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Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:36 AM

 

DU used to be a board where one could call out ignorant opinons.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Violet_Crumble (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Now it has become a place where juries no longer take into context the OP when the OP poster says something absolutely crazy and some one calls them out about it.

DU has become a place where you can post almost any idiocy as an OP and when people call one out about it their posts are hidden as being not very polite or nice.

That is just wrong.

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Reply DU used to be a board where one could call out ignorant opinons. (Original post)
dballance Jan 2015 OP
Sherman A1 Jan 2015 #1
1000words Jan 2015 #3
Sherman A1 Jan 2015 #5
Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #2
JonLP24 Jan 2015 #6
JI7 Jan 2015 #8
Iris Jan 2015 #13
A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #11
Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #15
A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #16
Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #18
A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #21
freshwest Jan 2015 #23
HappyMe Jan 2015 #27
Cleita Jan 2015 #4
Suich Jan 2015 #7
Cleita Jan 2015 #9
Suich Jan 2015 #12
Angleae Jan 2015 #10
cwydro Jan 2015 #26
merrily Jan 2015 #29
marble falls Jan 2015 #30
JDPriestly Jan 2015 #14
AverageJoe90 Jan 2015 #17
A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #19
AverageJoe90 Jan 2015 #20
obxhead Jan 2015 #22
marble falls Jan 2015 #25
marble falls Jan 2015 #24
Exhibit A Jan 2015 #28
Jamastiene Jan 2015 #31
Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #32

Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:52 AM

1. ......

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Response to 1000words (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:16 AM

5. I think you are right

I will grab some more during the next intermission.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:01 AM

2. Is this in reference to...

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:17 AM

6. I know I've written posts far worse than that, grammar wise

Sometimes I get sleepy and forget to type words. Type an I when I mean another word. On that point, I'm going to sleep.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:37 AM

8. i thought it would be something like the people who thought defending slavery

was worth discussing and the person called them out on that and got a hide for that.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:52 AM

13. me, too

Jeez

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:42 AM

11. Meanness

is its own reward.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:07 AM

15. I am assuming it is that one as he already made a post about the other one.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:13 AM

16. I don't understand questioning hides on posts

that have hide written all over them. The only post I've had hidden on DU3 I knew damn well was going to be hidden as I was composing it.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:28 AM

18. I had one hidden by an anti-Semitic troll banned 6 hours later.

It was based on a riff, and it was snarky, but...whatever. There are always some posts hidden that confound me, and others that get a pass that equally confound me. Oh, BTW (given his personal attack on you, I thought you'd like to know) : http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=320086&sub=trans

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:38 AM

21. Yeah, the writing was on the wall for that one.

Stephen Obvious.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:23 AM

23. America-Firster? The pre-WW2 group that... OFFS!

David Duke must be bored. Or maybe part of the brigade thatTim Wise calls the Broken Clocks...


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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:05 AM

27. That's just plain mean.

I would say that's a good hide.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:13 AM

4. Something I find wrong with the juries is that you will be called

more frequently if you are a star member. This immediately puts the decisions with the upper 50% who pay. Some of our most just DUers do live on a limited income and can't pay so their opinion is reduced.

Just saying.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:28 AM

7. You've been on DU a lot longer than I have, Cleita.

Why do you say star members are on juries more frequently? I always thought it was a totally random pick among all DU members.

Thanks!



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Response to Suich (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:37 AM

9. No it isn't. Look at the jury rules on your profile.

Star member gets 20 points.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:46 AM

12. Dang! I had no idea.

That kinda stinks, imo.

But then, I'm not the boss.

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Response to Suich (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:38 AM

10. Nope, there's a formula for it.

Including total posts, how many posts in the last 90 days, posts hidden in the last 90 days, and star membership.

You can see your breakdown in your profile page.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:02 AM

26. I'm a star member

and I paid very little for that.

I'm not on a lot of juries either lol.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:16 AM

29. If you have not done so, you might try raising that in the admin forum or via pm to Skinner.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:16 AM

30. I pay twenty bucks a year from a retiree on SS for most of my income for my star. DU would....

give me the star for less. I pay what I can afford. And its worth it to not have to read the crap that could be posted here without MIRT and the juries. Its not a fee, its a free will offering.

And to be honest I don't think I'm being called to any more juries than I was on DU2 before I was contributing.

Juries may be a little more likely to cut a post and I think I see a lot more 6-1 and 7-0 than 4-3 than I used to.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:04 AM

14. Try calling out the OP in a tactful way. Also, you can report an OP if it is absolutely crazy.

There is, as far as I know no penalty for reporting a post that is not found by the jury to necessitate removal.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:15 AM

17. Unfortunately, having been a victim of some of this kinda stuff myself, I'll have to agree.

 

Things did really start changing about a year and a half ago, and not for the better. And anyone around here who knows what I and some others have had to put up with, can probably guess as to what I'm referring to.

But, on the other hand, it does seem like this place has calmed down a bit since I've been gone, at least at first glance.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:30 AM

19. Hard to Love a Gangsta!

Welcome back, TBHJoe! Missed ya big!

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:36 AM

20. Sure, sure.

 

In any case, I'll try to stay out of the meta stuff as much as possible from this point forward. It'll probably be better for my DU experiences.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:57 AM

22. I miss the unrec button and the time when meta discussions were not allowed.

 

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Response to obxhead (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:01 AM

25. I think an unrec button might be a good thing if the recs would reflect a correction if the ....

unrec voter was removed.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:58 AM

24. The altrenative is not going to be pleasant for most people. Think Discussionist without juries.....

I thought the way you did until I did a term on MIRT. After seeing the HUGE amount of dismal stuff that could have been posted here, I think the system is at least 80-90% effective. There are some things juried or removed I think are OK, but there's also some that aren't cut that I feel should have been. It certainly has made me consider how I form my responses when I disagree with someone.

The trouble with merely calling out things is that there are too many that take being called out as an invitation to spew flame and to troll fights and derail the conversation for those of us here to learn and teach. If I wanted a "robust" free for all under what starts out as free speech that turns into digital diarrhea I wouldn't be here. If some code of civility is enforced to promote free speech, I can live with it if only because I feel free for alls aren't necessarily free speech particularly when its all about anti-Semitism, racism, misogyny, Islamophobia, and purely personal invective, meant to disrupt and insult.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:21 AM

31. I remember when the group of people I belong to would try to educate the ignorant

jerks of DU, we'd get TSed...or at least a mod would delete our post. I got a nasty warning on one deleted post in the entire history of DU2.

But, it was worth a try to educate some of the ignorant bullshit people said. Now, they say it a lot, BUT we are able to call them out on it more often than we used to.

On other issues, yeah, we could speak out, but when it came to transphobia and homophobia back then, we got extremely disciplined by the mods. They hated us. They even locked a silent thread for Stonewall. A silent fucking thread? Really? FFS, I'm glad to be rid of the mods, but I have to admit, I miss Meta. Yeah, some of the worst stuff was said in there, but we could duke it out with each other and not have referees favoring one side, usually the non-GLBT side.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:25 AM

32. Locking...

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

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