle-obama/

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) praised Michelle Obama on Twitter for “standing up for women” by not wearing what he called, a “Sharia-mandated head-scarf in Saudi Arabia.” But, as The Hill pointed out, the AP article he linked to in his tweet clearly stated that the headscarf is not a requirement for foreign women visiting the country.

There were also reports that the “first lady shocked some in the ultra-conservative country” by shaking hands with the newly-anointed King of Saudi Arabia.

It’s really not that shocking. Several female heads of state and U.S. secretaries of state have grasped kingly Saudi fingers.

To boot, here’s Condoleeza Rice shaking hands with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal, a crown prince, back in 2008.

While there were some 1,500 tweets using a hashtag that translates as #Michelle_Obama_unveiled, that’s far from a “backlash” in a country with 2.4 million Twitter users.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 12:06 PM

76. According to Lawrence O'Donnell last night, female visitors are asked to dress modestly and head

covering is optional for visitors. She is dressed modestly and exercised the official option in favor of omitting the head dress.

The critics, Saudi and USian, need to sit down and shut up.

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Response to merrily (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:32 PM

78. Saw that and I agree completely!

What is so immodest about hair, anyway??

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:54 PM

79. I think if her husband were running again she would have complied but I love her!

The Saudis have hated women since the beginning of time, she doesn't have to live by their rules... Of course the Republicans like those rules....go figure.

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Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:03 PM

80. I can throw around "F" bombs with the best of them, but I find

the title of this OP particularly distasteful in implying that our First Lady is thumbing her nose at the traditions of another country when there is absolutely zero evidence to support such a claim. Besides the many points that have already been made about her attire and comportment, it should be noted that she respected local tradition by walking a step behind the president from the airplane, and did not offer her hand to a man in the greeting line unless he offered his first.
Thankfully the First Lady exhibits a lot more class than the writer of this OP offers.

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