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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:51 PM Jan 2015

Sanders: Hillary 'PROBABLY NOT' Bold Enough For 2016





I'm guessing he wasn't real pleased at reading with his morning coffee that Hillary Clinton sees no real competition in the Democratic primary:


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a potential candidate for president, on Thursday expressed little faith that Hillary Clinton would be an acceptable standard-bearer in the 2016 presidential election.

"Based on her history, do I think she is going to be as bold as needs to be in addressing the major crises that we face? Probably not. I may be surprised," Sanders said in an interview with The Washington Post.

Sanders, a self-described "socialist," is considering running for president as either Democrat or an independent. Asked repeatedly about Clinton's record, he mostly declined to weigh in on specifics.

"I have no assessment," he said.

But it was clear that Sanders is not convinced Clinton, the presumed Democratic frontrunner for president, has made a forceful enough argument about how to combat income inequality, a central focus of the Vermont senator.

"Not much," responded Sanders when asked about what he has heard from Clinton on income inequality and related issues.

Pro-Clinton group Correct the Record pushed back on the former secretary of state's economic record. “Hillary Clinton has fought all her life to ensure that all Americans have the opportunity to succeed – championing equal pay for equal work, advocating for middle-class tax cuts, and pushing for a raise in the minimum wage," said spokesperson Adrienne Watson.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/01/29/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-probably-not-bold-enough-for-2016/



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/01/sanders-hillary-probably-not-bold-enough
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Sanders: Hillary 'PROBABLY NOT' Bold Enough For 2016 (Original Post) Segami Jan 2015 OP
Run Bernie run! Please! nt benz380 Jan 2015 #1
My theory of her waiting until July to jump in the race: AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #2
how does it prevent voters from getting to know others ? JI7 Jan 2015 #3
Without anyone declaring candidacy, no debates will be scheduled. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #4
I wasn't expecting any debates until next year, in any case. n/t winter is coming Jan 2015 #6
First Dem debate was on 4/26/07 in So. Carolina. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #8
I'd forgotten that. No wonder the '08 primaries seemed to go on forever. winter is coming Jan 2015 #9
I agree. If Bernie (or a yet-unknown) declared, you'd see her "message" Buns_of_Fire Jan 2015 #13
But they can have debates without her JI7 Jan 2015 #15
Anyone could declare their candidacy... Agschmid Jan 2015 #21
Nope. Agschmid Jan 2015 #20
Yea, yea, yea Bernie, we see by your record how bold you have been also. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #5
I read on DU that Hillary can't win the general election. Oh, but this guy can? Some of you are Metric System Jan 2015 #7
You may think us delusional but some of US are tired of voting for the lesser of the two evils... Caffeine Free Jan 2015 #10
Evils comes in different forms, Bernie sure falls through the cracks. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #18
I don't think Bernie can beat Hillary. PAProgressive28 Jan 2015 #11
+1. winter is coming Jan 2015 #14
Have you considered that there's a reason we get so many "angry old man" photos of him? winter is coming Jan 2015 #12
BWAHAHA hootinholler Jan 2015 #22
She won't be. At least not bold in the ways the people need. Autumn Jan 2015 #16
She'll as "bold" as Goldman Sachs tells her to be. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #17
Hate to admit it, but Hillary looks like a Spring Chicken next to Bernie when she's "done up". libdem4life Jan 2015 #19
 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
2. My theory of her waiting until July to jump in the race:
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jan 2015

The protracted Democratic primary in 2008 allowed voters to get to know Barack Obama after which he prevailed. IMO this planned late announcement is at least partially to prevent voters from becoming familiar with another Democratic candidate that is less well-known nationally, specifically Bernie or Elizabeth Warren, with Clinton expecting to win largely on name recognition and a giant pile of cash.

Run.Bernie.Run.
Run.Elizabeth.Run

JI7

(89,264 posts)
3. how does it prevent voters from getting to know others ?
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jan 2015

Wouldn't her not getting in the race mean they have more chance to get to know others ?

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
4. Without anyone declaring candidacy, no debates will be scheduled.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jan 2015

People are pretty much waiting for her to poo or get off the pot. Til then, not much will happen.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
9. I'd forgotten that. No wonder the '08 primaries seemed to go on forever.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jan 2015

I suspect that if Bernie or someone else announced their candidacy, or contrived a way to hold a non-debate debate (exploring/discussing issues without calling it a candidates' debate), Hillary would change her mind about postponing her announcement.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,195 posts)
13. I agree. If Bernie (or a yet-unknown) declared, you'd see her "message"
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jan 2015

get refined and polished and made-ready-for-public-consumption REAL quick -- especially if the other person's message started giving them some traction in the polls at her expense. Good ol' hardball politics.

Right now, she's playing a waiting game, starving 'em out, stashing away what she can in the war chest, collecting future endorsements, and patiently awaiting her coronation. Frustrating for us, but I think probably a smart move from her point of view -- so long as she doesn't wait TOO long (it could backfire as easily as it could help).

I can see why she's waiting, though -- the first person out of the foxhole is going to immediately inherit a huge target on their back, and everyone knows it.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
20. Nope.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jan 2015

Anyone could announce now... And we could get to "know them" but they haven't. That reason doesn't make sense.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. Yea, yea, yea Bernie, we see by your record how bold you have been also.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jan 2015

Since her record on helping those disadvantaged and it goes further back than Bill getting elected as president. Poor attempt in trying to rewrite her record.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
7. I read on DU that Hillary can't win the general election. Oh, but this guy can? Some of you are
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jan 2015

DELUSIONAL. I understand Elizabeth Warren, but Bernie Sanders? Any time I see a picture of him he's pointing his finger, his hair is out place and he looks angry. Like it or not, optics matter. I know I'm sounding shallow focusing on appearance, but I'm convinced the electorate reacts to these things more than policy. And the optics here ain't good. I think some of you want an electoral wipe-out for the Dems. Maybe some 80s nostalgia?

 

Caffeine Free

(17 posts)
10. You may think us delusional but some of US are tired of voting for the lesser of the two evils...
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jan 2015

We want a real choice this time....

PAProgressive28

(270 posts)
11. I don't think Bernie can beat Hillary.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jan 2015

I don't think many do. I will however be supporting him because he best represents my views on politics and our country.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
14. +1.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jan 2015

Hillary would have to make a major blunder, or a series of smaller ones, which is possible but not certain.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
12. Have you considered that there's a reason we get so many "angry old man" photos of him?
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jan 2015

It's an attempt to marginalize the things he's talking about.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
19. Hate to admit it, but Hillary looks like a Spring Chicken next to Bernie when she's "done up".
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jan 2015

He's 73 years old. I agree with most of his ideas, but he hasn't a chance to even pull the party a bit to the Left hemming and hawing over which party he'll represent. Most think of him as a Radical Socialist and right now we're just trying to get a bit Left of Center.

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